Black vs. Jewish racism

[San Souci]

Because of BRAINS.

So you are saying that Jews are smarter?

You do realize that being Jewish is not even a race, right?

Jews are smarter---doesn't matter if they are a race or not

Proven fact.

 

[USAF 2023]

Well, it's a myth that Jews have always been 'horribly oppressed n stuff', that's just their own bullshit they scare their children with these days, about the 'horrors Of Da Evull Xians!!!' They were big supporters of Muslim invasions and regimes, persecuted Chrisiten with glee at every opportunity, which were plentiful given their special status with Muslim leaders as administrators and garrison soldiers, particularly in Spain.

The last two Jewish regimes in what is now Yemen bragged about their killings of some 40,000 Christians, before the Muslim imperialist butcher invasions began to conquer first the ME then India and North Africa. Jews sided with Muslims against Christians everywhere, which is why they were never trusted by anybody else, along with their self-isolation and racist bigotry against pretty much everybody else as well. They don't have much to legitimately snivel about, seeing as most of their problems are self-inflicted, which is usually the case for most everybody else as well. except to lesser extremes than Jewish Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox racism. Lots of tribes and peoples suffered a lot more than Jews ever did over thousands of years. Under Romans, Greeks, and Persians, for instance, Jews were substantially a privileged minority, same in Spain under the Muslims, which is why they had such extensive international trading privileges for so many centuries. They also enjoyed 'Temple State' privileges under Greek and Roman rule, and substantial freedoms under the Persians, and were exempt from forced military service in most cases as well. They only lost that under the Romans with their stupid revolt in A.D. 70 and a later one a couple decades later, a more minor one.

Their later history, after their own 'Enlightenment' type reforms in the late 18th century are a different story; many began devoting their education advantages to reason and the sciences, practically inventing entire new fields of study, like biochemistry. The later Nazi vilification of Jews was particularly bizarre, given it was the Jewish banking establishment that was supporting the Germans in WW I, due to their hatred of the Russians, for obvious reasons, and suffered a lot of consequences for going against Wilson and the British Morgan interests; so where Hitler and those idiots got the idea to babble 'Jewish Money' was out to destroy Germany is a curiosity, mostly due to their being lunatics who didn't really know squat, much like modern 'leftists' and 'revolutionaries' now doing the dirty work in the streets for Wall Street's BLM franchise and funded by some 300 major multi-national banks and corporations.

Blacks hate Jews for a number of reasons, their part in the slave trade, having their own ambulances in the case of NYC blacks, the standard NOI bullshit, and of course Jews and blacks clashed in NYC over the school system, wherein Jews cut their own throats in trying to stick a finger in the WASP establishment's eye over 'civil rights', and ended up getting tossed out of the NYC school system themselves by black racists, which of course is hilarious stuff. One reason they hate Jews:


In "Broken Cities: Liberalism's Urban Legacy" in the March-April 1998 issue of Policy Review: The Journal of American Citizenship, Steven Hayward quotes an infamous New York City welfare commissioner whom The New York Daily News dubs "Come and Get It Ginsburg." The city actually was advertising for people to come on to welfare. What was the logic? It was the logic of the Kerner Commission Report. It was the sense that African-Americans were so damaged that what they needed was not help making it into society, but a respite from society; in effect, they should be pensioned off.


people sometimes argue that this welfare explosion was the price of good intentions. Nonsense. The theorists behind this movement are two people named Piven and Cloward, who are still alive. It's difficult to imagine how they get through the day knowing what they did, but they seem to do it. One's at Columbia University, and other is at City University of New York. Their logic is that, if you expanded the welfare role sufficiently, you would bankrupt the city, force a political crisis, and set people at each other's throats. The idea was that New York was at a median point, so if New York exploded like this, then the rest of the country would have to respond. Well, they succeeded in part. people were at each other's throats, and the city did go bankrupt.


You simply can't add that many people to welfare. This is difficult to imagine, but in1965, New York was not a particularly high-tax place. I don't mean that we were ever low. We taxed all sorts of things that no one else would think of taxing, such as moving vans. But we weren't off the charts. Five years later, however, we were off the charts, and the city's economy was heading straight downhill. That's one disaster, a disaster for which we really haven't fully recovered even today. people talk about the drop in welfare rolls under Mayor Rudolph Giuliani. It's true, but we are back only to 1989 levels.


The second disaster was the creation of the Ocean Hill-Brownsville school district. What ties these two disasters together is the sense that Mayor Lindsay held strongly that rural immigrants with semi-literate pasts, without any skills in an urban economy, had nothing whatsoever in common with earlier immigrants. Now, the argument that blacks were just like immigrants of old was wrong. But the sense that they were completely different from immigrants of old is also wrong. people coming from rural backgrounds without the kinds of academic skills you needed to make it into the economy need to be acculturated.


New York's schools, like those in Washington, D.C., at the time, were integrationist in their ideology, and both were judged highly successful using a contemporary standard. That model was destroyed in the name of a kind of multiculturalism. And what happened at Ocean Hill-Brownsville was a conflict so intense, so vicious, so hostile, over black separatism in the schools that the people in the city were literally at each other's throats.


Let me tell you what happened, and I'll tell you how Jason Epstein, one of the resident geniuses at the New York Review of Books described it. There was broad support in New York for decentralization. Once Tammany Hall was gone, there was no way to access government horizontally. From the 1940s, Ed Costikyan, one of the city's wisemen, was able to build broad support for decentralization. Unfortunately, the first attempt at large-scale decentralization occurred around schooling, and it intersected with the rise of black nationalism. The New York teachers union turned into the kind of time-serving, self-interested bureaucracy people claim it is, but it had not reached that point yet in those days. The teachers union had been active in the civil rights movement and had supported even decentralization.


Despite this, Mayor Lindsay double-crossed the union. He brought in McGeorge Bundy, fresh from Vietnam, even though he knew very little about Vietnam or the Vietnamese. He also knew very little about New York City, eastern New York State, or black Americans. That didn't stop him. Nation-building had failed in Vietnam, but he was determined to make it succeed in eastern New York State. He also was going to impose an essentially black nationalist regime on the schools in New York City through a man named Rhody McCoy, now forgotten even to New Yorkers who follow these things. He ended up as a professor, fittingly enough in the education department of the University of Massachusetts.


Essentially, decentralization got hijacked and, without stretching, it was taken over by thugs. There was a lot of violence; teachers were threatened; blacks and Jews were at each other's throats. It was right after the Six Day War: Jews were feeling newly empowered, and these two groups clashed.


Jason Epstein went to McCoy to tell him that, at that point, the city had two choices, that is, it could restore the teachers to that school district either by "exterminating every black in New York City or by capitulating entirely." Now, neither of those things happened, fortunately, but neither did the schools ever recover. One of the great economic mechanisms of New York, and one of the great civic mechanisms for integrating people into the larger society -- integrating them into the economy -- was destroyed, and it has never been repaired. It's constantly reexamining itself and reshaping itself. It's like Soviet-era agriculture: It's constantly reforming itself, but never succeeding.


So, I would suggest that in New York we actually see the Kerner Commission played out on the ground. In the one case, welfare replaced work for low-income people who were ready to move up the job ladder. In another case, race became the central factor of the curriculum (and the only factor of curriculum in Ocean Hill-Brownsville).


One final point on Mayor Lindsay: His authority to lead the Kerner Commission was due to the fact that his city was the one that had not burned. You will recall that New York City had only minor disturbances that didn't fit the official qualifications the Kerner Commission Report had laid out. Having been there, however, and having been in some of them, it was hard for me to tell the difference. As a personal note, I was in the Newark riots, the Pittsburgh riots, and the more recent Crown Heights and Washington Heights riots, and I was in some riots in New York City in those periods that did not qualify by the Kerner Commission standards but that didn't look very different to me.


I would suggest that part of this reputation is undeserved, but not exactly in that way. It was undeserved in the sense that the measures Mayor Lindsay took to keep the lid on were as destructive -- if not more destructive -- to the city than the riots themselves because they caused financial bankruptcy and the destruction of the school system. That is the legacy of the Kerner Commission in New York City.


