U.S. trade court judge tells Trump to return tariff money. Ruling is absurd!

U.S. trade court judge tells Trump to return tariff money. Ruling is absurd!​


Trump can impose tariffs, he can change them one way or another, and he can end them, assuming he legally does so under current law. But what he cannot do is authorize a refund, and neither can any judge. That would be in the exclusive province of Congress.
 
What is your documentation that the Trump tariffs are not authorized under one or more of the following Acts?

Tariff Act of 1930, Section 338

Reciprocal Trade Agreements Act of 1934

Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962;

Section 201 of the Trade Act of 1974;

Section 301 of the Trade Act of 1974;

If they are constitutional under one or more of the above Acts of Congress, then the tariffs are lawful.
Can you show me each of the acts one by one and the wording that you believe gives a president that power to tariff all alone without Congress, and under what conditions all of these separate acts listed state?

Trump did not meet the conditions of the other acts or bills that limited his use of tariffs without congress, from what's been reported ...which would have allowed a president to make such a decision on tariffs under certain conditions...like, when there is an Emergency, or when there is a National Security Risk, or imminent threat of some kind etc....

Trump has used a temporary emergency act that limits him to 150 days of tariffs to get tariffs back up...but they are done after the 150 days, and even those are likely to be found illegal because he didn't meet all the conditions congress set for him to meet in the act...another court battle is on the horizon....

Bottom line, tariffs are taxes on Americans and the power to tax we the people, lies with Congress....our Representatives....NOT in one man, like a president....so says, OUR CONSTITUTION.

We fought a Revolutionary War over it!

NO TAXATION,
WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!!!
 
:rolleyes:

S.C. says "No one is entitled a refund who has not actually overpaid his taxes"

We are here talking about settled tax law.

If a tax is paid under a "wrong" statute not requiring a tax paid, but the amount of tax paid is legally owed under a different statute, no refund is owed. See: Lewis v. Reynolds (1932), and Donnelley Corporation v United States (2011) in which the court notes:

“No one is entitled a refund who has not actually overpaid his taxes. This axiomatic observation, made first by the Supreme Court in Lewis and recognized by this circuit in Estate of Michael, defeats this taxpayer's claim. Here, Donnelley has not overpaid its taxes, and we will not allow it to reap where it has not sown. We accordingly affirm the judgment of the district court.”

The bottom line is, if you legally owe $500 under Statute B but paid it under Statute A, you cannot get a refund because you have not actually overpaid your total tax liability owed.

Keep in mind the S.C. noted Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962, and Section 301 of the Trade Act of 1974, contain the delegation and procedural constraints necessary to allow for Trump's tariffs.


As I previously stated, and correctly so, if Trump's tariffs are constitutional under the above Acts cited by the S.C., then Trump's tariffs are lawful, intra vires, (within the government’s power) and the petitioners to sustain a claim, would have to prove they are not lawful, that is, if the Trump Administration appeals Judge Richard Eaton's ruling on such grounds (the tariffs are lawful, intra vires).
Did he impose the tax under those acts or an illegal one?
 
Can you show me each of the acts one by one and the wording that you believe gives a president that power to tariff all alone without Congress, and under what conditions all of these separate acts listed state?
:rolleyes:

Thank you for your misdirection by not addressing what I wrote and you quoted, nor provided documentation supportive of your conclusions.


If a tax is paid under a "wrong" statute not requiring a tax paid, but the amount of tax paid is legally owed under a different statute, no refund is owed. See: Lewis v. Reynolds (1932), and Donnelley Corporation v United States (2011) in which the court notes:

“No one is entitled a refund who has not actually overpaid his taxes. This axiomatic observation, made first by the Supreme Court in Lewis and recognized by this circuit in Estate of Michael, defeats this taxpayer's claim. Here, Donnelley has not overpaid its taxes, and we will not allow it to reap where it has not sown. We accordingly affirm the judgment of the district court.”

The bottom line is, if you legally owe $500 under Statute B but paid it under Statute A, you cannot get a refund because you have not actually overpaid your total tax liability owed.

