Can Atheists be Moral?

[sealybobo]

One time I thought I was wrong and later found out I was really right so I was wrong at least once.

I make mistakes all of the time. But then I correct them and the case gets stronger because of it.

Ok, here is a great article about how Trump is the most unethical president of all time

The Most Unethical Presidency: Year One - CREW

If you can argue with this article then you prove morality is subjective. If you read this article and agree 100% with the writer then please continue to stubbornly say that morals are set in stone.

I’m not invested in politics as you are.

Standards exist independent of people following them. We have all kinds of laws that people break all the time. Breaking the law or the standard does not invalidate the law or standard. It only means people will suffer the consequences for doing so.

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Standards exist independent of people following them. We have all kinds of laws that people break all the time. Breaking the law or the standard does not invalidate the law or standard. It only means people will suffer the consequences for doing so.

why not explain how avowed sinners, a sinning religion, christianity can represent morals by the simple fact those that do not sin whatever that might be are by definition the equivalency of moral and living a true existence, christian. as either the true religion of antiquity to triumph against evil or simply who are non sinners being possibly atheists.

Huh?

Christians say they know right and wrong. On every issue. It’s absolute.

But they don’t claim to actually be moral. They don’t have to be as long as they believe in jesus they get a pass.

As long as they’ve been baptized. No baptism as an adult, no heaven.

I was baptized as a child. So were Catholics. We’re all going to hell. Even if we believe.

Have you ever been right about anything?

Because nothing you wrote here is correct.

Talk to other Christians. They told me this stuff.

I know they were fos

 

[Bonzi]

Atheists probably adopt the "general agreement" on morality. Morality without God, is defined by society. Not to say it will be accepted by all, but, nothing is absolute.

The only reason for morality in a godless society is for the benefit and that society. The only reason for morality in a godless person is for the benefit of the person. No one is self sacrificial for others for no reason, as, we are all selfish by nature.

 

[sealybobo]

Atheists probably adopt the "general agreement" on morality. Morality without God, is defined by society. Not to say it will be accepted by all, but, nothing is absolute.

The only reason for morality in a godless society is for the benefit and that society. The only reason for morality in a godless person is for the benefit of the person. No one is self sacrificial for others for no reason, as, we are all selfish by nature.

First, long time no see b.

2. Morality with god is defined by the people who invented the religion. Are you suggesting god told your cult what morality is and is not? How come he didn’t teach you not to be mean to gays? He didn’t cover that. He only told you gay sex is bad.

3. Why are you moral besides for your own benefit? I want to see if Christians are any different than us on your last point. Why are you moral? For selfish reasons. You want to go to heaven. I don’t need the threat of hell to make me be good.

 

[sealybobo]

Did Bonzi leave and find god?

 

[LittleNipper]

Of course athiests can be moral...or immoral. That is a perfect reason for Christians can be guilty of breaking a commandment and still be a Christian. It's called asking God for forgiveness. Athiests just ask a mortal for forgiveness when they want it.

Atheists cannot be moral, because they base morality on personal or social acceptance. Morality must be based on the acceptance or rejection of an impartial third party.

Can a murderer be moral? Well, he may choose to do something moral; however, he also has done something immoral. The immoral deed trumps all the individual's moral deeds in GOD's eyes. Only through the saving grace of GOD through the Messiah does GOD extend forgiveness of sin.

Not many atheists are murderers. So I don't understand how you can compare.

However, many religious people ARE MURDERERS, and if not already murderers, they have the murder spirit in their heart. How do you feel about that?

I wouldn't be so sure... Quite prison inmates become "saved" while in prison. Jeffery Dahmer is a case in point. Ask anyone in jail how often they were attending Sunday School and Church services before they got into trouble and I am rather certain that it had been Y E A R S ---- if ever. Of course it could be argued that attending church doesn't make one a Christian. HOWEVER, not attending doesn't encourage a healthy spiritual lifestyle given societies' seeming lack of propriety...

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Jeffery Dahmer is a case in point.

maybe a fellow sinner might think so, nipper - an irredeemable sin, what can not be given back is unforgivable ... sorry, J will not be able to help you in your case nipper and for the truthful the Almighty has already spoken.

how about you nipper how do you reconcile being a sinner and at the same time claiming to be a moral person. funny how you and bing fit the bill.

There is only ONE unforgivable sin. That is the rejection of the Holy Spirit. There is no other unforgivable sin. And the Holy Spirit testifies within the heart of man that Jesus is the Messiah/Christ. So, to reject Jesus as either God in the flesh or the Messiah, is part and parcel to the unforgivable sin.

 

[Jackson]

I believe that morality is not a subset of Christainity. It can be included in the Christain belief but it can be practiced outside the Christain belief.

