CDZ Can Hurricane deaths 5 months after Hurricane be blamed on Trump?

[beagle9]

Who cares what it is... The leftist are trying to use it as an attack dog on Trump or conservatism. Deplorable is what the leftist are (stoop to whatever level). People are smarter than they think, and that drives the leftist slam out of their minds when it doesn't work. So when will the leftist quit using poor human shields in their war on Trump ??

No, people are dumber than they think they are, as dumb people can't tell that they're dumb, especially when surrounded by other dumb people.

PR is still a mess.

No doubt, just like New Orleans still has issues after Katrina, and will always have problems if another major Hurricane hits that place or other coastal regions with full force. We can only do the best that we can, but nature's forces are unpredictable, and beyond our ability to control. We can only work within the abilities that God has gifted us with, but if we are undermined by the demons who are amongst us, then we are weakened to the point that allows for worse things to happen or prolonged events to take place in result of.

So why did god send hurricanes your way? You all up to no good down there?

You trying to make a fool of yourself now ??

Well you said "god gifted us with", so are the hurricanes another gift from god?

Hurricanes are not a gift, so it would help if you would learn the difference. Don't try to spin, because you only make a fool of yourself.

 

[OldLady]

The Puerto Rican government is completely corrupt, and the deaths attributed to the Hurricane? Are now being counted 5 months out in an obvious attempt to attack Trump....is this fair?

The politics of calculating hurricane deaths

Here’s where we run into trouble. Look at the description of the methodology they used. It’s based on “a careful examination of all of the deaths officially reported to the government of Puerto Rico between September 2017 and February 2018… using state-of-the-art mathematical modeling to compare the total number of deaths during that time to the expected number of deaths, based on historical patterns as well as age, sex, socioeconomic status and migration from the island.”

They’re counting deaths which took place five months after the storm had passed.

Pardon my incredulousness over such a serious matter, but when did we start defining hurricane deaths in this fashion? When we think of people dying in a hurricane, we picture those who are washed out to sea, struck by flying debris, trapped under collapsed buildings, drowned in rising storm surge waters or even expiring from exposure while trapped on their roofs awaiting rescue. But at some point the storm is over and the immediate rescue and recovery operations are complete. People no doubt suffer ill effects from a deadly storm for some time to come, but that’s largely a matter of how good the medical and social support services available to them happen to be.

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This new study of Maria, as indicated above, was looking at the number of people who probably would have died on average in each month following the storm going out to February fo the following year. Then they looked at the number of actual death certificates they could find (no matter what they died of) and any in excess of the projection were attributed to the storm. Five. Months. Later.

I’m not saying that there was or wasn’t any political bias involved in the compilation of the Milken Institute study, but that’s really not the point. The question is whether or not this is actual science. If you’re suggesting that every person who gets sick and dies months after a storm comes through because the infrastructure is inadequate, or medical supplies aren’t available, or because they were bitten by a dog who might have been too hungry because he lost his owners in the storm, are directly attributable to the hurricane, then… please.

every person who gets sick and dies months after a storm comes through because the infrastructure is inadequate, or medical supplies aren’t available,
Do you not think it is possible and reasonable to look to the devastation of the roads and the ongoing lack of electricity and supplies as being factors for higher than normal death rates after Maria?
I know it is very unusual to put a death count that far out after a hurricane, but Maria was a very unusual circumstance, wasn't it? Perhaps we should have poured extensive resources into Puerto Rico to rebuild it, regardless of whose "responsibility" it was. But we don't like to spend money on Puerto Rico, do we? They are a poor relation, usually ignored. We won't make them a state because they are too broke.

Why? What good is pouring money into a corrupt island. We put the goods there, sent donations and the dumbass drivers went on strike and this is Trump’s fault? Really?

Where did I say it was all Trump's fault? I'm not buying that he deliberately "ignored" them and allowed people to die. FEMA was overextended due to Maria being the third major hurricane to hit the US in a month. PR is an island, slowing the ability to get relief and repair equipment to them. PR had a crumbling infrastructure to begin with, and a completely crippled economy, which meant the local response was not particularly helpful. BUT, ALL THAT SAID, this is America and if we had decided that the roads would be made passable and the lights would come back on, it would have happened. It would have taken many many more people and a lot more money. That's what we wouldn't do.

