Business responds to $15 minimum wage demands

[jillian]

Automation has taken jobs for a while, and will only take more in the future. It has nothing to do with people demanding a living wage for their work.

and they fail to look at the profits of the companies crying about $15 wages.

no surprises there.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Walmart Launches Small Army Of Autonomous Scanning Robots
Well Libs, business will always outsmart politicians, the government policy makers and you freeloaders who want $$$ for doing nothing.
MILPITAS (KPIX 5) – Artificial intelligence will soon be put to work at Walmart stores around the country. And it could be a game-changer for retail.

The company is launching a small army of autonomous scanning robots.

The robots are 6 feet tall, equipped with an array of lights, cameras, and radar sensors.

It then goes up and down each aisle on its own, at 2 to 3 mph, scanning the shelves for empty spots, and also checking the price tags.

Because the robot uses LIDAR and other video cameras, what the robot actually sees is very similar to what a self-driving car sees.

Good for them. Jobs paying less than fourteen dollars an hour are simply being subsidized for private bottom lines not public bottom lines.

We might as well provide equal protection of the law for unemployment compensation purposes in our at-will employment States, at fourteen dollars an hour.

$14 an hour is about $3 less than minimum wage adjusted for real inflation already. It's a bigger race to the bottom for any kind of skilled labor, period, and that is especially true in any kind of technology these days. Once you screw over the blue collar and lower classes, guess which demographic is next in line for the same treatment?

Back in 1976 minimum wage was $2.10 an hour. A burger, fry and small drink cost a total of 95 cents. When minimum wage got up to $10 an hour that same meal was over $3.00. Why is it that when wages go up, inflation starts to follow?

A loaf of bread 10 cents in 1976, today it is $1.05
16 ounce bottle of soda, 10 cents, today a 12 ounce can $1.25
A trans am Firebird, $6,000, today if they made them $50,000.

Pay a person what they are worth, and soon, those people would be TRYING to improve their working conditions(Free agency). Those that rely on the government to take care of them(raising minimum wages) will never get better, but stay stupid and vote for the very people that keep them stupid. Democrats...

They will never paid more than what an employer can get away with paying them, period. You just have some ideological rubbish to peddle, and it doesn't reflect reality; you're delusional. And what's more, businesses never pass on cost savings if they don't have to, never have never will. Your little homilies and fantasies are cute, though.

You are just a bitter old welfare queen. Don't get tax breaks because you don't work. You hate anyone who isn't on welfare because they use their God given talents to succeed in life, while you sit and stew while sucking someone's else's seed like Chris Mathew on Obama's dick. Stay a victim of liberalism, is suits you well.

 

[Picaro]

Yes! And those robots are going to buy a lot more stuff from them, too!

Screw paying people anything! Business can't survive if it has to pay labor! ...

Of course, I my sons have gone into the military so they will be working on the most advanced computers and robots the military can provide. When they get out they will be much farther ahead than some college puke you makes coffee at a Starbucks.. And guess who will be fixing those robots?

Thank God for Liberals. Because of them, you can measure what "STUPID" is.

U.S. Military Working To Deploy Robot Ground Vehicles For Urban Combat By 2020

Too bad your stupid kids will spend most of their time laid off, since none of these businesses will have enough customers to justify buying robots in the first place when your big dreams come true. Your kids will either be unemployed like everybody else or just parasites with do nothing government jobs. I'm sure your kids will enjoy killing all those 'stupid people', and then finally being exterminated themselves when they're finished with their govt. job. And, since your kids will have lots of competition, it's easy enough to get away with paying them nothing as well, since they're just as expendable as anybody else, despite your delusional self-esteem fantasies.

Someone will need to fix the robots... Unlike you, you will be a victim of liberalism and DEMAND your welfare check.

Sorry dummy, but it doesn't take many people to fix robots, and your dumbass kids will be just a s expendable as any other idiot who wants more money than some other fool will do the job for. As for myself, I'll do just fine, I helped build and develop a lot of the laser hardware and optical systems that guide these things and make them possible, so I'm far better qualified than your kids are, and with years of experience to boot. If I ever have to go back to work I'll be firing your kids and replacing them with Chinese and Indians with green cards. Your kids are already behind the curve, along with hundreds of thousands of other idiots who believe what corporations run around lying about re 'labor shortages' and other hoaxes.