Look at the Jewish faith. Many of them are moral, but do not ascribe to the lesson that Jesus is the messiah. Does that mean they are going to Heaven? No. The real test of a Christian is that one accepts Jesus as our messiah and when asked he forgives all your sins. God knows your heart and that does not mean your acts on earth will open the gates to heaven, believing in Jesus will.

 

[danielpalos]

i am trying to find coconut oil and nice girls who are willing to help me practice get really really Good.

 

[sealybobo]

Of course athiests can be moral...or immoral. That is a perfect reason for Christians can be guilty of breaking a commandment and still be a Christian. It's called asking God for forgiveness. Athiests just ask a mortal for forgiveness when they want it.

Atheists cannot be moral, because they base morality on personal or social acceptance. Morality must be based on the acceptance or rejection of an impartial third party.

Can a murderer be moral? Well, he may choose to do something moral; however, he also has done something immoral. The immoral deed trumps all the individual's moral deeds in GOD's eyes. Only through the saving grace of GOD through the Messiah does GOD extend forgiveness of sin.

Not many atheists are murderers. So I don't understand how you can compare.

However, many religious people ARE MURDERERS, and if not already murderers, they have the murder spirit in their heart. How do you feel about that?

I wouldn't be so sure... Quite prison inmates become "saved" while in prison. Jeffery Dahmer is a case in point. Ask anyone in jail how often they were attending Sunday School and Church services before they got into trouble and I am rather certain that it had been Y E A R S ---- if ever. Of course it could be argued that attending church doesn't make one a Christian. HOWEVER, not attending doesn't encourage a healthy spiritual lifestyle given societies' seeming lack of propriety...

.

Jeffery Dahmer is a case in point.

maybe a fellow sinner might think so, nipper - an irredeemable sin, what can not be given back is unforgivable ... sorry, J will not be able to help you in your case nipper and for the truthful the Almighty has already spoken.

how about you nipper how do you reconcile being a sinner and at the same time claiming to be a moral person. funny how you and bing fit the bill.

There is only ONE unforgivable sin. That is the rejection of the Holy Spirit. There is no other unforgivable sin. And the Holy Spirit testifies within the heart of man that Jesus is the Messiah/Christ. So, to reject Jesus as either God in the flesh or the Messiah, is part and parcel to the unforgivable sin.

This is ridiculous and exactly what a cult would say.

Don't you see rejecting the Jesus myth is the least offensive of all the sins? It harms no one. Unless you think God is a snowflake.

And we don't reject Jesus or God. We reject your Jesus and God stories as fake/lies/made up. This doesn't offend god it offends your church.

To accept the Jesus stories to me is insane. Clearly this guy was made into a martyr. Stories have been embellished to say the least.

So are you saying that atheists, muslims, jews, buddists and hindu people are all committing an unforgivable sin for not believing the Jesus stories?

 

[sealybobo]

The Holy Spirit is in the mind of man.

Interesting that everyone on earth who is not a Christian is committing the one unforgivable sin. Got it. Does Ding agree with this?

 

[danielpalos]

Women of morals should not need to lie to us or let us miss our turn.

 

[sealybobo]

One time I thought I was wrong and later found out I was really right so I was wrong at least once.

I make mistakes all of the time. But then I correct them and the case gets stronger because of it.

Ok, here is a great article about how Trump is the most unethical president of all time

The Most Unethical Presidency: Year One - CREW

If you can argue with this article then you prove morality is subjective. If you read this article and agree 100% with the writer then please continue to stubbornly say that morals are set in stone.

I’m not invested in politics as you are.

Standards exist independent of people following them. We have all kinds of laws that people break all the time. Breaking the law or the standard does not invalidate the law or standard. It only means people will suffer the consequences for doing so.

.

Standards exist independent of people following them. We have all kinds of laws that people break all the time. Breaking the law or the standard does not invalidate the law or standard. It only means people will suffer the consequences for doing so.

why not explain how avowed sinners, a sinning religion, christianity can represent morals by the simple fact those that do not sin whatever that might be are by definition the equivalency of moral and living a true existence, christian. as either the true religion of antiquity to triumph against evil or simply who are non sinners being possibly atheists.

Huh?

Christians say they know right and wrong. On every issue. It’s absolute.

But they don’t claim to actually be moral. They don’t have to be as long as they believe in jesus they get a pass.

As long as they’ve been baptized. No baptism as an adult, no heaven.

I was baptized as a child. So were Catholics. We’re all going to hell. Even if we believe.

Have you ever been right about anything?

Because nothing you wrote here is correct.

Do you agree with this Ding?

There is only ONE unforgivable sin. That is the rejection of the Holy Spirit. There is no other unforgivable sin. And the Holy Spirit testifies within the heart of man that Jesus is the Messiah/Christ. So, to reject Jesus as either God in the flesh or the Messiah, is part and parcel to the unforgivable sin.