 

[Hiryuu]

I realize that. But could it not have restored power and gotten roads passable in that time IF THEY REALLY TRIED?

For starters, Puerto Rico is an island, and cannot be perceived as being anything other than a special logistical challenge.

They have no neighboring states where land based crews (whether power or any other infrastructure) can come and immediately help them address infrastructure concerns. The ports were full of debris immediately after the hurricane, and the Puerto Ricans kicked the US Navy out in 2003 (so those resources in recovery were hampered). It doesn't matter how fast you want something to be repaired, if you don't have the ability to provide for the logistical support necessary to repair them.

Add the fact they would not be repairing downed power lines, but an entire system that was in decay and destroyed. Power polls don't magically appear along hundreds of miles of terrain. There were no utility crews, waiting to enter ports, the ships couldn't enter without the risk of becoming a recovery operation (debris), to be unloaded by equipment that has no power, to fix a problem it would take years to fix, because it was in such decay before the hurricane ever hit.

Sorry Oldlady, there are no fairies with magic wands that can repair decades of neglect and malfeasance, no matter how nice that would be.

 

[Taz]

No, people are dumber than they think they are, as dumb people can't tell that they're dumb, especially when surrounded by other dumb people.

PR is still a mess.

No doubt, just like New Orleans still has issues after Katrina, and will always have problems if another major Hurricane hits that place or other coastal regions with full force. We can only do the best that we can, but nature's forces are unpredictable, and beyond our ability to control. We can only work within the abilities that God has gifted us with, but if we are undermined by the demons who are amongst us, then we are weakened to the point that allows for worse things to happen or prolonged events to take place in result of.

So why did god send hurricanes your way? You all up to no good down there?

You trying to make a fool of yourself now ??

Well you said "god gifted us with", so are the hurricanes another gift from god?

Hurricanes are not a gift, so it would help if you would learn the difference. Don't try to spin, because you only make a fool of yourself.

So why does god send hurricanes to us? Have we been bad?

 

[JoeB131]

No! Three thousand people did not die. Stop believing paid for computer generated bullshit! Look for the death certificates!

You realize that a DC is not going to list, "Died because of neglect after Hurricane Maria", right? It will list something mundane like died from infection or something like that.

 

[Unkotare]

Anti-religion bigots always seem to think their own ignorance is a point of pride. Curious.

 

[eagle1462010]

If the Puerto Rican government has been corrupt for 30 years....and has put the Island into 118 billion dollars in debt, while allowing the infrastructure to be destroyed...where is Trump's responsibility...especially when the corruption continued through the hurricane and handling the supplies and aid?

Again, Trump is in charge of FEMA and all the other federal agencies. If anything, he has MORE authority to override local officials because Puerto Rico is a territory and not a state with sovereign rights. He just chose not to.

Blow it out your ass..... Nothing in PR can be blamed on Trump.
PR was corrupt from the get go and they are the only one responsible for their situation.

Though I share your opinion, this is the CDZ...

Sorry I did not notice that

Well..........I did notice and kinda pushed the envelope.....LOL

 

[eagle1462010]

The Puerto Rican government is completely corrupt, and the deaths attributed to the Hurricane? Are now being counted 5 months out in an obvious attempt to attack Trump....is this fair?

The politics of calculating hurricane deaths

Here’s where we run into trouble. Look at the description of the methodology they used. It’s based on “a careful examination of all of the deaths officially reported to the government of Puerto Rico between September 2017 and February 2018… using state-of-the-art mathematical modeling to compare the total number of deaths during that time to the expected number of deaths, based on historical patterns as well as age, sex, socioeconomic status and migration from the island.”

They’re counting deaths which took place five months after the storm had passed.

Pardon my incredulousness over such a serious matter, but when did we start defining hurricane deaths in this fashion? When we think of people dying in a hurricane, we picture those who are washed out to sea, struck by flying debris, trapped under collapsed buildings, drowned in rising storm surge waters or even expiring from exposure while trapped on their roofs awaiting rescue. But at some point the storm is over and the immediate rescue and recovery operations are complete. People no doubt suffer ill effects from a deadly storm for some time to come, but that’s largely a matter of how good the medical and social support services available to them happen to be.