Wow, seems that you have low esteem for those who serve your country...

Hate to break it to you but our govt. had been hiring mercenaries for a while now, too. I do understand why you need to change the subject, though. And building drones and warbots.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Yes! And those robots are going to buy a lot more stuff from them..

/----/ Robots do have expendable parts and software updates. They are not without costs. Someone has to manufacture, sell, diagnosis, install and maintain these parts on a regular basis. Humans needed to provide these skills.

A definitive list of the parts that will fail over time on the robots.

Gear box: Needs vic's bearing mod otherwise it will eventually fail.
Brush: Only needs to be replaced once every 6-9 months
Beater: The rubber can tear if the roomba encounters rough obstacles but probably only needs to be replaced as often as the brush.
Side brush: Arms can break after 3-4 weeks of normal usage but there are ways to reattach them. Even if the arms didn't break off, I imagine the 'fishing line' would permanently bend over time and become less effective. Maybe replace the brush every 2-3 months.
Filter: Should replace it every 2-3 months to make sure it's effectively filtering out small bits.
Wheels: The wheels are made of some foam rubber or plastic and looks like it could will wear down rather fast. Probably needs replacing every 1-3 months?

 

[danielpalos]

Capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment, for public policy purposes; that is why Labor needs equal protection of the law, for unemployment compensation purposes.

 

[Picaro]

Walmart Launches Small Army Of Autonomous Scanning Robots
Well Libs, business will always outsmart politicians, the government policy makers and you freeloaders who want $$$ for doing nothing.
MILPITAS (KPIX 5) – Artificial intelligence will soon be put to work at Walmart stores around the country. And it could be a game-changer for retail.

The company is launching a small army of autonomous scanning robots.

The robots are 6 feet tall, equipped with an array of lights, cameras, and radar sensors.

It then goes up and down each aisle on its own, at 2 to 3 mph, scanning the shelves for empty spots, and also checking the price tags.

Because the robot uses LIDAR and other video cameras, what the robot actually sees is very similar to what a self-driving car sees.

Good for them. Jobs paying less than fourteen dollars an hour are simply being subsidized for private bottom lines not public bottom lines.

We might as well provide equal protection of the law for unemployment compensation purposes in our at-will employment States, at fourteen dollars an hour.

$14 an hour is about $3 less than minimum wage adjusted for real inflation already. It's a bigger race to the bottom for any kind of skilled labor, period, and that is especially true in any kind of technology these days. Once you screw over the blue collar and lower classes, guess which demographic is next in line for the same treatment?

Back in 1976 minimum wage was $2.10 an hour. A burger, fry and small drink cost a total of 95 cents. When minimum wage got up to $10 an hour that same meal was over $3.00. Why is it that when wages go up, inflation starts to follow?

A loaf of bread 10 cents in 1976, today it is $1.05
16 ounce bottle of soda, 10 cents, today a 12 ounce can $1.25
A trans am Firebird, $6,000, today if they made them $50,000.

Pay a person what they are worth, and soon, those people would be TRYING to improve their working conditions(Free agency). Those that rely on the government to take care of them(raising minimum wages) will never get better, but stay stupid and vote for the very people that keep them stupid. Democrats...

They will never paid more than what an employer can get away with paying them, period. You just have some ideological rubbish to peddle, and it doesn't reflect reality; you're delusional. And what's more, businesses never pass on cost savings if they don't have to, never have never will. Your little homilies and fantasies are cute, though.

You are just a bitter old welfare queen. Don't get tax breaks because you don't work. You hate anyone who isn't on welfare because they use their God given talents to succeed in life, while you sit and stew while sucking someone's else's seed like Chris Mathew on Obama's dick. Stay a victim of liberalism, is suits you well.

Pipe down, faggot. You just out yourselves when you fall back on your own personal activities. Stick to posting at Free Republic with the other cry babies living off govt. bailouts; you don't know enough to be happy posting here. you don't know shit about how business operates or its historical trends.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Automation has taken jobs for a while, and will only take more in the future. It has nothing to do with people demanding a living wage for their work.

and they fail to look at the profits of the companies crying about $15 wages.

no surprises there.

