BREAKING: Most of Trump's tariffs ruled illegal

[Meathead]

Wear a tampon for Shitler!

I think you mean Walz, but you get he lost, right?

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Look at you, making stuff up to soothe yourself.

Adorable!

ouch?

 

[Meister]

What national emergency?

37 trillion debt

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Because the gubmints pleading were a total shitshow. They were lucky the judges didn't laugh their ignorant lying asses out of court.

plus you're not upset with my reply.

 

[The Duke]

Only congress can tax. It’s as clear as your right to free speech.

Only congress can tax. The President doesn’t have that power.

Weak dodge. You are being asked why and how he has the rights under the constitution.

Which part(s), specifically?

False.

It gives Jameson Greer the power to do that, after a process. A process for each country and each instance.

Sec. 301 TRADE ACT OF 1974 124 (it's the law passed by Congress, Butt Boils)

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What Trump and the trade secretary do is pre-authorized by Congress unless that Act is amended or repealed.

 

[popscottpopscott]

Not these tariffs, sorry.

You do understand that was the ruling, right?

Obviously YOU don't... we have been being paying tariffs for years from other countries... Trump is getting that field in check.... throw in NO TAXES ON TIPS AND OVERTIME..

 

[Care4all]

Thank you for your opinion, Care4all.

Trump was protecting the middle class with extending that tax cut.
Other countries kept raising their tariffs.
Just the interest from our debt has become a staggering amount.
Other presidents have imposed tariffs, so it does give the president the power.
So I'm sorry you feel the way you do, and we don't agree.

But, it is an emergency.

It would have saved $2 trillion dollars if they had used the Democratic proposal of extending the tax cuts up to $500,000 in taxable income, and cancel the income above the $500k from any tax cut reprieve.

Trump is not negotiating with those countries that you say have raised tariffs on us....he is not dealing with any of our trade issues....one on one.
He simply through the world in to absolute chaos with all of these off the wall and crazy tariffs above 100%. With no thought or reason or planning on how his crazy crap coming out of his mouth affects all of our small businesses here. He's lazy, and an idiot.

Trump chose to add to that exploding national debt.

No president has ever imposed tariffs....without Congress, and no President has negotiated tariffs without first getting permission with a vote by Congress.

Trump did not get that...

 

[TimFitz]

Thank you for your opinion, Care4all.

Trump was protecting the middle class with extending that tax cut.
Other countries kept raising their tariffs.
Just the interest from our debt has become a staggering amount.
Other presidents have imposed tariffs, so it does give the president the power.
So I'm sorry you feel the way you do, and we don't agree.

But, it is an emergency.

Most of your response is false.

Trump’s tax cuts were heavily weighted toward the investor class and their brokers, not working class America.

No, other countries were not raising tarriffs. Trump started a trade war, upending 75 years of American leadership in free trade.

Trump manufactured this “crisis”, and has thrown banking and business around the world into uncertainty. he does not appear to have an actual plan.

I don’t know why you mention interest on the national debt. Your fuhrer will borrow and spend another $5 trillion, and he has three years to go.

No, President’s don’t have taxing authority. And, a tarriff is a tax. No President has ever imposed a tarriff without an act of Congress.

 

[Blaster]

There is no emergency.

Previous Presidents didn’t invent them out of thin air to justify their reckless or draconian policies.

There was no emergency cause for a trade war.

There was no emergency for the military occupation of Washington, DC

You have no business sense so go post on another thread.

 

[TimFitz]

You have no business sense so go post on another thread.

What does that even mean?

Trump has no legal authority to impose a tarriff without an act of Congress.

My business sense has nothing to do with it.

Don’t tell me that you are one of the fools who believe the notion that we can tariff the national debt away?!

Is that what that was about?

 

[Meister]

What does that even mean?

Trump has no legal authority to impose a tarriff without an act of Congress.

My business sense has nothing to do with it.

Don’t tell me that you are one of the fools who believe the notion that we can tariff the national debt away?!

Is that what that was about?

So, what's your solution to reduce the national debt, Fritz?
Green New Deal?
Biden's Inflation Reduction Act?

Come on Man!

 

[BackAgain]

This ruling is basically irrelevant. SCOTUS will decide this issue.

I think the SCOTUS WILL decide this one.

Then the question is: will they find the dissent more legally valid (as, having skimmed most of the decisions, I do) OR will they find the majority and concurring opinion(s) more persuasive?

I have to concede that, contrary to my assumption, at first, the majority did seem to honestly address this issue in a legalistic way (i.e., it doesn’t strike me as simply a political expression by some left-leaning jurists).

For me, though, the statutes in question say what they say and if the President’s interpretation means he is allowed to proceed as he has, then this emergency does deserve some actual meaningful action.

 

[BackAgain]

What does that even mean?

