‘Breaking Through’ — States Report Growing Number of COVID Cases Among Fully Vaccinated

[sparky]

Good to know that you know you are being lied to.

you are in no position to debate TRUTH...

then who in the blue f*ck is?

It's just that "deaths were higher during the period of time we were vaccinating people", but during a time that there was an already occurring COVID case surge.

you want an eyes wide shut CT? dig around for the rna therapy's 'operating system' , more than one medical authority will either call it that, or 'medical device'.

Juxtapose this with Moderna Therapy's original (well over a decade old) aspirations.

it'll get yer knickers in a knot......~S~

 

[colfax_m]

you want an eyes wide shut CT? dig around for the rna therapy's 'operating system' , more than one medical authority will either call it that, or 'medical device'.

I have a lot of background knowledge and I think the rna vaccine is brilliant because it is so limited.

Not sure what you think I’m going to find by this “digging around”.

 

[sparky]

I have a lot of background knowledge and I think the rna vaccine is brilliant because it is so limited.

you've the floor sir!.....do opine on it!

~S~

 

[phoenyx]

I don't see anything interesting about this. The vaccines are not 100%. They are 94 and 95% effective, and some say it's 90% effective in the real world. That means that, yes, some ppl will still catch covid19 regardless of whether they've been vaccinated. The good news is, of that those ppl will not require hospitalization, or even experience anything more than slight symptoms.

Looks like you didn't read everything I quoted from the article linked to in the OP. To whit:
"...since Feb. 1, eight people with vaccine breakthrough cases were hospitalized and the DOH “is investigating two potential vaccine breakthrough cases where the patients died."

 

[sparky]

"...since Feb. 1, eight people with vaccine breakthrough cases were hospitalized and the DOH “is investigating two potential vaccine breakthrough cases where the patients died."

that we know of.....and none of the long range effects are in yet ~S~

 

[sparky]

oh and, ring ip the media's 'fourth wave' while yer at it.....~S~

 

[phoenyx]

Perhaps Wordpress is not up to your exacting standards, but you're not exactly publishing a paper here yourself. The article has multiple links to other articles and 32 references. I've never seen a forum post with anywhere near that.

The blog article you've published is another crazy crackpot website giving us such gems as this:
"These climate engineering programs that are spraying dangerous nanoparticles into our atmosphere every day, and then activated by EMF radiation like 5G, are causing far more sickness and disease than any virus can, including producing “flu-like” symptoms."

URGENT: New Documentary Proves Climate Engineering by Controlling the Weather (NOT “Global Warming”) is Destroying Life and the Planet: Immediate Danger FAR Greater than COVID-19 - Medical Kidnap

As the world has been dominated for the past year by the fake threat that the Globalists want us to believe COVID-19 presents, a much greater risk to human health and the very life that exists on this planet has been covered up, until now. In a very well documented and brilliantly produced...

medicalkidnap.com

I didn't look at other articles published by medicalkidnap. I'm not saying that all their articles are good, just that it seems to be the source of the title of the article I originally linked to regarding Israel's vaccination. For those not knowing the backstory to this subthread, the original article I'm speaking of is here:

Death rates skyrocket in Israel following Pfizer experimental COVID “vaccines”

Death Rates in Israel Pfizer Experimental vaccine By Brian Shilhavy “This is a new Holocaust” Haim Yativ and Dr. Seligmann We have previously reported how Israel rapidly vaccinated the highest perc…

foreignaffairsintelligencecouncil.wordpress.com

 

[phoenyx]

oh and, ring ip the media's 'fourth wave' while yer at it.....~S~

Could you explain what you mean by this? Are you suggesting I do an internet search on the fourth wave perhaps? I did just now on duckduckgo, this was the first article to come up:

COVID-19’s fourth wave is hitting the US hard

A fourth wave of coronavirus infections is beginning to mount in states across the nation as health experts and officials beg pandemic-exhausted Americans to stay vigilant.The United States has rep…

thehill.com

 

[sparky]

Could you explain what you mean by this?

panic porn on the eve of our pharmacabal's biggest venture yet

are you scared phoenyx?

because that's the aim .....

~S~

 

[colfax_m]

you've the floor sir!.....do opine on it!

I mean, if you want to generate a broad and durable immune response, it’s really smart to develop a vaccine that produces an entire surface protein or a virus so that your immune system can generate and polyclonal antibody response to a variety of epitopes. And the use of mRNA to make it self limiting is very smart.

It’s a brilliant vaccine because it is so highly adaptable.

