Can Atheists be Moral?

[sealybobo]

I love it that the biggest sin in Christianity is not believing Christianity. LOL

I have yet to read anything you write about Christianity be true. You create more straw men than Old McDonald.

Knock em down ding. Knock them down

Why? They fall over under their own weight.

We shall see

 

[sealybobo]

Of course athiests can be moral...or immoral. That is a perfect reason for Christians can be guilty of breaking a commandment and still be a Christian. It's called asking God for forgiveness. Athiests just ask a mortal for forgiveness when they want it.

Atheists cannot be moral, because they base morality on personal or social acceptance. Morality must be based on the acceptance or rejection of an impartial third party.

Can a murderer be moral? Well, he may choose to do something moral; however, he also has done something immoral. The immoral deed trumps all the individual's moral deeds in GOD's eyes. Only through the saving grace of GOD through the Messiah does GOD extend forgiveness of sin.

Ding disagrees. Ding?

 

[sealybobo]

Of course athiests can be moral...or immoral. That is a perfect reason for Christians can be guilty of breaking a commandment and still be a Christian. It's called asking God for forgiveness. Athiests just ask a mortal for forgiveness when they want it.

When you ask god for forgiveness you are really asking yourself for forgiveness

 

[danielpalos]

can it be moral to have a Happy camper policy and not let women call me on it?

 

[ding]

Of course athiests can be moral...or immoral. That is a perfect reason for Christians can be guilty of breaking a commandment and still be a Christian. It's called asking God for forgiveness. Athiests just ask a mortal for forgiveness when they want it.

When you ask god for forgiveness you are really asking yourself for forgiveness

No. There are actually three parties you should ask forgiveness from.

 

[RWS]

Yep. You're asking forgiveness for yourself, for your parents that forced you to believe it, and for the entire evil religion that forced your parents to believe it. .

 

[RWS]

Atheists don't have those sins to worry about. All religions have sins they have committed, to get followers and armies to join their ranks. Murders, rapes, abductions, trafficking, drugs, etc...

Atheists don't have that burden, and they use true morals, based on earth, and logic, and science, to dictate our lives. We do the right thing. We just don't believe in these "fantasy gods".

And the rules they tell us to follow.

 

[Bonzi]

Atheists probably adopt the "general agreement" on morality. Morality without God, is defined by society. Not to say it will be accepted by all, but, nothing is absolute.

The only reason for morality in a godless society is for the benefit and that society. The only reason for morality in a godless person is for the benefit of the person. No one is self sacrificial for others for no reason, as, we are all selfish by nature.

First, long time no see b.

2. Morality with god is defined by the people who invented the religion. Are you suggesting god told your cult what morality is and is not? How come he didn’t teach you not to be mean to gays? He didn’t cover that. He only told you gay sex is bad.

3. Why are you moral besides for your own benefit? I want to see if Christians are any different than us on your last point. Why are you moral? For selfish reasons. You want to go to heaven. I don’t need the threat of hell to make me be good.

Okay so I'm just speaking from the Christian point of view. I used to be very involved in Church, that is not to say that I am an atheist or agnostic now. I'm just (trying) to speak objectively.....

I would venture to guess that most Christians get their moral code from the Bible, the 10 commandments and such.
I would venture to guess that most of those that are not God or "other being" believers or worshipers, get their moral code from their parents, authoritative figures and society... and, of course, any built in conscience we have.

Sorry, but, I don't think people are instinctively altruistic, but the opposite, selfish. Anything we do for others is for our own benefit - e.g. to look good to others, to avoid people looking down on us or thinking badly of us, or, to make ourselves feel superior or better about ourselves.

 

[sealybobo]

Atheists probably adopt the "general agreement" on morality. Morality without God, is defined by society. Not to say it will be accepted by all, but, nothing is absolute.

The only reason for morality in a godless society is for the benefit and that society. The only reason for morality in a godless person is for the benefit of the person. No one is self sacrificial for others for no reason, as, we are all selfish by nature.

First, long time no see b.

2. Morality with god is defined by the people who invented the religion. Are you suggesting god told your cult what morality is and is not? How come he didn’t teach you not to be mean to gays? He didn’t cover that. He only told you gay sex is bad.