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This new study of Maria, as indicated above, was looking at the number of people who probably would have died on average in each month following the storm going out to February fo the following year. Then they looked at the number of actual death certificates they could find (no matter what they died of) and any in excess of the projection were attributed to the storm. Five. Months. Later.

I’m not saying that there was or wasn’t any political bias involved in the compilation of the Milken Institute study, but that’s really not the point. The question is whether or not this is actual science. If you’re suggesting that every person who gets sick and dies months after a storm comes through because the infrastructure is inadequate, or medical supplies aren’t available, or because they were bitten by a dog who might have been too hungry because he lost his owners in the storm, are directly attributable to the hurricane, then… please.

every person who gets sick and dies months after a storm comes through because the infrastructure is inadequate, or medical supplies aren’t available,
Do you not think it is possible and reasonable to look to the devastation of the roads and the ongoing lack of electricity and supplies as being factors for higher than normal death rates after Maria?
I know it is very unusual to put a death count that far out after a hurricane, but Maria was a very unusual circumstance, wasn't it? Perhaps we should have poured extensive resources into Puerto Rico to rebuild it, regardless of whose "responsibility" it was. But we don't like to spend money on Puerto Rico, do we? They are a poor relation, usually ignored. We won't make them a state because they are too broke.

Every election Puerto Rico is asked if they'd like to be part of the United States............and every vote for that .........they say no.

 

[Flash]

I'll join the blame game with the Moon Bats. I blame President Eisenhower for the damage caused by Hurricane Donna in 1960. It did significant damage to our property and we were without electricity for over a month.

 

[OldLady]

The Puerto Rican government is completely corrupt, and the deaths attributed to the Hurricane? Are now being counted 5 months out in an obvious attempt to attack Trump....is this fair?

The politics of calculating hurricane deaths

Here’s where we run into trouble. Look at the description of the methodology they used. It’s based on “a careful examination of all of the deaths officially reported to the government of Puerto Rico between September 2017 and February 2018… using state-of-the-art mathematical modeling to compare the total number of deaths during that time to the expected number of deaths, based on historical patterns as well as age, sex, socioeconomic status and migration from the island.”

They’re counting deaths which took place five months after the storm had passed.

Pardon my incredulousness over such a serious matter, but when did we start defining hurricane deaths in this fashion? When we think of people dying in a hurricane, we picture those who are washed out to sea, struck by flying debris, trapped under collapsed buildings, drowned in rising storm surge waters or even expiring from exposure while trapped on their roofs awaiting rescue. But at some point the storm is over and the immediate rescue and recovery operations are complete. People no doubt suffer ill effects from a deadly storm for some time to come, but that’s largely a matter of how good the medical and social support services available to them happen to be.

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This new study of Maria, as indicated above, was looking at the number of people who probably would have died on average in each month following the storm going out to February fo the following year. Then they looked at the number of actual death certificates they could find (no matter what they died of) and any in excess of the projection were attributed to the storm. Five. Months. Later.

I’m not saying that there was or wasn’t any political bias involved in the compilation of the Milken Institute study, but that’s really not the point. The question is whether or not this is actual science. If you’re suggesting that every person who gets sick and dies months after a storm comes through because the infrastructure is inadequate, or medical supplies aren’t available, or because they were bitten by a dog who might have been too hungry because he lost his owners in the storm, are directly attributable to the hurricane, then… please.

every person who gets sick and dies months after a storm comes through because the infrastructure is inadequate, or medical supplies aren’t available,
Do you not think it is possible and reasonable to look to the devastation of the roads and the ongoing lack of electricity and supplies as being factors for higher than normal death rates after Maria?
I know it is very unusual to put a death count that far out after a hurricane, but Maria was a very unusual circumstance, wasn't it? Perhaps we should have poured extensive resources into Puerto Rico to rebuild it, regardless of whose "responsibility" it was. But we don't like to spend money on Puerto Rico, do we? They are a poor relation, usually ignored. We won't make them a state because they are too broke.

