Can Atheists be Moral?

[RWS]

who's got a ouija board?

 

[RWS]

oh shit, i heard him, he came through my speakers....

This is the word of god....

 

[RWS]

Let me turn you on to some shit...

This is great music! And btw, you have to find a way to watch the movie "Chef", jus sayin... hard to find, great movie!!! This is also from "Chef". friggin awesome...

 

[sealybobo]

Ding and I have been arguing about religion for like friggin forever!

We're not dropping bombs and killing each other over it, we're just having a silly discussion that will never end...

Why did peeps back then need to kill each other over it? And to this day?

Why couldn't they, like, come to an agreement to disagree?

It wasn’t until Moses was the first person to claim he saw god. Until that people pondered but no one ever claimed to definitely know

But remember even canabals on remote islands were sacrificing women to their gods before that.

I think god made the most sense when it was the sun. The sun is god to us. We would give thanks during the day and pray at night it would return tomorrow.

 

[noonereal]

Many theists believe it is clear-cut. Humans can only have opinions about morality, and no one’s opinion is any more valid than anyone else’s. This leads them to the conclusion that an objective source of morality must stand apart from, and above, humans. That source, they say, is God. Since atheists, reject God, atheists can have no basis for morality.

This is really two separate arguments: (1) that God is the source of objective morality and humans can learn morality from God and (2) that humans on their own have no way to know what is moral and what is not.

Can atheists be moral? - Atheist Alliance International

What an ignorant thread.

 

[RWS]

Ding and I have been arguing about religion for like friggin forever!

We're not dropping bombs and killing each other over it, we're just having a silly discussion that will never end...

Why did peeps back then need to kill each other over it? And to this day?

Why couldn't they, like, come to an agreement to disagree?

It wasn’t until Moses was the first person to claim he saw god. Until that people pondered but no one ever claimed to definitely know

But remember even canabals on remote islands were sacrificing women to their gods before that.

I think god made the most sense when it was the sun. The sun is god to us. We would give thanks during the day and pray at night it would return tomorrow.

We have been pondering shit since we had the ability to look into the sky, and wonder why. And we made some unwise choices based on that.

This is the best video I have found so far to explain, what you said, and the truth.

 

[ding]

Ding and I have been arguing about religion for like friggin forever!

We're not dropping bombs and killing each other over it, we're just having a silly discussion that will never end...

Why did peeps back then need to kill each other over it? And to this day?

Why couldn't they, like, come to an agreement to disagree?

It wasn’t until Moses was the first person to claim he saw god. Until that people pondered but no one ever claimed to definitely know

But remember even canabals on remote islands were sacrificing women to their gods before that.

I think god made the most sense when it was the sun. The sun is god to us. We would give thanks during the day and pray at night it would return tomorrow.

Moses was the first Jew to record the account of Genesis. It had been passed down orally from generation to generation for thousands of years.

 

[ding]

Ding and I have been arguing about religion for like friggin forever!

We're not dropping bombs and killing each other over it, we're just having a silly discussion that will never end...

Why did peeps back then need to kill each other over it? And to this day?

Why couldn't they, like, come to an agreement to disagree?

It wasn’t until Moses was the first person to claim he saw god. Until that people pondered but no one ever claimed to definitely know

But remember even canabals on remote islands were sacrificing women to their gods before that.

I think god made the most sense when it was the sun. The sun is god to us. We would give thanks during the day and pray at night it would return tomorrow.

We have been pondering shit since we had the ability to look into the sky, and wonder why. And we made some unwise choices based on that.

This is the best video I have found so far to explain, what you said, and the truth.

Actually we are hardwired to worship. It’s in our nature. Absent worshipping a creator we will worship man. Why do you think Kings existed?

So your explanation turns out to be too simplistic.

In fact, the reason both of you post here is that you are subconsciously drawn to discussing God. You secretly desire to be convinced. There’s something missing in your lives and you don’t even know it but you can feel it.

As far as atheists go, the ones who post here arguing against God are in the minority. You are the minority within the minority.

The rest are either at peace or are too busy with their day to day lives.

People don’t believe in God because they ponder their existence. People believe in God because they were made to worship God.