-- Fred Siegel is Senior Fellow at the Progressive Policy Institute.

The Kerner Commission Report

This lecture was held at The Heritage Foundation on March 13, 1998. Welcome to our panel discussion on the 30th anniversary of the publication of the Kerner Commission Report.

www.heritage.org

Most 'minorities' are far more violently racist than WASPs are, a fact the latter often forget to their own damages.

History of Countries who have killed, expelled and persecuted Jews - Google Search

The Jewish People have persecuted and oppressed Christians? Christians have been persecuting and killing Jews for over 2000 years . They were responsible for slavery? They make up less then 2/10 0f 1 percent of the World Population. Another Moronic Claim
Blame the Killing of 6 Million Jews on the Jews themselves, part of your " Christian Values"

Anti-Semitism of the "Church Fathers"

Rubbish, followed by an assortment of blatantly false strawmen and fake history. Your own historians have been exploding a lot of those myths. And do cite where the Nazis were' Christians'; they weren't, that's just lies that Jewish racists like to peddle and scare their kids with. I've already posted some of that history in the History Forum, complete with sources, and have more I never got around to, so go ahead and damage your credibility by lying about what I said and keep trying to sell those strawmen about the holocaust being 'Christian Values'. You want to trash Catholics, well, fine, but even there you'll be full of shit over 60% of the time. We can find many more Jews than priests selling out to the Nazis and doing their dirty work for them. I'm happy that Patton was ignored, as I wouldn't have shed one drop of blood saving eastern Europe from the Reds, for the record, because of their cooperation with the Nazis. Jews never showed much 'mercy' to their enemies, either, so don't feel you're special enough to criticize others over their bigotry.

My links are lies? The Antisemitism that the Church has been spewing for over 2000 years isn’t true and we’re responsible for the Holocaust?
Tell us why Jews should have “ mercy” to their “ Christian “ Mankind. .

You still can't address what I said, can you? That's because you know you're being dishonest.

I have addressed it with my links. You’re the one who dishonestly denies them. .

 

[harmonica]

Because of BRAINS.

So you are saying that Jews are smarter?

You do realize that being Jewish is not even a race, right?

Jews are smarter---doesn't matter if they are a race or not

Wait..........wut?

All Jews are smarter? I've know some pretty stupid Jews and pretty smart people of color to believe that.

Try again.

sorry--you lose..blacks graduate at lower levels
..you '''KNOW some''''''....hahahhahahah--you just proved to be stupid--because that's nowhere close to evidence
...and the graph is not even counting private schools--which are mostly white--and graduate higher levels than public/etc

 

[harmonica]

So which is worse?

Here is an article of a black who is an anti-Semite.

Charlamagne Tha God Says Nick Cannon Was Fired Because Jews ‘Have the Power’

Radio host Charlamagne tha God said Wednesday that he believes Nick Cannon was fired by ViacomCBS because Jewish people "have the power" in the media landscape.“Listen, Nick is my guy. I hate it had to be him, but that’s what you can do when you have the power. And if there’s one thing Jewish...

www.yahoo.com

So here you have an Anti-Semite allegation that Jews run the world and is why this black man was fired.

But the two groups of people, Jews and Blacks, both have an extensive history of oppression with Jews arguably having much more than blacks.

For example, Jews are said to have been slaves for close to 500 years in Egypt. They were also persecuted extensively in Western Europe for centuries, as they were stolen from and kicked out of entire countries, made to live in ghettos, forced to wear a star of David to help identify them as someone who should be oppressed, and rounded up and murdered in mass numbers. The climax then came later with the Holocaust as some 6 million Jews were exterminated.

Today, anti-Semitism seems to be at an all time high as we see with this example in the article. Also, the UN has passed more resolutions against Israel than any other country in the world, no other country comes close. This is impressive considering that other countries like the Sudan and Syria, which have engaged in mass genocide of late, and oppressive countries like Iran and North Korea that murder on a whim and close to developing WMD's to start murdering people world wide, have not been targeted like Israel for building walls.

But yet when looking at socioeconomic status, the two groups are worlds apart with Jews at the top and black at the bottom

So with Jews receiving much more oppression in world history, how is it they rose to the top?

....what Jewish racism? all I see are black racists--that's all they ever think about = RACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..they vote based on skin color/etc
..this black racist idiot thinks the term black hole is racist:

Texas County Official Sees Race in Term 'Black Hole'

A county commissioners' meeting this week over traffic tickets turned into a tense discussion over race when one commissioner said the county's collections office was like 'a black hole.'

www.foxnews.com

 

[Votto]

Because of BRAINS.

So you are saying that Jews are smarter?

You do realize that being Jewish is not even a race, right?

Jews are smarter---doesn't matter if they are a race or not

Wait..........wut?

All Jews are smarter? I've know some pretty stupid Jews and pretty smart people of color to believe that.

Try again.

sorry--you lose..blacks graduate at lower levels
..you '''KNOW some''''''....hahahhahahah--you just proved to be stupid--because that's nowhere close to evidence
...and the graph is not even counting private schools--which are mostly white--and graduate higher levels than public/etc
View attachment 365375

No, you made the statement that Jews were smarter than blacks.

This means that all Jews must be smarter than all blacks which is clearly not the case.

Now if you want to do averages, that is another story altogether.

But IQ levels change, so it has nothing to do with genetics.

From Wiki:

Flynn effect and the closing gap
Main article: Flynn effect
During the 20th century raw scores on IQ tests were rising; this score increase is known as the "Flynn effect," named after James R. Flynn. In the United States, the increase was continuous and approximately linear from the earliest years of testing to about 1998 when the gains stopped and some tests even showed decreasing test scores. For example, the average scores of black people on some IQ tests in 1995 were the same as the scores of white people in 1945.[61] As one pair of academics phrased it, "the typical African American today probably has a slightly higher IQ than the grandparents of today's average white American."[62]

Flynn has argued that, given that these changes took place between one generation and the next, it is highly unlikely that genetic factors could have accounted for the increasing scores, which must then have been caused by environmental factors. The importance of the Flynn effect in the debate over the causes of the black/white IQ gap lies in demonstrating that environmental factors may cause changes in test scores on the scale of 1 SD. This had previously been doubted.

A separate phenomenon from the Flynn effect has been the discovery that the IQ gap was gradually closing over the last decades of the 20th century, as black test-takers increased their average scores relative to white test-takers. For instance, Vincent reported in 1991 that the black–white IQ gap was decreasing among children, but that it was remaining constant among adults.[63] Similarly, a 2006 study by Dickens and Flynn estimated that the difference between mean scores of black people and white people closed by about 5 or 6 IQ points between 1972 and 2002,[64] a reduction of about one-third. In the same period, the educational achievement disparity also diminished.[65] Reviews by Flynn and Dickens,[66] Mackintosh,[67] and Nisbett et al[68] accept the gradual closing of the gap as a fact.

 

[San Souci]

Because of BRAINS.

So you are saying that Jews are smarter?

You do realize that being Jewish is not even a race, right?

Jews are smarter---doesn't matter if they are a race or not

Wait..........wut?

All Jews are smarter? I've know some pretty stupid Jews and pretty smart people of color to believe that.

Try again.

sorry--you lose..blacks graduate at lower levels
..you '''KNOW some''''''....hahahhahahah--you just proved to be stupid--because that's nowhere close to evidence
...and the graph is not even counting private schools--which are mostly white--and graduate higher levels than public/etc
View attachment 365375

No, you made the statement that Jews were smarter than blacks.

This means that all Jews must be smarter than all blacks which is clearly not the case.

Now if you want to do averages, that is another story altogether.

But IQ levels change, so it has nothing to do with genetics.

