Breaking: Woman shot while trying to kill ICE agents in Minnesota

[Bitterhook]

The point about the law, as was already posted, it's not the opinion of the officer that is determinant.

I am not disregarding the law at all, just indicating your opinion of it is not actually the arbiter of anything, and it is still your opinion

What you think doesn't matter in accordance with the law.
You are probably not a judge, probably aren't sitting on a grand jury, probably don't represent the court, and may not be another officer.

All those are requirements of the law you are referring to.
Hate to break it to you, but you just aren't that important, and even if you are a lawyer, save it for the courtroom.

Or continue to argue your opinion like it means something when it doesn't.
You could also discuss why you think it was a tragedy, and express how regrettable the entire event was, but that still won't make you the arbiter of the law.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Nope, there's no other way a sane person can look at Good's shooting.

She wasn't shot for a parking violation you idiot.

You don't have to agree the shooting was justified so why do you lie about why she was?

 

[el midgetron]

And YET, you are the same people screaming about fascism when simply asked to wear a mask to enter a market. Real fascism is happening right before your eyes, not your fake made up snowflake cries of fascism when forced to isolate during a pandemic or wear a facemask.

You don't violate 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th and 14th amendment rights to enforce immigration policy. No policy is above the constitution. You better believe ICE are the modern day Brownshirts of nazi germany.

Yeah? Says the same people who convinced you that men can get pregnant. No one cares about your CNN induced delusions. In just the past decade, Democrats have become so radical that they are unrecognizable. Totally drunk on propaganda.

 

[Care4all]

the officer in question believed he was in imminent danger dumbass.

Why did he think that....under all the circumstances? Think that he was going to be killed by a 5mph moving car, and why did he kill her, AFTER he was out of the way on the side, and NOT in any danger, at all, let alone death imminent? His kill shot was from the side, with no imminent danger of death....not the front....and why did he call her a ******* ***** after he killed her?

It needs to honestly ....be investigated, not covered up as Trump and his corrupt Doj are doing....

 

[meaner gene]

Why did he think that....under all the circumstances? Think that he was going to be killed by a 5mph moving car, and why did he kill her, AFTER he was out of the way on the side, and NOT in any danger, at all, let alone death imminent? His kill shot was from the side, with no imminent danger of death....not the front....and why did he call her a ******* ***** after he killed her?

It needs to honestly ....be investigated, not covered up as Trump and his corrupt Doj are doing....

They decided the FBI is going to investigate.
The same Kash Patel running FBI that is firing FBI agents for investigating people Trump didn't want to be investigated.

Imagine being given the assignment to investigate the Good shooting, knowing if Patel doesn't like you substantiating charges against the officer, he'll fire you.

But if you conclude, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that it was a justified shooting, Patel would probably give you a promotion.

No pressure.

 

[Care4all]

They decided the FBI is going to investigate.
The same Kash Patel running FBI that is firing FBI agents for investigating people Trump didn't want to be investigated.

Imagine being given the assignment to investigate the Good shooting, knowing if Patel doesn't like you substantiating charges against the officer, he'll fire you.

But if you conclude, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that it was a justified shooting, Patel would probably give you a promotion.

No pressure.

The Civil Rights Division of the FBI is who is the protocol Investigators on all use of deadly force by an officer.

The Trump administration refused to follow procedure, and 6 of the experienced prosecutors and non partisan investigator staff quit, resigned because of it....and 6 more in the fbi field office in Minnesota also resigned because of not following protocol as well.

The trump crony FBI might be investigating, but it is NOT who is suppose to be investigating it, the non partisan...Civil Rights Division of the doj/fbi....from what I understand....

 

[Care4all]

And to which your opinion has no bearing.

You weren't there looking at what the agent was looking at from his point of view.
Your life was not, and will not be in jeopardy, so there are in fact no consequences for your foolish opinion.
His response to what he perceived is not and will never be up for you to decide.

If it's up to how the courts rule, that means the court, and that's not you and will never be you.

Oh for goodness sake! Of course it will never be up to me, to decide! What would even give you that crazy idea?

Her death, caused by the officer's use of deadly force in to a car, per protocol is always investigated by the non partisan Civil Rights division of the doj/FBI, and that is what should happen, and must happen....

 

[meaner gene]

The trump crony FBI might be investigating, but it is NOT who is suppose to be investigating it, the non partisan...Civil Rights Division of the doj/fbi....from what I understand....

Dateline 2025 Trump planned this well in advance.

Press | Dismantling of DOJ's Civil Rights Division

Justice Connection discusses the purging of DOJ civil rights attorneys.

www.thejusticeconnection.org

Since President Trump was inaugurated, the Justice Department has driven out approximately 75% of attorneys from the Civil Rights Division. It’s also radically scaled back enforcement of the nation’s civil rights laws and constitutional protections.