Your problem is that you don’t understand what worship means because I am certain the original meaning of worshiping is lost on you. Of course it is lost on most people which is why the world is the way it is.

 

[BreezeWood]

Your problem is that you don’t understand what worship means because I am certain the original meaning of worshiping is lost on you. Of course it is lost on most people which is why the world is the way it is.

that does not explain the desert religions, they are political documents disguised as religions for anterior motives, primarily a socio economic barrier for a select group rather for the general good.

embellished stories for their own demise. worshiping in of itself being their weakness and final error.

 

[RWS]

Ding and I have been arguing about religion for like friggin forever!

We're not dropping bombs and killing each other over it, we're just having a silly discussion that will never end...

Why did peeps back then need to kill each other over it? And to this day?

Why couldn't they, like, come to an agreement to disagree?

It wasn’t until Moses was the first person to claim he saw god. Until that people pondered but no one ever claimed to definitely know

But remember even canabals on remote islands were sacrificing women to their gods before that.

I think god made the most sense when it was the sun. The sun is god to us. We would give thanks during the day and pray at night it would return tomorrow.

We have been pondering shit since we had the ability to look into the sky, and wonder why. And we made some unwise choices based on that.

This is the best video I have found so far to explain, what you said, and the truth.

Actually we are hardwired to worship. It’s in our nature. Absent worshipping a creator we will worship man. Why do you think Kings existed?

So your explanation turns out to be too simplistic.

In fact, the reason both of you post here is that you are subconsciously drawn to discussing God. You secretly desire to be convinced. There’s something missing in your lives and you don’t even know it but you can feel it.

As far as atheists go, the ones who post here arguing against God are in the minority. You are the minority within the minority.

The rest are either at peace or are too busy with their day to day lives.

People don’t believe in God because they ponder their existence. People believe in God because they were made to worship God.

Your problem is that you don’t understand what worship means because I am certain the original meaning of worshiping is lost on you. Of course it is lost on most people which is why the world is the way it is.

My argument, is if you would let it be, and not create "gods" and "religions", the world would be a much better place.

How is your religion more right than, say, Islam ofrJudaism?

 

[RWS]

Ding and I have been arguing about religion for like friggin forever!

We're not dropping bombs and killing each other over it, we're just having a silly discussion that will never end...

Why did peeps back then need to kill each other over it? And to this day?

Why couldn't they, like, come to an agreement to disagree?

It wasn’t until Moses was the first person to claim he saw god. Until that people pondered but no one ever claimed to definitely know

But remember even canabals on remote islands were sacrificing women to their gods before that.

I think god made the most sense when it was the sun. The sun is god to us. We would give thanks during the day and pray at night it would return tomorrow.

We have been pondering shit since we had the ability to look into the sky, and wonder why. And we made some unwise choices based on that.

This is the best video I have found so far to explain, what you said, and the truth.

Actually we are hardwired to worship. It’s in our nature. Absent worshipping a creator we will worship man. Why do you think Kings existed?

So your explanation turns out to be too simplistic.

In fact, the reason both of you post here is that you are subconsciously drawn to discussing God. You secretly desire to be convinced. There’s something missing in your lives and you don’t even know it but you can feel it.

As far as atheists go, the ones who post here arguing against God are in the minority. You are the minority within the minority.

The rest are either at peace or are too busy with their day to day lives.

People don’t believe in God because they ponder their existence. People believe in God because they were made to worship God.

Your problem is that you don’t understand what worship means because I am certain the original meaning of worshiping is lost on you. Of course it is lost on most people which is why the world is the way it is.

My argument, is if you would let it be, and not create "gods" and "religions", the world would be a much better place.

How is your religion more right than, say, Islam of Judaism. ?

Why are you right and everyone else is wrong?

 

[Bonzi]

Atheists probably adopt the "general agreement" on morality. Morality without God, is defined by society. Not to say it will be accepted by all, but, nothing is absolute.

The only reason for morality in a godless society is for the benefit and that society. The only reason for morality in a godless person is for the benefit of the person. No one is self sacrificial for others for no reason, as, we are all selfish by nature.

First, long time no see b.