From Wiki:

Flynn effect and the closing gap
Main article: Flynn effect
During the 20th century raw scores on IQ tests were rising; this score increase is known as the "Flynn effect," named after James R. Flynn. In the United States, the increase was continuous and approximately linear from the earliest years of testing to about 1998 when the gains stopped and some tests even showed decreasing test scores. For example, the average scores of black people on some IQ tests in 1995 were the same as the scores of white people in 1945.[61] As one pair of academics phrased it, "the typical African American today probably has a slightly higher IQ than the grandparents of today's average white American."[62]

Flynn has argued that, given that these changes took place between one generation and the next, it is highly unlikely that genetic factors could have accounted for the increasing scores, which must then have been caused by environmental factors. The importance of the Flynn effect in the debate over the causes of the black/white IQ gap lies in demonstrating that environmental factors may cause changes in test scores on the scale of 1 SD. This had previously been doubted.

A separate phenomenon from the Flynn effect has been the discovery that the IQ gap was gradually closing over the last decades of the 20th century, as black test-takers increased their average scores relative to white test-takers. For instance, Vincent reported in 1991 that the black–white IQ gap was decreasing among children, but that it was remaining constant among adults.[63] Similarly, a 2006 study by Dickens and Flynn estimated that the difference between mean scores of black people and white people closed by about 5 or 6 IQ points between 1972 and 2002,[64] a reduction of about one-third. In the same period, the educational achievement disparity also diminished.[65] Reviews by Flynn and Dickens,[66] Mackintosh,[67] and Nisbett et al[68] accept the gradual closing of the gap as a fact.

Bell Curve.

 

[Votto]

Well, it's a myth that Jews have always been 'horribly oppressed n stuff', that's just their own bullshit they scare their children with these days, about the 'horrors Of Da Evull Xians!!!' They were big supporters of Muslim invasions and regimes, persecuted Chrisiten with glee at every opportunity, which were plentiful given their special status with Muslim leaders as administrators and garrison soldiers, particularly in Spain.

The last two Jewish regimes in what is now Yemen bragged about their killings of some 40,000 Christians, before the Muslim imperialist butcher invasions began to conquer first the ME then India and North Africa. Jews sided with Muslims against Christians everywhere, which is why they were never trusted by anybody else, along with their self-isolation and racist bigotry against pretty much everybody else as well. They don't have much to legitimately snivel about, seeing as most of their problems are self-inflicted, which is usually the case for most everybody else as well. except to lesser extremes than Jewish Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox racism. Lots of tribes and peoples suffered a lot more than Jews ever did over thousands of years. Under Romans, Greeks, and Persians, for instance, Jews were substantially a privileged minority, same in Spain under the Muslims, which is why they had such extensive international trading privileges for so many centuries. They also enjoyed 'Temple State' privileges under Greek and Roman rule, and substantial freedoms under the Persians, and were exempt from forced military service in most cases as well. They only lost that under the Romans with their stupid revolt in A.D. 70 and a later one a couple decades later, a more minor one.

Their later history, after their own 'Enlightenment' type reforms in the late 18th century are a different story; many began devoting their education advantages to reason and the sciences, practically inventing entire new fields of study, like biochemistry. The later Nazi vilification of Jews was particularly bizarre, given it was the Jewish banking establishment that was supporting the Germans in WW I, due to their hatred of the Russians, for obvious reasons, and suffered a lot of consequences for going against Wilson and the British Morgan interests; so where Hitler and those idiots got the idea to babble 'Jewish Money' was out to destroy Germany is a curiosity, mostly due to their being lunatics who didn't really know squat, much like modern 'leftists' and 'revolutionaries' now doing the dirty work in the streets for Wall Street's BLM franchise and funded by some 300 major multi-national banks and corporations.

Blacks hate Jews for a number of reasons, their part in the slave trade, having their own ambulances in the case of NYC blacks, the standard NOI bullshit, and of course Jews and blacks clashed in NYC over the school system, wherein Jews cut their own throats in trying to stick a finger in the WASP establishment's eye over 'civil rights', and ended up getting tossed out of the NYC school system themselves by black racists, which of course is hilarious stuff. One reason they hate Jews:


In "Broken Cities: Liberalism's Urban Legacy" in the March-April 1998 issue of Policy Review: The Journal of American Citizenship, Steven Hayward quotes an infamous New York City welfare commissioner whom The New York Daily News dubs "Come and Get It Ginsburg." The city actually was advertising for people to come on to welfare. What was the logic? It was the logic of the Kerner Commission Report. It was the sense that African-Americans were so damaged that what they needed was not help making it into society, but a respite from society; in effect, they should be pensioned off.


people sometimes argue that this welfare explosion was the price of good intentions. Nonsense. The theorists behind this movement are two people named Piven and Cloward, who are still alive. It's difficult to imagine how they get through the day knowing what they did, but they seem to do it. One's at Columbia University, and other is at City University of New York. Their logic is that, if you expanded the welfare role sufficiently, you would bankrupt the city, force a political crisis, and set people at each other's throats. The idea was that New York was at a median point, so if New York exploded like this, then the rest of the country would have to respond. Well, they succeeded in part. people were at each other's throats, and the city did go bankrupt.


You simply can't add that many people to welfare. This is difficult to imagine, but in1965, New York was not a particularly high-tax place. I don't mean that we were ever low. We taxed all sorts of things that no one else would think of taxing, such as moving vans. But we weren't off the charts. Five years later, however, we were off the charts, and the city's economy was heading straight downhill. That's one disaster, a disaster for which we really haven't fully recovered even today. people talk about the drop in welfare rolls under Mayor Rudolph Giuliani. It's true, but we are back only to 1989 levels.


The second disaster was the creation of the Ocean Hill-Brownsville school district. What ties these two disasters together is the sense that Mayor Lindsay held strongly that rural immigrants with semi-literate pasts, without any skills in an urban economy, had nothing whatsoever in common with earlier immigrants. Now, the argument that blacks were just like immigrants of old was wrong. But the sense that they were completely different from immigrants of old is also wrong. people coming from rural backgrounds without the kinds of academic skills you needed to make it into the economy need to be acculturated.


New York's schools, like those in Washington, D.C., at the time, were integrationist in their ideology, and both were judged highly successful using a contemporary standard. That model was destroyed in the name of a kind of multiculturalism. And what happened at Ocean Hill-Brownsville was a conflict so intense, so vicious, so hostile, over black separatism in the schools that the people in the city were literally at each other's throats.


Let me tell you what happened, and I'll tell you how Jason Epstein, one of the resident geniuses at the New York Review of Books described it. There was broad support in New York for decentralization. Once Tammany Hall was gone, there was no way to access government horizontally. From the 1940s, Ed Costikyan, one of the city's wisemen, was able to build broad support for decentralization. Unfortunately, the first attempt at large-scale decentralization occurred around schooling, and it intersected with the rise of black nationalism. The New York teachers union turned into the kind of time-serving, self-interested bureaucracy people claim it is, but it had not reached that point yet in those days. The teachers union had been active in the civil rights movement and had supported even decentralization.


Despite this, Mayor Lindsay double-crossed the union. He brought in McGeorge Bundy, fresh from Vietnam, even though he knew very little about Vietnam or the Vietnamese. He also knew very little about New York City, eastern New York State, or black Americans. That didn't stop him. Nation-building had failed in Vietnam, but he was determined to make it succeed in eastern New York State. He also was going to impose an essentially black nationalist regime on the schools in New York City through a man named Rhody McCoy, now forgotten even to New Yorkers who follow these things. He ended up as a professor, fittingly enough in the education department of the University of Massachusetts.


Essentially, decentralization got hijacked and, without stretching, it was taken over by thugs. There was a lot of violence; teachers were threatened; blacks and Jews were at each other's throats. It was right after the Six Day War: Jews were feeling newly empowered, and these two groups clashed.


Jason Epstein went to McCoy to tell him that, at that point, the city had two choices, that is, it could restore the teachers to that school district either by "exterminating every black in New York City or by capitulating entirely." Now, neither of those things happened, fortunately, but neither did the schools ever recover. One of the great economic mechanisms of New York, and one of the great civic mechanisms for integrating people into the larger society -- integrating them into the economy -- was destroyed, and it has never been repaired. It's constantly reexamining itself and reshaping itself. It's like Soviet-era agriculture: It's constantly reforming itself, but never succeeding.


