Zone1 Can you find the Flaw in Atheist Speaker Christopher Hitchens' Logic Here.

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Actually a good thought since God does not control our lives or mess with our reality.

Does God work in your life? Is God actively involved in the world and work in people's lives through providence, judgment, and mercy? Do you view God as transcendent and immanent, maintaining a personal covenantal relationship with individuals, guiding history, and responding to human actions?

You might want to run away before I expose you.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

I don't know how to respond any other way. What would you suggest?

Maybe. Maybe not. Only time will tell. You do know no one is getting out of here alive, right? So how can the flesh be of avail? If this is all there is, I'm good with that.

What the Bipartisan Media Make Us Believe Is Only Make-Believe

 

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What the Bipartisan Media Make Us Believe Is Only Make-Believe

Why should I believe you anymore than them?

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

No it is not news to me that God didn't write the bible. The bible is a creation of man just as God is a creation of man. Studying the bible shows the evolution of Jewish theology and makes it apparent it didn't come from a single divinity but an evolving human culture.

Also an Analogy with Achilles

Since the Jews are not a race or religion but a High-IQ percentile, their story is more connected with the myth of Prometheus than academic archaeology.

Just like employee-inventors who submit to the Grand Larceny of corporate patents, Prometheus made the mistake of using the weapons he invented to help Zeus become the chief god.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

alang1216

Monotheism became the dominant, defining Jewish belief during the Babylonian Exile in the 6th century BCE. While early Israelite religion featured the worship of Yahweh alongside other gods (monolatry), the exile facilitated a shift toward strict, universal monotheism, becoming firmly established by the early Persian period (5th century BCE).

Key details:

• Pre-Exilic Beliefs (12th–7th Century BCE): Israelites were largely monolatrous or polytheistic, often honoring Yahweh as the national god while acknowledging other deities.
• The Transition (7th–6th Century BCE): Reforms under King Josiah (late 7th century BCE) promoted exclusive worship of Yahweh, but true monotheism solidified during the Exile, where prophets argued that Yahweh was the only God of the entire universe, not just one nation.
• Post-Exilic Dominance (5th Century BCE onwards): Following the return from Babylon, the Jewish community in Judea embraced this strict monotheism, cementing it as the foundational theology of Second Temple Judaism.

This transition was a gradual process, shifting from the belief that Yahweh was the strongest god among many to the belief that only Yahweh exists, as described by researchers on Murdoch University.

Yahweh Is Pronounced Almost the Same Way the Romans Pronounced "Jove"

It represented the reaction to a prehistoric invasion of the Caucasus by the Mongols: "Go! Get moving!" 'Run for your lives!"

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Genesis is an allegory they arent actual events.

Under Corporate Patents, Science Is for Suckers

The Book of Knowledge was forbidden because of the Sumerian exploitation of High IQs by power-freak economic bullies.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

You don't believe a divine spark exists within you?

Advice to a Je$u$ Salesman

You can get rich off donations if you use the slogan "God Flicks Our Bic!"

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Why should I believe you anymore than them?

They Put You in a Parrot Cage; Teh Sage Wants You to Fly Free

 

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They Put You in a Parrot Cage; Teh Sage Wants You to Fly Free

Go on then.

 

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Advice to a Je$u$ Salesman

You can get rich off donations if you use the slogan "God Flicks Our Bic!"

What if I don't donate?

 

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Yahweh Is Pronounced Almost the Same Way the Romans Pronounced "Jove"

It represented the reaction to a prehistoric invasion of the Caucasus by the Mongols: "Go! Get moving!" 'Run for your lives!"

Is this another conspiracy theory? I do love hearing conspiracy theories. Go on then.

 

[alang1216]

And according to alang1216 it was made up; a work of fiction. Is that how you see it too?

It is a book that contains fiction but also history, theology, wisdom, and morality.

 

[alang1216]

Jews are not a race or religion but a High-IQ percentile

Sorry but Jews are no higher or lower than any other group. What sets them apart is that they are people of the book. Historically you couldn't be a good Jewish man unless you were literate and educated.

 

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It is a book that contains fiction...

And you don't believe that qualifies as fraud why?

 

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Sorry but Jews are no higher or lower than any other group. What sets them apart is that they are people of the book. Historically you couldn't be a good Jewish man unless you were literate and educated.

What history books are you reading? Wouldn't the definition of a "good Jewish man" focus on moral character, ethical behavior, and practical commitment to following the commandments, rather than just intellectual capacity and education?

Hafar1014 is supposedly a "good Jewish man" and he seems dumber than a bag of rocks to me.

 

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What sets them apart is that they are people of the book.

Not exactly. But God forbid you acknowledge or credit anything related to the God of Abraham.