 

[colfax_m]

Perhaps Wordpress is not up to your exacting standards, but you're not exactly publishing a paper here yourself. The article has multiple links to other articles and 32 references. I've never seen a forum post with anywhere near that.

The blog article you've published is another crazy crackpot website giving us such gems as this:
"These climate engineering programs that are spraying dangerous nanoparticles into our atmosphere every day, and then activated by EMF radiation like 5G, are causing far more sickness and disease than any virus can, including producing “flu-like” symptoms."

URGENT: New Documentary Proves Climate Engineering by Controlling the Weather (NOT “Global Warming”) is Destroying Life and the Planet: Immediate Danger FAR Greater than COVID-19 - Medical Kidnap

As the world has been dominated for the past year by the fake threat that the Globalists want us to believe COVID-19 presents, a much greater risk to human health and the very life that exists on this planet has been covered up, until now. In a very well documented and brilliantly produced...

medicalkidnap.com

I didn't look at other articles published by medicalkidnap. I'm not saying that all their articles are good, just that it seems to be the source of the title of the article I originally linked to regarding Israel's vaccination. For those not knowing the backstory to this subthread, the original article I'm speaking of is here:

Death rates skyrocket in Israel following Pfizer experimental COVID “vaccines”

Death Rates in Israel Pfizer Experimental vaccine By Brian Shilhavy “This is a new Holocaust” Haim Yativ and Dr. Seligmann We have previously reported how Israel rapidly vaccinated the highest perc…

foreignaffairsintelligencecouncil.wordpress.com

The backstory is what I have a problem with given the depth of this analysis seems so incredibly superficial, as far as I can tell, because these articles are also monstrously vague.

That’s the problem with nutty articles like this, they just throw shit out there without really explaining what they’re talking about and assume none of the target audience really thinks about it beyond the headline. The target audience is people who want to believe vaccines are bad so they don’t really have to put any effort into making a sound argument, just tell them what they want to hear.

As an example of this, can you describe in your own words how these people came to their conclusion that death rates skyrocketed because of the vaccine?

 

[phoenyx]

Could you explain what you mean by this?

panic porn on the eve of our pharmacabal's biggest venture yet

are you scared phoenyx?

because that's the aim .....

~S~

I'm not even sure that there -is- a Cov 2 virus, or it's just the original Cov virus repackaged. Back in June, a journalist friend of mine named Rosemary Frei who has done medical journalism wrote an article with another journalist arguing that there's no hard evidence that we're even dealing with a new virus:

https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/09/scientists-have-utterly-failed-to-prove-that-the-coronavirus-fulfills-kochs-postulates/

She wrote another interesting article in July with Patrick Corbett that I believe made a persuasive case that there is little evidence that the alleged Cov 2 virus is anywhere near as lethal as the mainstream media claims:

“No one has died from the coronavirus”

Rosemary Frei and Patrick Corbett A high-profile European pathologist is reporting that he and his colleagues across Europe have not found any evidence of any deaths from the novel coronavirus on t…

off-guardian.org

I do believe there is -something- new on the horizon, though. Dr. Cameron Kyle-Sidell and other doctors persuaded me of that:

Doctors Suspect Mystery COVID-19 Lung Problems, Plea for New Approach - MedicineNet Health News

Some doctors are questioning the way ventilators are being used for people with serious cases of COVID-19.

www.medicinenet.com

What I'm still not sure of is what's causing it. Perhaps it's a new coronavirus, perhaps it's an old one with a silght variation, perhaps covid 19 is made worse with certain vaccines such as the flu shot, perhaps the new 5G is doing the same. Air pollution making Covid 19 worse is a theory that even the mainstream media has picked up on.

Meanwhile, I've been reading articles that all the Covid 19 vaccines are terrible. So yes, I'm very scared, but not of the alleged Cov 2 virus per se, but rather of a host of other things surrounding its alleged existence.

 

[phoenyx]

I didn't look at other articles published by medicalkidnap. I'm not saying that all their articles are good, just that it seems to be the source of the title of the article I originally linked to regarding Israel's vaccination. For those not knowing the backstory to this subthread, the original article I'm speaking of is here:

Death rates skyrocket in Israel following Pfizer experimental COVID “vaccines”

Death Rates in Israel Pfizer Experimental vaccine By Brian Shilhavy “This is a new Holocaust” Haim Yativ and Dr. Seligmann We have previously reported how Israel rapidly vaccinated the highest perc…

foreignaffairsintelligencecouncil.wordpress.com

The backstory is what I have a problem with given the depth of this analysis seems so incredibly superficial, as far as I can tell, because these articles are also monstrously vague.