Trump has no legal authority to impose a tarriff without an act of Congress

ms.Fit, you dolt, he was relying on previous acts of Congress.

My business sense has nothing to do with it.

Or much of anything.

Don’t tell me that you are one of the fools who believe the notion that we can tariff the national debt away?!

That’s not the question, you fool. The question is who gets to make those decisions? Under no circumstances is it you.

There is no emergency.

As the words of a famous song go (more or less): it’s not for you to say. But I believe you’re flatly wrong. Our long ignored debt problem has indeed become an emergency.

Previous Presidents didn’t invent them out of thin air to justify their reckless or draconian policies.

Oh, horseshit. First of all, your claim is false. And secondly, it’s also not what President Trump did.

There was no emergency cause for a trade war.

Repeating yourself isn’t really “argument.”

There was no emergency for the military occupation of Washington, DC

Yes, there was. But, even so, the DC Home Rule doesn’t demand that there be an emergency.

 

[BackAgain]

If only anyone cared along the way to getting that far in the hole.

And they still raised the so-called debt ceiling by trillions with that last CR.

Raising the so-called debt ceiling by trillions more doesn't sound like they're very confident in the validity of their narrative to me.

But, yeah...for years people kept saying that the debt is getting out of hand and that eventually they were gonna tank it should they continue the same model. But people laughed. Called em tin foil hat wearing something or another.

And here we are. It's suddenly an ''Emergency'' now. But nobody wants to sleep in the bed they made for themselves, instead choosing to insidiously tax Americans by emperor's decree to the tune of trillions of dollars from behind the cloak of tariffs. The most recent justification I read around here for the 4 trillion dollar tax decree was someone posted that Trump had said that both democrats and republicans believe and agree with the very same government that got you into this ''Emergency'' in the first place when they say, hey, everything's gonna be A-okay. I giggled my ass off when I read that.

And now they want to artificially lower interest rates, rather than letting the market itself dictate such matters (which it ultimately will anyway, regardless of what they do) thus encouraging Americans to go even further into debt.

We got this far by not doing much of anything to address the problem (indeed, through these last several decades, it has been made worse). That’s how it has BECOME an emergency.

 

[San Souci]

He went too far. He did NOT follow the law in the so called emergency power, and the emergency power never included tariffs....taxing us, without representation....


....we fought a revolutionary war against King George, for just that....

**** the Law--It was good business--Time to expunge ALL Lib Laws

 

[TimFitz]

So, what's your solution to reduce the national debt, Fritz?
Green New Deal?
Biden's Inflation Reduction Act?

Come on Man!

I take it that you must be one of the fools who believe this idiotic fairy tale.

The numbers don’t even come close to working.

It’s a fairy tale for know nothings.

This thread is about Trump’s reckless tarriffs being outlawed (pending appeal).

 

[Meister]

I take it that you must be one of the fools who believe this idiotic fairy tale.

The numbers don’t even come close to working.

It’s a fairy tale for know nothings.

This thread is about Trump’s reckless tarriffs being outlawed (pending appeal).

You're the fool who brought up the tariffs and national debt.
You are also the one who deflected away from it.

 

[BackAgain]

““****” the Separation of Powers, eh?”

That’s what you’re cheering for.

No you moron. That’s what I’m objecting to. Try to follow along.

Trump declares a made up emergency, and uses it to usurp taxing power from Congress.

There is nothing “made up” about the MASSIVE and very dangerous emergency. What President Trump did was to officially acknowledge that fact.

You disagree? Too bad.

And you cheer.

I cheer reality and some actual moves by our government to finally address the emergency — which imbeciles such as you won’t even acknowledge. .

Trump facism on display.

Not even remotely akin to your ignorant and dishonest claim. He has not engaged in ANY fascism.

 

[Cougarbear]

It's a tax... IRS don't impose all taxes, Customs do as well... It is an import tax which is paid by the importer, this gets paid directly or passed to the customer

In the US, Customs and Border Protection (CBP) collects tariffs, which are generally paid by importers at the point of entry for goods into the country.Importers often use the Automated Commercial Environment (ACE) system for this process, with licensed customs brokers like FedEx or UPS often assisting in managing customs clearance and the collection of duties on behalf of the importer.

However, this is a constitutional point. So, what is "tax" when it comes to the constitution and whether a President can unilaterally declare a tariff or a tax? I believe that the constitution is specific to a tax being about the government imposing taxes on American citizens and businesses directly. Not the trade between countries. The SCOTUS will side with President Trump.

 

[Cougarbear]

It says here,

The United States Constitution gives Congress the power to impose and collect taxes, tariffs, duties, and the like, and to regulate international commerce. While the Constitution gives the President authority to negotiate international agreements, it assigns him no specific power over international commerce and trade.

so did congress give Trump authority to do these tariffs? i think not.

It says where?