So, I would suggest that in New York we actually see the Kerner Commission played out on the ground. In the one case, welfare replaced work for low-income people who were ready to move up the job ladder. In another case, race became the central factor of the curriculum (and the only factor of curriculum in Ocean Hill-Brownsville).


One final point on Mayor Lindsay: His authority to lead the Kerner Commission was due to the fact that his city was the one that had not burned. You will recall that New York City had only minor disturbances that didn't fit the official qualifications the Kerner Commission Report had laid out. Having been there, however, and having been in some of them, it was hard for me to tell the difference. As a personal note, I was in the Newark riots, the Pittsburgh riots, and the more recent Crown Heights and Washington Heights riots, and I was in some riots in New York City in those periods that did not qualify by the Kerner Commission standards but that didn't look very different to me.


I would suggest that part of this reputation is undeserved, but not exactly in that way. It was undeserved in the sense that the measures Mayor Lindsay took to keep the lid on were as destructive -- if not more destructive -- to the city than the riots themselves because they caused financial bankruptcy and the destruction of the school system. That is the legacy of the Kerner Commission in New York City.


-- Fred Siegel is Senior Fellow at the Progressive Policy Institute.

The Kerner Commission Report

This lecture was held at The Heritage Foundation on March 13, 1998. Welcome to our panel discussion on the 30th anniversary of the publication of the Kerner Commission Report.

www.heritage.org

Most 'minorities' are far more violently racist than WASPs are, a fact the latter often forget to their own damages.

So tell us, which of these historical events can you disprove?

561 The bishop of Uzes expelled Jews from his diocese in France

613 Jews were given the option of either leaving Spain or converting to Christianity. Jewish children over 6 years of age were taken from their parents and given a Christian education.

855 Jews were exiled from Italy

1096 The first Crusades started. As the soldiers passed through Europe on their way to the Holy Land, 12,000 Jews in the Rhine valley were killed because they did not convert to Christianity.

1099 The Crusaders forced all of the Jews of Jerusalem into a central synagogue and set it on fire.

1121 Jews were exiled from Flanders.

1146 The second Crusades began. A French monk named Rudolf called for the destruction of the Jews

1180 The French king of France, Philip Augustus, seized Jewish property and expelled them from France.

1215 The Fourth Lantern Council required Jews to wear a special dress so they could easily be identified. They also had to wear a special badge and ring. This spread to the other countries in Europe.

1227 The Synod of Narbonne required Jews to wear on oval badge. This requirement was reinstalled later in Nazi Germany.

1290 Jews were exiled from England

1298 Jews were persecuted in Austria, Bavaria, and Franconia. More than 100,000 Jews were killed over a 6 month period.

1321 In Gueinne France, Jews were accused of poisoning wells as 5,000 Jews were rounded up and murdered

1354 12,000 Jews were executed in Toledo

1394 Jews were exiled a second time from France

1497 Jews were banished from Portugal

1540 Jews were exiled from Naples.

1555 A Roman Catholic Papal Bull, "Cum nimis absurdum": required Jews to wear special badges and forced Jews to live in ghettos.

1582 Jews were exiled from Holland

1648. Chmielnicki Bogdan led an uprising against Polish rule in the Ukraine. The secondary goal was to exterminate the Jews. Around 100,000 Jews were murdered.

So Holocaust deniers have the added burden of splaining all this history away as well. In fact, you might say that the Holocaust was merely a natural climax to the persecution.

 

[abu afak]

No, you made the statement that Jews were smarter than blacks.
This means that all Jews must be smarter than all blacks which is clearly not the case.

No, you're unbelievably stupid.
No one believes (Strawman) ALL of any Race/Group are smarter that ALL of any other races.
Obviously there are very smart and very stupid people of all races, and IQ overlaps.
DOH!
They/We are talking about Group Averages.

In fact only Ashkenazi Jews (Euro Jews, most of Jews) are smarter.
Sephardic (Spanish) and Mizrahi (Arab) Jews are only about average 100.
Ethiopean Jews more like 75.
ie
avg IQ
Ashkenazi Jews - - - 110-115
East Asians (Ch, Jp, Kor) 105
Euro/White/Caucasian - 100
American (Hybrid Black) 85
sub-Saharan African - - 70
Bushmen, Aborigines - 65

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[Votto]

No, you made the statement that Jews were smarter than blacks.
This means that all Jews must be smarter than all blacks which is clearly not the case.

No, you're unbelievably stupid.
No one believes (Strawman) ALL of any Race/Group are smarter that ALL of any other races.
Obviously there are very smart and very stupid people of all races, and IQ overlaps.
DOH!
They/We are talking about Group Averages.

In fact only Ashkenazi Jews (Euro Jews, most of Jews) are smarter.
Sephardic (Spanish) and Mizrahi (Arab) Jews are only about average 100.
Ethiopean Jews more like 75.
ie
avg IQ
Ashkenazi Jews - - - 110-115
East Asians (Ch, Jp, Kor) 105
Euro/White/Caucasian - 100
American (Hybrid Black) 85
sub-Saharan African - - 70
Bushmen, Aborigines - 65

`

My point is that IQ is environmental in large part, at least, according to the fluctuating IQ's of various races.

So what factors influence IQ?

 

[abu afak]

My point is that IQ is environmental in large part, at least, according to the fluctuating IQ's of various races.\
So what factors influence IQ?

No/LIE.
Your point/Attempted LIE/IDIOT'S LOGIC was that if anyone says that one race is smarter, than all of one must be smarter than all of another.
Period.
You're a ****** IDIOT, and/or attempted FRAUD.

IQ is app 75% Heritable, NOT environmental.
WRONG about that too you Raging IDIOT.

Heritability of IQ - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Estimates​

Various studies have found the heritability of IQ to be between 0.7 and 0.8 in adults and 0.45 in childhood in the United States.[18][24][25] It may seem reasonable to expect that genetic influences on traits like IQ should become less important as one gains experiences with age. However, that the opposite occurs is well documented. Heritability measures in infancy are as low as 0.2, around 0.4 in middle childhood, and as high as 0.8 in adulthood.[8] One proposed explanation is that people with different genes tend to seek out different environments that reinforce the effects of those genes.[18] The brain undergoes morphological changes in development which suggests that age-related physical changes could also contribute to this effect.[26]​

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A 1994 article in Behavior Genetics based on a study of Swedish monozygotic and dizygotic twins found the heritability of the sample to be as high as 0.80 in general cognitive ability; however, it also varies by trait, with 0.60 for verbal tests, 0.50 for spatial and speed-of-processing tests, and 0.40 for memory tests. In contrast, studies of other populations estimate an average heritability of 0.50 for general cognitive ability.[24]​

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In 2006, The New York Times Magazine listed about three quarters as a figure held by the majority of studies.[27]​

You are TOO STUPID to Debate IQ.
Like debating Art/painting with someone who is Blind.

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[Picaro]

Well, it's a myth that Jews have always been 'horribly oppressed n stuff', that's just their own bullshit they scare their children with these days, about the 'horrors Of Da Evull Xians!!!' They were big supporters of Muslim invasions and regimes, persecuted Chrisiten with glee at every opportunity, which were plentiful given their special status with Muslim leaders as administrators and garrison soldiers, particularly in Spain.

The last two Jewish regimes in what is now Yemen bragged about their killings of some 40,000 Christians, before the Muslim imperialist butcher invasions began to conquer first the ME then India and North Africa. Jews sided with Muslims against Christians everywhere, which is why they were never trusted by anybody else, along with their self-isolation and racist bigotry against pretty much everybody else as well. They don't have much to legitimately snivel about, seeing as most of their problems are self-inflicted, which is usually the case for most everybody else as well. except to lesser extremes than Jewish Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox racism. Lots of tribes and peoples suffered a lot more than Jews ever did over thousands of years. Under Romans, Greeks, and Persians, for instance, Jews were substantially a privileged minority, same in Spain under the Muslims, which is why they had such extensive international trading privileges for so many centuries. They also enjoyed 'Temple State' privileges under Greek and Roman rule, and substantial freedoms under the Persians, and were exempt from forced military service in most cases as well. They only lost that under the Romans with their stupid revolt in A.D. 70 and a later one a couple decades later, a more minor one.

