Toddsterpatriot
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They left is trying to create a counter defense to capitalist dictators, in order to prevent intimidation and murder by the wealthy elite.
And they'll intimate and murder you if they have to, eh comrade?
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They left is trying to create a counter defense to capitalist dictators, in order to prevent intimidation and murder by the wealthy elite.
maybe your history but not human history,,Meerkats and primitive primates are OUR history, for tens of millions of years, if not longer.
Those are where all our inherent instincts/values came from.
We are inherently communist and social animals.
That won't under democracy.Sure you can. You just need consensus that government shouldn't be meddling in our economic affairs.
Are rich people or poor people the majority in America?
Which cohort's interest does oligarchy serve?
Brutal Capitalism: How America is transforming from a democracy to an oligarchy | The Milwaukee Independent
"Recidivists. Repeat criminals. Billionaires. But because the crime they committed was mostly against average Americans rather than against big companies or rich people, they’ll quietly retire to one of their chalets or mansions.
"Meanwhile, Jessica Reznicek was just sentenced to serve 8 years in prison for damaging an oil pipeline that she believed threatened the water supply of Iowa and surrounding regions and is contributing to climate change. Nobody died. Nobody got addicted. She didn’t make any money doing it. She’s not rich"
Oligarchs, poverty, violence all disappear when leftists take over?? When did you lose touch with reality?Wrong on every score. The left doesn't "demonize" capitalism. You have all of these "either/or" fallacies. "Either you want to build the Wall, or you favour open borders". "Either you're in favour of 'free market capitalism' or you're a communist". None of these things are "either/or" scenarios.
"Free Market capitalism" is the basis of everything that is going wrong in the USA at the moment. It's not socialism that has turned South America into the political hellscape we see today, but rather South America is what happens when you give the country over to free market capitalism. The poverty, the murder of leftist leaders, the extreme violence, all leading to today's Brazil, where death squads go through the barrios gunning down any male not working, as suspected "gang members".
Just as communism has failed where ever it's been tried, so have the attempts of the IMF and the World Bank to impose unfettered capitalism on countries seeking financial assistance in the fall of communism, since the early 1990's. Most countries were quick to discard the IMF imposed economic straight jackets on social spending and worker rights. But the results are already being seen.
To no one's surprise, you have authoritarian right wing governments in Venezuela, Chile, Argentina, Brazil, Poland, Hungary, and Russia - all countries which received IMF funding with Milton Friedman's "capitalism on steriods" which imposed Chicago School of Economics economics, labor and social spending doctrines on those countries as a condition to funding. South Africa is another IMF success story.
Today, the only country in the world still in thrall to Friedman's discredited notions is the USA, which is currently sliding into 2nd world status as a result. The gap between rich and poor is now widening at the fastest rate in your history, and your declining life expectancy is proof positive of the failure of your current social/economic structures.
Without a healthy and thriving middle class, your country will continue to decline. The oligarchs have taken over your economy and are now pushing you into an authoritarian dictatorship. You're nearly there.
Trotsky was a murderous bum just like his fellow Leftists Stalin and Lenin.I agree that capitalism is economic and has nothing to do with governing systems like democracy, theocracy, autocracy, etc.
But all humans always inherently implement communism whenever they get the chance, like all small scales.
That included all families, religious orders, small tribes, etc.
No one has ever allowed communism to be tried on a scale larger than an employee owned company.
Anyone who ever has tried, like Trotsky, was killed by capitalist agents like Stalin.
Why are you having trouble understanding? Some socialists are authoritarians.Obviously capitalism is dangerous.
It relies on and enhances materialism, greed, and all the bad emotions that get people to kill and steal from each other.
However, it also promotes innovation and motivation, so it often wins wars.
So to survive, we need a combination of socialism that allows capitalism, but regulates it enough to prevent abuses like slavery, child labor, etc.
Pure capitalism is pure evil, where if you want something, you just kill whomever has it and take it.
Pure capitalism can never be allowed.
The government in Venezuela is totally right wing, using military force to prevent popular opinions from being implemented, and the wealthy elite getting all the benefits from industry that is supposed to be equitably shared.
That is exactly right wing capitalism.
The only reason why the US does not like it is that it is Venezuelan capitalists getting all the wealth instead of US capitalists.
Capitalists can't even get along with each other.
Well what is it?Today the USA is neither capitalist or Democratic.....
Can we give Rigby5’s post some kind of award?The point is that historically communism works better and is ingrained in our evolved instincts.
Its efficiency can't be denied.
Just look at how successful Meerkats are, or any communist primates.
What role did US foreign policy play in fattening those elites?Here's your socialist paradise you retard. One third of the country is starving while the ruling elite get fat...
Oligarchs, poverty, violence all disappear when leftists take over?? When did you lose touch with reality?
You got (another) one right.Ahh the equivocation game! Who, besides you, is saying that a free market is regulation-free? Free markets depend on property laws at the very least, so you're shadow-boxing.
Rambunctious said:
Today the USA is neither capitalist or Democratic.....
Well what is it?
Perhaps you should go back and read what I posted. You home schooled types have a difficult time reading for comprehension. No we don't run our countries for the benefit of the wealthy oligarchs. Our tax codes are designed to help working people, and to give them the resources to succeed. Our rates of murder and other violent crimes are a fraction of yours. Our rates of poverty are also a fraction of what yours are.
The rest of the world's first world countries, all of which are leftist social democracies, have less poverty, violent crime, and most importantly, they have far less wage and wealth inequity. Oligarchs don't run the country, and the rich are taxed. They don't get 80% of the income and wealth of our nations. Our tax codes reward the workers, not just the wealthy.
You're the richest nation on earth, but have the 3rd highest rate of poverty in the world. That doesn't say much for your system of government at all. And you have the highest rates of murder and violent crime.
Poverty rates in OECD countries 2022 | Statista
Costa Rica had the highest poverty rate of OECD member countries.www.statista.com
Your crime rate is lower because you only count specific crimes as "violent crimes": murder and non-negligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault. If two drunks get into a fight behind the bar, we count it.
"Attorney General Eric Holder"
Capitalism is just another word for criminal enterprise:Capitalism is just another word for economic freedom, and that's far more important than choosing a new gang of overseers every coup
How are they "criminal" when everything they did was totally legal?Capitalism is just another word for criminal enterprise:
Brutal Capitalism: How America is transforming from a democracy to an oligarchy | The Milwaukee Independent
"The Sackler family, whose criminal Oxycontin drug-dealing killed over a half-million Americans and destroyed the lives of millions more, is close to a deal with the states to keep around $10 billion of their ill-gotten gain in exchange for giving the states a bit over $4 billion over a nine years.
"Nobody will go to jail or even suffer an inconvenience like no longer being able to use a private jet or give up one of their many mansions."
There's a difference between a "surplus" and wealth. In reality, there is no economic surplus.
You got (another) one right.
"Free markets" are NOT regulation free.
Cheat, Lie, and Steal: Michael Hudson on the Capitalist Way
"For Adam Smith, a free market was a market free of landlords.
"You wouldn't have them anymore.
"That was the first thing that he picked up in his travels in France was the physiocrats.
"John Stuart Mill said, 'Economic rent is what landlords make in their sleep without working.'
"He wanted the government ... Basically they were called Ricardian Socialists.
"They wanted the government to collect all the rent so that the only income people would get would be income they make from actually being productive, for making things, for makings goods and services"