Can Atheists be Moral?

[RWS]

Three questions I think science will never answer are:
1. How did we get here (universe wise)?
2. What is our purpose?
3. What happens after we die?

Science could possibly answer question 1 eventually. But 2 and 3 are philosophical questions that science doesn't cover. Those are the domains of religions.

My dislike of religions is that it tells people that it's ok to dislike and even kill others that believe differently. Because they are the absolute religion. There's so many religions... that it's scary to think that what has happened in the past, can happen a billion-fold worse in the present or future.

I'd be cool if religions said we're all equal and deserve to live our regular lives. But they don't.

No one knows their fate. Materialists believe that at death it’s game over. Spiritualists believe that the material world was created by spirit and that at death our spirit returns to the creator.

So if you are a materialist there is no good reason you shouldn’t live your life seeking as much earthly pleasure as you can even if it is at the expense of others.

Of course I doubt you will find much happiness in doing so because we were created for more. Deep down inside you know this. That’s why you are here arguing about it.

In my way of looking at it, number 1 may be answered by science, once they can create a self-replicating molecule from regular earth material in a test tube. That one's possible.

Our purpose is to reproduce more, like you said in a previous post. But how can we reproduce more and greater people, if religions keep committing genocides?

And lastly, why can't religions be cool about admitting that we're all equal and deserve the same afterlife as followers? Assuming we're good people? Countless billions of good people are disqualified from Christian "Heaven" because they're not Christian. Which started less than 2000 years ago.

In other words, stop thinking you're superior based on your religion. Can't we be cool about that?

 

[RWS]

If you believed there is a higher power that cares about you, that’s more than enough.

Then stop calling yourself a Christian. That’s not what they believe

But I am a Christian.

You are a typical Christian yes but I don’t think your beliefs align with any denomination I’ve ever seen

If you had learned anything as a Catholic you would have learned the thing that matters most is to have a relationship with the father, son and Holy Ghost. It’s the sign of the cross for crying out loud.

He will take care of the rest.

First, I was Greek Orthodox. Second, I know my parents have their problems with the church and my mom was open to the idea there is no god.

My mom always talked about screw the church have your own personal relationship with god.

They were/are typical Christians too.

Exactly, that's the way to do it. I have so much respect for her. Have faith. Don't follow. Following is usually a bad thing. Kudos to her!

 

[RWS]

I love Jesus' ideals. I don't know if he was real or not, but he is definitely not what Christianity preached through the Middle Ages, and still to this day. But I love the ideal of Jesus and peace among everyone. It's just so hard with religious fanatics claiming they are superior because of the religion they were born into. It's like white supremacy, converted into religious supremacy.

 

[BreezeWood]

Three questions I think science will never answer are:
1. How did we get here (universe wise)?
2. What is our purpose?
3. What happens after we die?

Science could possibly answer question 1 eventually. But 2 and 3 are philosophical questions that science doesn't cover. Those are the domains of religions.

My dislike of religions is that it tells people that it's ok to dislike and even kill others that believe differently. Because they are the absolute religion. There's so many religions... that it's scary to think that what has happened in the past, can happen a billion-fold worse in the present or future.

I'd be cool if religions said we're all equal and deserve to live our regular lives. But they don't.

No one knows their fate. Materialists believe that at death it’s game over. Spiritualists believe that the material world was created by spirit and that at death our spirit returns to the creator.

So if you are a materialist there is no good reason you shouldn’t live your life seeking as much earthly pleasure as you can even if it is at the expense of others.

Of course I doubt you will find much happiness in doing so because we were created for more. Deep down inside you know this. That’s why you are here arguing about it.

In my way of looking at it, number 1 may be answered by science, once they can create a self-replicating molecule from regular earth material in a test tube. That one's possible.

Our purpose is to reproduce more, like you said in a previous post. But how can we reproduce more and greater people, if religions keep committing genocides?

And lastly, why can't religions be cool about admitting that we're all equal and deserve the same afterlife as followers? Assuming we're good people? Countless billions of good people are disqualified from Christian "Heaven" because they're not Christian. Which started less than 2000 years ago.

In other words, stop thinking you're superior based on your religion. Can't we be cool about that?