Every election Puerto Rico is asked if they'd like to be part of the United States............and every vote for that .........they say no.

Congress asked Puerto Rico to vote on the statehood issue. It did. In June, Puerto Rico voted to join the United States as the 51st state. It's the fifth time the island has held a referendum on whether to join the republic.Jan 11, 2018

https://www.google.com/search?ei=ZZ....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.5.572....0.A7zAScg3zbM

 

[eagle1462010]

The Puerto Rican government is completely corrupt, and the deaths attributed to the Hurricane? Are now being counted 5 months out in an obvious attempt to attack Trump....is this fair?

The politics of calculating hurricane deaths

Here’s where we run into trouble. Look at the description of the methodology they used. It’s based on “a careful examination of all of the deaths officially reported to the government of Puerto Rico between September 2017 and February 2018… using state-of-the-art mathematical modeling to compare the total number of deaths during that time to the expected number of deaths, based on historical patterns as well as age, sex, socioeconomic status and migration from the island.”

They’re counting deaths which took place five months after the storm had passed.

Pardon my incredulousness over such a serious matter, but when did we start defining hurricane deaths in this fashion? When we think of people dying in a hurricane, we picture those who are washed out to sea, struck by flying debris, trapped under collapsed buildings, drowned in rising storm surge waters or even expiring from exposure while trapped on their roofs awaiting rescue. But at some point the storm is over and the immediate rescue and recovery operations are complete. People no doubt suffer ill effects from a deadly storm for some time to come, but that’s largely a matter of how good the medical and social support services available to them happen to be.

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This new study of Maria, as indicated above, was looking at the number of people who probably would have died on average in each month following the storm going out to February fo the following year. Then they looked at the number of actual death certificates they could find (no matter what they died of) and any in excess of the projection were attributed to the storm. Five. Months. Later.

I’m not saying that there was or wasn’t any political bias involved in the compilation of the Milken Institute study, but that’s really not the point. The question is whether or not this is actual science. If you’re suggesting that every person who gets sick and dies months after a storm comes through because the infrastructure is inadequate, or medical supplies aren’t available, or because they were bitten by a dog who might have been too hungry because he lost his owners in the storm, are directly attributable to the hurricane, then… please.

every person who gets sick and dies months after a storm comes through because the infrastructure is inadequate, or medical supplies aren’t available,
Do you not think it is possible and reasonable to look to the devastation of the roads and the ongoing lack of electricity and supplies as being factors for higher than normal death rates after Maria?
I know it is very unusual to put a death count that far out after a hurricane, but Maria was a very unusual circumstance, wasn't it? Perhaps we should have poured extensive resources into Puerto Rico to rebuild it, regardless of whose "responsibility" it was. But we don't like to spend money on Puerto Rico, do we? They are a poor relation, usually ignored. We won't make them a state because they are too broke.

Why? What good is pouring money into a corrupt island. We put the goods there, sent donations and the dumbass drivers went on strike and this is Trump’s fault? Really?

Where did I say it was all Trump's fault? I'm not buying that he deliberately "ignored" them and allowed people to die. FEMA was overextended due to Maria being the third major hurricane to hit the US in a month. PR is an island, slowing the ability to get relief and repair equipment to them. PR had a crumbling infrastructure to begin with, and a completely crippled economy, which meant the local response was not particularly helpful. BUT, ALL THAT SAID, this is America and if we had decided that the roads would be made passable and the lights would come back on, it would have happened. It would have taken many many more people and a lot more money. That's what we wouldn't do.

 

[eagle1462010]

The Puerto Rican government is completely corrupt, and the deaths attributed to the Hurricane? Are now being counted 5 months out in an obvious attempt to attack Trump....is this fair?

The politics of calculating hurricane deaths

Here’s where we run into trouble. Look at the description of the methodology they used. It’s based on “a careful examination of all of the deaths officially reported to the government of Puerto Rico between September 2017 and February 2018… using state-of-the-art mathematical modeling to compare the total number of deaths during that time to the expected number of deaths, based on historical patterns as well as age, sex, socioeconomic status and migration from the island.”

They’re counting deaths which took place five months after the storm had passed.

