Zone1 Breaking News: The Earth is Older than 6,000 years old

[ding]

I don’t know. It I sure as hell do not trust or automatically believe the so-called “scientists”. The same ones that told us the COVID shot was “safe & effective”. The same bunch that tell us Climate Change is the biggest threat. The same ones that tell us men can give birth.

Ball park it for me. Is it 6,000 years old as some believe? Millions of years old? Or billions of years old?

 

[theHawk]

Ball park it for me. Is it 6,000 years old as some believe? Millions of years old? Or billions of years old?

I said I do not know.

I used to believe it was 13 billion years like scientists have claimed. But I question everything now since scientists have been wrong so often. I am more inclined to believe the Bible than scientists. If God created the universe instead of it being some random natural process, then he easily could had and would had done it in a way we can’t explain with science.

So until scientists can explain how life came from raw elements of the universe, I will stick to the biblical account.

 

[ding]

I said I do not know.

I used to believe it was 13 billion years like scientists have claimed. But I question everything now since scientists have been wrong so often. I am more inclined to believe the Bible than scientists. If God created the universe instead of it being some random natural process, then he easily could had and would had done it in a way we can’t explain with science.

So until scientists can explain how life came from raw elements of the universe, I will stick to the biblical account.

So you believe it could be as young as 6,000 years? And you think that is more accurate than what science says?

So things like the Grand Canyon were created to look like it took millions of years to carve out? And the same thing for strata which clearly show different geologic deposition processes (sandstone formations, limestone formations, shale formations, etc.) also were made to look like it took millions of years?

 

[theHawk]

Do you believe it could be as young as 6,000 years as some have suggested?

Why not?

Are you claiming God didn’t have the ability to create the universe as it is?


All science about the size of the universe and galaxies is junk science. They have to come up with totally unscientific beliefs like “cosmic inflation” and “dark energy” and “dark matter” to explain how the universe is the way it is. There is no logical explanation for it, so they come up with mumbo-jumbo terms like that, it’s the same as believing in fairy dust.

 

[ding]

If God created the universe instead of it being some random natural process, then he easily could had and would had done it in a way we can’t explain with science.

Why can't the natural processes be from God? A part of God's plan? Why wouldn't that be even more amazing? Or glorify God even more? There's really nothing that happens in the universe that is random. The universe is quite logical. And God is logic among other "things."

 

[ding]

Why not?

Are you claiming God didn’t have the ability to create the universe as it is?


All science about the size of the universe and galaxies is junk science. They have to come up with totally unscientific beliefs like “cosmic inflation” and “dark energy” and “dark matter” to explain how the universe is the way it is. There is no logical explanation for it, so they come up with mumbo-jumbo terms like that, it’s the same as believing in fairy dust.

Why not? Because the evidence against that is overwhelming.

Are you arguing that it would be more powerful for God to create the universe as it is to make it look like it is billions of years old, rather than for God to will existence into being and have it evolve and unfold according to his plan?

What purpose would God have in trying to trick us into believing the universe only looks like it was created billions of years ago? Whereas the purpose of God breathing existence into being and it unfolding exactly as he planned reveals his majesty and glory and serves as a test.

See Romans 1:18-23

 

[toobfreak]

If God created the universe instead of it being some random natural process, then he easily could had and would had done it in a way we can’t explain with science.

Can't explain with science? But wouldn't that make the creation of the universe supernatural? Besides, at best, science only succeeds in theorizing on part of its creation, there is still much we can only guess at.

 

[otto105]

^^ LOL thanks for proving my point. It’s all “relative”.

Carbon dating is not “absolute” because it is all based on assumptions such as what the cosmic ray radiation levels were thousands of years ago.
Both your answers are circular definitions.

In other words, there is no actual “absolute dating” objects. It’s all a guess.

Hilarious

How can you even put your pants on?

So, no science and just the lord said something a man wrote 300 years after he died.


Bully fir you.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

the bible does not say earth is 6000 years old

 

[Votto]

I said I do not know.

I used to believe it was 13 billion years like scientists have claimed. But I question everything now since scientists have been wrong so often. I am more inclined to believe the Bible than scientists. If God created the universe instead of it being some random natural process, then he easily could had and would had done it in a way we can’t explain with science.

So until scientists can explain how life came from raw elements of the universe, I will stick to the biblical account.