/------/ Here's a robot everyone is familiar with, the automobile. And a list of careers that were created over the last 100 years:
Automotive Related Jobs, Employment | Indeed.com

 

[Picaro]

Yes! And those robots are going to buy a lot more stuff from them..

/----/ Robots do have expendable parts and software updates. They are not without costs. Someone has to manufacture, sell, diagnosis, install and maintain these parts on a regular basis. Humans needed to provide these skills.

A definitive list of the parts that will fail over time on the robots.

Gear box: Needs vic's bearing mod otherwise it will eventually fail.
Brush: Only needs to be replaced once every 6-9 months
Beater: The rubber can tear if the roomba encounters rough obstacles but probably only needs to be replaced as often as the brush.
Side brush: Arms can break after 3-4 weeks of normal usage but there are ways to reattach them. Even if the arms didn't break off, I imagine the 'fishing line' would permanently bend over time and become less effective. Maybe replace the brush every 2-3 months.
Filter: Should replace it every 2-3 months to make sure it's effectively filtering out small bits.
Wheels: The wheels are made of some foam rubber or plastic and looks like it could will wear down rather fast. Probably needs replacing every 1-3 months?

I know what they need. Actually robots can do most of the maintenance as well. It's just a matter of how much capital there is to spend on them. As for humans, it doesn't take many to handle a large factory's needs. We're talking maybe dozens, and they will be a small blip relative to the population, and it's a cinch there will be 10's of thousands of qualified people, competing for a few dozen jobs, no different than today, which means those jobs won't be paying squat either.

 

[Picaro]

Automation has taken jobs for a while, and will only take more in the future. It has nothing to do with people demanding a living wage for their work.

and they fail to look at the profits of the companies crying about $15 wages.

no surprises there.

/------/ Here's a robot everyone is familiar with, the automobile. And a list of careers that were created over the last 100 years:
Automotive Related Jobs, Employment | Indeed.com
View attachment 184060

So what happens when less than 5% of the population can afford cars? And even if they can, they won't be able to afford to fix them or pay much to have them fixed? We already see that happening.

 

[martybegan]

if you demand more pay for work than the value of your work added to the final product, and a machine becomes more effective, then automation isn't the cause, it's the end result.

the laws of supply and demand work better, at fifteen dollars an hour.

U.S. job openings hit record high, nearly 6.2 million

if a person adds value at $12 an hour to flipping burgers but gets paid $15 an hour, how is that better?

fiat, baby. The difference in the cost of social services.

Or wishful thinking, which is probably what you are applying.

Why do you say that? Social services cost around fourteen dollars an hour, anyway.

If you want Labor, fifteen dollars an should be the minimum wage.

And if you want people to keep working you would shelve that idea.

People don't want to pay $7.00 for a Mcdonald's hamburger.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Automation has taken jobs for a while, and will only take more in the future. It has nothing to do with people demanding a living wage for their work.

and they fail to look at the profits of the companies crying about $15 wages.

no surprises there.

/------/ Here's a robot everyone is familiar with, the automobile. And a list of careers that were created over the last 100 years:
Automotive Related Jobs, Employment | Indeed.com
View attachment 184060

So what happens when less than 5% of the population can afford cars? And even if they can, they won't be able to afford to fix them or pay much to have them fixed? We already see that happening.

/----/
So what happens when less than 5% of the population can afford cars? And even if they can, they won't be able to afford to fix them or pay much to have them fixed? We already see that happening.[/QUOTE]
/----/ Less than 5%??? Are you seriously suggesting that???? Not even during the Great Depression. Talk about grasping at straws.

 

[Toro]

Automation has taken jobs for a while, and will only take more in the future. It has nothing to do with people demanding a living wage for their work.

Yes it does.

If the cost of labor is too high relative to productive output, labor will be replaced by automation.

It will accelerate when politicians peg the price of labor above its clearing price, as is happening at Walmart.

Wages are always ' way too high' for businesses, always have been, always will be. If their labor costs were zero they would whine about how they should be paid for hiring anybody. Businessmen whined about having to feed slaves, after all.

That’s irrelevant.

