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NEWS CREATION SCIENCE UPDATE MAN WAS RECENTLY AND MIRACULOUSLY CREATED IN THE IMAGE OF GOD
Y-Chromosome Study Confirms Genesis Flood Timeline
BY JEFFREY P. TOMKINS, PH.D. * |
TUESDAY, DECEMBER 17, 2019
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Based on biblical chronologies, we can determine that the global Flood recorded in Genesis occurred about 4,500 years ago.1 After the Flood, the earth was repopulated by Noah’s three sons and their wives. So we should find genetic signatures of this timeline in human DNA. While a number of previous studies by both secular and creation scientists have supported this general timeline,2-3 a recent study using extensive newly available high quality DNA sequence data for the human Y-chromosome spectacularly confirms the earlier research and solidifies the Bible’s history of modern human origins.4

When the chronologies and genealogies of the Bible are analyzed, humans were created about 6,000 years ago as one original ancestral couple—Adam and Eve.1,5 However, the human genome went through a genetic bottleneck about 4,500 years when only the DNA from Noah’s three sons and their wives was used to repopulate the Earth. This bottleneck must also be taken into account when analyzing DNA. These Bible-based dates conflict with evolutionary speculation that claims modern humans did not arise until about 100,000 to 200,000 years ago from ancestors migrating out of Africa.

To help resolve the controversy, two scientists, one a molecular biologist and the other a statistician, downloaded newly available DNA sequence for the Y-chromosome that was more comprehensive and covered much longer contiguous DNA regions that had not existed previously. The Y-chromosome is particularly useful in studying human pedigrees and mutations because it has no chromosomal counterpart in the human genome with which to exchange genetic information in a process called recombination. When sperm and egg cells are formed in a person, the 22 autosome pairs (one derived from the father and one from the mother) will exchange DNA segments with each other. Because this does not occur with the Y-chromosome, it is more genetically stable and thus very useful in genetic clock studies.

In this current study, the authors note that if humans have actually been around for several hundred thousand years or more, they should have accumulated 8 to 59 times the amount of mutations that we currently observe in Y-chromosome DNA sequence. However, the researchers in this current study empirically demonstrate that we only observe about 4,500 years of mutation accumulation in the paternal ancestry contained in the record of the human Y chromosome.

In regards to the significance of these new results, the lead scientist in the study, Nathaniel Jeanson, stated in an interview with ICR staff,

This study now adds an independent line of evidence to the genetic case for young-earth creation. Previous studies looking at DNA inherited through females reflected the recent origin of humanity at creation and then through Noah’s son’s wives at the Flood. This new study now shows that DNA inherited through males reflects the same timescale.​

(See references below referring to the previous maternal mutation rate studies Jeanson performed using mitochondrial DNA.6-7)

In summarizing the huge challenge this new study presents to the secular science community, Jeanson stated,

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I’m anxious to see how the evolutionists try to dismiss this second, independent line of genetic evidence for the young-earth timescale. Not only do they have to explain why the data contradict evolution, they have to also explain why the data are such a tight match with the predictions of Biblical creation. And they have to do it both for DNA inherited through females, and now also for DNA inherited through males.​

Indeed, these new results are, not only a sound dismissal of evolutionary speculation, but a huge confirmation for the recent origins of mankind as revealed in the literal history of the Bible given in Genesis.

References
1. Hardy, C. and R. Carter. 2014. The biblical minimum and maximum age of the earth. Journal of Creation. 28 (2): 89-96.
2. Tomkins, J. P. 2015. Genetic Clocks Verify Recent Creation. Acts & Facts. 44 (12): 9-11.
3. Tomkins, J. P. 2019. Six Biological Evidences for a Young Earth. Acts & Facts. 48 (5):10-13.
4. Jeanson, N. T. and A. D. Holland. 2019. Evidence for a Human Y Chromosome Molecular Clock: Pedigree-Based Mutation Rates Suggest a 4,500-Year History for Human Paternal Inheritance. Answers Research Journal. 12 (2019) 393-404.
5. Johnson, J. J. 2008. How Young Is the Earth? Applying Simple Math to Data in Genesis. Acts & Facts. 37 (10): 4-5.
6. Jeanson, N. T. 2015. A Young-Earth Creation Human Mitochondrial DNA “Clock”: Whole Mitochondrial Genome Mutation Rate Confirms D-Loop Results. Answers Research Journal. 8:375–378.
7. Jeanson, N. T. 2016. On the Origin of Human Mitochondrial DNA Differences, New Generation Time Data Both Suggest a Unified Young-Earth Creation Model and Challenge the Evolutionary Out-of-Africa Model. Answers Research Journal. 9: 123–130.

