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Capitalism is NOT Democratic: Democracy is NOT Capitalist

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What is economic surplus? Definition and meaning
Because some propagandist prints a label on a chart, that doesn't make it reality. Furthermore, "Consumer Surplus" doesn't mean anything like what you imply it means. As the chart shows, if the economy is in equilibrium, there is no consumer surplus. I've never even seen the term used in any economics book I ever read.
 

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What role did US foreign policy play in fattening those elites?
Listen To Venezuela | MR Online
"This film was shot in Venezuela in 2008. It provides an essential background to understanding what has been happening in Venezuela in recent times.

"These are real people, not figments of the filmmakers’ imagination, articulating their hopes for a transformed country.

"It offers a very different perspective and set of images of Venezuela from most Western media which loyally recycles perspectives that tie in with American foreign policy objectives and the internal elites of Venezuela who are responsible for decades of underdevelopment and poverty.

"The film offers a complex account of a complex situation-but it is not neutral: it is on the side of a people struggling for change, it is filmed, from ‘the optic of the people’."
Socialist in Venezula who got rich making the people poor, oppressing them, and robbing their natural resources.....blame the USA.....sure....I get it.
 

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Socialist in Venezula who got rich making the people poor, oppressing them, and robbing their natural resources.....blame the USA.....sure....I get it.
Those were bad socialists, see. They're not doing it right.
 

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I always find it ironic that leftist dembot cultist going on and on about how great socialism is, but somehow it always gets foiled by the big bad Capitalist....amazing really
To be fair, it's the same game in reverse ie there are plenty of supposed "capitalist" nations that aren't doing it right either, and we likewise disown them when they're brought up as proof that capitalism "doesn't work".
 

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I always find it ironic that leftist dembot cultist going on and on about how great socialism is, but somehow it always gets foiled by the big bad Capitalist....amazing really
Truth is..... it's not possible to have pure capitalism in a human society. People are assets yes but they still have to eat, drink, breath and be sheltered. This is not like a supply of logs that can be stacked to the back of the lumber yard waiting for the commodity price to rise. By the same token capitalism is the single most powerful engine for development, advancement and invention in all of human history....to the extent we follow it will dictate the speed with which we grow....it's a balance.
 

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What role did US foreign policy play in fattening those elites?
Listen To Venezuela | MR Online
"This film was shot in Venezuela in 2008. It provides an essential background to understanding what has been happening in Venezuela in recent times.

"These are real people, not figments of the filmmakers’ imagination, articulating their hopes for a transformed country.

"It offers a very different perspective and set of images of Venezuela from most Western media which loyally recycles perspectives that tie in with American foreign policy objectives and the internal elites of Venezuela who are responsible for decades of underdevelopment and poverty.

"The film offers a complex account of a complex situation-but it is not neutral: it is on the side of a people struggling for change, it is filmed, from ‘the optic of the people’."
Communist propaganda.
 
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It’s okay to criticize capitalism, but people who demonize capitalism usually want to set up a dictatorship.
Over the past few hundred years we've seen various editions of capitalism and democracy, and they have coexisted with different levels of harmony, but since 1970 US capitalism has morphed into a direct threat to democracy.

https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/fil...-_is_capitalism_compatible_with_democracy.pdf

"Since the 1970s, capitalism has changed in a way that has challenged its compatibility with democracy considerably.

"The turn towards neoliberalism, deregulation and globalization, and the rise of financialization has contributed to these changes significantly (Heires and Nölke 2013).

"The global financial crisis since 2008 has manifested and intensified the critical elements of this new divergence: It has once more changed the relationship between the economy and the state, capitalism and democracy.

"The crisis of capitalism threatens to turn into a crisis of democracy.

"Beginning with Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan in the.."
 

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Over the past few hundred years we've seen various editions of capitalism and democracy, and they have coexisted with different levels of harmony, but since 1970 US capitalism has morphed into a direct threat to democracy.
Only if you think democratic government should control the economy.
 

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Oligarchs, poverty, violence all disappear when leftists take over?? When did you lose touch with reality?
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Many Latin American nations, including Venezuela, have embraced socialism and suffered for it.