So Jews, Muslims, Hindu and Buddists who don't believe Jesus was God are committing the one unforgivable sin?

If you don't believe this then you are not a Christian in my opinion. You are the cherry picker. The person who wrote this is the real christian.

I have a feeling if pushed you will agree with this nut.

 

[sealybobo]

I love it that the biggest sin in Christianity is not believing Christianity. LOL

 

[BreezeWood]

Of course athiests can be moral...or immoral. That is a perfect reason for Christians can be guilty of breaking a commandment and still be a Christian. It's called asking God for forgiveness. Athiests just ask a mortal for forgiveness when they want it.

Atheists cannot be moral, because they base morality on personal or social acceptance. Morality must be based on the acceptance or rejection of an impartial third party.

Can a murderer be moral? Well, he may choose to do something moral; however, he also has done something immoral. The immoral deed trumps all the individual's moral deeds in GOD's eyes. Only through the saving grace of GOD through the Messiah does GOD extend forgiveness of sin.

Not many atheists are murderers. So I don't understand how you can compare.

However, many religious people ARE MURDERERS, and if not already murderers, they have the murder spirit in their heart. How do you feel about that?

I wouldn't be so sure... Quite prison inmates become "saved" while in prison. Jeffery Dahmer is a case in point. Ask anyone in jail how often they were attending Sunday School and Church services before they got into trouble and I am rather certain that it had been Y E A R S ---- if ever. Of course it could be argued that attending church doesn't make one a Christian. HOWEVER, not attending doesn't encourage a healthy spiritual lifestyle given societies' seeming lack of propriety...

.

Jeffery Dahmer is a case in point.

maybe a fellow sinner might think so, nipper - an irredeemable sin, what can not be given back is unforgivable ... sorry, J will not be able to help you in your case nipper and for the truthful the Almighty has already spoken.

how about you nipper how do you reconcile being a sinner and at the same time claiming to be a moral person. funny how you and bing fit the bill.

There is only ONE unforgivable sin. That is the rejection of the Holy Spirit. There is no other unforgivable sin. And the Holy Spirit testifies within the heart of man that Jesus is the Messiah/Christ. So, to reject Jesus as either God in the flesh or the Messiah, is part and parcel to the unforgivable sin.

.

There is only ONE unforgivable sin. That is the rejection of the Holy Spirit. There is no other unforgivable sin. And the Holy Spirit testifies within the heart of man that Jesus is the Messiah/Christ. So, to reject Jesus as either God in the flesh or the Messiah, is part and parcel to the unforgivable sin.

there is no independent physical corroboration for your above statement by the primary character jesus or any other source than the 4th century christian bible you have used as your source that is replete with forgeries that in fact are the source for your statement. there was no worldwide pronouncement at the time for all beings to be made aware as would be required to make your belief effectual.

more to the point, nipper you have not answered the question first posed to you - what are the sins you are unable to stop committing that requires for you to rely on a savior rather than accomplishing the feat yourself, Admission to the Everlasting. the true religion of antiquity.

 

[danielpalos]

Can it be moral to resort to Any fallacy over sublime Truth (value) discoverable through argumentation?

 

[ding]

Ok, here is a great article about how Trump is the most unethical president of all time

The Most Unethical Presidency: Year One - CREW

If you can argue with this article then you prove morality is subjective. If you read this article and agree 100% with the writer then please continue to stubbornly say that morals are set in stone.

I’m not invested in politics as you are.

Standards exist independent of people following them. We have all kinds of laws that people break all the time. Breaking the law or the standard does not invalidate the law or standard. It only means people will suffer the consequences for doing so.

.

Standards exist independent of people following them. We have all kinds of laws that people break all the time. Breaking the law or the standard does not invalidate the law or standard. It only means people will suffer the consequences for doing so.

why not explain how avowed sinners, a sinning religion, christianity can represent morals by the simple fact those that do not sin whatever that might be are by definition the equivalency of moral and living a true existence, christian. as either the true religion of antiquity to triumph against evil or simply who are non sinners being possibly atheists.

Huh?

Christians say they know right and wrong. On every issue. It’s absolute.

But they don’t claim to actually be moral. They don’t have to be as long as they believe in jesus they get a pass.

As long as they’ve been baptized. No baptism as an adult, no heaven.

I was baptized as a child. So were Catholics. We’re all going to hell. Even if we believe.

Have you ever been right about anything?

Because nothing you wrote here is correct.

Do you agree with this Ding?

There is only ONE unforgivable sin. That is the rejection of the Holy Spirit. There is no other unforgivable sin. And the Holy Spirit testifies within the heart of man that Jesus is the Messiah/Christ. So, to reject Jesus as either God in the flesh or the Messiah, is part and parcel to the unforgivable sin.