Pardon my incredulousness over such a serious matter, but when did we start defining hurricane deaths in this fashion? When we think of people dying in a hurricane, we picture those who are washed out to sea, struck by flying debris, trapped under collapsed buildings, drowned in rising storm surge waters or even expiring from exposure while trapped on their roofs awaiting rescue. But at some point the storm is over and the immediate rescue and recovery operations are complete. People no doubt suffer ill effects from a deadly storm for some time to come, but that’s largely a matter of how good the medical and social support services available to them happen to be.

------

This new study of Maria, as indicated above, was looking at the number of people who probably would have died on average in each month following the storm going out to February fo the following year. Then they looked at the number of actual death certificates they could find (no matter what they died of) and any in excess of the projection were attributed to the storm. Five. Months. Later.

I’m not saying that there was or wasn’t any political bias involved in the compilation of the Milken Institute study, but that’s really not the point. The question is whether or not this is actual science. If you’re suggesting that every person who gets sick and dies months after a storm comes through because the infrastructure is inadequate, or medical supplies aren’t available, or because they were bitten by a dog who might have been too hungry because he lost his owners in the storm, are directly attributable to the hurricane, then… please.

every person who gets sick and dies months after a storm comes through because the infrastructure is inadequate, or medical supplies aren’t available,
Do you not think it is possible and reasonable to look to the devastation of the roads and the ongoing lack of electricity and supplies as being factors for higher than normal death rates after Maria?
I know it is very unusual to put a death count that far out after a hurricane, but Maria was a very unusual circumstance, wasn't it? Perhaps we should have poured extensive resources into Puerto Rico to rebuild it, regardless of whose "responsibility" it was. But we don't like to spend money on Puerto Rico, do we? They are a poor relation, usually ignored. We won't make them a state because they are too broke.

Every election Puerto Rico is asked if they'd like to be part of the United States............and every vote for that .........they say no.

Congress asked Puerto Rico to vote on the statehood issue. It did. In June, Puerto Rico voted to join the United States as the 51st state. It's the fifth time the island has held a referendum on whether to join the republic.Jan 11, 2018

https://www.google.com/search?ei=ZZ....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.5.572....0.A7zAScg3zbM

I didn't realize they voted yes this time..........they have voted no so many times before.

 

[OldLady]

The Puerto Rican government is completely corrupt, and the deaths attributed to the Hurricane? Are now being counted 5 months out in an obvious attempt to attack Trump....is this fair?

The politics of calculating hurricane deaths

Here’s where we run into trouble. Look at the description of the methodology they used. It’s based on “a careful examination of all of the deaths officially reported to the government of Puerto Rico between September 2017 and February 2018… using state-of-the-art mathematical modeling to compare the total number of deaths during that time to the expected number of deaths, based on historical patterns as well as age, sex, socioeconomic status and migration from the island.”

They’re counting deaths which took place five months after the storm had passed.

Pardon my incredulousness over such a serious matter, but when did we start defining hurricane deaths in this fashion? When we think of people dying in a hurricane, we picture those who are washed out to sea, struck by flying debris, trapped under collapsed buildings, drowned in rising storm surge waters or even expiring from exposure while trapped on their roofs awaiting rescue. But at some point the storm is over and the immediate rescue and recovery operations are complete. People no doubt suffer ill effects from a deadly storm for some time to come, but that’s largely a matter of how good the medical and social support services available to them happen to be.

------

This new study of Maria, as indicated above, was looking at the number of people who probably would have died on average in each month following the storm going out to February fo the following year. Then they looked at the number of actual death certificates they could find (no matter what they died of) and any in excess of the projection were attributed to the storm. Five. Months. Later.

I’m not saying that there was or wasn’t any political bias involved in the compilation of the Milken Institute study, but that’s really not the point. The question is whether or not this is actual science. If you’re suggesting that every person who gets sick and dies months after a storm comes through because the infrastructure is inadequate, or medical supplies aren’t available, or because they were bitten by a dog who might have been too hungry because he lost his owners in the storm, are directly attributable to the hurricane, then… please.

every person who gets sick and dies months after a storm comes through because the infrastructure is inadequate, or medical supplies aren’t available,
Do you not think it is possible and reasonable to look to the devastation of the roads and the ongoing lack of electricity and supplies as being factors for higher than normal death rates after Maria?
I know it is very unusual to put a death count that far out after a hurricane, but Maria was a very unusual circumstance, wasn't it? Perhaps we should have poured extensive resources into Puerto Rico to rebuild it, regardless of whose "responsibility" it was. But we don't like to spend money on Puerto Rico, do we? They are a poor relation, usually ignored. We won't make them a state because they are too broke.