Also consider:


 
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Perhaps you should go back and read what I posted. You home schooled types have a difficult time reading for comprehension. No we don't run our countries for the benefit of the wealthy oligarchs. Our tax codes are designed to help working people, and to give them the resources to succeed. Our rates of murder and other violent crimes are a fraction of yours. Our rates of poverty are also a fraction of what yours are.

The rest of the world's first world countries, all of which are leftist social democracies, have less poverty, violent crime, and most importantly, they have far less wage and wealth inequity. Oligarchs don't run the country, and the rich are taxed. They don't get 80% of the income and wealth of our nations. Our tax codes reward the workers, not just the wealthy.

You're the richest nation on earth, but have the 3rd highest rate of poverty in the world. That doesn't say much for your system of government at all. And you have the highest rates of murder and violent crime.


Your crime rate is lower because you only count specific crimes as "violent crimes": murder and non-negligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault. If two drunks get into a fight behind the bar, we count it.
Please acknowledge your errors:

1) You wrote: You’re the richest nation on earth, but have the 3rd highest rate of poverty in the world.

2) You claimed Venezuela has a right authoritarian government.

3) You wrote: The left doesn't "demonize" capitalism. Then you contradicted yourself by posting: "Free Market capitalism" is the basis of everything that is going wrong in the USA at the moment

Many wealthy countries have embraced economic freedom: Country Rankings: World & Global Economy Rankings on Economic Freedom
 
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Over the past few hundred years we've seen various editions of capitalism and democracy, and they have coexisted with different levels of harmony, but since 1970 US capitalism has morphed into a direct threat to democracy.

https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/fil...-_is_capitalism_compatible_with_democracy.pdf

"Since the 1970s, capitalism has changed in a way that has challenged its compatibility with democracy considerably.

"The turn towards neoliberalism, deregulation and globalization, and the rise of financialization has contributed to these changes significantly (Heires and Nölke 2013).

"The global financial crisis since 2008 has manifested and intensified the critical elements of this new divergence: It has once more changed the relationship between the economy and the state, capitalism and democracy.

"The crisis of capitalism threatens to turn into a crisis of democracy.

"Beginning with Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan in the.."
Government caused the global financial crisis
 

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Over the past few hundred years we've seen various editions of capitalism and democracy, and they have coexisted with different levels of harmony, but since 1970 US capitalism has morphed into a direct threat to democracy.

https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/fil...-_is_capitalism_compatible_with_democracy.pdf

"Since the 1970s, capitalism has changed in a way that has challenged its compatibility with democracy considerably.

"The turn towards neoliberalism, deregulation and globalization, and the rise of financialization has contributed to these changes significantly (Heires and Nölke 2013).

"The global financial crisis since 2008 has manifested and intensified the critical elements of this new divergence: It has once more changed the relationship between the economy and the state, capitalism and democracy.

"The crisis of capitalism threatens to turn into a crisis of democracy.

"Beginning with Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan in the.."
Can you acknowledge that Obama, the Clintons, Biden and other prominent Democrats are part of the problem?

Can you acknowledge the massive failures of Communist regimes?
 

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Circling back around to the topic: "Capitalism is NOT Democratic: Democracy is NOT Capitalist"

I don't see the disagreement. The statements are truisms. Capitalism isn't democratic - it was never meant to be. Nor is democracy capitalist - it was never meant to be. How did we squeeze multiple pages of discussion out of this?
 

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No, Stalin was not even aware of what communism or capitalism was.
He was just a bank robber that the party needed in order to gain funding early on.
They made him party secretary, thinking he could then do no harm.
But they forgot that secretaries make lists.
And eventually he killed all those on the list that said "communists".
There was not one single communist that Stalin left alive.
So tell we how Stalin was going to "try communism" after killing every single communist?
Stalin did not murder them for being communists. He murdered them because he considered them a threat to his personal survival as the boss of everybody.

Stalin was a marxist as they come. Just read his speeches.
 

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The point is that historically communism works better and is ingrained in our evolved instincts.
Its efficiency can't be denied.
Just look at how successful Meerkats are, or any communist primates.
Meerkats and primates have alphas who get to fuck anyone else in the group as they please. They are the primary breeders.

The alphas control the means of reproduction.
 

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