Dr. Tomkins is Life Sciences Director at the Institute for Creation Research and earned his doctorate in genetics from Clemsonov

Just for fun… But sometimes one needs more facts just to get a conversation boiling…This doesn’t explain the difference in how old the earth is just possibly the people in it and the timeframe as to when they came into being….. toodles

 

[hobelim]

Nope. Christianity versus Judaism was the division Christ created;

Do you think that I have come to bring peace to the earth? No, I tell you, but division. / From now on, five in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three. / They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law. And a man’s will find his enemies living under this own roof."

Nothing is said here about Judaism vs Christianity (which did not exist at the time) or any division between religions. It is about separating the sheep from the goats among all people, nations, kingdoms and languages.

Just like the law, the light of creation, created a division between day and night, clean and unclean, life and death.

the old covenant and new covenant; the OT and NT.

No, the New covenant is the same as the Old covenant. Jesus just renewed what had become lost to time after the death of Moses who said the people would turn aside from the WAY he taught to follow the Law and take to degrading practices, what Jesus called "the traditions of men", what is now known as the Talmud.

So the only thing that became obsolete after the revelation of Jesus was the wrong WAY to follow the law, not the law itself which Jesus said would remain in effect and in full force for as long as heaven and earth endure.

As you so perfectly demonstrate.

So obvious even a caveman can understand it.

And since the truth remains about your grasp what does that make you? Less intelligent than a caveman.

 

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NEWS CREATION SCIENCE UPDATE MAN WAS RECENTLY AND MIRACULOUSLY CREATED IN THE IMAGE OF GOD
Y-Chromosome Study Confirms Genesis Flood Timeline
BY JEFFREY P. TOMKINS, PH.D. * |
TUESDAY, DECEMBER 17, 2019
Share Email Facebook X Pinterest
Based on biblical chronologies, we can determine that the global Flood recorded in Genesis occurred about 4,500 years ago.1 After the Flood, the earth was repopulated by Noah’s three sons and their wives. So we should find genetic signatures of this timeline in human DNA. While a number of previous studies by both secular and creation scientists have supported this general timeline,2-3 a recent study using extensive newly available high quality DNA sequence data for the human Y-chromosome spectacularly confirms the earlier research and solidifies the Bible’s history of modern human origins.4

When the chronologies and genealogies of the Bible are analyzed, humans were created about 6,000 years ago as one original ancestral couple—Adam and Eve.1,5 However, the human genome went through a genetic bottleneck about 4,500 years when only the DNA from Noah’s three sons and their wives was used to repopulate the Earth. This bottleneck must also be taken into account when analyzing DNA. These Bible-based dates conflict with evolutionary speculation that claims modern humans did not arise until about 100,000 to 200,000 years ago from ancestors migrating out of Africa.

To help resolve the controversy, two scientists, one a molecular biologist and the other a statistician, downloaded newly available DNA sequence for the Y-chromosome that was more comprehensive and covered much longer contiguous DNA regions that had not existed previously. The Y-chromosome is particularly useful in studying human pedigrees and mutations because it has no chromosomal counterpart in the human genome with which to exchange genetic information in a process called recombination. When sperm and egg cells are formed in a person, the 22 autosome pairs (one derived from the father and one from the mother) will exchange DNA segments with each other. Because this does not occur with the Y-chromosome, it is more genetically stable and thus very useful in genetic clock studies.

In this current study, the authors note that if humans have actually been around for several hundred thousand years or more, they should have accumulated 8 to 59 times the amount of mutations that we currently observe in Y-chromosome DNA sequence. However, the researchers in this current study empirically demonstrate that we only observe about 4,500 years of mutation accumulation in the paternal ancestry contained in the record of the human Y chromosome.

