"Career public servants": THE PARTY IS OVER

[Sherlock Holmes]

Get this: you no longer have lifetime job security on our tax dollars. And you have accountability. You can't work remotely 5 days a week either. The gravy train is over. Thank you Mr. Trump and Mr. Musk.

Getting paid for doing one's job is the backbone of the American dream. I work remotely five days a week myself, it's nothing for you to get jealous about.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Me? Nah, I'm just a citizen. But, I don't think unions have a place in government jobs. It's a perpetual circle of corruption.

is it?.....do the workers in govt jobs get treated better than any other workers?...if you say yes then you have never worked for the govt.....

 

[scruffy]

When will they do it to soldiers in the military?

Soldiers are not career servants, moron.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I understand that the whole "bullet point" thing is standard SOP in the private sector.

Anyone care to comment on if that is true?

You understand wrong.

There are a multitude of processes companies can adopt to manage their staff. These "bullet point" requests are useless, they are an exercise in domination and nothing else.

Functioning companies have metrics, they gather metrics in various ways and so they already KNOW what their staff are doing.

Take a busy call center, every person is monitored, the number of times they answer a call, how long they took on average, how long the call lasts and so on, no call center manager would ask his hundreds of staff to write a silly fucking bullet point email.

What is Musk actually seeking? Is he going to read thousands of responses? what will he do with each one he reads? how does he evaluate each person's listed points? Does he understand every person's duties, responsibilities and so on? Every person has a context, without that their listed answers are close to meaningless.

Like everything magat this sort of silliness impresses only the inept, those who have little management experience.

What we actually see here is Musk wasting the time of thousands and thousands of federal workers, they could be getting on with their jobs but must now cobble together meaningless email with absolutely no idea of Musk's experctations or needs.

This is proof positive that Musk has no managerial skill, he is inept, the very act of making such a pointless, wasteful request show that he has no fucking idea what he's doing.

He even posted a survey seeking the general public's view of whether he should or should not ask for the bullet list, that's how inept he is, a true leader would lead not be seeking reassurance from a bunch of sycophantic twitter twats.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Soldiers are not career servants, moron.

That's exactly what they are ! But what is wrong with asking every serving member of the armed forces to write an email summarizing last weeks achievements? If it's a helpful thing to do why would you oppose it?

 

[Independent thinker]

Get this: you no longer have lifetime job security on our tax dollars. And you have accountability. You can't work remotely 5 days a week either. The gravy train is over. Thank you Mr. Trump and Mr. Musk.

They are shitting bricks now. I work in the private sector and I used to joke about those working in the home office knowing they can't golf five days per week so they golf three days a week and spend the other two days coming up with stupid ass shit to make it look to their supervisors (who ARE golfing five days per week) like they're actually doing something.

Government's a different story. Most of them do nothing five days per week. There is a thread somewhere on here from months ago talking about the Biden administration coming up with a 600 page report on not allowing interstate signage to display funny quotes which could distract drivers and cause accidents - 600 pages talking about not displaying funny signage. This is what government idiots do.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I'm a seasoned software designer and I know one or two things here. One is that most programmers make poor managers, very poor. They look at the management task as if it were a software problem, they try to perceive it as some kind of rule based process and they are often poor at reading people.

They often get obsessed with relatively minor details and miss the bigger picture, this is Musk, this is where he came from and this silly bullet list stuff is so typical of this kind of poor manager.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

They are shitting bricks now. I work in the private sector and I used to joke about those working in the home office knowing they can't golf five days per week so they golf three days a week and spend the other two days coming up with stupid ass shit to make it look to their supervisors (who ARE golfing five days per week) like they're actually doing something.

If someone's productivity is higher by working at home, on what basis do you disapprove? Seems rather stupid to force people to work inefficiently, that's what happens to you though when you admire idiots like Chump and Skum.

Government's a different story. Most of them do nothing five days per week. There is a thread somewhere on here from months ago talking about the Biden administration coming up with a 600 page report on not allowing interstate signage to display funny quotes which could distract drivers and cause accidents - 600 pages talking about not displaying funny signage. This is what government idiots do.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Musk is rapidly proving himself to be nothing but a fifth wheel, this administration is turning into a Marx Brothers movie. Trump is 100% responsible for this fiasco, he is the cause and if he knew what to do he'd fix it immediately, instead chaos reigns.

What do trumpanzees think of this? should Musk be the one deciding who to dismiss from the FBI or should it be the head of the FBI? Should Musk be the one evaluating the performance of FBI employees or should it be the head of the FBI?

You're all cowards so I don't expect you to actually take sides, you're spineless and you'll just procrastinate, that's all magats are good at, talking without actually speaking.

Kash Patel overrules Elon Musk as new FBI boss throws down gauntlet

New FBI chief Kash Patel defied Elon Musk's mass email to federal workers as he ordered agents to ignore DOGE's latest efficiency crackdown on Saturday.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

This is great, let me grab some popcorn!

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[Independent thinker]

If someone's productivity is higher by working at home, on what basis do you disapprove? Seems rather stupid to force people to work inefficiently, that's what happens to you though when you admire idiots like Chump and Skum.