Career staff and leadership have been forced out

the DOJ gave Congress and a list of departures released in October

nearly 400 people, including 75 percent of attorneys, have left the division since January.

 

[meaner gene]

... per protocol is always investigated by the non partisan Civil Rights division of the doj/FBI, and that is what should happen, and must happen....

And with Patel and Bondi in charge, won't happen.
That I would bet on.

 

[krichton]

No, the reason they didn't complain about obama is because he was a black democrat President.

As to asking people for ID?

The actual law...

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(a)Powers without warrant

Any officer or employee of the Service authorized under regulations prescribed by the Attorney General shall have power without warrant—

(1)to interrogate any alien or person believed to be an alien as to his right to be or to remain in the United States;
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(5)to make arrests—

(A)
for any offense against the United States, if the offense is committed in the officer’s or employee’s presence, or

(B)
for any felony cognizable under the laws of the United States, if the officer or employee has reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be arrested has committed or is committing such a felony,

8 U.S. Code § 1357 - Powers of immigration officers and employees
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Yes, or no, were ICE swarming american cities, detaining random brown ppl, breaking into people's homes, kidnapping them off the street, pulling people out of their cars, waiting for them on job sites, etc, under Obama? I won't hold my breath waiting for an answer.

 

[krichton]

Yeah? Says the same people who convinced you that men can get pregnant. No one cares about your CNN induced delusions. In just the past decade, Democrats have become so radical that they are unrecognizable. Totally drunk on propaganda.

Thank you for not addressing a single thing I said, it proves I'm right.

 

[el midgetron]

Thank you for not addressing a single thing I said, it proves I'm right.

Well Matlock, you didn’t address any of my points either. I guess by your own logic, that proves me right.

 

[meaner gene]

Yes, or no, were ICE swarming american cities, detaining random brown ppl, breaking into people's homes, kidnapping them off the street, pulling people out of their cars, waiting for them on job sites, etc, under Obama? I won't hold my breath waiting for an answer.

ICE technically was swarming American cities.
Swarming being a judgement call.
The rest is pretty much a NO !
Republicans even complained that children were being kept in ICE detention centers.
Without saying, they were there with their parents, to avoid family separations.

Trump 45 in his first term, enacted the family separation policy, where he purposefully took kids from their parents, and without any kind of system to track them.

The family separation policy under the first Trump administration was a controversial immigration enforcement strategy implemented in the United States from 2017 to 2018, aimed at deterring illegal immigration by separating migrant children from their parents or guardians. The policy, presented to the public as a "zero tolerance" approach,

Under the policy, federal authorities separated children and infants from parents or guardians with whom they had entered the U.S.The adults were prosecuted and held in federal jails or deported, and the children were placed under the supervision of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).

By early June 2018, it emerged that the policy did not include measures to reunite the families that it had separated.

Scott Lloyd, director of the Office of Refugee Resettlement, had directed his staff not to maintain a list of children who had been separated from their parents

Matthew Albence, head of enforcement and removal operations for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, had told his colleagues to prevent reunification even after the parents had been processed by the judicial system, saying that reunification "undermines the entire effort"

 

[JoeB131]

She wasn't shot for a parking violation you idiot.

You don't have to agree the shooting was justified so why do you lie about why she was?

The parking violation was the inciting incident. ICE escalating it into a shooting was completely on them. A discussion that ends with one side saying, "I'm not mad at you, Bro" and ends with three bullets to the face and "******* *****" was escalated beyond sanity.

Over a parking violation.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

The parking violation was the inciting incident.

No. To begin with, she wasn't parked, she was blocking traffic. Secondly, there was the incessant, blowing of the horn which probably violated a noise ordinance.

ICE escalating it into a shooting was completely on them.

By asking her to get out of her vehicle? Is that what you're calling escalation?

A discussion that ends with one side saying, "I'm not mad at you, Bro" and ends with three bullets to the face and "******* *****" was escalated beyond sanity.

Over a parking violation.

It wasn't a parking violation, it was a deliberate blocking of traffic. And it escalated when she punched the gas and hit the officer.

She was there doing what she was doing to protest ICE's presence. That was her intention. They knew this and she wanted them to know this. She wanted you and everyone else to know this. So why you insist on lying about it is beyond me.

 

[JoeB131]

No. To begin with, she wasn't parked, she was blocking traffic. Secondly, there was the incessant, blowing of the horn which probably violated a noise ordinance.

She wasn't blocking traffic, they were easily able to drive around her.

A noise ordinance? Shooting someone in the face three times over a noise ordinance? Are you ******* kidding me?

By asking her to get out of her vehicle? Is that what you're calling escalation?

"asking"?

Masked men approaching her vehicle with guns drawn and screaming profanities at her is not 'asking', it's presenting a clear threat to her well-being and running the risk of triggering a "fight or flight' response, which is exactly what happened.