In regards to the significance of these new results, the lead scientist in the study, Nathaniel Jeanson, stated in an interview with ICR staff,

This study now adds an independent line of evidence to the genetic case for young-earth creation. Previous studies looking at DNA inherited through females reflected the recent origin of humanity at creation and then through Noah’s son’s wives at the Flood. This new study now shows that DNA inherited through males reflects the same timescale.​

(See references below referring to the previous maternal mutation rate studies Jeanson performed using mitochondrial DNA.6-7)

In summarizing the huge challenge this new study presents to the secular science community, Jeanson stated,

​

I’m anxious to see how the evolutionists try to dismiss this second, independent line of genetic evidence for the young-earth timescale. Not only do they have to explain why the data contradict evolution, they have to also explain why the data are such a tight match with the predictions of Biblical creation. And they have to do it both for DNA inherited through females, and now also for DNA inherited through males.​

Indeed, these new results are, not only a sound dismissal of evolutionary speculation, but a huge confirmation for the recent origins of mankind as revealed in the literal history of the Bible given in Genesis.

References
1. Hardy, C. and R. Carter. 2014. The biblical minimum and maximum age of the earth. Journal of Creation. 28 (2): 89-96.
2. Tomkins, J. P. 2015. Genetic Clocks Verify Recent Creation. Acts & Facts. 44 (12): 9-11.
3. Tomkins, J. P. 2019. Six Biological Evidences for a Young Earth. Acts & Facts. 48 (5):10-13.
4. Jeanson, N. T. and A. D. Holland. 2019. Evidence for a Human Y Chromosome Molecular Clock: Pedigree-Based Mutation Rates Suggest a 4,500-Year History for Human Paternal Inheritance. Answers Research Journal. 12 (2019) 393-404.
5. Johnson, J. J. 2008. How Young Is the Earth? Applying Simple Math to Data in Genesis. Acts & Facts. 37 (10): 4-5.
6. Jeanson, N. T. 2015. A Young-Earth Creation Human Mitochondrial DNA “Clock”: Whole Mitochondrial Genome Mutation Rate Confirms D-Loop Results. Answers Research Journal. 8:375–378.
7. Jeanson, N. T. 2016. On the Origin of Human Mitochondrial DNA Differences, New Generation Time Data Both Suggest a Unified Young-Earth Creation Model and Challenge the Evolutionary Out-of-Africa Model. Answers Research Journal. 9: 123–130.

Dr. Tomkins is Life Sciences Director at the Institute for Creation Research and earned his doctorate in genetics from Clemsonov

I'll mark you down as believing in a young earth.

 

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Do you think that I have come to bring peace to the earth? No, I tell you, but division. / From now on, five in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three. / They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law. And a man’s will find his enemies living under this own roof."

Nothing is said here about Judaism vs Christianity (which did not exist at the time) or any division between religions. It is about separating the sheep from the goats among all people, nations, kingdoms and languages.

Just like the law, the light of creation, created a division between day and night, clean and unclean, life and death.


No, the New covenant is the same as the Old covenant. Jesus just renewed what had become lost to time after the death of Moses who said the people would turn aside from the WAY he taught to follow the Law which was replaced with what Jesus called "the traditions of men", what became known as the Talmud.

So the only thing that became obsolete after the revelation of Jesus was the wrong WAY to follow the law, not the law itself which Jesus said would remain in effect and in full force for as long as heaven and earth endure.


And since the truth remains about your grasp what does that make you? Less intelligent than a caveman.

Jesus did bring division; Christianity vs Judaism, NT vs OT, New Covenant vs Old Covenant. So much division.

 

[hobelim]

So you believe Jesus died so you can eat bacon?

No, Jesus lived and died trying to teach "the lost sheep of the house of Israel" that the Law was figurative, the subjects hidden, specifically that the subject of Kosher Law, what defiles and contaminates the mind, what is clean or unclean flesh, is not about what goes into your mouth and out of your ass, its about what goes into your mind and out of your mouth so that they would be freed from the burden of the law, which is the death, a curse, for failure to comply, and made abundantly clear, easy enough for a caveman to understand, what is the only right Way to understand and comply with Divine Law that fulfills the promise of abundant blessing and eternal life in the sanctuary of God NOW while living on earth, not after you die or at some distant future at the end of time.

 

[hobelim]

Jesus did bring division; Christianity vs Judaism, NT vs OT, New Covenant vs Old Covenant. So much division.

You are a very stupid man.

So who created over 30,000 divisions within Christianity? And you all still have the whole damn story all wrong?

Jesus?

I don't think so.

and do you still stand by this this gem?

I think people who create conflict and division between religions and within religions are pieces of shit.

