Can the USA ever be United again?

[kiwiman127]

When one reads the various threads on this message board, listens to the media, listens to the rhetoric coming out of DC, it becomes a real concern whether this country has become so divided politically and philosophically that it may not ever be united again.

we have always had different ideas, but we have always been able to find the common ground and go forward as Americans with a common purpose. I do not see that happening today.

Thoughts, comments.

No, the divide is too wide. The government has created it, successfully.

And what a great avatar you have there, Redfish.

I have to disagree with you,,,somewhat.
The polarization of America really started taking off during the last decade. If we all tried to remember, Obama wasn't the first president to be called "The Divider", "W" was also labeled the "The Divider".
I put the blame on the radical right/left talking heads (no, not the very excellent band).
One can see the talking heads work being carried out on these boards. There's a lot of hate by both sides and it's reflected in threads and posts. The biggest way to see the work of the talking heads is the threads and posts, we have many, many duplicate threads and posts by several posters all saying the same exact thing. It's like a giant echo chamber here daily. It drives me crazy. It is so obvious that people are repeating over and over again what they picked up on talk radio, super biased websites or from their favorite opinioned cable news channel.
Too many people aren't taking the time to use their grey matter and energy to look at the Big Picture as it is, no they rely on resources that are driven by hate and closed-minded agendas.
To quote the band The Talking Heads, same as it ever was, same as it ever was".

 

[Redfish]

Conservatives don't want a united country. Conservatives want to balkanize America every way they can,

under the banner of their own perverted definition of 'liberty'.

Be honest, the same can be said about liberals. Obama will say it tonight, its my way or I will do it by dictate.

I don't. I don't want to see America turn into 50 little kingdoms with a nearly irrelevant central government.

Conservatives want states rights so they can roll back human rights.

bullshit, its lies like that that are causing much of the division. No one wants to roll back human rights., Stop the lies, stop the partisan bullshit.

 

[Dutch]

It would take a giant catastrophy to unite us, but socially there is an insuperable gulf. I'm afraid that the good old USA has seen it's best days - I say that with a gut wretching pain; facing overwhelming evidence:
We have elected a socialist as president - two terms
The decadence we have plumetted to is outrageous.
Our debt is real, and humongous - it will greatly impede us; cost us immeasurably, and eventually collapse our economy if not attacked.
We have locked up more of our citizens than anyone for victimless crimes, creating a huge sub class of recidivist
We have betrayed our sovereignty, and our laws; giving aid to alien infiltrators at the expense of our citizenry
We have allowed those in congress to milk us unremittingly; no term limits.
Our government promotes dependancy, and punishes success.

All republics are doomed to failure. The weak overcome the strong; the takers defeat the givers.

This clip reminded me of you.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsx2vdn7gpY]Game Over Man, GAME OVER! - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Redfish]

Things have been pretty much the same, until now. Now the people no longer have the same values, no longer hold the same traditions, no longer celebrate the same holidays or agree on the same national heroes. We are divided on every level.

This is why conservatism is the only barrier to unity;

people who are incapable of finding common ground and cause with others because they cannot tolerate the fact that they won't celebrate only the holidays conservatives want to permit them.

^^^the kind of thinking expressed in this post^^^^^ is part of the reason we remain divided, the left is determined to demonize everyone who does not agree and support their agenda. they do not respect differing ideas and opinions, anyone who does not go along with their socialist agenda is to be destroyed by lies and inuendo.

 

[Seawytch]

Sure we can...the first time we're attacked under a Republican President...'cause if you don't unite and rally around him or her, you'll be labeled a traitor nightly on the Fox propaganda network.

 

[Duped]

It would take a giant catastrophy to unite us, but socially there is an insuperable gulf. I'm afraid that the good old USA has seen it's best days - I say that with a gut wretching pain; facing overwhelming evidence:
We have elected a socialist as president - two terms
The decadence we have plumetted to is outrageous.
Our debt is real, and humongous - it will greatly impede us; cost us immeasurably, and eventually collapse our economy if not attacked.
We have locked up more of our citizens than anyone for victimless crimes, creating a huge sub class of recidivist
We have betrayed our sovereignty, and our laws; giving aid to alien infiltrators at the expense of our citizenry
We have allowed those in congress to milk us unremittingly; no term limits.
Our government promotes dependancy, and punishes success.

All republics are doomed to failure. The weak overcome the strong; the takers defeat the givers.

This clip reminded me of you.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsx2vdn7gpY]Game Over Man, GAME OVER! - YouTube[/ame]

I know what to do - it is simple. Hard work, and sacrifise is what made this country great, and staunch patriotism. If we could again be that, but it is impossible - there is no more we!

 

[Seawytch]

It's also obvious which political ideology is more prone to favor compromise.

 

[Duped]

It's also obvious which political ideology is more prone to favor compromise.

Define compromise. You do know that we all have things that are intractable - does your poll include those?

 

[natstew]

No I don't see it happening. Not even with another civil war.

then what is the solution, divide the country? change our sytem of government? hold a constitutional convention? just let it fall apart?