I highly recommend a book on the subject

https://www.amazon.com/Genesis-Big-Bang-Discovery-Harmony/dp/0553354132?tag=usmb-20

The problem here is that you get a scientist who is a novice theologian go up against a theologian who is a novice scientist. When this happens, both experts in their field diss the other as not knowing anything, which is true on some level because they are a novice in the other field.

However, Dr. Schroeder has become an expert in both theology and science and is a Jew. He then is able to give an articulate and educated presentation for both on the subject.

Schroeder decided to delve within Jewish theology on the subject where he found a consensus from ancient Rabbinical writings that show they did not embrace a 6000-year-old universe view from Genesis they translated from Hebrew. Along with passed down knowledge, they concluded that the universe was much older. But how? It had to do with the intricacies of interpreting the Hebrew account of Genesis those other translations, like the King James Translation, had problems translating accurately. But even with the King James translation, you still get the idea that they were not talking about a 6 day creation

Just read Genesis 2:4 to see that

“These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,”

How did we go from 6 days to "generations"?

Also, science has other ways to measure the age of the universe. From his book, "The age of the universe has been measured using a variety of independent technological systems, including radio-active dating. Doppler shifts in starlight, and the isotropic "3 degrees" above zero radiation background. Therfore, an error that might have occurred in one would not appear in the others. Yet the data taken from these diverse studies present a strong and scientifically consistent argument for a very old Earth and an even older universe."

 

[theHawk]

Hilarious

How can you even put your pants on?

So, no science and just the lord said something a man wrote 300 years after he died.


Bully fir you.

You’re free to explain the scientific process of how life was created from raw atomic elements of the universe.

So far you, and all scientists, got nothing.

 

[buttercup]

I don’t know. It I sure as hell do not trust or automatically believe the so-called “scientists”. The same ones that told us the COVID shot was “safe & effective”. The same bunch that tell us Climate Change is the biggest threat. The same ones that tell us men can give birth.

/ thread.

 

[toobfreak]

But even with the King James translation, you still get the idea that they were not talking about a 6 day creation

I have never believed that the creation of the universe happened in six days and on the 7th, God rested, for that is based on the time period of a week, a time period invented by mankind thousands of years later. Instead, "days" were mere time periods which the author merely called days because a day was the only time period he know of to use.

In reality, a day could have been millions or billions of years long, but was simply put into a context the reader (and writer) could relate to.

 

[Votto]

You’re free to explain the scientific process of how life was created from raw atomic elements of the universe.

So far you, and all scientists, got nothing.

This is pretty funny



Yep, abiogenesis is the Achilles heel of the atheist.

They got noth'in!!

 

[ding]

Ding has to be suggesting that rocks are alive. He also doesn't believe in Jonah living in the big fish!
Catholic backslider trying to save the dead Pope's reputation.

The account of Genesis tells us that what we see occurred over time in a sequential fashion. They knew 6,000 years before science knew.

 

[Woodznutz]

I have never believed that the creation of the universe happened in six days and on the 7th, God rested, for that is based on the time period of a week, a time period invented by mankind thousands of years later. Instead, "days" were mere time periods which the author merely called days because a day was the only time period he know of to use.

In reality, a day could have been millions or billions of years long, but was simply put into a context the reader (and writer) could relate to.

"Creation Week" was God setting the table for modern man, just like the inventor of "Monopoly". Without the game board and the various pieces and rules there's no game.

 

[PeterPilot]

Such pretty pictures used to advance religious dogma and sophistry!!!

 

[Donald H]

Ball park it for me. Is it 6,000 years old as some believe? Millions of years old? Or billions of years old?

I think I've (or we've) found a way to bring out such prises as TheHawk! What a treat!

 

[Donald H]

There are two main ways to determine the age of a rock:

• Relative dating: Geologists determine the age of a rock by determining the age of the group of rocks, or formation, that it is found in.
  https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=6e0e...2dpc3RzLWtub3ctaG93LW9sZC1hLXJvY2staXMv&ntb=1
• Absolute dating: The numerical ages of rocks in the Geologic Time Scale are determined by radiometric dating, which makes use of a process called radioactive decay. Radiometric dating works because radioactive elements decay at a known rate.
  https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=8fe2...0aXN0cy1kYXRlLXJvY2tzLWFuZC1mb3NzaWxzLw&ntb=1

For an added chuckle, see how the Hawk goes on about cosmic radiation! LOL

 

[Donald H]

So until scientists can explain how life came from raw elements of the universe, I will stick to the biblical account.

Which is 6000 years! Come on Hawk, if I can do it then you can too!

Having faith is worth being laughed at for us!