Yes, working from home is inefficient for the job. Of course it is efficient for you because you can do many things during that time you are actually supposed to be working for someone other than yourself. You get paid for working for someone else.

 

[Curried Goats]

Get this: you no longer have lifetime job security on our tax dollars. And you have accountability. You can't work remotely 5 days a week either. The gravy train is over. Thank you Mr. Trump and Mr. Musk.

Helping and cheering a billionaire pissing on your own blue collar working friend is hilarious. Yes, thank you Trump.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Yes, working from home is inefficient for the job.

So efficiency isn't your real concern then is it?

Of course it is efficient for you because you can do many things during that time you are actually supposed to be working for someone other than yourself. You get paid for working for someone else.

How did you measure my efficiency?

 

[Independent thinker]

So efficiency isn't your real concern then is it?

How did you measure my efficiency?

I was never talking about efficiency in the first place. That was you who changed the subject.

 

[Scoutster]

You understand wrong.

There are a multitude of processes companies can adopt to manage their staff. These "bullet point" requests are useless, they are an exercise in domination and nothing else.

Functioning companies have metrics, they gather metrics in various ways and so they already KNOW what their staff are doing.

Take a busy call center, every person is monitored, the number of times they answer a call, how long they took on average, how long the call lasts and so on, no call center manager would ask his hundreds of staff to write a silly fucking bullet point email.

What is Musk actually seeking? Is he going to read thousands of responses? what will he do with each one he reads? how does he evaluate each person's listed points? Does he understand every person's duties, responsibilities and so on? Every person has a context, without that their listed answers are close to meaningless.

Like everything magat this sort of silliness impresses only the inept, those who have little management experience.

What we actually see here is Musk wasting the time of thousands and thousands of federal workers, they could be getting on with their jobs but must now cobble together meaningless email with absolutely no idea of Musk's experctations or needs.

This is proof positive that Musk has no managerial skill, he is inept, the very act of making such a pointless, wasteful request show that he has no fucking idea what he's doing.

He even posted a survey seeking the general public's view of whether he should or should not ask for the bullet list, that's how inept he is, a true leader would lead not be seeking reassurance from a bunch of sycophantic twitter twats.

I don’t think you get it, this helps keep focus for the employees on their most important tasks. 10 to 15 minutes a week to list out a few bullet points is not much to ask for people that are getting paid to produce results!

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I was never talking about efficiency in the first place. That was you who changed the subject.

Very well, I meant "productivity". If a person is more productive when working from home than they are by commuting to the office each day, would you still object to them working from home? if so, why?

 

[konradv]

Get this: you no longer have lifetime job security on our tax dollars. And you have accountability. You can't work remotely 5 days a week either. The gravy train is over. Thank you Mr. Trump and Mr. Musk.

What party? They’re sending out blanket dismissals asserting productivity problems without explanation.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I don’t think you get it, this helps keep focus for the employees on their most important tasks. 10 to 15 minutes a week to list out a few bullet points is not much to ask for people that are getting paid to produce results!

Its a waste of time, what would you actually do with all these bullet lists? Any business process that generates information should also consume that information somewhere.

Why ask for "approx five"? If I did ten important things why can't I list all of them?

What if I did only one thing? Will I get penalized for listing only one thing?

If I did one thing but that itself was comprised of five other small interrelated things, how do I list that?

• Resolved the functional overlap with finance and accounting history calculation.

or

• Reviewed the spec with the accounts team
• Reviewed the spec with the finance team
• Simplified the QA testing scope to remove the old issues
• Identified which of the two overlapped code bases was in the best shape
• Generalized the interfaces so that external sources can be easily added

These are examples of how utterly stupid it is to pretend that this is managing people. Also a good manager knows what his team are doing if he gave them the work. Usually teams meet weekly and this stuff gets thrashed out and decisions made, no need for stupid little emails back and forth and all the confusion and so on.

If you think is good management then now wonder the Chinese are beating us at industry. I know some truly excellent managers, people who get big bonuses for managing their staff and resources well and I know that if they hired a manager that started acting like Musk, telling people to write silly little emails, they'd be out the door.

 

[Independent thinker]

Very well, I meant "productivity". If a person is more productive when working from home than they are by commuting to the office each day, would you still object to them working from home? if so, why?

You are debating with a person who's not really into the work from home argument, either way - except for the fact that working from home has caused doom spirals in several major cities. Sometimes there are more variables involved than just "productivity". There can be collateral damage by working from home.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

You are debating with a person who's not really into the work from home argument, either way - except for the fact that working from home has caused doom spirals in several major cities. Sometimes there are more variables involved than just "productivity". There can be collateral damage by working from home.

If a person's productivity was higher at home than in an office, why would you choose to get lower productivity? I mean, really? is that what a good manager does? reduces staff productivity just "because"?

Besides productivity what else do you rely on to measure performance?

My productivity is higher at home, I have more productive hours, I am at my desk more than when I was in the office, I get interrupted far less, I achieve more in less time than I used to when I was in the office.

You need a pretty good reason to see all that and insist that the person still has to come in to the office, that's like ridiculous, why even measure people's performance if you don't care about it?

No wonder you're impressed with people like Musk !