Every election Puerto Rico is asked if they'd like to be part of the United States............and every vote for that .........they say no.

Congress asked Puerto Rico to vote on the statehood issue. It did. In June, Puerto Rico voted to join the United States as the 51st state. It's the fifth time the island has held a referendum on whether to join the republic.Jan 11, 2018

https://www.google.com/search?ei=ZZ....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.5.572....0.A7zAScg3zbM

I didn't realize they voted yes this time..........they have voted no so many times before.

Somewhere I had read that they have voted yes twice, but I didn't take the time to go any futher into it.
I think when their economic problems became so severe, they changed their minds and wanted to become a state.

 

[eagle1462010]

The Puerto Rican government is completely corrupt, and the deaths attributed to the Hurricane? Are now being counted 5 months out in an obvious attempt to attack Trump....is this fair?

The politics of calculating hurricane deaths

Here’s where we run into trouble. Look at the description of the methodology they used. It’s based on “a careful examination of all of the deaths officially reported to the government of Puerto Rico between September 2017 and February 2018… using state-of-the-art mathematical modeling to compare the total number of deaths during that time to the expected number of deaths, based on historical patterns as well as age, sex, socioeconomic status and migration from the island.”

They’re counting deaths which took place five months after the storm had passed.

Pardon my incredulousness over such a serious matter, but when did we start defining hurricane deaths in this fashion? When we think of people dying in a hurricane, we picture those who are washed out to sea, struck by flying debris, trapped under collapsed buildings, drowned in rising storm surge waters or even expiring from exposure while trapped on their roofs awaiting rescue. But at some point the storm is over and the immediate rescue and recovery operations are complete. People no doubt suffer ill effects from a deadly storm for some time to come, but that’s largely a matter of how good the medical and social support services available to them happen to be.

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This new study of Maria, as indicated above, was looking at the number of people who probably would have died on average in each month following the storm going out to February fo the following year. Then they looked at the number of actual death certificates they could find (no matter what they died of) and any in excess of the projection were attributed to the storm. Five. Months. Later.

I’m not saying that there was or wasn’t any political bias involved in the compilation of the Milken Institute study, but that’s really not the point. The question is whether or not this is actual science. If you’re suggesting that every person who gets sick and dies months after a storm comes through because the infrastructure is inadequate, or medical supplies aren’t available, or because they were bitten by a dog who might have been too hungry because he lost his owners in the storm, are directly attributable to the hurricane, then… please.

every person who gets sick and dies months after a storm comes through because the infrastructure is inadequate, or medical supplies aren’t available,
Do you not think it is possible and reasonable to look to the devastation of the roads and the ongoing lack of electricity and supplies as being factors for higher than normal death rates after Maria?
I know it is very unusual to put a death count that far out after a hurricane, but Maria was a very unusual circumstance, wasn't it? Perhaps we should have poured extensive resources into Puerto Rico to rebuild it, regardless of whose "responsibility" it was. But we don't like to spend money on Puerto Rico, do we? They are a poor relation, usually ignored. We won't make them a state because they are too broke.

Every election Puerto Rico is asked if they'd like to be part of the United States............and every vote for that .........they say no.

Congress asked Puerto Rico to vote on the statehood issue. It did. In June, Puerto Rico voted to join the United States as the 51st state. It's the fifth time the island has held a referendum on whether to join the republic.Jan 11, 2018

https://www.google.com/search?ei=ZZ....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.5.572....0.A7zAScg3zbM

I didn't realize they voted yes this time..........they have voted no so many times before.

Somewhere I had read that they have voted yes twice, but I didn't take the time to go any futher into it.
I think when their economic problems became so severe, they changed their minds and wanted to become a state.