Their later history, after their own 'Enlightenment' type reforms in the late 18th century are a different story; many began devoting their education advantages to reason and the sciences, practically inventing entire new fields of study, like biochemistry. The later Nazi vilification of Jews was particularly bizarre, given it was the Jewish banking establishment that was supporting the Germans in WW I, due to their hatred of the Russians, for obvious reasons, and suffered a lot of consequences for going against Wilson and the British Morgan interests; so where Hitler and those idiots got the idea to babble 'Jewish Money' was out to destroy Germany is a curiosity, mostly due to their being lunatics who didn't really know squat, much like modern 'leftists' and 'revolutionaries' now doing the dirty work in the streets for Wall Street's BLM franchise and funded by some 300 major multi-national banks and corporations.

Blacks hate Jews for a number of reasons, their part in the slave trade, having their own ambulances in the case of NYC blacks, the standard NOI bullshit, and of course Jews and blacks clashed in NYC over the school system, wherein Jews cut their own throats in trying to stick a finger in the WASP establishment's eye over 'civil rights', and ended up getting tossed out of the NYC school system themselves by black racists, which of course is hilarious stuff. One reason they hate Jews:


In "Broken Cities: Liberalism's Urban Legacy" in the March-April 1998 issue of Policy Review: The Journal of American Citizenship, Steven Hayward quotes an infamous New York City welfare commissioner whom The New York Daily News dubs "Come and Get It Ginsburg." The city actually was advertising for people to come on to welfare. What was the logic? It was the logic of the Kerner Commission Report. It was the sense that African-Americans were so damaged that what they needed was not help making it into society, but a respite from society; in effect, they should be pensioned off.


people sometimes argue that this welfare explosion was the price of good intentions. Nonsense. The theorists behind this movement are two people named Piven and Cloward, who are still alive. It's difficult to imagine how they get through the day knowing what they did, but they seem to do it. One's at Columbia University, and other is at City University of New York. Their logic is that, if you expanded the welfare role sufficiently, you would bankrupt the city, force a political crisis, and set people at each other's throats. The idea was that New York was at a median point, so if New York exploded like this, then the rest of the country would have to respond. Well, they succeeded in part. people were at each other's throats, and the city did go bankrupt.


You simply can't add that many people to welfare. This is difficult to imagine, but in1965, New York was not a particularly high-tax place. I don't mean that we were ever low. We taxed all sorts of things that no one else would think of taxing, such as moving vans. But we weren't off the charts. Five years later, however, we were off the charts, and the city's economy was heading straight downhill. That's one disaster, a disaster for which we really haven't fully recovered even today. people talk about the drop in welfare rolls under Mayor Rudolph Giuliani. It's true, but we are back only to 1989 levels.


The second disaster was the creation of the Ocean Hill-Brownsville school district. What ties these two disasters together is the sense that Mayor Lindsay held strongly that rural immigrants with semi-literate pasts, without any skills in an urban economy, had nothing whatsoever in common with earlier immigrants. Now, the argument that blacks were just like immigrants of old was wrong. But the sense that they were completely different from immigrants of old is also wrong. people coming from rural backgrounds without the kinds of academic skills you needed to make it into the economy need to be acculturated.


New York's schools, like those in Washington, D.C., at the time, were integrationist in their ideology, and both were judged highly successful using a contemporary standard. That model was destroyed in the name of a kind of multiculturalism. And what happened at Ocean Hill-Brownsville was a conflict so intense, so vicious, so hostile, over black separatism in the schools that the people in the city were literally at each other's throats.


Let me tell you what happened, and I'll tell you how Jason Epstein, one of the resident geniuses at the New York Review of Books described it. There was broad support in New York for decentralization. Once Tammany Hall was gone, there was no way to access government horizontally. From the 1940s, Ed Costikyan, one of the city's wisemen, was able to build broad support for decentralization. Unfortunately, the first attempt at large-scale decentralization occurred around schooling, and it intersected with the rise of black nationalism. The New York teachers union turned into the kind of time-serving, self-interested bureaucracy people claim it is, but it had not reached that point yet in those days. The teachers union had been active in the civil rights movement and had supported even decentralization.


Despite this, Mayor Lindsay double-crossed the union. He brought in McGeorge Bundy, fresh from Vietnam, even though he knew very little about Vietnam or the Vietnamese. He also knew very little about New York City, eastern New York State, or black Americans. That didn't stop him. Nation-building had failed in Vietnam, but he was determined to make it succeed in eastern New York State. He also was going to impose an essentially black nationalist regime on the schools in New York City through a man named Rhody McCoy, now forgotten even to New Yorkers who follow these things. He ended up as a professor, fittingly enough in the education department of the University of Massachusetts.


Essentially, decentralization got hijacked and, without stretching, it was taken over by thugs. There was a lot of violence; teachers were threatened; blacks and Jews were at each other's throats. It was right after the Six Day War: Jews were feeling newly empowered, and these two groups clashed.


Jason Epstein went to McCoy to tell him that, at that point, the city had two choices, that is, it could restore the teachers to that school district either by "exterminating every black in New York City or by capitulating entirely." Now, neither of those things happened, fortunately, but neither did the schools ever recover. One of the great economic mechanisms of New York, and one of the great civic mechanisms for integrating people into the larger society -- integrating them into the economy -- was destroyed, and it has never been repaired. It's constantly reexamining itself and reshaping itself. It's like Soviet-era agriculture: It's constantly reforming itself, but never succeeding.


So, I would suggest that in New York we actually see the Kerner Commission played out on the ground. In the one case, welfare replaced work for low-income people who were ready to move up the job ladder. In another case, race became the central factor of the curriculum (and the only factor of curriculum in Ocean Hill-Brownsville).


One final point on Mayor Lindsay: His authority to lead the Kerner Commission was due to the fact that his city was the one that had not burned. You will recall that New York City had only minor disturbances that didn't fit the official qualifications the Kerner Commission Report had laid out. Having been there, however, and having been in some of them, it was hard for me to tell the difference. As a personal note, I was in the Newark riots, the Pittsburgh riots, and the more recent Crown Heights and Washington Heights riots, and I was in some riots in New York City in those periods that did not qualify by the Kerner Commission standards but that didn't look very different to me.


I would suggest that part of this reputation is undeserved, but not exactly in that way. It was undeserved in the sense that the measures Mayor Lindsay took to keep the lid on were as destructive -- if not more destructive -- to the city than the riots themselves because they caused financial bankruptcy and the destruction of the school system. That is the legacy of the Kerner Commission in New York City.


-- Fred Siegel is Senior Fellow at the Progressive Policy Institute.

The Kerner Commission Report

This lecture was held at The Heritage Foundation on March 13, 1998. Welcome to our panel discussion on the 30th anniversary of the publication of the Kerner Commission Report.

www.heritage.org

Most 'minorities' are far more violently racist than WASPs are, a fact the latter often forget to their own damages.

So tell us, which of these historical events can you disprove?

561 The bishop of Uzes expelled Jews from his diocese in France

613 Jews were given the option of either leaving Spain or converting to Christianity. Jewish children over 6 years of age were taken from their parents and given a Christian education.

855 Jews were exiled from Italy

1096 The first Crusades started. As the soldiers passed through Europe on their way to the Holy Land, 12,000 Jews in the Rhine valley were killed because they did not convert to Christianity.

1099 The Crusaders forced all of the Jews of Jerusalem into a central synagogue and set it on fire.

1121 Jews were exiled from Flanders.

1146 The second Crusades began. A French monk named Rudolf called for the destruction of the Jews

1180 The French king of France, Philip Augustus, seized Jewish property and expelled them from France.

1215 The Fourth Lantern Council required Jews to wear a special dress so they could easily be identified. They also had to wear a special badge and ring. This spread to the other countries in Europe.