Keep in mind the S.C. noted Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962, and Section 301 of the Trade Act of 1974, contain the delegation and procedural constraints necessary to allow for Trump's tariffs.


As I previously stated, and correctly so, if Trump's tariffs are constitutional under the above Acts cited by the S.C., then Trump's tariffs are lawful, intra vires, (within the government’s power) and the petitioners to sustain a claim, would have to prove they are not lawful, that is, if the Trump Administration appeals Judge Richard Eaton's ruling on such grounds (the tariffs are lawful, intra vires).

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:rolleyes:

Thank you for your misdirection by not addressing what I wrote and you quoted, nor provided documentation supportive of your conclusions.


If a tax is paid under a "wrong" statute not requiring a tax paid, but the amount of tax paid is legally owed under a different statute, no refund is owed. See: Lewis v. Reynolds (1932), and Donnelley Corporation v United States (2011) in which the court notes:

“No one is entitled a refund who has not actually overpaid his taxes. This axiomatic observation, made first by the Supreme Court in Lewis and recognized by this circuit in Estate of Michael, defeats this taxpayer's claim. Here, Donnelley has not overpaid its taxes, and we will not allow it to reap where it has not sown. We accordingly affirm the judgment of the district court.”

The bottom line is, if you legally owe $500 under Statute B but paid it under Statute A, you cannot get a refund because you have not actually overpaid your total tax liability owed.

Keep in mind the S.C. noted Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962, and Section 301 of the Trade Act of 1974, contain the delegation and procedural constraints necessary to allow for Trump's tariffs.


As I previously stated, and correctly so, if Trump's tariffs are constitutional under the above Acts cited by the S.C., then Trump's tariffs are lawful, intra vires, (within the government’s power) and the petitioners to sustain a claim, would have to prove they are not lawful, that is, if the Trump Administration appeals Judge Richard Eaton's ruling on such grounds (the tariffs are lawful, intra vires).

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Nobody legally owed tarriff money before Trump imposed them through an illegal process
 
The Supremes have already ruled, Dark Man.
Skippy..owes the cash. :)
Listen to your dumb ace talking as if Trump is the one who owes money to someone.

You damned leftist are at war with the American people in this country, so it matters not to you devil's how much you suffer the American people as long as you can make Trump look bad in order to regain some sense of authority back that the majority voter's stripped your party of.

So let me guess, this judge is a leftist radicalized judge ??

A POLITICAL WAR YOU WANT IS A POLITICAL WAR YOU LEFTIST WILL GET !!

SUFFERING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL NOT GO UNANSWERED AT THE VOTING BOOTHS.

BEST GET YOUR CHEAT ON...
 
As I previously stated, and correctly so, if Trump's tariffs are constitutional under the above Acts cited by the S.C., then Trump's tariffs are lawful, intra vires, (within the government’s power) and the petitioners to sustain a claim, would have to prove they are not lawful, that is, if the Trump Administration appeals Judge Richard Eaton's ruling on such grounds (the tariffs are lawful, intra vires).
John, trump did appeal this Court's ruling to the supreme court. The SC ruled against Trump and sent the case back to the lower court to finish it....which this judge did.

And the importer did not owe the tariffs elsewhere. There are no tariffs elsewhere under 232 for the companies suing for their money back so I don't get what you are trying to say...??? :dunno:
 
Listen to your dumb ace talking as if Trump is the one who owes money to someone.

You damned leftist are at war with the American people in this country, so it matters not to you devil's how much you suffer the American people as long as you can make Trump look bad in order to regain some sense of authority back that the majority voter's stripped your party of.

So let me guess, this judge is a leftist radicalized judge ??

A POLITICAL WAR YOU WANT IS A POLITICAL WAR YOU LEFTIST WILL GET !!

SUFFERING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL NOT GO UNANSWERED AT THE VOTING BOOTHS.

BEST GET YOUR CHEAT ON...
It’s not rocket science. He took money from people through an illegal tax and those people want restitution. You want the government to keep it. How are you defending your big gov position again?
 
You can't retroactively justify it under another law.

Maybe they can use it going forward, but the monies they have already collected were collected illegally.

