"Career public servants": THE PARTY IS OVER

[CrazyTrader55]

Office space can be vacated, money saved. People spend less money on gas, money saved. Less money spent on eating out, money saved. Seems like a no brainer for those jobs that can be done from home. Heck, my son just turned 55 and is retired. He works as many hours as he wishes from his house as he was recruited to do so. HE set the working conditions and pay. He is naking upwards of $75 per hour remotely for spending money. If there's ever any issue he will simply quit within the hour. Win win

I would have zero problem with a hybrid situation. 2-3 days in office. But 5 days at home, on the taxpayer's dime? Nope, the party has ended.

 

[Orangecat]

I’ve gone through life factoring in the incompetence and laziness of government employees in any interactions with the government. It was a nice cheat code while it lasted.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I would have zero problem with a hybrid situation. 2-3 days in office. But 5 days at home, on the taxpayer's dime? Nope, the party has ended.

Why? What if a worker gets more done per day by working from home? Why would you not leverage that?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I’ve gone through life factoring in the incompetence and laziness of government employees in any interactions with the government. It was a nice cheat code while it lasted.

anecdotal bullshit.

 

[initforme]

I’ve gone through life factoring in the incompetence and laziness of government employees in any interactions with the government. It was a nice cheat code while it lasted.

I've spent alot of time in corporate America. By far the most incompetent higher ups I've ever seen. Glad I was able to quit with basically no notice.

 

[Independent thinker]

We're not discussing the pandemic, you keep bringing this up. It's like saying wearing T-shirts a bad idea because we wore them once during a storm and got soaked and caught a cold, its stupid so stop it.

The only reason anyone can make the sweeping claim that working from home is always a bad idea, is someone who's jealous that they can't work from home in their particular job. I really haven't seen a single robust argument about why its so bad.

Artists and composers work from home, creative jobs often benefit hugely from people working from home.

My job is designing, writing and testing software, being able to do that from home is a huge boost to the quality and productivity.

I'm at my desk at 7am every day, I never get interrupted as I used to in my "cube", I never get distracted by noise and conversations and so on outside my cube.

My commute is to walk thirty feet from my kitchen to my casita where I have an office. I'm unaffected by weather, unaffected by traffic accidents, unaffected by road closures.

This is a no-brainer and only people who have no-brain are complaining.

We disagree. I say the pandemic taught us that a huge migration to at home work caused much more problems than it was worth. You seem to disagree with that. We're going to have to leave it at that.

 

[Orangecat]

We're not discussing the pandemic, you keep bringing this up. It's like saying wearing T-shirts a bad idea because we wore them once during a storm and got soaked and caught a cold, its stupid so stop it.

The only reason anyone can make the sweeping claim that working from home is always a bad idea, is someone who's jealous that they can't work from home in their particular job. I really haven't seen a single robust argument about why its so bad.

Artists and composers work from home, creative jobs often benefit hugely from people working from home.

My job is designing, writing and testing software, being able to do that from home is a huge boost to the quality and productivity.

I'm at my desk at 7am every day, I never get interrupted as I used to in my "cube", I never get distracted by noise and conversations and so on outside my cube.

My commute is to walk thirty feet from my kitchen to my casita where I have an office. I'm unaffected by weather, unaffected by traffic accidents, unaffected by road closures.

This is a no-brainer and only people who have no-brain are complaining.

Anecdotal bullshit.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Commuting cost and time is one of the main contributors to employee turnover, we've all had coworkers who have left or joined, because their commute was too much, too costly, too taxing.

Working from home therefore eliminates that, it reduces employee turnover and staff retention - all of these are good things yet listen to dunces here who don't care about reality, they just think everyone should be miserable and bitter like them.

 

[initforme]

We disagree. I say the pandemic taught us that a huge migration to at home work caused much more problems than it was worth. You seem to disagree with that. We're going to have to leave it at that.

I truly believe yhe so called horrible economic effect from the pandemic was way overblown by the media. Fake news.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

We disagree. I say the pandemic taught us that a huge migration to at home work caused much more problems than it was worth. You seem to disagree with that. We're going to have to leave it at that.

All it taught us is that pandemics have an impact, you cannot claim that everything that was a problem under a pandemic will also be a problem without a pandemic. If this is how you reason about things I can understand why you don't suit working from home.

 

[Lisa558]

When I worked for a Fortune 400 company we also had to do that every week, it was called "Weekly Highlights".