That’s the problem with nutty articles like this, they just throw shit out there without really explaining what they’re talking about and assume none of the target audience really thinks about it beyond the headline. The target audience is people who want to believe vaccines are bad so they don’t really have to put any effort into making a sound argument, just tell them what they want to hear.

As an example of this, can you describe in your own words how these people came to their conclusion that death rates skyrocketed because of the vaccine?

Dug around a bit in the above linked article, found a post from a covid 19 vaccine researcher in Israel. I believe the text is in hebrew, but google chrome translated it into english for me. I've taken the google chrome translation and pasted it below:
**

� Published: Monday 01.02.21 0:48 Subject of the announcement: Can it be scientifically proven that Pfizer's vaccine is currently the leading cause of high mortality in Israel and around the world Is it possible to scientifically prove that Pfizer's "vaccine" is the leading cause of high mortality in Israel and around the world today? The article here tries to answer this question. Morbidity and mortality are not declining despite the vaccine, which should be called gene therapy and not vaccine, the Ministry of Health does not understand why this happens, on the other hand the Minister of Health boasts that the vaccine works well and that it raises the level of antibodies. This is how it was published last week. I will try on the basis of scientific articles, which the Ministry of Health prefers to ignore, try to explain why the morbidity is rising, vaccinators are dying (although this fact is not yet completely official but clear to all reasonable) and why on the other hand people treated with natural vitamin D and zinc treatment easily overcome the disease. According to various reports among them by Dr. Arie Avni ( see his Facebook page and post below ), in fact as it seems the answer to the questions lies in the same phenomenon. The measure of success for the vaccine set for itself by the Ministry of Health and all those who worship the messenger-RNA vaccine is the development of antibodies that will make it possible to eradicate the virus. This measure of success is clearly subjective since no one has proven that the dead from Corona died due to a lack of antibodies but far from it as it turns out. Since the so-called "epidemic" outbreak, all hospitals and all researchers have learned that it is the cytokine storm that causes the deaths of patients, in that it mainly causes the collapse of the lungs that eventually causes suffocation. See the article in question here We will ignore in this article the phenomenon of blood clotting which is now known and relatively controlled in hospitals. Prof. Didier Rault, a world expert on viruses, has repeatedly said on various occasions that at the height of the disease, even the most difficult patients manage to eradicate the virus, but what kills them is ultimately the uncontrollable cytokine storm. See the attached study that strengthens his remarks: How COVID-19 induces cytokine storm with high mortality Further reinforcement he says is obtained from a study conducted at Tel Aviv University which shows that the severe patients are not deficient in antibodies to the corona virus but on the contrary their amount of antibodies increases faster than those of the mild patients. But apparently this sudden rise involves a general inflammation which is centered on the cytokine outbreak as elucidated in the above study. This is how the attached study at Tel Aviv University is quoted as saying: "Severe corona patients develop antibodies faster than patients in a mild condition" Severe patients also produce antibodies "The second thing we noticed, and it's even more interesting, is that patients defined as blue in a severe condition developed antibodies faster than patients in a mild condition, but in the end all the patients showed a similar immune response," says Prof. Munitz. "That is, it does not matter if the patient was mild, moderate or severe, he developed antibodies at the same level. This is an important finding because it could be thought that the severe patients got into their difficult condition because they may not have developed antibodies, and their body has no effective way to defend against the virus. We estimate that the rapid development of the antibodies indicates an overactivity of the immune system in these patients, but this is a hypothesis that needs further research. " And now of course the question arises as to why those who fell more severely are the ones who developed antibodies faster? The answer seems simple although it requires proof, because of their looser overall health, their bodies probably needed antibodies faster to prevent virus damage to vital cells as quickly as possible. But to her and a thorn in her side, the rapid proliferation of antibodies is also involved in a general inflammatory condition and cytokine outbreak. The cytokines whose normal function is to help the immune system in all sorts of ways maintain the vital cells and fight hostile elements become in love with the enemy. And so it happens that in the severely endangered patients the lungs begin to be blocked due to the damage to the various cells and vascular systems caused by the cytokine outbreak. Hence the simple question what good did the Pfizer sages and the Ministry of Health benefit from in their regulation in that they further increase the amount of antidotes of the weak candidates who are seriously ill with corona and who may have already contracted the virus? Nor is it that by raising the level of antibodies they also turn borderline or healthy people into potentially