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In my way of looking at it, number 1 may be answered by science, once they can create a self-replicating molecule from regular earth material in a test tube. That one's possible.

- number 1 may be answered by science ... once they can create a self-replicating molecule from regular earth material.

good luck on the latter, "regular earth material" confining physiology to a single planet in the universe where its components just happen to be purely "universal" in content. are you a latent christian.

you ignore or more correctly for yourself have determined physiology can be made alive without a spiritual content by science to be left lying on the ground to exist forever ... or to include the spiritual would only be an afterthought as a meaningful purpose. without the slightest scientific understanding of the metaphysical that does include it.

 

[Spare_change]

Many theists believe it is clear-cut. Humans can only have opinions about morality, and no one’s opinion is any more valid than anyone else’s. This leads them to the conclusion that an objective source of morality must stand apart from, and above, humans. That source, they say, is God. Since atheists, reject God, atheists can have no basis for morality.

This is really two separate arguments: (1) that God is the source of objective morality and humans can learn morality from God and (2) that humans on their own have no way to know what is moral and what is not.

Can atheists be moral? - Atheist Alliance International

It is intrinsically impossible for atheists to be moral, given that they have no firmly established moral code, but rather rely on relativistic self serving, self-qualified opinions of what is right and proper in a particular situation.

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It is intrinsically impossible for atheists to be moral, given that they have no firmly established moral code, but rather rely on relativistic self serving, self-qualified opinions of what is right and proper in a particular situation.

It is intrinsically impossible for atheists to be moral ...

there is no barrier, intrinsically for an atheist to be moral having at birth a clean slate for deturmination however for a religion conceived deceitfully as christianity where sinning is perceived as inseparable from the being does make those individuals intrinsically immoral by their inability to rationally know right from wrong.

what sins are you unable to not commit short-change, to help determine the depth of your immorality - such as hate baited post that are "relativistic self serving, self-qualified opinions of what is right and proper in a particular situation".

When you are the arbiter of whether or not your actions are sinful, you are able to define the levels of right and wrong in the manner that best allows your conscience to be eased. If you're hungry, it's okay to steal. If you want his car to take your wife to the hospital, it's okay to kill him to get it.

Those are not morals, those are self-justification rationales for your behavior. Without an externally enforced set of unassailable laws, you have no moral code - you only have self-serving nonsense designed to justify your bad behavior.

All complete nonsense....thats why no two Christian's loving today would agree 9n all morality, much less a Christian living today and one plucked from 500 years ago (despite carrying around the same,iron age instruction manual). You derive your morality chiefly from the genetic accident of where and when you were born .You simply fool yourself and aggrandize yourself by pretending your morality derives from some divine decree.

Your argument, of course, suffers from the same malady that inflicts other such drivel .... "no two Christians today" have a damn thing to say about morality .... that is exactly the flaw in the "atheist" argument today, this nonsensical argument that you are remotely qualified to establish your own relativistic moral code.

 

[Spare_change]

Many theists believe it is clear-cut. Humans can only have opinions about morality, and no one’s opinion is any more valid than anyone else’s. This leads them to the conclusion that an objective source of morality must stand apart from, and above, humans. That source, they say, is God. Since atheists, reject God, atheists can have no basis for morality.

This is really two separate arguments: (1) that God is the source of objective morality and humans can learn morality from God and (2) that humans on their own have no way to know what is moral and what is not.

Can atheists be moral? - Atheist Alliance International

It is intrinsically impossible for atheists to be moral, given that they have no firmly established moral code, but rather rely on relativistic self serving, self-qualified opinions of what is right and proper in a particular situation.

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It is intrinsically impossible for atheists to be moral, given that they have no firmly established moral code, but rather rely on relativistic self serving, self-qualified opinions of what is right and proper in a particular situation.

It is intrinsically impossible for atheists to be moral ...

there is no barrier, intrinsically for an atheist to be moral having at birth a clean slate for deturmination however for a religion conceived deceitfully as christianity where sinning is perceived as inseparable from the being does make those individuals intrinsically immoral by their inability to rationally know right from wrong.

what sins are you unable to not commit short-change, to help determine the depth of your immorality - such as hate baited post that are "relativistic self serving, self-qualified opinions of what is right and proper in a particular situation".