We call that "theft", you know.
But "Crickets" from you leftist at all the theft (the international trade community abroad), had conducted or committed against America for the past 40+year's eh ???

Ride around in this country and just look at the shut down industrial industries where you'll see major industrial buildings and facilities sitting and rottening away (falling down), where we were tricked into giving up our jobs and factories for this idea of sending our industries abroad, and to do so for cheaper product's made by slave labor out of sight of our own regulators, and out of sight of our long time law's that prohibited such unsafe conditions, and that prohibited unsafe environmental conditions.... Due to the lack of regulations or regulatory rules for the processes, and then the getting rid of the hazardous waste in a proper way that cost extra in the deal, America then cut deals with the devil.

China was reported as one of the most polluted country in the world back in the day, but funny how that type of reporting was shut down over the year's here. As we became more corrupt and excepted of the situation because of the wealth being generated off of it all, and yep for the one percent in this nation... It is that the blind eye was then turned to it all.

Trump is trying to correct the entire problem, but of course the brainwashed left has been activated against him, and wildly the rino's that were prospering have been undermining Trump as well.
 
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That's what courts (separate branch of government) are for.

And yeah...they issued a ruling.
Thanks for playing.
No they are not. Courts don’t push back, they are suppose to simply rule on the law

The fact you think they should be activists and push back is very fascist of u
 
No they are not. Courts don’t push back, they are suppose to simply rule on the law

The fact you think they should be activists and push back is very fascist of u
Courts push back. They make rulings. That's what they are supposed to do. Not roll over and accept the decision of fascist dictators.
 
Can you show me each of the acts one by one and the wording that you believe gives a president that power to tariff all alone without Congress, and under what conditions all of these separate acts listed state?

Trump did not meet the conditions of the other acts or bills that limited his use of tariffs without congress, from what's been reported ...which would have allowed a president to make such a decision on tariffs under certain conditions...like, when there is an Emergency, or when there is a National Security Risk, or imminent threat of some kind etc....

Trump has used a temporary emergency act that limits him to 150 days of tariffs to get tariffs back up...but they are done after the 150 days, and even those are likely to be found illegal because he didn't meet all the conditions congress set for him to meet in the act...another court battle is on the horizon....

Bottom line, tariffs are taxes on Americans and the power to tax we the people, lies with Congress....our Representatives....NOT in one man, like a president....so says, OUR CONSTITUTION.

We fought a Revolutionary War over it!

NO TAXATION,
WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!!!
The question should be this - After 40+year's of going along with corrupt trade policies, and having the same congressional members in which still retain their seat's throughout it all, then what makes you think that congress can somehow clean up it's act/past in order to rule correctly on cleaning up the very corruption that it had willingly went along with or created ???????????
 
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Courts push back. They make rulings. That's what they are supposed to do. Not roll over and accept the decision of fascist dictators.
If you were dealing with a clean deck of card's in government, then you might have some sort of point to be made in your rage, but "you" just like the rest of us know what has gone on over the year's, but you are ignoring all of it just to be on the hate Trump train like a good little demonic leftist.
 
If you were dealing with a clean deck of card's in government, then you might have some sort of point to be made in your rage, but "you" just like the rest of us know what has gone on over the year's, but you are ignoring all of it just to be on the hate Trump train like a good little demonic leftist.
I don't have any rage. I am simply pointing out facts.
The fact your devotion to your savior is blinding you isn't my problem.
The courts did the same thing when Biden tried to do his end run around student loan debt. ^shrug^.
That's what they are there for.
 
The question should be this - After 40+year's of going along with corrupt trade policies, and having the same congressional members in which still retain their seat's throughout it all, then what makes you think that congress can somehow clean up it's act/past in order to rule correctly on cleaning up the very corruption that it had willingly went along with or created ???????????
What makes you think Trump's chaotic and bombastic issuance of tariffs across the board universally, changing in percent by the day causing instability in our businesses here, is going to help us with trade imbalance on the different individual items causing issue, per country?
 
That's what courts (separate branch of government) are for.

And yeah...they issued a ruling.
Thanks for playing.
Court's aren't supposed to be activist playgrounds for leftist rogue judge's with political agendas either, but here we are.
 
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