3. Why are you moral besides for your own benefit? I want to see if Christians are any different than us on your last point. Why are you moral? For selfish reasons. You want to go to heaven. I don’t need the threat of hell to make me be good.

Okay so I'm just speaking from the Christian point of view. I used to be very involved in Church, that is not to say that I am an atheist or agnostic now. I'm just (trying) to speak objectively.....

I would venture to guess that most Christians get their moral code from the Bible, the 10 commandments and such.
I would venture to guess that most of those that are not God or "other being" believers or worshipers, get their moral code from their parents, authoritative figures and society... and, of course, any built in conscience we have.

Sorry, but, I don't think people are instinctively altruistic, but the opposite, selfish. Anything we do for others is for our own benefit - e.g. to look good to others, to avoid people looking down on us or thinking badly of us, or, to make ourselves feel superior or better about ourselves.

I agree we are all selfish. Don’t think you are serving god for any other reason than to win his favor and be rewarded.

But when I do something nice for a stranger the only thing I get is I feel good about it.

 

[sealybobo]

Of course athiests can be moral...or immoral. That is a perfect reason for Christians can be guilty of breaking a commandment and still be a Christian. It's called asking God for forgiveness. Athiests just ask a mortal for forgiveness when they want it.

Atheists cannot be moral, because they base morality on personal or social acceptance. Morality must be based on the acceptance or rejection of an impartial third party.

Can a murderer be moral? Well, he may choose to do something moral; however, he also has done something immoral. The immoral deed trumps all the individual's moral deeds in GOD's eyes. Only through the saving grace of GOD through the Messiah does GOD extend forgiveness of sin.

Not many atheists are murderers. So I don't understand how you can compare.

However, many religious people ARE MURDERERS, and if not already murderers, they have the murder spirit in their heart. How do you feel about that?

I wouldn't be so sure... Quite prison inmates become "saved" while in prison. Jeffery Dahmer is a case in point. Ask anyone in jail how often they were attending Sunday School and Church services before they got into trouble and I am rather certain that it had been Y E A R S ---- if ever. Of course it could be argued that attending church doesn't make one a Christian. HOWEVER, not attending doesn't encourage a healthy spiritual lifestyle given societies' seeming lack of propriety...

.

Jeffery Dahmer is a case in point.

maybe a fellow sinner might think so, nipper - an irredeemable sin, what can not be given back is unforgivable ... sorry, J will not be able to help you in your case nipper and for the truthful the Almighty has already spoken.

how about you nipper how do you reconcile being a sinner and at the same time claiming to be a moral person. funny how you and bing fit the bill.

There is only ONE unforgivable sin. That is the rejection of the Holy Spirit. There is no other unforgivable sin. And the Holy Spirit testifies within the heart of man that Jesus is the Messiah/Christ. So, to reject Jesus as either God in the flesh or the Messiah, is part and parcel to the unforgivable sin.

Ding thinks you are misinterpreting this scripture. He believes I haven’t rejected anything other than your stories. One day when I see the messiah and the truth I will either accept or reject him. This has yet to happen

Sure if I saw and rejected him then off to hell but who would do that?

Is he right you are misinterpreting this?

 

[BreezeWood]

Atheists cannot be moral, because they base morality on personal or social acceptance. Morality must be based on the acceptance or rejection of an impartial third party.

Can a murderer be moral? Well, he may choose to do something moral; however, he also has done something immoral. The immoral deed trumps all the individual's moral deeds in GOD's eyes. Only through the saving grace of GOD through the Messiah does GOD extend forgiveness of sin.

Not many atheists are murderers. So I don't understand how you can compare.

However, many religious people ARE MURDERERS, and if not already murderers, they have the murder spirit in their heart. How do you feel about that?

I wouldn't be so sure... Quite prison inmates become "saved" while in prison. Jeffery Dahmer is a case in point. Ask anyone in jail how often they were attending Sunday School and Church services before they got into trouble and I am rather certain that it had been Y E A R S ---- if ever. Of course it could be argued that attending church doesn't make one a Christian. HOWEVER, not attending doesn't encourage a healthy spiritual lifestyle given societies' seeming lack of propriety...