So Jews, Muslims, Hindu and Buddists who don't believe Jesus was God are committing the one unforgivable sin?

If you don't believe this then you are not a Christian in my opinion. You are the cherry picker. The person who wrote this is the real christian.

I have a feeling if pushed you will agree with this nut.

I don’t believe that is what it means. To me blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is when you do believe in God and reject him.

You don’t believe in God, so how can you reject him?

 

[ding]

I love it that the biggest sin in Christianity is not believing Christianity. LOL

I have yet to read anything you write about Christianity be true. You create more straw men than Old McDonald.

 

[sealybobo]

I’m not invested in politics as you are.

Standards exist independent of people following them. We have all kinds of laws that people break all the time. Breaking the law or the standard does not invalidate the law or standard. It only means people will suffer the consequences for doing so.

.

Standards exist independent of people following them. We have all kinds of laws that people break all the time. Breaking the law or the standard does not invalidate the law or standard. It only means people will suffer the consequences for doing so.

why not explain how avowed sinners, a sinning religion, christianity can represent morals by the simple fact those that do not sin whatever that might be are by definition the equivalency of moral and living a true existence, christian. as either the true religion of antiquity to triumph against evil or simply who are non sinners being possibly atheists.

Huh?

Christians say they know right and wrong. On every issue. It’s absolute.

But they don’t claim to actually be moral. They don’t have to be as long as they believe in jesus they get a pass.

As long as they’ve been baptized. No baptism as an adult, no heaven.

I was baptized as a child. So were Catholics. We’re all going to hell. Even if we believe.

Have you ever been right about anything?

Because nothing you wrote here is correct.

Do you agree with this Ding?

There is only ONE unforgivable sin. That is the rejection of the Holy Spirit. There is no other unforgivable sin. And the Holy Spirit testifies within the heart of man that Jesus is the Messiah/Christ. So, to reject Jesus as either God in the flesh or the Messiah, is part and parcel to the unforgivable sin.

So Jews, Muslims, Hindu and Buddists who don't believe Jesus was God are committing the one unforgivable sin?

If you don't believe this then you are not a Christian in my opinion. You are the cherry picker. The person who wrote this is the real christian.

I have a feeling if pushed you will agree with this nut.

I don’t believe that is what it means. To me blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is when you do believe in God and reject him.

You don’t believe in God, so how can you reject him?

Then yes I would agree if you were looking at the Holy Ghost and rejected him that god can’t have. He can’t have a demon in heaven.

Jeffrey Dahmer and hitler rejected the Holy Spirit, probably. That’s some evil shit.

 

[sealybobo]

I love it that the biggest sin in Christianity is not believing Christianity. LOL

I have yet to read anything you write about Christianity be true. You create more straw men than Old McDonald.

Knock em down ding. Knock them down

 

[ding]

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why not explain how avowed sinners, a sinning religion, christianity can represent morals by the simple fact those that do not sin whatever that might be are by definition the equivalency of moral and living a true existence, christian. as either the true religion of antiquity to triumph against evil or simply who are non sinners being possibly atheists.

Huh?

Christians say they know right and wrong. On every issue. It’s absolute.

But they don’t claim to actually be moral. They don’t have to be as long as they believe in jesus they get a pass.

As long as they’ve been baptized. No baptism as an adult, no heaven.

I was baptized as a child. So were Catholics. We’re all going to hell. Even if we believe.

Have you ever been right about anything?

Because nothing you wrote here is correct.

Do you agree with this Ding?

There is only ONE unforgivable sin. That is the rejection of the Holy Spirit. There is no other unforgivable sin. And the Holy Spirit testifies within the heart of man that Jesus is the Messiah/Christ. So, to reject Jesus as either God in the flesh or the Messiah, is part and parcel to the unforgivable sin.

So Jews, Muslims, Hindu and Buddists who don't believe Jesus was God are committing the one unforgivable sin?

If you don't believe this then you are not a Christian in my opinion. You are the cherry picker. The person who wrote this is the real christian.

I have a feeling if pushed you will agree with this nut.

I don’t believe that is what it means. To me blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is when you do believe in God and reject him.

You don’t believe in God, so how can you reject him?

Then yes I would agree if you were looking at the Holy Ghost and rejected him that god can’t have. He can’t have a demon in heaven.

Jeffrey Dahmer and hitler rejected the Holy Spirit, probably. That’s some evil shit.

Except for the saints we know about and the saints we don’t know about no one knows their fate or the fate of others.

 

[ding]

I love it that the biggest sin in Christianity is not believing Christianity. LOL

I have yet to read anything you write about Christianity be true. You create more straw men than Old McDonald.

Knock em down ding. Knock them down

Why? They fall over under their own weight.