When you are the arbiter of whether or not your actions are sinful, you are able to define the levels of right and wrong in the manner that best allows your conscience to be eased. If you're hungry, it's okay to steal. If you want his car to take your wife to the hospital, it's okay to kill him to get it.

Those are not morals, those are self-justification rationales for your behavior. Without an externally enforced set of unassailable laws, you have no moral code - you only have self-serving nonsense designed to justify your bad behavior.

All complete nonsense....thats why no two Christian's loving today would agree 9n all morality, much less a Christian living today and one plucked from 500 years ago (despite carrying around the same,iron age instruction manual). You derive your morality chiefly from the genetic accident of where and when you were born .You simply fool yourself and aggrandize yourself by pretending your morality derives from some divine decree.

Humans are subjective. Their perception of morality changes.

Exactly ... and therein lies the flaw in the logic .... the moral code cannot change. You may choose to ignore parts of it, or even, all of it. But, that does not change your culpability for your sins.

 

[Spare_change]

Dear G-d;

If you don't exist
I will never,
and I mean never,
forgive You.

Dear God,

If you don't exist, I will still have been a better man for adhering to the code mistakenly allocated to You.

If, however, you do exist .... I got a list of those who didn't believe.

 

[RWS]

Three questions I think science will never answer are:
1. How did we get here (universe wise)?
2. What is our purpose?
3. What happens after we die?

Science could possibly answer question 1 eventually. But 2 and 3 are philosophical questions that science doesn't cover. Those are the domains of religions.

My dislike of religions is that it tells people that it's ok to dislike and even kill others that believe differently. Because they are the absolute religion. There's so many religions... that it's scary to think that what has happened in the past, can happen a billion-fold worse in the present or future.

I'd be cool if religions said we're all equal and deserve to live our regular lives. But they don't.

No one knows their fate. Materialists believe that at death it’s game over. Spiritualists believe that the material world was created by spirit and that at death our spirit returns to the creator.

So if you are a materialist there is no good reason you shouldn’t live your life seeking as much earthly pleasure as you can even if it is at the expense of others.

Of course I doubt you will find much happiness in doing so because we were created for more. Deep down inside you know this. That’s why you are here arguing about it.

In my way of looking at it, number 1 may be answered by science, once they can create a self-replicating molecule from regular earth material in a test tube. That one's possible.

Our purpose is to reproduce more, like you said in a previous post. But how can we reproduce more and greater people, if religions keep committing genocides?

And lastly, why can't religions be cool about admitting that we're all equal and deserve the same afterlife as followers? Assuming we're good people? Countless billions of good people are disqualified from Christian "Heaven" because they're not Christian. Which started less than 2000 years ago.

In other words, stop thinking you're superior based on your religion. Can't we be cool about that?

.

In my way of looking at it, number 1 may be answered by science, once they can create a self-replicating molecule from regular earth material in a test tube. That one's possible.

- number 1 may be answered by science ... once they can create a self-replicating molecule from regular earth material.

good luck on the latter, "regular earth material" confining physiology to a single planet in the universe where its components just happen to be purely "universal" in content. are you a latent christian.

you ignore or more correctly for yourself have determined physiology can be made alive without a spiritual content by science to be left lying on the ground to exist forever ... or to include the spiritual would only be an afterthought as a meaningful purpose. without the slightest scientific understanding of the metaphysical that does include it.

Wherever water exists, there is life on Earth. That is possible on many other planets and moons. Throughout the universe.

So miraculous bacteria being created on earth is probably the norm.

Your god is just ******* with you. How much did you donate this year?

 

[RWS]

It's only March, but you probably paid a lot so far, for bullshit.

You paid for rapists and child molesters.

 

[RWS]

Nice job!

Oh, your religion is so friggin good...

 

[RWS]

Your god is so good... to allow those sins under his authority., He's a good god...

 

[RWS]

or maybe he doesn't exist...

And people are just bad sometimes, and those need to be eradicated.

 

[RWS]

If you have good thoughts, you should thrive, regardless of religion. We should all welcome those people together. In one world. No matter of religion.

Religion tries to tell you to **** em all, if they don't believe in the particular religion that you believe in. Turn them, or kill them. Because they're worthless (except as slaves).