Me, too - for a Fortune 200. We had to do it every Friday,

On Monday, we had to outline the projects for that week, and the progress we were aiming for. Then on Friday, we had to use that as a base for our week-end report.

These government employees are all aghast that they have to justify their high salaries? Bet I won’t find any laughing in my face on the movie line anymore, at matinee Tuesday.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

In my office I have a huge library, lots of technology books, I have a big white glass dry wipe board, I have my own printer a very large curved monitor and lots of desk space.

When I worked in a "cube" my desk space was tiny, I had to use a cheap keyboard and small monitor and there was no dry wipe board near me and no technical library.

I never have to wait for a bathroom, I can get a coffee any time I like, I can go to my fridge to get lunch and so I never need a lunch break where I have to go out and drive to a sandwich store and so on.

I can have my music playing quietly here but at work I'd have to use headphones.

 

[CrazyTrader55]

Why? What if a worker gets more done per day by working from home? Why would you not leverage that?

Because we do not trust government workers.
It took me until age 55 to be trusted with a home office. I had to battle traffic for decades, and waste valuable time, to go into an office, FIVE DAYS A WEEK. Suck it up. Govt. workers are being paid by the taxpayers, and the taxpayers are demanding accountability.

 

[Independent thinker]

I truly believe yhe so called horrible economic effect from the pandemic was way overblown by the media. Fake news.

If I understand you correctly, you're saying the MSM way overblew the pandemic in the name of politics to make Trump look bad.

 

[Independent thinker]

All it taught us is that pandemics have an impact, you cannot claim that everything that was a problem under a pandemic will also be a problem without a pandemic. If this is how you reason about things I can understand why you don't suit working from home.

As I said, I have no desire to debate about current work from home requirements but, as a business owner, I support both business and government in deciding what their employees should do. If businesses and the government demand people come back to the office then screw the worker. You either quit and find a different work from home job or you suck it up and go back to the office. Both sides have a stake in the decision. It's not an automatic win for either the businesses or the government if they lose a bunch of their workforce due to their decision. Both sides suffer one way or another to some degree whether it works or doesn't work.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Because we do not trust government workers.

You do every time you get on a plane, you do every time you react to a hurricane or snowstorm prediction you do every time you get money back from the IRS.

It took me until age 55 to be trusted with a home office.

It took me until I was 60. My entire career in computing has involved commuting. When I worked in London it would sometimes take me 90 minutes each way on two subway lines and two different bus routes. I'd stand in the pissing rain waiting for a bus, I'd push and squeeze my way down escalators to get my subway home and so on.

That was my life, at least two hellish hours every single working day, wasted, stressful, miserable and expensive. Working from home is what we were all PROMISED during the future gazing 50s and 60s, you can look, go and see science and technology magazines all promising that one day with advanced communications and networking we could be free of the commute this is no accident, it has been a goal of technologists for decades.

I had to battle traffic for decades, and waste valuable time, to go into an office, FIVE DAYS A WEEK. Suck it up. Govt. workers are being paid by the taxpayers, and the taxpayers are demanding accountability.

There's always been accountability, federal workers get performance reviews, they get punished for lateness just like many jobs, they get fired sometimes. You trust an idiot like Musk (whom even Kash Patel is now publicly slapping down) but have this prejudice against all government employees? that's insane man.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

To all the fuckers here who actually want to work at the office, who hate the very idea of working from home and think their own insecurities and incapacities apply to everyone else, well look at this, how many of you spend 2+ hours a day dealing with this? None of you, you live in a fantasy world and have no idea what other people struggle with every single day.

 

[IM2]

People in government jobs are evaluated and held accountable just like everyone else.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

As I said, I have no desire to debate about current work from home requirements but, as a business owner, I support both business and government in deciding what their employees should do. If businesses and the government demand people come back to the office then screw the worker.

Or the person could leave and get a better job - screw the employer. Many software jobs now offer WFH as a benefit and those that don't have to either pay more or suffer.

You either quit and find a different work from home job or you suck it up and go back to the office.

Yes, that's always been the case.

Both sides have a stake in the decision. It's not an automatic win for either the businesses or the government if they lose a bunch of their workforce due to their decision.

I don't disagree, of course there are roles where a physical presence is essential but there are roles where it is not. This is not an argument though that proves all WFH government employees are lazy, useless, over paid leeches.

Both sides suffer one way or another to some degree whether it works or doesn't work.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Here's a computer professional, he's disabled and commuting is a serious challenge and it burdens the office somewhat to have to accommodate his disability.

So what does he do?