1227 The Synod of Narbonne required Jews to wear on oval badge. This requirement was reinstalled later in Nazi Germany.

1290 Jews were exiled from England

1298 Jews were persecuted in Austria, Bavaria, and Franconia. More than 100,000 Jews were killed over a 6 month period.

1321 In Gueinne France, Jews were accused of poisoning wells as 5,000 Jews were rounded up and murdered

1354 12,000 Jews were executed in Toledo

1394 Jews were exiled a second time from France

1497 Jews were banished from Portugal

1540 Jews were exiled from Naples.

1555 A Roman Catholic Papal Bull, "Cum nimis absurdum": required Jews to wear special badges and forced Jews to live in ghettos.

1582 Jews were exiled from Holland

1648. Chmielnicki Bogdan led an uprising against Polish rule in the Ukraine. The secondary goal was to exterminate the Jews. Around 100,000 Jews were murdered.

So Holocaust deniers have the added burden of splaining all this history away as well. In fact, you might say that the Holocaust was merely a natural climax to the persecution.

I'm not a holocaust denier, so go fuck yourself. I don't waste time on strawmen. Claiming Jews didn't persecute Christians is absurd on its face. they did so first, and did so often, and continued to do so at every opportunity as soldiers and administrators in the Muslim invasions and slaughters of Christians everywhere they could, including Spain. You seem to think All Jews lived in Christian lands, a load of nonsense; most lived with their Muslim partners, and enjoyed privileged positions most of the time to boot. Their self-isolation and arrogance as stooges for the feudal lords made them unpopular and hated, something they didn't mind when they were protected by their bosses guards.

 

[Picaro]

Well, it's a myth that Jews have always been 'horribly oppressed n stuff', that's just their own bullshit they scare their children with these days, about the 'horrors Of Da Evull Xians!!!' They were big supporters of Muslim invasions and regimes, persecuted Chrisiten with glee at every opportunity, which were plentiful given their special status with Muslim leaders as administrators and garrison soldiers, particularly in Spain.

The last two Jewish regimes in what is now Yemen bragged about their killings of some 40,000 Christians, before the Muslim imperialist butcher invasions began to conquer first the ME then India and North Africa. Jews sided with Muslims against Christians everywhere, which is why they were never trusted by anybody else, along with their self-isolation and racist bigotry against pretty much everybody else as well. They don't have much to legitimately snivel about, seeing as most of their problems are self-inflicted, which is usually the case for most everybody else as well. except to lesser extremes than Jewish Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox racism. Lots of tribes and peoples suffered a lot more than Jews ever did over thousands of years. Under Romans, Greeks, and Persians, for instance, Jews were substantially a privileged minority, same in Spain under the Muslims, which is why they had such extensive international trading privileges for so many centuries. They also enjoyed 'Temple State' privileges under Greek and Roman rule, and substantial freedoms under the Persians, and were exempt from forced military service in most cases as well. They only lost that under the Romans with their stupid revolt in A.D. 70 and a later one a couple decades later, a more minor one.

Their later history, after their own 'Enlightenment' type reforms in the late 18th century are a different story; many began devoting their education advantages to reason and the sciences, practically inventing entire new fields of study, like biochemistry. The later Nazi vilification of Jews was particularly bizarre, given it was the Jewish banking establishment that was supporting the Germans in WW I, due to their hatred of the Russians, for obvious reasons, and suffered a lot of consequences for going against Wilson and the British Morgan interests; so where Hitler and those idiots got the idea to babble 'Jewish Money' was out to destroy Germany is a curiosity, mostly due to their being lunatics who didn't really know squat, much like modern 'leftists' and 'revolutionaries' now doing the dirty work in the streets for Wall Street's BLM franchise and funded by some 300 major multi-national banks and corporations.

Blacks hate Jews for a number of reasons, their part in the slave trade, having their own ambulances in the case of NYC blacks, the standard NOI bullshit, and of course Jews and blacks clashed in NYC over the school system, wherein Jews cut their own throats in trying to stick a finger in the WASP establishment's eye over 'civil rights', and ended up getting tossed out of the NYC school system themselves by black racists, which of course is hilarious stuff. One reason they hate Jews:


In "Broken Cities: Liberalism's Urban Legacy" in the March-April 1998 issue of Policy Review: The Journal of American Citizenship, Steven Hayward quotes an infamous New York City welfare commissioner whom The New York Daily News dubs "Come and Get It Ginsburg." The city actually was advertising for people to come on to welfare. What was the logic? It was the logic of the Kerner Commission Report. It was the sense that African-Americans were so damaged that what they needed was not help making it into society, but a respite from society; in effect, they should be pensioned off.


people sometimes argue that this welfare explosion was the price of good intentions. Nonsense. The theorists behind this movement are two people named Piven and Cloward, who are still alive. It's difficult to imagine how they get through the day knowing what they did, but they seem to do it. One's at Columbia University, and other is at City University of New York. Their logic is that, if you expanded the welfare role sufficiently, you would bankrupt the city, force a political crisis, and set people at each other's throats. The idea was that New York was at a median point, so if New York exploded like this, then the rest of the country would have to respond. Well, they succeeded in part. people were at each other's throats, and the city did go bankrupt.


You simply can't add that many people to welfare. This is difficult to imagine, but in1965, New York was not a particularly high-tax place. I don't mean that we were ever low. We taxed all sorts of things that no one else would think of taxing, such as moving vans. But we weren't off the charts. Five years later, however, we were off the charts, and the city's economy was heading straight downhill. That's one disaster, a disaster for which we really haven't fully recovered even today. people talk about the drop in welfare rolls under Mayor Rudolph Giuliani. It's true, but we are back only to 1989 levels.


The second disaster was the creation of the Ocean Hill-Brownsville school district. What ties these two disasters together is the sense that Mayor Lindsay held strongly that rural immigrants with semi-literate pasts, without any skills in an urban economy, had nothing whatsoever in common with earlier immigrants. Now, the argument that blacks were just like immigrants of old was wrong. But the sense that they were completely different from immigrants of old is also wrong. people coming from rural backgrounds without the kinds of academic skills you needed to make it into the economy need to be acculturated.


New York's schools, like those in Washington, D.C., at the time, were integrationist in their ideology, and both were judged highly successful using a contemporary standard. That model was destroyed in the name of a kind of multiculturalism. And what happened at Ocean Hill-Brownsville was a conflict so intense, so vicious, so hostile, over black separatism in the schools that the people in the city were literally at each other's throats.


Let me tell you what happened, and I'll tell you how Jason Epstein, one of the resident geniuses at the New York Review of Books described it. There was broad support in New York for decentralization. Once Tammany Hall was gone, there was no way to access government horizontally. From the 1940s, Ed Costikyan, one of the city's wisemen, was able to build broad support for decentralization. Unfortunately, the first attempt at large-scale decentralization occurred around schooling, and it intersected with the rise of black nationalism. The New York teachers union turned into the kind of time-serving, self-interested bureaucracy people claim it is, but it had not reached that point yet in those days. The teachers union had been active in the civil rights movement and had supported even decentralization.


Despite this, Mayor Lindsay double-crossed the union. He brought in McGeorge Bundy, fresh from Vietnam, even though he knew very little about Vietnam or the Vietnamese. He also knew very little about New York City, eastern New York State, or black Americans. That didn't stop him. Nation-building had failed in Vietnam, but he was determined to make it succeed in eastern New York State. He also was going to impose an essentially black nationalist regime on the schools in New York City through a man named Rhody McCoy, now forgotten even to New Yorkers who follow these things. He ended up as a professor, fittingly enough in the education department of the University of Massachusetts.


Essentially, decentralization got hijacked and, without stretching, it was taken over by thugs. There was a lot of violence; teachers were threatened; blacks and Jews were at each other's throats. It was right after the Six Day War: Jews were feeling newly empowered, and these two groups clashed.


Jason Epstein went to McCoy to tell him that, at that point, the city had two choices, that is, it could restore the teachers to that school district either by "exterminating every black in New York City or by capitulating entirely." Now, neither of those things happened, fortunately, but neither did the schools ever recover. One of the great economic mechanisms of New York, and one of the great civic mechanisms for integrating people into the larger society -- integrating them into the economy -- was destroyed, and it has never been repaired. It's constantly reexamining itself and reshaping itself. It's like Soviet-era agriculture: It's constantly reforming itself, but never succeeding.