.

Jeffery Dahmer is a case in point.

maybe a fellow sinner might think so, nipper - an irredeemable sin, what can not be given back is unforgivable ... sorry, J will not be able to help you in your case nipper and for the truthful the Almighty has already spoken.

how about you nipper how do you reconcile being a sinner and at the same time claiming to be a moral person. funny how you and bing fit the bill.

There is only ONE unforgivable sin. That is the rejection of the Holy Spirit. There is no other unforgivable sin. And the Holy Spirit testifies within the heart of man that Jesus is the Messiah/Christ. So, to reject Jesus as either God in the flesh or the Messiah, is part and parcel to the unforgivable sin.

Ding thinks you are misinterpreting this scripture. He believes I haven’t rejected anything other than your stories. One day when I see the messiah and the truth I will either accept or reject him. This has yet to happen

Sure if I saw and rejected him then off to hell but who would do that?

Is he right you are misinterpreting this?

.

One day when I see the messiah and the truth I will either accept or reject him.

good luck on your one day as having accomplished the prescribed requirements for such a feat to know the truth. that is more than just a reflection. before your passing.

 

[ding]

Atheists cannot be moral, because they base morality on personal or social acceptance. Morality must be based on the acceptance or rejection of an impartial third party.

Can a murderer be moral? Well, he may choose to do something moral; however, he also has done something immoral. The immoral deed trumps all the individual's moral deeds in GOD's eyes. Only through the saving grace of GOD through the Messiah does GOD extend forgiveness of sin.

Not many atheists are murderers. So I don't understand how you can compare.

However, many religious people ARE MURDERERS, and if not already murderers, they have the murder spirit in their heart. How do you feel about that?

I wouldn't be so sure... Quite prison inmates become "saved" while in prison. Jeffery Dahmer is a case in point. Ask anyone in jail how often they were attending Sunday School and Church services before they got into trouble and I am rather certain that it had been Y E A R S ---- if ever. Of course it could be argued that attending church doesn't make one a Christian. HOWEVER, not attending doesn't encourage a healthy spiritual lifestyle given societies' seeming lack of propriety...

.

Jeffery Dahmer is a case in point.

maybe a fellow sinner might think so, nipper - an irredeemable sin, what can not be given back is unforgivable ... sorry, J will not be able to help you in your case nipper and for the truthful the Almighty has already spoken.

how about you nipper how do you reconcile being a sinner and at the same time claiming to be a moral person. funny how you and bing fit the bill.

There is only ONE unforgivable sin. That is the rejection of the Holy Spirit. There is no other unforgivable sin. And the Holy Spirit testifies within the heart of man that Jesus is the Messiah/Christ. So, to reject Jesus as either God in the flesh or the Messiah, is part and parcel to the unforgivable sin.

Ding thinks you are misinterpreting this scripture. He believes I haven’t rejected anything other than your stories. One day when I see the messiah and the truth I will either accept or reject him. This has yet to happen

Sure if I saw and rejected him then off to hell but who would do that?

Is he right you are misinterpreting this?

You may not be the last person I would want to speak for me but you are on the short list.

 

[ding]

Atheists cannot be moral, because they base morality on personal or social acceptance. Morality must be based on the acceptance or rejection of an impartial third party.

Can a murderer be moral? Well, he may choose to do something moral; however, he also has done something immoral. The immoral deed trumps all the individual's moral deeds in GOD's eyes. Only through the saving grace of GOD through the Messiah does GOD extend forgiveness of sin.

Not many atheists are murderers. So I don't understand how you can compare.

However, many religious people ARE MURDERERS, and if not already murderers, they have the murder spirit in their heart. How do you feel about that?

I wouldn't be so sure... Quite prison inmates become "saved" while in prison. Jeffery Dahmer is a case in point. Ask anyone in jail how often they were attending Sunday School and Church services before they got into trouble and I am rather certain that it had been Y E A R S ---- if ever. Of course it could be argued that attending church doesn't make one a Christian. HOWEVER, not attending doesn't encourage a healthy spiritual lifestyle given societies' seeming lack of propriety...

.

