Can Someone Explain how we can Impliment Socialism and Still Enjoy the Benefits of Capitalism?

[Ringo]

Ford engineers reported that the Pinto's fuel tank would explode in a rear-end collision. The bourgeoisie took out their calculators. They calculated the cost of a recall and the cost of lives in terms of stock prices. They decided it was cheaper to buy their way out of murder. So in the 1970s, capital sentenced up to 500 people to death. Disgusting capitalism in its purest form.
If anyone thinks that anything has changed since then, when financial scumbags destroy entire industries and countries for their stinking profits, and the glorious followers of Mengele turn the commodity “food” into poisonous chemical shit, then I am no doctor for you. On the contrary, the scale of the crimes has grown to planetary proportions.

 

[schmidlap]

After more than one hundred and fifty years of capitalism, there is plenty of money available in the United States for Socialism to work - if money were the only reason it would not. But even if that were true, the money will have to run out and then socialism cannot work.

The False Appeal Of Socialism

Even in its new, fashionable, incarnation, socialism cannot fulfill people’s economic needs or their yearning for freedom.

www.hoover.org

Many Americans—particularly but not exclusively the young—remain intrigued by socialism. Indeed, a 2019 survey found that socialism is as popular as capitalism among young American adults. Well-known political figures such as Senator Bernie Sanders and Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez describe themselves as “democratic socialists” and advocate tens of trillions of dollars in new spending programs along with a massive expansion of state power over citizens’ lives. In academic circles, too, the debate surrounding the merits of socialism continues.

Yet, the clothes, the cars, the homes, the books (if any still read them), the devices and the services on those devices, and even their favorite social media influencers are the products of capitalism, brought to them by people in search of profit.

Imagine a version of Youtube in which government committees, rather than popularity driven monetization, paid producers to keep posting content. It would die on the vine or broadcast unwatched content into the ether, unless government decided to somehow mandate consumuing the videos.

"govtube.org" would probably manage to be even less popular than Air America was.

So when whatever socialist world you envision comes about, how will goods and services continue to be produced? Please be specific and step-by-step, not just "by the people's producers!" or some such nonsense.

How will production be motivated, and how will government determine what to produce?

It is capitalistic extremists and socialistic extremists who fail

Every stable, successful economy incorporates aspects of both.

 

[Ringo]

Modern post-industrial capitalism can no longer be driven back to Adam Smith—resources are required on a much larger scale, so today's profiteers are mainly robbing the future. This is the source of all capitalist politics—depopulation (under rainbow flags) and cost cutting.

From the point of view of capitalist formation, all the perversions that capitalism undergoes are not only not a “departure from eternal values,” but are progressive and necessary. This is the main road of capitalist development. All those who oppose this are reactionaries who harm capital.

The leak about the thriving $34 billion pedophile market, in which 10,000 Ukrainian children disappeared without a trace in a year, proves once again that the capitalist elites have de facto legalized pedophilia for themselves. A huge array of issues has been resolved: the cross-border movement of victims, their maintenance, marketplaces, and disposal.


“The ILO report for 2015 states that in 2002, an estimated 6 million children worldwide were enslaved, 1.2 million were victims of human trafficking, and 1.8 million were sexually exploited.”

Can you imagine the size of the “market”?

Consider the necessary “infrastructure” — trillions per year for transportation (everything is taken care of at customs and by the police), maintenance, slave trade marketplaces, and disposal. 80% of slavery is concentrated in the West. It has existed under all exploitative formations, but capital “calibrates” evil in dollars.

No longer do you need to prove your loyalty to evil with the blue of your blood or the number of skulls brought to the throne from the colonies. Now, the System of Absolute Greed automatically finds and elevates the most notorious villains to Olympus.

 

[San Souci]

After more than one hundred and fifty years of capitalism, there is plenty of money available in the United States for Socialism to work - if money were the only reason it would not. But even if that were true, the money will have to run out and then socialism cannot work.

The False Appeal Of Socialism

Even in its new, fashionable, incarnation, socialism cannot fulfill people’s economic needs or their yearning for freedom.

www.hoover.org

Many Americans—particularly but not exclusively the young—remain intrigued by socialism. Indeed, a 2019 survey found that socialism is as popular as capitalism among young American adults. Well-known political figures such as Senator Bernie Sanders and Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez describe themselves as “democratic socialists” and advocate tens of trillions of dollars in new spending programs along with a massive expansion of state power over citizens’ lives. In academic circles, too, the debate surrounding the merits of socialism continues.

Yet, the clothes, the cars, the homes, the books (if any still read them), the devices and the services on those devices, and even their favorite social media influencers are the products of capitalism, brought to them by people in search of profit.