So, I would suggest that in New York we actually see the Kerner Commission played out on the ground. In the one case, welfare replaced work for low-income people who were ready to move up the job ladder. In another case, race became the central factor of the curriculum (and the only factor of curriculum in Ocean Hill-Brownsville).


One final point on Mayor Lindsay: His authority to lead the Kerner Commission was due to the fact that his city was the one that had not burned. You will recall that New York City had only minor disturbances that didn't fit the official qualifications the Kerner Commission Report had laid out. Having been there, however, and having been in some of them, it was hard for me to tell the difference. As a personal note, I was in the Newark riots, the Pittsburgh riots, and the more recent Crown Heights and Washington Heights riots, and I was in some riots in New York City in those periods that did not qualify by the Kerner Commission standards but that didn't look very different to me.


I would suggest that part of this reputation is undeserved, but not exactly in that way. It was undeserved in the sense that the measures Mayor Lindsay took to keep the lid on were as destructive -- if not more destructive -- to the city than the riots themselves because they caused financial bankruptcy and the destruction of the school system. That is the legacy of the Kerner Commission in New York City.


-- Fred Siegel is Senior Fellow at the Progressive Policy Institute.

The Kerner Commission Report

This lecture was held at The Heritage Foundation on March 13, 1998. Welcome to our panel discussion on the 30th anniversary of the publication of the Kerner Commission Report.

www.heritage.org

Most 'minorities' are far more violently racist than WASPs are, a fact the latter often forget to their own damages.

History of Countries who have killed, expelled and persecuted Jews - Google Search

The Jewish People have persecuted and oppressed Christians? Christians have been persecuting and killing Jews for over 2000 years . They were responsible for slavery? They make up less then 2/10 0f 1 percent of the World Population. Another Moronic Claim
Blame the Killing of 6 Million Jews on the Jews themselves, part of your " Christian Values"

Anti-Semitism of the "Church Fathers"

Rubbish, followed by an assortment of blatantly false strawmen and fake history. Your own historians have been exploding a lot of those myths. And do cite where the Nazis were' Christians'; they weren't, that's just lies that Jewish racists like to peddle and scare their kids with. I've already posted some of that history in the History Forum, complete with sources, and have more I never got around to, so go ahead and damage your credibility by lying about what I said and keep trying to sell those strawmen about the holocaust being 'Christian Values'. You want to trash Catholics, well, fine, but even there you'll be full of shit over 60% of the time. We can find many more Jews than priests selling out to the Nazis and doing their dirty work for them. I'm happy that Patton was ignored, as I wouldn't have shed one drop of blood saving eastern Europe from the Reds, for the record, because of their cooperation with the Nazis. Jews never showed much 'mercy' to their enemies, either, so don't feel you're special enough to criticize others over their bigotry.

My links are lies? The Antisemitism that the Church has been spewing for over 2000 years isn’t true and we’re responsible for the Holocaust?
Tell us why Jews should have “ mercy” to their “ Christian “ Mankind. .

You still can't address what I said, can you? That's because you know you're being dishonest.

I have addressed it with my links. You’re the one who dishonestly denies them. .

lol you never addressed anything I said, your links don't either, they just support you onw strawmen argument, and by selective editing out of Jewish history, naturally; you Jewish racists just don't like for the unwashed goy to air your dirty laundry, is al. Too bad Jewish scholars aren't as committed to racist fictions as you are.

 

[USAF 2023]

Well, it's a myth that Jews have always been 'horribly oppressed n stuff', that's just their own bullshit they scare their children with these days, about the 'horrors Of Da Evull Xians!!!' They were big supporters of Muslim invasions and regimes, persecuted Chrisiten with glee at every opportunity, which were plentiful given their special status with Muslim leaders as administrators and garrison soldiers, particularly in Spain.

The last two Jewish regimes in what is now Yemen bragged about their killings of some 40,000 Christians, before the Muslim imperialist butcher invasions began to conquer first the ME then India and North Africa. Jews sided with Muslims against Christians everywhere, which is why they were never trusted by anybody else, along with their self-isolation and racist bigotry against pretty much everybody else as well. They don't have much to legitimately snivel about, seeing as most of their problems are self-inflicted, which is usually the case for most everybody else as well. except to lesser extremes than Jewish Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox racism. Lots of tribes and peoples suffered a lot more than Jews ever did over thousands of years. Under Romans, Greeks, and Persians, for instance, Jews were substantially a privileged minority, same in Spain under the Muslims, which is why they had such extensive international trading privileges for so many centuries. They also enjoyed 'Temple State' privileges under Greek and Roman rule, and substantial freedoms under the Persians, and were exempt from forced military service in most cases as well. They only lost that under the Romans with their stupid revolt in A.D. 70 and a later one a couple decades later, a more minor one.

Their later history, after their own 'Enlightenment' type reforms in the late 18th century are a different story; many began devoting their education advantages to reason and the sciences, practically inventing entire new fields of study, like biochemistry. The later Nazi vilification of Jews was particularly bizarre, given it was the Jewish banking establishment that was supporting the Germans in WW I, due to their hatred of the Russians, for obvious reasons, and suffered a lot of consequences for going against Wilson and the British Morgan interests; so where Hitler and those idiots got the idea to babble 'Jewish Money' was out to destroy Germany is a curiosity, mostly due to their being lunatics who didn't really know squat, much like modern 'leftists' and 'revolutionaries' now doing the dirty work in the streets for Wall Street's BLM franchise and funded by some 300 major multi-national banks and corporations.

Blacks hate Jews for a number of reasons, their part in the slave trade, having their own ambulances in the case of NYC blacks, the standard NOI bullshit, and of course Jews and blacks clashed in NYC over the school system, wherein Jews cut their own throats in trying to stick a finger in the WASP establishment's eye over 'civil rights', and ended up getting tossed out of the NYC school system themselves by black racists, which of course is hilarious stuff. One reason they hate Jews:


In "Broken Cities: Liberalism's Urban Legacy" in the March-April 1998 issue of Policy Review: The Journal of American Citizenship, Steven Hayward quotes an infamous New York City welfare commissioner whom The New York Daily News dubs "Come and Get It Ginsburg." The city actually was advertising for people to come on to welfare. What was the logic? It was the logic of the Kerner Commission Report. It was the sense that African-Americans were so damaged that what they needed was not help making it into society, but a respite from society; in effect, they should be pensioned off.


people sometimes argue that this welfare explosion was the price of good intentions. Nonsense. The theorists behind this movement are two people named Piven and Cloward, who are still alive. It's difficult to imagine how they get through the day knowing what they did, but they seem to do it. One's at Columbia University, and other is at City University of New York. Their logic is that, if you expanded the welfare role sufficiently, you would bankrupt the city, force a political crisis, and set people at each other's throats. The idea was that New York was at a median point, so if New York exploded like this, then the rest of the country would have to respond. Well, they succeeded in part. people were at each other's throats, and the city did go bankrupt.


You simply can't add that many people to welfare. This is difficult to imagine, but in1965, New York was not a particularly high-tax place. I don't mean that we were ever low. We taxed all sorts of things that no one else would think of taxing, such as moving vans. But we weren't off the charts. Five years later, however, we were off the charts, and the city's economy was heading straight downhill. That's one disaster, a disaster for which we really haven't fully recovered even today. people talk about the drop in welfare rolls under Mayor Rudolph Giuliani. It's true, but we are back only to 1989 levels.


The second disaster was the creation of the Ocean Hill-Brownsville school district. What ties these two disasters together is the sense that Mayor Lindsay held strongly that rural immigrants with semi-literate pasts, without any skills in an urban economy, had nothing whatsoever in common with earlier immigrants. Now, the argument that blacks were just like immigrants of old was wrong. But the sense that they were completely different from immigrants of old is also wrong. people coming from rural backgrounds without the kinds of academic skills you needed to make it into the economy need to be acculturated.