That's not the way to roll. And any of you that can't understand that, are the part of the problem that will kill us all...

 

[ding]

Three questions I think science will never answer are:
1. How did we get here (universe wise)?
2. What is our purpose?
3. What happens after we die?

Science could possibly answer question 1 eventually. But 2 and 3 are philosophical questions that science doesn't cover. Those are the domains of religions.

My dislike of religions is that it tells people that it's ok to dislike and even kill others that believe differently. Because they are the absolute religion. There's so many religions... that it's scary to think that what has happened in the past, can happen a billion-fold worse in the present or future.

I'd be cool if religions said we're all equal and deserve to live our regular lives. But they don't.

No one knows their fate. Materialists believe that at death it’s game over. Spiritualists believe that the material world was created by spirit and that at death our spirit returns to the creator.

So if you are a materialist there is no good reason you shouldn’t live your life seeking as much earthly pleasure as you can even if it is at the expense of others.

Of course I doubt you will find much happiness in doing so because we were created for more. Deep down inside you know this. That’s why you are here arguing about it.

In my way of looking at it, number 1 may be answered by science, once they can create a self-replicating molecule from regular earth material in a test tube. That one's possible.

Our purpose is to reproduce more, like you said in a previous post. But how can we reproduce more and greater people, if religions keep committing genocides?

And lastly, why can't religions be cool about admitting that we're all equal and deserve the same afterlife as followers? Assuming we're good people? Countless billions of good people are disqualified from Christian "Heaven" because they're not Christian. Which started less than 2000 years ago.

In other words, stop thinking you're superior based on your religion. Can't we be cool about that?

.

In my way of looking at it, number 1 may be answered by science, once they can create a self-replicating molecule from regular earth material in a test tube. That one's possible.

- number 1 may be answered by science ... once they can create a self-replicating molecule from regular earth material.

good luck on the latter, "regular earth material" confining physiology to a single planet in the universe where its components just happen to be purely "universal" in content. are you a latent christian.

you ignore or more correctly for yourself have determined physiology can be made alive without a spiritual content by science to be left lying on the ground to exist forever ... or to include the spiritual would only be an afterthought as a meaningful purpose. without the slightest scientific understanding of the metaphysical that does include it.

Wherever water exists, there is life on Earth. That is possible on many other planets and moons. Throughout the universe.

So miraculous bacteria being created on earth is probably the norm.

Your god is just ******* with you. How much did you donate this year?

Karl Marx - who was also a militant atheist like yourself - made the exact same point as you about religion being a scam.

But the reality is that according to natural selection, if there were no functional advantage gained from the practice of religion it would have been discarded long ago.

Are you denying natural selection, Karl?

 

[BreezeWood]

It is intrinsically impossible for atheists to be moral, given that they have no firmly established moral code, but rather rely on relativistic self serving, self-qualified opinions of what is right and proper in a particular situation.

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It is intrinsically impossible for atheists to be moral, given that they have no firmly established moral code, but rather rely on relativistic self serving, self-qualified opinions of what is right and proper in a particular situation.

It is intrinsically impossible for atheists to be moral ...

there is no barrier, intrinsically for an atheist to be moral having at birth a clean slate for deturmination however for a religion conceived deceitfully as christianity where sinning is perceived as inseparable from the being does make those individuals intrinsically immoral by their inability to rationally know right from wrong.

what sins are you unable to not commit short-change, to help determine the depth of your immorality - such as hate baited post that are "relativistic self serving, self-qualified opinions of what is right and proper in a particular situation".

When you are the arbiter of whether or not your actions are sinful, you are able to define the levels of right and wrong in the manner that best allows your conscience to be eased. If you're hungry, it's okay to steal. If you want his car to take your wife to the hospital, it's okay to kill him to get it.

Those are not morals, those are self-justification rationales for your behavior. Without an externally enforced set of unassailable laws, you have no moral code - you only have self-serving nonsense designed to justify your bad behavior.

All complete nonsense....thats why no two Christian's loving today would agree 9n all morality, much less a Christian living today and one plucked from 500 years ago (despite carrying around the same,iron age instruction manual). You derive your morality chiefly from the genetic accident of where and when you were born .You simply fool yourself and aggrandize yourself by pretending your morality derives from some divine decree.