Jeffery Dahmer is a case in point.

maybe a fellow sinner might think so, nipper - an irredeemable sin, what can not be given back is unforgivable ... sorry, J will not be able to help you in your case nipper and for the truthful the Almighty has already spoken.

how about you nipper how do you reconcile being a sinner and at the same time claiming to be a moral person. funny how you and bing fit the bill.

There is only ONE unforgivable sin. That is the rejection of the Holy Spirit. There is no other unforgivable sin. And the Holy Spirit testifies within the heart of man that Jesus is the Messiah/Christ. So, to reject Jesus as either God in the flesh or the Messiah, is part and parcel to the unforgivable sin.

Ding thinks you are misinterpreting this scripture. He believes I haven’t rejected anything other than your stories. One day when I see the messiah and the truth I will either accept or reject him. This has yet to happen

Sure if I saw and rejected him then off to hell but who would do that?

Is he right you are misinterpreting this?

I don’t believe it is as simple as that.

If you lead others down the wrong path you just might find yourself accountable.

 

[Mike Dwight]

The only valid society, family, True Parents, and life lived, in my new, non-denominational, Rite of Spring Church. We are doing Original Religion. Like this, Pagan Russia 'marriage'. Sacrifice bride to death because liberty is between a bunch of dudes and one girl. First Act. Old Woman throws sticks. Act 2: Man kiss earth, sees sky! (this one) AAct 3 : The dance, you are married now! Act 4: Communism will delete your 1913 play, that is communism comrade.

 

[RWS]

Atheists probably adopt the "general agreement" on morality. Morality without God, is defined by society. Not to say it will be accepted by all, but, nothing is absolute.

The only reason for morality in a godless society is for the benefit and that society. The only reason for morality in a godless person is for the benefit of the person. No one is self sacrificial for others for no reason, as, we are all selfish by nature.

First, long time no see b.

2. Morality with god is defined by the people who invented the religion. Are you suggesting god told your cult what morality is and is not? How come he didn’t teach you not to be mean to gays? He didn’t cover that. He only told you gay sex is bad.

3. Why are you moral besides for your own benefit? I want to see if Christians are any different than us on your last point. Why are you moral? For selfish reasons. You want to go to heaven. I don’t need the threat of hell to make me be good.

Okay so I'm just speaking from the Christian point of view. I used to be very involved in Church, that is not to say that I am an atheist or agnostic now. I'm just (trying) to speak objectively.....

I would venture to guess that most Christians get their moral code from the Bible, the 10 commandments and such.
I would venture to guess that most of those that are not God or "other being" believers or worshipers, get their moral code from their parents, authoritative figures and society... and, of course, any built in conscience we have.

Sorry, but, I don't think people are instinctively altruistic, but the opposite, selfish. Anything we do for others is for our own benefit - e.g. to look good to others, to avoid people looking down on us or thinking badly of us, or, to make ourselves feel superior or better about ourselves.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I am of the thinking that conscious beings are altruisti, in the grand scheme of things.

I think organisms such as mammals get to the point where they can think for themselves. And understand that killing each other is a detriment to society. But then further with humans, religions kick in, and they say it's ok to kill each other...

I'd rather go with the natural way. I don't understand why humans must kill each other over differences in religion.

 

[RWS]

Ding and I have been arguing about religion for like friggin forever!

We're not dropping bombs and killing each other over it, we're just having a silly discussion that will never end...

Why did peeps back then need to kill each other over it? And to this day?

Why couldn't they, like, come to an agreement to disagree?

 

[RWS]

Actually, the argument will end when I die, and then I'll find out the truth.

And I will find a way to tell it you from the beyond. But if there is no beyond, then shit, you won't hear a peep from me... dang...

Gotta figure this shit out.

 

[RWS]

But shite, that won't happen for at least 50 years, i hope... So I have time to think about it.

Actually Harry Houdini said he would find a way to communicate from his afterlife. We need a seance.

 

[RWS]

Are we ready to call upon the spirit of the great Houdini?

 

[RWS]

I'm ready for the friggin seance.

Anybody know how to do it?

If Houdini can't do it, than nobody can. We need to get Mr Houdini in our minds, and gather him here... to tell of his afterlife.