Imagine a version of Youtube in which government committees, rather than popularity driven monetization, paid producers to keep posting content. It would die on the vine or broadcast unwatched content into the ether, unless government decided to somehow mandate consumuing the videos.

"govtube.org" would probably manage to be even less popular than Air America was.

So when whatever socialist world you envision comes about, how will goods and services continue to be produced? Please be specific and step-by-step, not just "by the people's producers!" or some such nonsense.

How will production be motivated, and how will government determine what to produce?

Socialism works just Fine--Till they run out of other peoples MONEY

 

[Ringo]

Socialism works just Fine--Till they run out of other peoples MONEY

I have heard many times how advocates of capitalism claim that greed does not exist, that it is a communist invention.
But here is an example of unbridled capitalist greed, the kind that people said would make a capitalist risk the gallows for a 300% profit.

In China, the former mayor of Guangzhou was sentenced to death after 13.5 tons of gold and 286 billion yuan were found in the basement of his home.
The court found Zhang Qi guilty of corruption, abuse of power, and embezzlement. In addition to gold, 23 tons of cash, luxury real estate in China and abroad, and a collection of expensive cars were seized from the official.
The investigation established that billions of dollars in assets were obtained through bribes for contracts and land deals.
The investigation has been ongoing since 2019. It has become one of the most high-profile cases in the country's history.

 

[San Souci]

I have heard many times how advocates of capitalism claim that greed does not exist, that it is a communist invention.
But here is an example of unbridled capitalist greed, the kind that people said would make a capitalist risk the gallows for a 300% profit.

In China, the former mayor of Guangzhou was sentenced to death after 13.5 tons of gold and 286 billion yuan were found in the basement of his home.
The court found Zhang Qi guilty of corruption, abuse of power, and embezzlement. In addition to gold, 23 tons of cash, luxury real estate in China and abroad, and a collection of expensive cars were seized from the official.
The investigation established that billions of dollars in assets were obtained through bribes for contracts and land deals.
The investigation has been ongoing since 2019. It has become one of the most high-profile cases in the country's history.

That is Communist China-- It SUCKS

 

[task0778]

I have heard many times how advocates of capitalism claim that greed does not exist, that it is a communist invention.

Greed does exist in every economic model, it's a feature of human nature. I've never heard anybody claim it is a communist invention, that is ridiculous. What capitalism does better than any other economic model is create wealth, and it is gov'ts job to control the distribution of wealth and ensure as much as possible equal opportunity and fair play for everybody. But it is NOT an issue with capitalism, it's function of poor, mismanaged gov't.

 

[DukeU]

Ford engineers reported that the Pinto's fuel tank would explode in a rear-end collision. The bourgeoisie took out their calculators. They calculated the cost of a recall and the cost of lives in terms of stock prices. They decided it was cheaper to buy their way out of murder. So in the 1970s, capital sentenced up to 500 people to death. Disgusting capitalism in its purest form.
If anyone thinks that anything has changed since then, when financial scumbags destroy entire industries and countries for their stinking profits, and the glorious followers of Mengele turn the commodity “food” into poisonous chemical shit, then I am no doctor for you. On the contrary, the scale of the crimes has grown to planetary proportions.

Data on Mass Murder by Government in the 20th Century​

During the 20th century, governments murdered over 200 million people. This figure excludes battle deaths from wars.

 

[Ringo]

To prove that “socialism doesn't work,” capitalists have to attack, kill, cheat, impose sanctions and embargoes, instead of calmly watching as the “unviable system” collapses on its own.

 

[psikeyhackr]

What has happened to Technology since 1900, especially since 1930?

Have Economists figured out Planned Obsolescence in automobiles yet?

Ask an AI when PhD economists should have figured out Planned Obsolescence in cars, at the Latest. An AI doesn't have an ego, or career or reputation to maintain.

Karl Marx used the word 'depreciation' 100+ times in his major work, but there were no automobiles in 1883. So what happened to the depreciation of all of the Automobiles purchased by consumers since 1950?

What do economists say about the NET Domestic Product?

Planned Obsolescence is planned depreciation and economists are lying morons by not reporting the depreciation of durable consumer goods every year.

When was the last time you heard economists say that Accounting should have been mandatory in high schools since 1950?

That guy, Adam Smith, wrote the book Wealth of Nations. In it he wrote "read, write and ACCOUNT" FIVE times. He used the word 'education' EIGHTY Times.

Smith mentioned the infamous "Invisible Hand" ONE Time in 1100 pages.

The people claiming to favor Capitalism either have not noticed or they are talking bullshit!

 

[Ringo]

 

[Ringo]

“The capitalist system is the true source of all evils.” This is what Albert Einstein wrote in his 1949 essay “Why Socialism?”, where he criticizes capitalism and the alienation it produces in the population, subjecting people to individualism and the “every man for himself” mentality.