difficult patients by raising their risk of suffering from cytokine outbreak. This could also explain the fact that patients who recovered from Corona and were vaccinated were severely affected by the vaccine, which led Clalit and Meuhedet HMOs to issue a statement on Tuesday as quoted: In light of Corona Vaccine Inventory Balances, you are welcome to arrive today, 29/01/2021, without an appointment , To Meuhedet's vaccination compound in the Sharonim Mall, Hod Hasharon or in Rabin Square, cell. Until 14:00. According to the guidelines of the Ministry of Health, corona recoverers will not be vaccinated at this stage. Strong health. A particularly worrying message if we take into account that many have passed the corona without being aware of it and that the Ministry of Health does not check at all before vaccination if the vaccinated have already passed the disease without their knowledge. Pfizer and the Ministry of Health will claim that raising the level of antibodies will prevent the vaccinee from being killed by the virus being eliminated before it can develop in the body, but all these promises are not worth it if the person has already met the virus and his body is already dealing with it. Another question that arises from the answers of the Ministry of Health which admits that it does not know how long the vaccine is effective and how long the antibodies take place, see below. And if it's three months then what good has it done to put three million citizens into the uncertainty and danger of gene therapy for such a short defense with the possibility of the disease breaking out much more severely afterwards? Here it is worth mentioning that all these also do not take into account the damage that may be caused in the long run to vaccinators, auto-training diseases, cancer, infertility and more as many experts around the world have called for, see the criminal complaint filed in France in this regard. Nor do they take into account the medium-term damage of about six months from the IDA phenomenon which is not the place to elaborate. Nor the short-term damage due to the development of virus mutations in the vaccinated as detailed in the criminal complaint filed in France in December 2020 see here and now back to natural medicine, why on the other hand vitamin D and zinc allow according to many studies to overcome the disease? The reason is again related to cytokine, it has been scientifically proven that vitamin D and zinc are essential for the proper functioning of the immune system and allow regulation of the amount of cytokines that spread in the body, since too much is harmful, the almost only available brakes to stop the cytokine outbreak are those vitamins. See, among other things, the attached article below regarding vitamin C: Intravenous vitamin C for reduction of cytokines storm in acute respiratory distress syndrome See, among other things, the attached article regarding vitamin D: The Role of Vitamin D in Suppressing Cytokine Storm in COVID-19 Patients and Associated Mortality See, among other things, the attached article below about zinc: Prediction of survival odds in COVID-19 by zinc, age and selenoprotein P as composite biomarker and now we will return to experts from the Ministry of Health and Pfizer who do not understand why quantity The dead are rising and why as Avigdor Lieberman revealed it they are forced to hide from the public that hundreds of people who received the second vaccine are becoming seriously ill in Corona. See the interview here in light of the above The reason is seemingly simple, instead of helping them prevent the outbreak of cytokines they do just the opposite: they put foreign substances into the body of patients weakening their natural immune system and in addition they increase their amount of antibodies to an excessive level Overproduction of cytokine causes health damage that kills them. This is in addition to the general inflammation that apparently causes the symptoms of cardiac arrest and stroke we are witnessing, inflammation which was mentioned in the criminal complaint filed in France against the vaccine coefficients, see here and now results of close to 95 percent claimed by Pfizer, these success rates were not measured worldwide The real but on healthy people who have not been sick before in the corona, in limited quantity and without proper control as required by routine vaccination over the years, haste from the devil said, so it may turn out in this case. I would like to clarify that the HM is a total computer engineer who graduated from the Technion in Haifa. Although I tend to be interested in all the professions that time allows me but I am not a medical expert, however when my friends fell ill in Corona and were abandoned by the health system to suffocate without treatment alone in their home, I was conscientiously asked to come to their aid. Vitamin C and other natural remedies. It is now clear beyond any doubt that the combination of hydroxychloroquine and zinc saves from corona, just as it is clear that the blunt publicity against chloroquine was a distortion. R. or the article now published in the American Journal of the prestigious Medicine and that the whole Western world has been deceived in this regard by the World Health Organization, the French government and also Facebook as published yesterday. Hence the conclusion is that when so many factors deceive the public and mute doctors are left with only us citizens who think to make order between lies and truth and this was the purpose of the above article, which does not purport to prove unequivocally that this is the reason but raises an informed hypothesis which points to systems madness Which allegedly made the citizens of Israel victims of a very dangerous experimental "vaccine". Sincerely Haim