The article I read said only like 20% of the population voted in the election.........that most of the people didn't vote at all.........

Putting the grid through the jungle was a terrible idea.......the power plant should have been located closer to the San Juan..........I guess they didn't want the main power plant uglying up the main city...........FEMA can only repair via the law what was damaged............

Easier solutions should have occurred.............I do believe San Juan would have been better off just putting in a new power plant on that side of the Island......perhaps a gas turbine plant close to access to the harbor where it would be easier to get the gas.

 

[eagle1462010]

go to about 6;30 and watch.........they put a 50 MW temporary transformer in San Juan..........which was exactly what I said in the other post.


Jesus........62000 poles.....needed .......ouch

 

[ABikerSailor]

Umm...................you DO know that PR is not the Virgin Islands, right? They are separated by approx. 179 km of open water.

 

[eagle1462010]

Rebuilding Puerto Rico’s Power Grid: The Inside Story

Instead, PREPA quietly inked a one-year, no-bid contract for $300 million with Whitefish Energy Holdings, a two-person firm in Montana with little experience in grid repair or disaster recovery. Ramos said of the six contractors he considered, Whitefish was the only one that didn’t stipulate a large up-front deposit. Close scrutiny of the contract revealed unusual provisions, such as higher-than-normal rates for labor, per diem expenses, and travel—as well as a clause stating the work could not be audited.

A second no-bid contract for $187 million went to Cobra Acquisitions, a subsidiary of the Oklahoma-based fracking company Mammoth Energy Services. Like Whitefish, Mammoth has no experience with a recovery project this big. Its contract also stated that the firm could not be audited, although Cobra eventually agreed to remove that language. That contract has since swelled to $945 million, a fivefold increase.

PREPA officials have denied any wrongdoing, and Whitefish and Cobra note that they each deployed hundreds of crew members and shiploads’ worth of heavy equipment. The contractors’ linemen helped advance initial repair work along a handful of transmission lines, PREPA’s Soto confirms.

PREPA officials have denied any wrongdoing, and Whitefish and Cobra note that they each deployed hundreds of crew members and shiploads’ worth of heavy equipment. The contractors’ linemen helped advance initial repair work along a handful of transmission lines, PREPA’s Soto confirms.

However, the controversy over the contracts and the slow recovery infuriated Puerto Ricans and further eroded public trust in the utility. Finally, on 31 October, Ramos announced that PREPA was canceling the Whitefish contract, and he requested mutual aid from the American Public Power Association and the Edison Electric Institute, industry groups that represent hundreds of utilities. On 17 November, Ramos resigned.

Wearing dark sunglasses and a bright orange hard hat, he stands atop a red dirt hill in Guaynabo, a western suburb of San Juan. “Go as slow as possible,” he says into a walkie-talkie, watching as linemen in a bucket truck secure a 115-kV line to a new steel pole. Green iguanas scurry in the tall grass by the road.




There's the dirty end of it........Preppa San Juan's only power company using the storm to get money since they were already bankrupt.......brought in companies that weren't up to snuff...............

Go as slow as possible...............jerks made it a time and material job with kick backs.........go figure.

 

[ABikerSailor]

The Puerto Rican government is completely corrupt, and the deaths attributed to the Hurricane? Are now being counted 5 months out in an obvious attempt to attack Trump....is this fair?

The politics of calculating hurricane deaths

Here’s where we run into trouble. Look at the description of the methodology they used. It’s based on “a careful examination of all of the deaths officially reported to the government of Puerto Rico between September 2017 and February 2018… using state-of-the-art mathematical modeling to compare the total number of deaths during that time to the expected number of deaths, based on historical patterns as well as age, sex, socioeconomic status and migration from the island.”

They’re counting deaths which took place five months after the storm had passed.

Pardon my incredulousness over such a serious matter, but when did we start defining hurricane deaths in this fashion? When we think of people dying in a hurricane, we picture those who are washed out to sea, struck by flying debris, trapped under collapsed buildings, drowned in rising storm surge waters or even expiring from exposure while trapped on their roofs awaiting rescue. But at some point the storm is over and the immediate rescue and recovery operations are complete. People no doubt suffer ill effects from a deadly storm for some time to come, but that’s largely a matter of how good the medical and social support services available to them happen to be.