Jews generally explain being set apart not through inherent superiority, but through a unique, ancestral covenant with God—the "chosen people" concept—which imposes specific, additional responsibilities and obligations to uphold the Torah and its commandments. This "distinction" is viewed as a mission to be a "light unto the nations".

Key aspects setting Jews apart in their tradition include:

• Covenantal Responsibility: The "chosen" status is seen as a responsibility to follow 613 commandments (mitzvot), not a privilege.
• "A People That Dwells Alone": Referring to a biblical phrase, this is interpreted as a destiny to maintain a distinct identity, resisting assimilation while remaining a "light" to the world.
• "Holy" / Set Apart: Kadosh (holy) means being separated from the ordinary, aimed at acting with unique moral, ethical, and spiritual standards.
• Purposeful Distinction: The goal is to sanctify God's name through moral, honest, and ethical behavior.
• Educational Focus: A deep, historic, and cultural emphasis on Torah learning and intellectual pursuit is central to Jewish identity.

 

[alang1216]

Not exactly. But God forbid you acknowledge or credit anything related to the God of Abraham.

Jews generally explain being set apart not through inherent superiority, but through a unique, ancestral covenant with God—the "chosen people" concept—which imposes specific, additional responsibilities and obligations to uphold the Torah and its commandments. This "distinction" is viewed as a mission to be a "light unto the nations".

Key aspects setting Jews apart in their tradition include:

• Covenantal Responsibility: The "chosen" status is seen as a responsibility to follow 613 commandments (mitzvot), not a privilege.
• "A People That Dwells Alone": Referring to a biblical phrase, this is interpreted as a destiny to maintain a distinct identity, resisting assimilation while remaining a "light" to the world.
• "Holy" / Set Apart: Kadosh (holy) means being separated from the ordinary, aimed at acting with unique moral, ethical, and spiritual standards.
• Purposeful Distinction: The goal is to sanctify God's name through moral, honest, and ethical behavior.
• Educational Focus: A deep, historic, and cultural emphasis on Torah learning and intellectual pursuit is central to Jewish identity.

Always seemed illogical that the one God would choose one single, insignificant tribe be his beacon to the world. Logic would say that if there are many gods, picking one to make your covenant with makes more sense.

 

[Hafar1014]

Always seemed illogical that the one God would choose one single, insignificant tribe be his beacon to the world. Logic would say that if there are many gods, picking one to make your covenant with makes more sense.

It was the Jews who created the 10 commandments and monotheism.

 

[alang1216]

It was the Jews who created the 10 commandments and monotheism.

I think the Jews distilled the 10 commandments from many sources, e.g., Hittite treaties, the Hammurabi law code, and adopted monotheism during the Babylonian exile.

Zoroastrianism is generally considered one of the world's first monotheistic faiths, centered on the worship of one supreme creator god, Ahura Mazda. Founded by the prophet Zoroaster (Zarathustra), it emphasizes ethical dualism between good and evil, though scholars debate its exact classification, noting elements of ethical monotheism combined with dualistic traditions.

Key details regarding Zoroastrianism's monotheism:

• Central Deity: Ahura Mazda is worshipped as the supreme, omniscient, and good creator.
• Ethical Dualism:The faith highlights a struggle between the forces of good (represented by Ahura Mazda) and evil (represented by Angra Mainyu).
• • Interpretation: While often deemed "monotheistic," some scholars suggest it is a unique blend of "cosmogonic dualism and eschatological monotheism".
  • Components: It features a "monotheism of its own" that may include elements that could be interpreted as dualistic or polytheistic, though the primary focus is on one god.

It influenced later religions like Judaism, Christianity, and Islam with concepts such as heaven, hell, and final judgment.

 

[Hafar1014]

I think the Jews distilled the 10 commandments from many sources, e.g., Hittite treaties, the Hammurabi law code, and adopted monotheism during the Babylonian exile.

Zoroastrianism is generally considered one of the world's first monotheistic faiths, centered on the worship of one supreme creator god, Ahura Mazda. Founded by the prophet Zoroaster (Zarathustra), it emphasizes ethical dualism between good and evil, though scholars debate its exact classification, noting elements of ethical monotheism combined with dualistic traditions.

Key details regarding Zoroastrianism's monotheism:

• Central Deity: Ahura Mazda is worshipped as the supreme, omniscient, and good creator.
• Ethical Dualism:The faith highlights a struggle between the forces of good (represented by Ahura Mazda) and evil (represented by Angra Mainyu).
• • Interpretation: While often deemed "monotheistic," some scholars suggest it is a unique blend of "cosmogonic dualism and eschatological monotheism".
  • Components: It features a "monotheism of its own" that may include elements that could be interpreted as dualistic or polytheistic, though the primary focus is on one god.

It influenced later religions like Judaism, Christianity, and Islam with concepts such as heaven, hell, and final judgment.

Zoroastrianism is dualism not mono theism.