Most peace officers are trained in de-escalation tactics. These Jackboots were clearly escalating.

But, hey, she was a race traitor and probably had it coming, right?

She was there doing what she was doing to protest ICE's presence. That was her intention. They knew this and she wanted them to know this. She wanted you and everyone else to know this. So why you insist on lying about it is beyond me.

She has every right to protest ICE's presence.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Why did he think that....under all the circumstances? Think that he was going to be killed by a 5mph moving car,

Because she obviously meant to go faster than that. She was trying to get the hell out of there when they asked her to get out of her vehicle.

and why did he kill her, AFTER he was out of the way on the side, and NOT in any danger, at all, let alone death imminent? His kill shot was from the side, with no imminent danger of death....not the front....and why did he call her a ******* ***** after he killed her?

It needs to honestly ....be investigated, not covered up as Trump and his corrupt Doj are doing....

How can they cover it up? The entire incident is on video.

I'm not telling you these things because I think the shooting was justified, I don't know if it was or not. That's for the folks who oversee such things to determine. But it's important that people like you understand Goode's role in the escalation of events to put it in its proper perspective. This is not entirely on ICE or the officer. She played her part and she played it well right up to the point where they asked her to get out of her vehicle. This is when she fucked up and things went off the rails.

 

[Bitterhook]

Oh for goodness sake! Of course it will never be up to me, to decide! What would even give you that crazy idea?

Her death, caused by the officer's use of deadly force in to a car, per protocol is always investigated by the non partisan Civil Rights division of the doj/FBI, and that is what should happen, and must happen....

The law was written before the incident happened, and not necessarily to suit your desires in interpreting what occurred.
There is currently an FBI investigation (that includes the Civil Rights Division), there could also be a civilian review (it's called a grand jury) if decided, they will probably ask the opinion of other officers.

None of that includes the baker or the candlestick maker (unless of course they are seated on the grand jury), and there is a reason for that. That reason is because the people investigating, the people on the grand jury, and the officers are properly instructed in the law, and the officers are aware of what conditions on the ground mean.

That's because your desires to interpret the law, really don't have any bearing, and if you would like them to have more bearing, you probably need to go to law school and become a lawyer (if you haven't already), and you can argue your case in court.

Meanwhile, all you have is an opinion that is getting you nowhere.
And for starters, the investigators, the grand jury and the officers, will not simply ignore Renee Good's culpability in what happened, and likewise, she is not the only person involved that has Rights.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

She wasn't blocking traffic, they were easily able to drive around her.

She was blocking an entire lane and therefore impeding traffic. It doesn't matter that people could drive around her, no one is allowed to do that, even in protest. And the other motorists shouldn't have to drive around her. That's what the two lanes are for.

A noise ordinance? Shooting someone in the face three times over a noise ordinance? Are you ******* kidding me?

If they were going to shoot her for violating a noise ordinance then they wouldn't have bothered asking her to get out of the vehicle, dumbass.

"asking"?

Masked men approaching her vehicle with guns drawn and screaming profanities at her is not 'asking', it's presenting a clear threat to her well-being and running the risk of triggering a "fight or flight' response, which is exactly what happened.

It wasn't "...guns drawn...", it was ONE gun drawn and she probably didn't even see it it because 1.) he didn't draw it until the other officer asker her to get out of the vehicle and 2.) he had it pointed down at his side. He didn't raise and fire the weapon until she punched the gas and hit him.

Most peace officers are trained in de-escalation tactics. These Jackboots were clearly escalating.

By asking her to get out of the vehicle?

But, hey, she was a race traitor and probably had it coming, right?

What does race have to do with this?

She has every right to protest ICE's presence.

You say this as if I suggested she doesn't. Are you saying I did?

 

[JoeB131]

She was blocking an entire lane and therefore impeding traffic. It doesn't matter that people could drive around her, no one is allowed to do that, even in protest. And the other motorists shouldn't have to drive around her. That's what the two lanes are for.

She was only blocking one lane.

ICE could drive around her.

Everyone else in that neighborhood was on her side.

If they were going to shoot her for violating a noise ordinance then they wouldn't have bothered asking her to get out of the vehicle, dumbass.

They didn't ask, they screamed profanities at her and threatened her with guns.

It wasn't "...guns drawn...", it was ONE gun drawn and she probably didn't even see it it because 1.) he didn't draw it until the other officer asker her to get out of the vehicle and 2.) he had it pointed down at his side. He didn't raise and fire the weapon until she punched the gas and hit him.

Wait now, either she intentionally ran him over or she didn't see him? Make up your mind.

What does race have to do with this?

You wouldn't be so understanding if this were ATF shooting a wingnut instead of ICE shooting an immigration protestor.

You say this as if I suggested she doesn't. Are you saying I did?

You do have a lovely habit of saying, "I didn't say that".