**

Source:

האם ניתן להוכיח מדעית כי החיסון של פייזר הוא הגורם העיקרי כיום לתמותה הגבוהה בישראל ובעולם-הודעות של נקים

חדשות `נקים`, פורומים ללא הרשמה למען חופש המידע, הביטוי והמאבק בשחיתות-האתר של הטוקבקיסט החופשי : האם ניתן להוכיח מדעית כי החיסון של פייזר הוא הגורם העיקרי כיום לתמותה הגבוהה בישראל ובעולם-הודעות של נקים

www.nakim.org

 

[colfax_m]

Dug around a bit in the above linked article, found a post from a covid 19 vaccine researcher in Israel. I believe the text is in hebrew, but google chrome translated it into english for me. I've taken the google chrome translation and pasted it below

Thank you. Can you explain it in your own words?

 

[phoenyx]

Dug around a bit in the above linked article, found a post from a covid 19 vaccine researcher in Israel. I believe the text is in hebrew, but google chrome translated it into english for me. I've taken the google chrome translation and pasted it below

Thank you. Can you explain it in your own words?

Why reinvent the wheel? Instead of having me rehash what Haim has already said, you might consider saying whether you have doubts about or flat out disagree with his theories and why.

 

[sparky]

you've the floor sir!.....do opine on it!

I mean, if you want to generate a broad and durable immune response, it’s really smart to develop a vaccine that produces an entire surface protein or a virus so that your immune system can generate and polyclonal antibody response to a variety of epitopes. And the use of mRNA to make it self limiting is very smart.

It’s a brilliant vaccine because it is so highly adaptable.

Admittedly it is brilliantly engineering our immunological response to adapt polyconal antibodies to any given antigen, which was Moderna's goal for quite some time. This is why it's often referred to as an operating system / medical device.....aka gene therapy. They were out to address all virus' , not just specific ones. In their worldview, they've created an almost God like cure

In mine, as well as many HC professionals, they've f*cked with God's creation.

I'll wager that this conversation may be very different looking back years from now

~S~

 

[DrLove]

The sociopath Tony Fraudi, Bill Gates, etc., are very pleased with the vaccines. Moderna for example, which was actually made before the Kung Flu got a foot hold because of democrats and sociopath Fraudi denying the Kung Flu existed. Meanwhile a healthy immune system is the only thing that protects against viruses and bacteria. And of course everyone but Fraudi knows that D3 and Zinc enhance the immune system.

Thank you bigly for the expert guidance Dr Snouter!

 

[WEATHER53]

This is the latest hoax peddling that the lockdown loons are doing
“The vaccine is not working”, back under the bed and stay there.

 

[colfax_m]

you've the floor sir!.....do opine on it!

I mean, if you want to generate a broad and durable immune response, it’s really smart to develop a vaccine that produces an entire surface protein or a virus so that your immune system can generate and polyclonal antibody response to a variety of epitopes. And the use of mRNA to make it self limiting is very smart.

It’s a brilliant vaccine because it is so highly adaptable.

Admittedly it is brilliantly engineering our immunological response to adapt polyconal antibodies to any given antigen, which was Moderna's goal for quite some time. This is why it's often referred to as an operating system / medical device.....aka gene therapy. They were out to address all virus' , not just specific ones. In their worldview, they've created an almost God like cure

In mine, as well as many HC professionals, they've f*cked with God's creation.

I'll wager that this conversation may be very different looking back years from now

~S~

I think calling it gene therapy is misleading, since gene therapy is typically used to describe modification of genetic diseases, like PKU or sickle cell anemia. Calling it gene therapy sounds more like a scare tactic than an attempt to be descriptive.

I have no idea what you’re talking about by saying they’ve “fucked with Gods creation”. No one is fucking with any creation. Just attempting to protect people from illness.

 

[colfax_m]

Dug around a bit in the above linked article, found a post from a covid 19 vaccine researcher in Israel. I believe the text is in hebrew, but google chrome translated it into english for me. I've taken the google chrome translation and pasted it below

Thank you. Can you explain it in your own words?

Why reinvent the wheel? Instead of having me rehash what Haim has already said, you might consider saying whether you have doubts about or flat out disagree with his theories and why.

I don’t think you understand what they’re saying.

Being able to explain it in your own words would prove you do.

To be honest, a lot of that post was pseudoscience and gibberish. Anytime someone starts going on about curing disease with vitamins and minerals, they’re almost certainly snake oil salesmen. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.