 

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No, Jesus lived and died trying to teach "the lost sheep of the house of Israel" that the Law was figurative, the subjects hidden, specifically that the subject of Kosher Law, what defiles and contaminates the mind, what is clean or unclean flesh, is not about what goes into your mouth and out of your ass, its about what goes into your mind and out of your mouth so that they would be freed from the burden of the law, which is the death, a curse, for failure to comply, and made abundantly clear, easy enough for a caveman to understand, what is the only right Way to understand and comply with Divine Law that fulfills the promise of abundant blessing and eternal life in the sanctuary of God NOW while living on earth, not after you die or at some distant future at the end of time.

Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.

 

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You are a very stupid man.

So who created over 30,000 divisions within Christianity? And you all still have the whole damn story all wrong?

Jesus?

I don't think so.

and do you still stand by this this gem?

You aren't Jesus. Your division is fueled by hate. His division is fueled by love.

 

[hobelim]

You aren't Jesus. Your division is fueled by hate. His division is fueled by love.

I am creating a new heaven and a new earth, new firmament, basis, upon which people from every nation kingdom tribe language and religion can find common ground to firmly stand together and live in peace and understanding and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. Its already been done. It can't be undone.

You want to desperately cling to the religious flotsam of a sunken ship for the rest of your days? So be it.

Enjoy!

 

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I am creating a new heaven and a new earth and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it.

I don't care what you do one way or another.

 

[hobelim]

I don't care what you do one way or another.

Right.

That would explain why you are so pathetically obsessed with my every post as if a you were a jilted lover.

You don't care one way or the other.

 

[irosie91]

Jesus did bring division; Christianity vs Judaism, NT vs OT, New Covenant vs Old Covenant. So much division.

Jesus has nothing to do with it

 

[hobelim]

Jesus has nothing to do with it

That's right.

When superstitious pagans usurped authority over Jewish scriptures without any knowledge or understanding about the figurative language the prophets used they created a rabid monster that only the Vorpel sword can slay.

 

[irosie91]

That's right.

When superstitious pagans usurped authority over Jewish scriptures without any knowledge or understanding about the figurative language the prophets used they created a rabid monster that only the Vorpel sword can slay.

I lost my vorpel-----I have been mimsy lately

 

[hobelim]

I lost my vorpel-----I have been mimsy lately

Not to worry! Take heart!

I will lead the beast on a catch me if you can wild goose chase and in the meantime, while that fearsome fire breathing scarlet beast huffs and puffs making great displays of rage from discomfit, trying in vain to bite my head off, the rest of the tribe can make it safely to the sanctuary of God. After the slaughter I'll meet you there.

 

[irosie91]

Not to worry!

I will lead the beast on a catch me if you can wild goose chase and in the meantime, while that fearsome fire breathing beast huffs and puffs making great displays of discomfit, the rest of the tribe can make it to safety.

We have learned to reject the vorpel and foreign wild goose chasers

 

[hobelim]

We have learned to reject the vorpel and foreign wild goose chasers

I don't blame you especially after a long list of failed messiahs that looked exactly like Hashev. Ego maniacs in fancy schmancy robes and silly hats who think the world would end if they couldn't slaughter goats in a temple.

But you really don't have to do anything. Just watch. How hard is that? The proof is in the pudding! But if you don't eat your meat you can't have any pudding! How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?

 

[irosie91]

I don't blame you, especially after a very long list of failed messiahs that looked exactly like Hashev. Ego maniacs in fancy schmancy robes, who think the world would stop if they couldn't slaughter goats in a temple.

But you really don't have to do anything. Just watch. How hard is that?

I never met anyone who wanted to slaughter goats in a temple or know of such
a person historically. There have, certainly, been no shortage of messiahs but
none of them had a fancy crucifixion story. Mostly they have stimulated a flurry
of experimentation in and development of newer antipsychotic meds

 

[hobelim]

I never met anyone who wanted to slaughter goats in a temple or know of such a person historically.

Speak with Hashev. Apparently he is currently in hiding. He thinks he is destined to be the next holy butcher.

There have, certainly, been no shortage of messiahs but none of them had a fancy crucifixion story.

Don't forget those powerful supernatural "miracles of the lie" that scripture is to be taken literally! Hard to beat!

Mostly they have stimulated a flurry of experimentation in and development of newer antipsychotic meds

Yeah, I'm sure they are grateful for being unwitting subjects of experiments. Got to keep those loonies in check! Just one escaping a chemical straight jacket could inspire others and imperil the entire fancy House of Cards.

Can you imagine how great of a noise that all of it crashing down would make? It might even wake the dead!

Oy gevalt!

 

[hobelim]

Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.

That's right! So what the **** are you doing on your knees in church dicking around with bread and wine?