Humans are subjective. Their perception of morality changes.

Exactly ... and therein lies the flaw in the logic .... the moral code cannot change. You may choose to ignore parts of it, or even, all of it. But, that does not change your culpability for your sins.

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Exactly ... and therein lies the flaw in the logic .... the moral code cannot change. You may choose to ignore parts of it, or even, all of it. But, that does not change your culpability for your sins.

and therein lies the flaw in the logic ... But, that does not change your culpability for your sins.

what again are the sins you are unable to stop committing ... christian.

for the record for your posts you are unwilling to respond to what sins you are unable to stop committing, with that in mind there is no moral code for a christian only a position of abject servitude without morals, presently and in the future were you granted admission as a sinner which is antithetical for a reason to have been given life for the purpose to earn the reward of life in the Everlasting. through the apex of morality being achieved.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

In other words, stop thinking you're superior based on your religion.

sorry dude, that concept is fundamentally incompatible with the idea of believing one possesses the only, divine truth.

Religion poisons everything.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

If you don't exist, I will still have been a better man for adhering to the code mistakenly allocated to You.

Nah, you're lying to yourself. Your morals and ethics arise chiefly from the genetic accident of where and when you were born, not from your religion.

 

[BreezeWood]

Three questions I think science will never answer are:
1. How did we get here (universe wise)?
2. What is our purpose?
3. What happens after we die?

Science could possibly answer question 1 eventually. But 2 and 3 are philosophical questions that science doesn't cover. Those are the domains of religions.

My dislike of religions is that it tells people that it's ok to dislike and even kill others that believe differently. Because they are the absolute religion. There's so many religions... that it's scary to think that what has happened in the past, can happen a billion-fold worse in the present or future.

I'd be cool if religions said we're all equal and deserve to live our regular lives. But they don't.

No one knows their fate. Materialists believe that at death it’s game over. Spiritualists believe that the material world was created by spirit and that at death our spirit returns to the creator.

So if you are a materialist there is no good reason you shouldn’t live your life seeking as much earthly pleasure as you can even if it is at the expense of others.

Of course I doubt you will find much happiness in doing so because we were created for more. Deep down inside you know this. That’s why you are here arguing about it.

In my way of looking at it, number 1 may be answered by science, once they can create a self-replicating molecule from regular earth material in a test tube. That one's possible.

Our purpose is to reproduce more, like you said in a previous post. But how can we reproduce more and greater people, if religions keep committing genocides?

And lastly, why can't religions be cool about admitting that we're all equal and deserve the same afterlife as followers? Assuming we're good people? Countless billions of good people are disqualified from Christian "Heaven" because they're not Christian. Which started less than 2000 years ago.

In other words, stop thinking you're superior based on your religion. Can't we be cool about that?

.

In my way of looking at it, number 1 may be answered by science, once they can create a self-replicating molecule from regular earth material in a test tube. That one's possible.

- number 1 may be answered by science ... once they can create a self-replicating molecule from regular earth material.

good luck on the latter, "regular earth material" confining physiology to a single planet in the universe where its components just happen to be purely "universal" in content. are you a latent christian.

you ignore or more correctly for yourself have determined physiology can be made alive without a spiritual content by science to be left lying on the ground to exist forever ... or to include the spiritual would only be an afterthought as a meaningful purpose. without the slightest scientific understanding of the metaphysical that does include it.

Wherever water exists, there is life on Earth. That is possible on many other planets and moons. Throughout the universe.

So miraculous bacteria being created on earth is probably the norm.

Your god is just ******* with you. How much did you donate this year?

.

Wherever water exists, there is life on Earth. That is possible on many other planets and moons. Throughout the universe.

So miraculous bacteria being created on earth is probably the norm.

Your god is just ******* with you. How much did you donate this year?