What is relevant is productivity to cost. If productivity is higher to cost, cost will be bid up to the clearing point of the return on capital.

Economics 101.

 

[danielpalos]

the laws of supply and demand work better, at fifteen dollars an hour.

U.S. job openings hit record high, nearly 6.2 million

if a person adds value at $12 an hour to flipping burgers but gets paid $15 an hour, how is that better?

fiat, baby. The difference in the cost of social services.

Or wishful thinking, which is probably what you are applying.

Why do you say that? Social services cost around fourteen dollars an hour, anyway.

If you want Labor, fifteen dollars an should be the minimum wage.

And if you want people to keep working you would shelve that idea.

People don't want to pay $7.00 for a Mcdonald's hamburger.

even the dollar menu won't double.

 

[danielpalos]

Automation has taken jobs for a while, and will only take more in the future. It has nothing to do with people demanding a living wage for their work.

Yes it does.

If the cost of labor is too high relative to productive output, labor will be replaced by automation.

It will accelerate when politicians peg the price of labor above its clearing price, as is happening at Walmart.

Wages are always ' way too high' for businesses, always have been, always will be. If their labor costs were zero they would whine about how they should be paid for hiring anybody. Businessmen whined about having to feed slaves, after all.

That’s irrelevant.

What is relevant is productivity to cost. If productivity is higher to cost, cost will be bid up to the clearing point of the return on capital.

Economics 101.

The "clearing point" is the equivalent cost to subsidize Labor for employers', bottom line. Fifteen dollars an hour.

 

[Cellblock2429]

if a person adds value at $12 an hour to flipping burgers but gets paid $15 an hour, how is that better?

fiat, baby. The difference in the cost of social services.

Or wishful thinking, which is probably what you are applying.

Why do you say that? Social services cost around fourteen dollars an hour, anyway.

If you want Labor, fifteen dollars an should be the minimum wage.

And if you want people to keep working you would shelve that idea.

People don't want to pay $7.00 for a Mcdonald's hamburger.

even the dollar menu won't double.

/----/ The original Dollar Menu

 

[danielpalos]

fiat, baby. The difference in the cost of social services.

Or wishful thinking, which is probably what you are applying.

Why do you say that? Social services cost around fourteen dollars an hour, anyway.

If you want Labor, fifteen dollars an should be the minimum wage.

And if you want people to keep working you would shelve that idea.

People don't want to pay $7.00 for a Mcdonald's hamburger.

even the dollar menu won't double.

/----/ The original Dollar Menu
View attachment 184065

Why not blame our Warfare-State spending?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Good for them. Jobs paying less than fourteen dollars an hour are simply being subsidized for private bottom lines not public bottom lines.

We might as well provide equal protection of the law for unemployment compensation purposes in our at-will employment States, at fourteen dollars an hour.

$14 an hour is about $3 less than minimum wage adjusted for real inflation already. It's a bigger race to the bottom for any kind of skilled labor, period, and that is especially true in any kind of technology these days. Once you screw over the blue collar and lower classes, guess which demographic is next in line for the same treatment?

Back in 1976 minimum wage was $2.10 an hour. A burger, fry and small drink cost a total of 95 cents. When minimum wage got up to $10 an hour that same meal was over $3.00. Why is it that when wages go up, inflation starts to follow?

A loaf of bread 10 cents in 1976, today it is $1.05
16 ounce bottle of soda, 10 cents, today a 12 ounce can $1.25
A trans am Firebird, $6,000, today if they made them $50,000.

Pay a person what they are worth, and soon, those people would be TRYING to improve their working conditions(Free agency). Those that rely on the government to take care of them(raising minimum wages) will never get better, but stay stupid and vote for the very people that keep them stupid. Democrats...

They will never paid more than what an employer can get away with paying them, period. You just have some ideological rubbish to peddle, and it doesn't reflect reality; you're delusional. And what's more, businesses never pass on cost savings if they don't have to, never have never will. Your little homilies and fantasies are cute, though.

You are just a bitter old welfare queen. Don't get tax breaks because you don't work. You hate anyone who isn't on welfare because they use their God given talents to succeed in life, while you sit and stew while sucking someone's else's seed like Chris Mathew on Obama's dick. Stay a victim of liberalism, is suits you well.