The solution would be to allow states to peacefully secede from the so called "union" if they do not want to participate. But, again, the war of northern aggression solidified the coercive force of the federal government. No state will leave, the country will not divide, the federal government will eventually consume the remainder of of the republic and the states, much like congress will simply be ceremonial in existence.

In other words, nothing will happen except more division, more federal tyranny and ultimately a slow slide into glaring despotism. Thats always how it happens historically.

Abraham Lincoln Transformed the United States from a Constitutional Republic to an Empire. Just like the Soviet Union he conquered the free States and forced them to bow to the Federal Government.

 

[Redfish]

It's also obvious which political ideology is more prone to favor compromise.

But recent history belies that assumption. Did the dems offer to compromise when they realized that obamacare was failing the american people? did dems offer to compromise of raising the national debt?

the point is that common ground is getting smaller every day and, as someone said earlier, it seems that we no longer have the same end goals for the country.

Compromise becomes very hard when the two sides do not have common goals.

 

[Seawytch]

It's also obvious which political ideology is more prone to favor compromise.

Define compromise. You do know that we all have things that are intractable - does your poll include those?

Does it matter. The GOP decided in January 2009 that they would be intractable on everything. When it came to President Obama...

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DtMV44yoXZ0

 

[Spoonman]

When one reads the various threads on this message board, listens to the media, listens to the rhetoric coming out of DC, it becomes a real concern whether this country has become so divided politically and philosophically that it may not ever be united again.

we have always had different ideas, but we have always been able to find the common ground and go forward as Americans with a common purpose. I do not see that happening today.

Thoughts, comments.

not when you have a president who declares we will not negotiate, we will not compromise.

 

[antanasantrasis]

USA should understand that their role is very big in the world and must be united in order to help all the world

 

[Spoonman]

It's also obvious which political ideology is more prone to favor compromise.

Define compromise. You do know that we all have things that are intractable - does your poll include those?

Does it matter. The GOP decided in January 2009 that they would be intractable on everything. When it came to President Obama...

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DtMV44yoXZ0

was that right after Obama told them, here's the plan, get on board or we're doing this without you. we don't need your votes

 

[Seawytch]

It's also obvious which political ideology is more prone to favor compromise.

But recent history belies that assumption. Did the dems offer to compromise when they realized that obamacare was failing the american people? did dems offer to compromise of raising the national debt?



the point is that common ground is getting smaller every day and, as someone said earlier, it seems that we no longer have the same end goals for the country.



Compromise becomes very hard when the two sides do not have common goals.

The Heritage Foundation's healthcare plan WAS the compromise. Liberals wanted single payer, Democrats a Public Option...we got Bob Dole's Romneycare.

 

[Redfish]

It's also obvious which political ideology is more prone to favor compromise.

Define compromise. You do know that we all have things that are intractable - does your poll include those?

Does it matter. The GOP decided in January 2009 that they would be intractable on everything. When it came to President Obama...

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DtMV44yoXZ0

as did the dems for the entire 8 years of Bush 43. its nothing new.

 

[natstew]

Things have been pretty much the same, until now. Now the people no longer have the same values, no longer hold the same traditions, no longer celebrate the same holidays or agree on the same national heroes. We are divided on every level.

This is why conservatism is the only barrier to unity;

people who are incapable of finding common ground and cause with others because they cannot tolerate the fact that they won't celebrate only the holidays conservatives want to permit them.

YOU FUCKING IDIOT!!

Convservativism represents the normal, the here and now, the unity of society.
Liberalism, Progressivism represents moving away from the existing, peaceful, unity of society.
Liberals say, "Change everything our way and we'll all be united.
Conservatives say, "We're united now, let's not muck it up with newfangled far left radical changes". (That was the early fifties, its gone far beyond that now, thanks to the far Left radical commies)

Segregation could have been done away with without transforming to communism, but the Liberals didn't let a 'good crisis' go to waste!



Conservativism is unity! Liberalism is the shattering of unity!

 

[Seawytch]

When one reads the various threads on this message board, listens to the media, listens to the rhetoric coming out of DC, it becomes a real concern whether this country has become so divided politically and philosophically that it may not ever be united again.



we have always had different ideas, but we have always been able to find the common ground and go forward as Americans with a common purpose. I do not see that happening today.



Thoughts, comments.

not when you have a president who declares we will not negotiate, we will not compromise.

After not letting the GOP shoot the hostages by giving in to their demands in the times before.

Such short term memories.

 

[Seawytch]

Define compromise. You do know that we all have things that are intractable - does your poll include those?

Does it matter. The GOP decided in January 2009 that they would be intractable on everything. When it came to President Obama...



http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DtMV44yoXZ0

as did the dems for the entire 8 years of Bush 43. its nothing new.

Odd then that all previous filibuster records have been broken under this President.

 

[Duped]

It's also obvious which political ideology is more prone to favor compromise.

Define compromise. You do know that we all have things that are intractable - does your poll include those?

Does it matter. The GOP decided in January 2009 that they would be intractable on everything. When it came to President Obama...

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DtMV44yoXZ0

Fuck the GOP - they are culpable for our deterioration as well though the liberals have us on the fast track to destruction. What has Obama been wlling to compromise on? He is an ideologue - he does not depart from his fairness doctrine.