So miraculous bacteria being created on earth is probably the norm.

number 1 may be answered by science, once they can create a self-replicating molecule from regular earth material in a test tube. That one's possible.

by science, once they can create a self-replicating molecule ...

your post ignored completely the post it was responding to ... that physiology exists as a metaphysical substance in guidance by a spiritual content and is universal and is found also on Earth but that if "scientist" were to create the physical substance would it also have a spiritual content (wants and needs) as the present metaphysical physiology that naturally evolved.

what would they be creating, both the spiritual content and the physical attribute or just the physical attribute that simply existed the same as an element. the evolutionary leap was not just from a molecule to an organism but also a sustainable awareness not previously in existence possessing physical attributes.

so sillyboobo is correct to say beings are indeed destined, have the ingredients to make possible for them to become gods by transforming themselves to a state of purity, a sabbath to live into perpetuity. being without sin.

 

[RWS]

Three questions I think science will never answer are:
1. How did we get here (universe wise)?
2. What is our purpose?
3. What happens after we die?

Science could possibly answer question 1 eventually. But 2 and 3 are philosophical questions that science doesn't cover. Those are the domains of religions.

My dislike of religions is that it tells people that it's ok to dislike and even kill others that believe differently. Because they are the absolute religion. There's so many religions... that it's scary to think that what has happened in the past, can happen a billion-fold worse in the present or future.

I'd be cool if religions said we're all equal and deserve to live our regular lives. But they don't.

No one knows their fate. Materialists believe that at death it’s game over. Spiritualists believe that the material world was created by spirit and that at death our spirit returns to the creator.

So if you are a materialist there is no good reason you shouldn’t live your life seeking as much earthly pleasure as you can even if it is at the expense of others.

Of course I doubt you will find much happiness in doing so because we were created for more. Deep down inside you know this. That’s why you are here arguing about it.

In my way of looking at it, number 1 may be answered by science, once they can create a self-replicating molecule from regular earth material in a test tube. That one's possible.

Our purpose is to reproduce more, like you said in a previous post. But how can we reproduce more and greater people, if religions keep committing genocides?

And lastly, why can't religions be cool about admitting that we're all equal and deserve the same afterlife as followers? Assuming we're good people? Countless billions of good people are disqualified from Christian "Heaven" because they're not Christian. Which started less than 2000 years ago.

In other words, stop thinking you're superior based on your religion. Can't we be cool about that?

.

In my way of looking at it, number 1 may be answered by science, once they can create a self-replicating molecule from regular earth material in a test tube. That one's possible.

- number 1 may be answered by science ... once they can create a self-replicating molecule from regular earth material.

good luck on the latter, "regular earth material" confining physiology to a single planet in the universe where its components just happen to be purely "universal" in content. are you a latent christian.

you ignore or more correctly for yourself have determined physiology can be made alive without a spiritual content by science to be left lying on the ground to exist forever ... or to include the spiritual would only be an afterthought as a meaningful purpose. without the slightest scientific understanding of the metaphysical that does include it.

Wherever water exists, there is life on Earth. That is possible on many other planets and moons. Throughout the universe.

So miraculous bacteria being created on earth is probably the norm.

Your god is just ******* with you. How much did you donate this year?

.

Wherever water exists, there is life on Earth. That is possible on many other planets and moons. Throughout the universe.

So miraculous bacteria being created on earth is probably the norm.

Your god is just ******* with you. How much did you donate this year?

So miraculous bacteria being created on earth is probably the norm.

number 1 may be answered by science, once they can create a self-replicating molecule from regular earth material in a test tube. That one's possible.

by science, once they can create a self-replicating molecule ...

your post ignored completely the post it was responding to ... that physiology exists as a metaphysical substance in guidance by a spiritual content and is universal and is found also on Earth but that if "scientist" were to create the physical substance would it also have a spiritual content (wants and needs) as the present metaphysical physiology that naturally evolved.

what would they be creating, both the spiritual content and the physical attribute or just the physical attribute that simply existed the same as an element. the evolutionary leap was not just from a molecule to an organism but also a sustainable awareness not previously in existence possessing physical attributes.

so sillyboobo is correct to say beings are indeed destined, have the ingredients to make possible for them to become gods by transforming themselves to a state of purity, a sabbath to live into perpetuity. being without sin.

I didn't ignore you. I just didn't want to embarrass you.

 

[RWS]

We've been talking for a while breezewood, and you have always had my side.

Now one of these freaks have changed you?

Really?