2. Morality with god is defined by the people who invented the religion. Are you suggesting god told your cult what morality is and is not? How come he didn’t teach you not to be mean to gays? He didn’t cover that. He only told you gay sex is bad.

3. Why are you moral besides for your own benefit? I want to see if Christians are any different than us on your last point. Why are you moral? For selfish reasons. You want to go to heaven. I don’t need the threat of hell to make me be good.

Okay so I'm just speaking from the Christian point of view. I used to be very involved in Church, that is not to say that I am an atheist or agnostic now. I'm just (trying) to speak objectively.....

I would venture to guess that most Christians get their moral code from the Bible, the 10 commandments and such.
I would venture to guess that most of those that are not God or "other being" believers or worshipers, get their moral code from their parents, authoritative figures and society... and, of course, any built in conscience we have.

Sorry, but, I don't think people are instinctively altruistic, but the opposite, selfish. Anything we do for others is for our own benefit - e.g. to look good to others, to avoid people looking down on us or thinking badly of us, or, to make ourselves feel superior or better about ourselves.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I am of the thinking that conscious beings are altruisti, in the grand scheme of things.

I think organisms such as mammals get to the point where they can think for themselves. And understand that killing each other is a detriment to society. But then further with humans, religions kick in, and they say it's ok to kill each other...

I'd rather go with the natural way. I don't understand why humans must kill each other over differences in religion.

Most religious people do NOT do that. It all boils down to brainwashing and control for these types of religions. If we lived naturally, it would not be all kumbaya, but, PC would be out the window and we would hurt or kill others if they were a threat to us. Of course, we are talking with no police or organized society and if we lived truly in a natural state. The way we live now in society is NOT natural at all.

 

[danielpalos]

Can it be moral to lie to us and let us miss our turn?

 

[Bonzi]

Atheists probably adopt the "general agreement" on morality. Morality without God, is defined by society. Not to say it will be accepted by all, but, nothing is absolute.

The only reason for morality in a godless society is for the benefit and that society. The only reason for morality in a godless person is for the benefit of the person. No one is self sacrificial for others for no reason, as, we are all selfish by nature.

First, long time no see b.

2. Morality with god is defined by the people who invented the religion. Are you suggesting god told your cult what morality is and is not? How come he didn’t teach you not to be mean to gays? He didn’t cover that. He only told you gay sex is bad.

3. Why are you moral besides for your own benefit? I want to see if Christians are any different than us on your last point. Why are you moral? For selfish reasons. You want to go to heaven. I don’t need the threat of hell to make me be good.

Okay so I'm just speaking from the Christian point of view. I used to be very involved in Church, that is not to say that I am an atheist or agnostic now. I'm just (trying) to speak objectively.....

I would venture to guess that most Christians get their moral code from the Bible, the 10 commandments and such.
I would venture to guess that most of those that are not God or "other being" believers or worshipers, get their moral code from their parents, authoritative figures and society... and, of course, any built in conscience we have.

Sorry, but, I don't think people are instinctively altruistic, but the opposite, selfish. Anything we do for others is for our own benefit - e.g. to look good to others, to avoid people looking down on us or thinking badly of us, or, to make ourselves feel superior or better about ourselves.

I agree we are all selfish. Don’t think you are serving god for any other reason than to win his favor and be rewarded.

But when I do something nice for a stranger the only thing I get is I feel good about it.

Some people "serve" God because they realize that you are happier when you are living for someone other than yourself. That being said, I think you'd be happier with your focus and concern being on someone else whether it's God or just another person. So whether you are being nice to "God" or someone else, same result.

 

[sealybobo]

Ding and I have been arguing about religion for like friggin forever!

We're not dropping bombs and killing each other over it, we're just having a silly discussion that will never end...

Why did peeps back then need to kill each other over it? And to this day?

Why couldn't they, like, come to an agreement to disagree?

It wasn’t until Moses was the first person to claim he saw god. Until that people pondered but no one ever claimed to definitely know

But remember even canabals on remote islands were sacrificing women to their gods before that.

I think god made the most sense when it was the sun. The sun is god to us. We would give thanks during the day and pray at night it would return tomorrow.

Moses was the first Jew to record the account of Genesis. It had been passed down orally from generation to generation for thousands of years.