Pipe down, faggot. You just out yourselves when you fall back on your own personal activities. Stick to posting at Free Republic with the other cry babies living off govt. bailouts; you don't know enough to be happy posting here. you don't know shit about how business operates or its historical trends.

Bwaaaaaahhhhaaaaaaaaa....After 5 1/2 years working as a contractor in Saudi Arabia, I can live off my investments alone.. Just too fucking funny...

 

[iceberg]

Walmart Launches Small Army Of Autonomous Scanning Robots
Well Libs, business will always outsmart politicians, the government policy makers and you freeloaders who want $$$ for doing nothing.
MILPITAS (KPIX 5) – Artificial intelligence will soon be put to work at Walmart stores around the country. And it could be a game-changer for retail.

The company is launching a small army of autonomous scanning robots.

The robots are 6 feet tall, equipped with an array of lights, cameras, and radar sensors.

It then goes up and down each aisle on its own, at 2 to 3 mph, scanning the shelves for empty spots, and also checking the price tags.

Because the robot uses LIDAR and other video cameras, what the robot actually sees is very similar to what a self-driving car sees.

you're either worth the money you are paid or you are not.

ain't much middle ground in that. if not, something else will be found for long term savings.

period.

 

[Picaro]

Automation has taken jobs for a while, and will only take more in the future. It has nothing to do with people demanding a living wage for their work.

Yes it does.

If the cost of labor is too high relative to productive output, labor will be replaced by automation.

It will accelerate when politicians peg the price of labor above its clearing price, as is happening at Walmart.

Wages are always ' way too high' for businesses, always have been, always will be. If their labor costs were zero they would whine about how they should be paid for hiring anybody. Businessmen whined about having to feed slaves, after all.

That’s irrelevant.

What is relevant is productivity to cost. If productivity is higher to cost, cost will be bid up to the clearing point of the return on capital.

Economics 101.

Economics is not a real science. You don't seem to know this basic fact. Try using it with patent law protections and oligarchies, and see what happens to all those nice graphs and formulas, and the fact that there are very few competitors in any business these days, especially so for commodities and raw materials.

 

[Picaro]

$14 an hour is about $3 less than minimum wage adjusted for real inflation already. It's a bigger race to the bottom for any kind of skilled labor, period, and that is especially true in any kind of technology these days. Once you screw over the blue collar and lower classes, guess which demographic is next in line for the same treatment?

Back in 1976 minimum wage was $2.10 an hour. A burger, fry and small drink cost a total of 95 cents. When minimum wage got up to $10 an hour that same meal was over $3.00. Why is it that when wages go up, inflation starts to follow?

A loaf of bread 10 cents in 1976, today it is $1.05
16 ounce bottle of soda, 10 cents, today a 12 ounce can $1.25
A trans am Firebird, $6,000, today if they made them $50,000.

Pay a person what they are worth, and soon, those people would be TRYING to improve their working conditions(Free agency). Those that rely on the government to take care of them(raising minimum wages) will never get better, but stay stupid and vote for the very people that keep them stupid. Democrats...

They will never paid more than what an employer can get away with paying them, period. You just have some ideological rubbish to peddle, and it doesn't reflect reality; you're delusional. And what's more, businesses never pass on cost savings if they don't have to, never have never will. Your little homilies and fantasies are cute, though.

You are just a bitter old welfare queen. Don't get tax breaks because you don't work. You hate anyone who isn't on welfare because they use their God given talents to succeed in life, while you sit and stew while sucking someone's else's seed like Chris Mathew on Obama's dick. Stay a victim of liberalism, is suits you well.

Pipe down, faggot. You just out yourselves when you fall back on your own personal activities. Stick to posting at Free Republic with the other cry babies living off govt. bailouts; you don't know enough to be happy posting here. you don't know shit about how business operates or its historical trends.

Bwaaaaaahhhhaaaaaaaaa....After 5 1/2 years working as a contractor in Saudi Arabia, I can live off my investments alone.. Just too fucking funny...

Yes, I thought you were probably some govt. subbed parasite; they're usually the ones who babble such nonsense. I've also noticed how they're usually the ones who stampede over women, children, and the handicapped to get to the front of the line for bennies and freebies when they go broke.