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This new study of Maria, as indicated above, was looking at the number of people who probably would have died on average in each month following the storm going out to February fo the following year. Then they looked at the number of actual death certificates they could find (no matter what they died of) and any in excess of the projection were attributed to the storm. Five. Months. Later.

I’m not saying that there was or wasn’t any political bias involved in the compilation of the Milken Institute study, but that’s really not the point. The question is whether or not this is actual science. If you’re suggesting that every person who gets sick and dies months after a storm comes through because the infrastructure is inadequate, or medical supplies aren’t available, or because they were bitten by a dog who might have been too hungry because he lost his owners in the storm, are directly attributable to the hurricane, then… please.

every person who gets sick and dies months after a storm comes through because the infrastructure is inadequate, or medical supplies aren’t available,
Do you not think it is possible and reasonable to look to the devastation of the roads and the ongoing lack of electricity and supplies as being factors for higher than normal death rates after Maria?
I know it is very unusual to put a death count that far out after a hurricane, but Maria was a very unusual circumstance, wasn't it? Perhaps we should have poured extensive resources into Puerto Rico to rebuild it, regardless of whose "responsibility" it was. But we don't like to spend money on Puerto Rico, do we? They are a poor relation, usually ignored. We won't make them a state because they are too broke.

Every election Puerto Rico is asked if they'd like to be part of the United States............and every vote for that .........they say no.

Google is your friend. It can help you from making bullshit claims like PR never wanted to be a state.

Statehood movement in Puerto Rico - Wikipedia

The statehood movement in Puerto Rico aims to make Puerto Rico a state of the United States. Five referenda have been held on the topic, most recently in 2017. The population of Puerto Rico as of 2015 was over 3 million people and larger than 21 states.[1].

In November 2012, a referendum, the fourth as of that date, was held. A full 54.00% voted "No" to maintaining the current political status. Of those who voted against remaining a Commonwealth, 61.11% chose statehood, 33.34% chose free association, and 5.55% chose independence.[2][3][4][5] On December 11, 2012, the Legislative Assembly of Puerto Rico enacted a concurrent resolution requesting the President and the Congress of the United States to respond diligently and effectively on the demand of the people of Puerto Rico to end its current political status and to begin the transition of Puerto Rico to become a state of the union.[6]

In 2014, resolutions were introduced in both houses of the United States Congress (H.R. 2000; S. 2020) to hold a yes-or-no referendum among the residents of Puerto Rico on statehood. If a "yes" majority prevailed, the President would have been required to submit legislation to Congress enacting Puerto Rican statehood.[7][8] Both resolutions died in committee.[9]

A fifth referendum was held on June 11, 2017. Those who voted overwhelmingly chose statehood by 97.18% with 1.50% favoring independence and 1.32% maintaining commonwealth status; turnout, however, was 23%, a historically low figure.[10] This figure is attributed to a boycott led by the pro-status quo PPD party.[11]

After Hurricane Maria hit Puerto Rico, in June 2018, Rep. Jenniffer González filed a bill that would pave way for Puerto Rico to become a state in 2021.[12]

 

[eagle1462010]

Umm...................you DO know that PR is not the Virgin Islands, right? They are separated by approx. 179 km of open water.

Yeah..........so ..........the argument was made by some that there was no Navy presence there........that was in response to that.........They were indeed there..........as a matter of fact that same group picked up FEMA workers in Puerto Rico before Maria hit for their safety.

So .......yeah..........I knew that.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Umm...................you DO know that PR is not the Virgin Islands, right? They are separated by approx. 179 km of open water.

Yeah..........so ..........the argument was made by some that there was no Navy presence there........that was in response to that.........They were indeed there..........as a matter of fact that same group picked up FEMA workers in Puerto Rico before Maria hit for their safety.

So .......yeah..........I knew that.

Showing Navy ships in the VI isn't a response to PR. Why? Because 179 km is too far to do any kind of VERTREP (helo replenishment), nor can you shoot a cable across the two islands for an UNREP. How do I know these things? Because I was stationed on a combat stores ship my first tour. The max they would do for helo replenishment was around 5 miles or less.