No someone else was the first to record the Moses character and supposedly Moses spoke to or saw god.

Show me Moses writings. His original copy. Notes. Scribbles. Anything from moses

 

[sealybobo]

Ding and I have been arguing about religion for like friggin forever!

We're not dropping bombs and killing each other over it, we're just having a silly discussion that will never end...

Why did peeps back then need to kill each other over it? And to this day?

Why couldn't they, like, come to an agreement to disagree?

It wasn’t until Moses was the first person to claim he saw god. Until that people pondered but no one ever claimed to definitely know

But remember even canabals on remote islands were sacrificing women to their gods before that.

I think god made the most sense when it was the sun. The sun is god to us. We would give thanks during the day and pray at night it would return tomorrow.

We have been pondering shit since we had the ability to look into the sky, and wonder why. And we made some unwise choices based on that.

This is the best video I have found so far to explain, what you said, and the truth.

Actually we are hardwired to worship. It’s in our nature. Absent worshipping a creator we will worship man. Why do you think Kings existed?

So your explanation turns out to be too simplistic.

In fact, the reason both of you post here is that you are subconsciously drawn to discussing God. You secretly desire to be convinced. There’s something missing in your lives and you don’t even know it but you can feel it.

As far as atheists go, the ones who post here arguing against God are in the minority. You are the minority within the minority.

The rest are either at peace or are too busy with their day to day lives.

People don’t believe in God because they ponder their existence. People believe in God because they were made to worship God.

Your problem is that you don’t understand what worship means because I am certain the original meaning of worshiping is lost on you. Of course it is lost on most people which is why the world is the way it is.

So we are born to be herded sheep, followers, group mentality.

Yes, to most people it’s not that important in their lives. They willfully ignorantly just believe because they want to and they were brainwashed by others

I wonder if two people were born on a deserted island if they would come up with god. They may look around and ignorantly believe the world was made for them. They may even worship the sun. I do

 

[sealybobo]

Atheists probably adopt the "general agreement" on morality. Morality without God, is defined by society. Not to say it will be accepted by all, but, nothing is absolute.

The only reason for morality in a godless society is for the benefit and that society. The only reason for morality in a godless person is for the benefit of the person. No one is self sacrificial for others for no reason, as, we are all selfish by nature.

First, long time no see b.

2. Morality with god is defined by the people who invented the religion. Are you suggesting god told your cult what morality is and is not? How come he didn’t teach you not to be mean to gays? He didn’t cover that. He only told you gay sex is bad.

3. Why are you moral besides for your own benefit? I want to see if Christians are any different than us on your last point. Why are you moral? For selfish reasons. You want to go to heaven. I don’t need the threat of hell to make me be good.

Okay so I'm just speaking from the Christian point of view. I used to be very involved in Church, that is not to say that I am an atheist or agnostic now. I'm just (trying) to speak objectively.....

I would venture to guess that most Christians get their moral code from the Bible, the 10 commandments and such.
I would venture to guess that most of those that are not God or "other being" believers or worshipers, get their moral code from their parents, authoritative figures and society... and, of course, any built in conscience we have.

Sorry, but, I don't think people are instinctively altruistic, but the opposite, selfish. Anything we do for others is for our own benefit - e.g. to look good to others, to avoid people looking down on us or thinking badly of us, or, to make ourselves feel superior or better about ourselves.

I agree we are all selfish. Don’t think you are serving god for any other reason than to win his favor and be rewarded.

But when I do something nice for a stranger the only thing I get is I feel good about it.

Some people "serve" God because they realize that you are happier when you are living for someone other than yourself. That being said, I think you'd be happier with your focus and concern being on someone else whether it's God or just another person. So whether you are being nice to "God" or someone else, same result.

In the military the commanders will give the troops sitting around chores. Good for the body and mind to have something to do rather than nothing at all.

I can see this being a positive aspect of religion. I still think overall religions control exploit manipulate and lie to people but of course there are positives to religions. This is one of them.

 

[hobelim]

Ding and I have been arguing about religion for like friggin forever!

We're not dropping bombs and killing each other over it, we're just having a silly discussion that will never end...

