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How do you figure that?so this becomes a matter of perspective then?In a sane world, no judge should ever sign such a law as it violates the Bill of Rights,
Nor am I interested. I was just trying to clarify a few points. But I agree, as a logician and chessman, I can see exactly where the debate would have ended. To be fair, yes, what Trump said came in support of red flag laws, but Trump has a bad habit of expressing himself poorly. Based on his past support of gun rights, I'd guess that if pressed farther, he would clarify that red flag laws are a work in progress started with good intentions but with much flawed execution in need of further work.Ah well. Feel free to start a thread if you like, toobs. I wasn't particularly interested in debating gun rights, to be honest. It was just a convenient placeholder for setting the table, so to speak. In fact, my interpretation of the 2nd would likely come as quite a surprise to some folks on here.
To be clear, I have a tremendous distaste for political hypocrisy and an even greater distaste for intellectual dishonesty among politicos. Had Bluz and I progressed in our little pow wow, the pieces of the puzzle would have fell into place and the hypocrisy would have been undeniable to any casual passers-by.
At the end of the day it simply isn't wise to toss around stones in glass houses.
Nor am I interested. I was just trying to clarify a few points. But I agree, as a logician and chessman, I can see exactly where the debate would have ended. To be fair, yes, what Trump said came in support of red flag laws, but Trump has a bad habit of expressing himself poorly. Based on his past support of gun rights, I'd guess that if pressed farther, he would clarify that red flag laws are a work in progress started with good intentions but with much flawed execution in need of further work.
A person reporting a person as a threat to himself or others should start an investigation of the person with questions made of BOTH parties, and a determination made from that, not just a flat out confiscation, and with both the accused having the right to both petition the court to return his guns pending a hearing as well as redress of the charges by suing the accuser if it can be shown the accusations were made without grounds and with malice (intent to harm). Or something like that.
We want to try to provide a mechanism for protecting the public where possible, but not by the blind trampling of other people's rights.
Knockout in the first round.
All he did was cry "fake news" too lol.
Well done NC. As usual.
"If you're afraid of dying, and you're holdin' on, you'll see devils tearin' your life away. ...
Jacobs Ladder
Did you just know that?
Have you seen it?
Did you google it and it gave you the answer?
Good question, Thunk, I have NO idea. If I had to guess, Dead Poets Society perhaps?"If you're afraid of dying, and you're holdin' on, you'll see devils tearin' your life away. ...
Jacobs Ladder
Did you just know that?
Have you seen it?
Did you google it and it gave you the answer?
Didn't google it...I knew it...I saw the movie like a million years ago but that line touched me. Never forgot it.
Kind of like...
"words...in my not so humble opinion...are our most inexhaustible source of power...capable of both inflicting injury...and remedying it".
What movie?
"If you're afraid of dying, and you're holdin' on, you'll see devils tearin' your life away. ...
Jacobs Ladder
Did you just know that?
Have you seen it?
Did you google it and it gave you the answer?
Didn't google it...I knew it...I saw the movie like a million years ago but that line touched me. Never forgot it.
Kind of like...
"words...in my not so humble opinion...are our most inexhaustible source of power...capable of both inflicting injury...and remedying it".
What movie?
No Idea.
I don't follow that "Harry Potter" stuff.
"supposed to" and what happens often differs.It's only supposed to be the debaters with the judges at the end.
I think Trump backtracked on what he said in that video after talking with some of his NRA buddies. I could be wrong though. I'm too lazy to do a search.And BTW bluzman61 Trump wasnt taken out of context. He was referring to red flag laws. The context couldnt have been better.
Your unmitigated support for Trump is nauseating. It shows a complete lack of integrity.
It's VERY strange that this thread hasn't been closed. Hey, mods, do you realize this?FYI: Here are the guidelines which many have violated. This is pretty common and very frustrating as it is difficult to follow the line of reasoning of the debaters. I realize I am violating them by posting this, for which I apologize.
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And you prove once AGAIN, without a shadow of a doubt, you ARE a dickhead, Lars. Congratulations.