Why did peeps back then need to kill each other over it? And to this day?

Why couldn't they, like, come to an agreement to disagree?

It wasn’t until Moses was the first person to claim he saw god. Until that people pondered but no one ever claimed to definitely know

But remember even canabals on remote islands were sacrificing women to their gods before that.

I think god made the most sense when it was the sun. The sun is god to us. We would give thanks during the day and pray at night it would return tomorrow.

Moses was the first Jew to record the account of Genesis. It had been passed down orally from generation to generation for thousands of years.

No someone else was the first to record the Moses character and supposedly Moses spoke to or saw god.

Show me Moses writings. His original copy. Notes. Scribbles. Anything from moses

They just found this scribble with a collection of doodles, a robe, a few shekels, and a decoder ring buried in a cave by the red sea. The word "religion" is in the back (must be the title) and its signed Moishe.

Now archeologists are feverishly searching for the town of the boy who cried wolf.

 

[sealybobo]

Ding and I have been arguing about religion for like friggin forever!

We're not dropping bombs and killing each other over it, we're just having a silly discussion that will never end...

Why did peeps back then need to kill each other over it? And to this day?

Why couldn't they, like, come to an agreement to disagree?

It wasn’t until Moses was the first person to claim he saw god. Until that people pondered but no one ever claimed to definitely know

But remember even canabals on remote islands were sacrificing women to their gods before that.

I think god made the most sense when it was the sun. The sun is god to us. We would give thanks during the day and pray at night it would return tomorrow.

Moses was the first Jew to record the account of Genesis. It had been passed down orally from generation to generation for thousands of years.

No someone else was the first to record the Moses character and supposedly Moses spoke to or saw god.

Show me Moses writings. His original copy. Notes. Scribbles. Anything from moses

They just found this scribble with a collection of doodles and a decoder ring buried in a cave by the red sea. The word "religion" is in the back (must be the title) and its signed Moishe.

Now archeologists are feverishly searching for the town of the boy who cried wolf.

Do you see how he lied about Moses? I can’t wait for clarification on the claim that Moses is the first Jew to officially start recording genesis.

 

[sealybobo]

Atheists probably adopt the "general agreement" on morality. Morality without God, is defined by society. Not to say it will be accepted by all, but, nothing is absolute.

The only reason for morality in a godless society is for the benefit and that society. The only reason for morality in a godless person is for the benefit of the person. No one is self sacrificial for others for no reason, as, we are all selfish by nature.

First, long time no see b.

2. Morality with god is defined by the people who invented the religion. Are you suggesting god told your cult what morality is and is not? How come he didn’t teach you not to be mean to gays? He didn’t cover that. He only told you gay sex is bad.

3. Why are you moral besides for your own benefit? I want to see if Christians are any different than us on your last point. Why are you moral? For selfish reasons. You want to go to heaven. I don’t need the threat of hell to make me be good.

Okay so I'm just speaking from the Christian point of view. I used to be very involved in Church, that is not to say that I am an atheist or agnostic now. I'm just (trying) to speak objectively.....

I would venture to guess that most Christians get their moral code from the Bible, the 10 commandments and such.
I would venture to guess that most of those that are not God or "other being" believers or worshipers, get their moral code from their parents, authoritative figures and society... and, of course, any built in conscience we have.

Sorry, but, I don't think people are instinctively altruistic, but the opposite, selfish. Anything we do for others is for our own benefit - e.g. to look good to others, to avoid people looking down on us or thinking badly of us, or, to make ourselves feel superior or better about ourselves.

I agree we are all selfish. Don’t think you are serving god for any other reason than to win his favor and be rewarded.

But when I do something nice for a stranger the only thing I get is I feel good about it.

Some people "serve" God because they realize that you are happier when you are living for someone other than yourself. That being said, I think you'd be happier with your focus and concern being on someone else whether it's God or just another person. So whether you are being nice to "God" or someone else, same result.

Some people aren’t happier living for someone else especially when that someone else doesn’t even exist to us.

So if we believe it’s all a lie what do you suggest us atheists do?

A secular society comes up with laws that are universal. Don’t try to push your religion on us. For example if straight can be married and get benefits from being married so should a gay couple.