New York's schools, like those in Washington, D.C., at the time, were integrationist in their ideology, and both were judged highly successful using a contemporary standard. That model was destroyed in the name of a kind of multiculturalism. And what happened at Ocean Hill-Brownsville was a conflict so intense, so vicious, so hostile, over black separatism in the schools that the people in the city were literally at each other's throats.


Let me tell you what happened, and I'll tell you how Jason Epstein, one of the resident geniuses at the New York Review of Books described it. There was broad support in New York for decentralization. Once Tammany Hall was gone, there was no way to access government horizontally. From the 1940s, Ed Costikyan, one of the city's wisemen, was able to build broad support for decentralization. Unfortunately, the first attempt at large-scale decentralization occurred around schooling, and it intersected with the rise of black nationalism. The New York teachers union turned into the kind of time-serving, self-interested bureaucracy people claim it is, but it had not reached that point yet in those days. The teachers union had been active in the civil rights movement and had supported even decentralization.


Despite this, Mayor Lindsay double-crossed the union. He brought in McGeorge Bundy, fresh from Vietnam, even though he knew very little about Vietnam or the Vietnamese. He also knew very little about New York City, eastern New York State, or black Americans. That didn't stop him. Nation-building had failed in Vietnam, but he was determined to make it succeed in eastern New York State. He also was going to impose an essentially black nationalist regime on the schools in New York City through a man named Rhody McCoy, now forgotten even to New Yorkers who follow these things. He ended up as a professor, fittingly enough in the education department of the University of Massachusetts.


Essentially, decentralization got hijacked and, without stretching, it was taken over by thugs. There was a lot of violence; teachers were threatened; blacks and Jews were at each other's throats. It was right after the Six Day War: Jews were feeling newly empowered, and these two groups clashed.


Jason Epstein went to McCoy to tell him that, at that point, the city had two choices, that is, it could restore the teachers to that school district either by "exterminating every black in New York City or by capitulating entirely." Now, neither of those things happened, fortunately, but neither did the schools ever recover. One of the great economic mechanisms of New York, and one of the great civic mechanisms for integrating people into the larger society -- integrating them into the economy -- was destroyed, and it has never been repaired. It's constantly reexamining itself and reshaping itself. It's like Soviet-era agriculture: It's constantly reforming itself, but never succeeding.


So, I would suggest that in New York we actually see the Kerner Commission played out on the ground. In the one case, welfare replaced work for low-income people who were ready to move up the job ladder. In another case, race became the central factor of the curriculum (and the only factor of curriculum in Ocean Hill-Brownsville).


One final point on Mayor Lindsay: His authority to lead the Kerner Commission was due to the fact that his city was the one that had not burned. You will recall that New York City had only minor disturbances that didn't fit the official qualifications the Kerner Commission Report had laid out. Having been there, however, and having been in some of them, it was hard for me to tell the difference. As a personal note, I was in the Newark riots, the Pittsburgh riots, and the more recent Crown Heights and Washington Heights riots, and I was in some riots in New York City in those periods that did not qualify by the Kerner Commission standards but that didn't look very different to me.


I would suggest that part of this reputation is undeserved, but not exactly in that way. It was undeserved in the sense that the measures Mayor Lindsay took to keep the lid on were as destructive -- if not more destructive -- to the city than the riots themselves because they caused financial bankruptcy and the destruction of the school system. That is the legacy of the Kerner Commission in New York City.


-- Fred Siegel is Senior Fellow at the Progressive Policy Institute.

The Kerner Commission Report

This lecture was held at The Heritage Foundation on March 13, 1998. Welcome to our panel discussion on the 30th anniversary of the publication of the Kerner Commission Report.

www.heritage.org

Most 'minorities' are far more violently racist than WASPs are, a fact the latter often forget to their own damages.

History of Countries who have killed, expelled and persecuted Jews - Google Search

The Jewish People have persecuted and oppressed Christians? Christians have been persecuting and killing Jews for over 2000 years . They were responsible for slavery? They make up less then 2/10 0f 1 percent of the World Population. Another Moronic Claim
Blame the Killing of 6 Million Jews on the Jews themselves, part of your " Christian Values"

Anti-Semitism of the "Church Fathers"

Rubbish, followed by an assortment of blatantly false strawmen and fake history. Your own historians have been exploding a lot of those myths. And do cite where the Nazis were' Christians'; they weren't, that's just lies that Jewish racists like to peddle and scare their kids with. I've already posted some of that history in the History Forum, complete with sources, and have more I never got around to, so go ahead and damage your credibility by lying about what I said and keep trying to sell those strawmen about the holocaust being 'Christian Values'. You want to trash Catholics, well, fine, but even there you'll be full of shit over 60% of the time. We can find many more Jews than priests selling out to the Nazis and doing their dirty work for them. I'm happy that Patton was ignored, as I wouldn't have shed one drop of blood saving eastern Europe from the Reds, for the record, because of their cooperation with the Nazis. Jews never showed much 'mercy' to their enemies, either, so don't feel you're special enough to criticize others over their bigotry.

My links are lies? The Antisemitism that the Church has been spewing for over 2000 years isn’t true and we’re responsible for the Holocaust?
Tell us why Jews should have “ mercy” to their “ Christian “ Mankind. .

You still can't address what I said, can you? That's because you know you're being dishonest.

I have addressed it with my links. You’re the one who dishonestly denies them. .

lol you never addressed anything I said, your links don't either, they just support you onw strawmen argument, and by selective editing out of Jewish history, naturally; you Jewish racists just don't like for the unwashed goy to air your dirty laundry, is al. Too bad Jewish scholars aren't as committed to racist fictions as you are.

The Hatred that the Christian Community and the “ Church” has had for the Jewish people over 2000 years isn’t true? My links are false? Prove it
Only in your dreams. Glad you called yourself an Unwashed GOY.

 

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Well, it's a myth that Jews have always been 'horribly oppressed n stuff', that's just their own bullshit they scare their children with these days, about the 'horrors Of Da Evull Xians!!!' They were big supporters of Muslim invasions and regimes, persecuted Chrisiten with glee at every opportunity, which were plentiful given their special status with Muslim leaders as administrators and garrison soldiers, particularly in Spain.

The last two Jewish regimes in what is now Yemen bragged about their killings of some 40,000 Christians, before the Muslim imperialist butcher invasions began to conquer first the ME then India and North Africa. Jews sided with Muslims against Christians everywhere, which is why they were never trusted by anybody else, along with their self-isolation and racist bigotry against pretty much everybody else as well. They don't have much to legitimately snivel about, seeing as most of their problems are self-inflicted, which is usually the case for most everybody else as well. except to lesser extremes than Jewish Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox racism. Lots of tribes and peoples suffered a lot more than Jews ever did over thousands of years. Under Romans, Greeks, and Persians, for instance, Jews were substantially a privileged minority, same in Spain under the Muslims, which is why they had such extensive international trading privileges for so many centuries. They also enjoyed 'Temple State' privileges under Greek and Roman rule, and substantial freedoms under the Persians, and were exempt from forced military service in most cases as well. They only lost that under the Romans with their stupid revolt in A.D. 70 and a later one a couple decades later, a more minor one.

Their later history, after their own 'Enlightenment' type reforms in the late 18th century are a different story; many began devoting their education advantages to reason and the sciences, practically inventing entire new fields of study, like biochemistry. The later Nazi vilification of Jews was particularly bizarre, given it was the Jewish banking establishment that was supporting the Germans in WW I, due to their hatred of the Russians, for obvious reasons, and suffered a lot of consequences for going against Wilson and the British Morgan interests; so where Hitler and those idiots got the idea to babble 'Jewish Money' was out to destroy Germany is a curiosity, mostly due to their being lunatics who didn't really know squat, much like modern 'leftists' and 'revolutionaries' now doing the dirty work in the streets for Wall Street's BLM franchise and funded by some 300 major multi-national banks and corporations.

Blacks hate Jews for a number of reasons, their part in the slave trade, having their own ambulances in the case of NYC blacks, the standard NOI bullshit, and of course Jews and blacks clashed in NYC over the school system, wherein Jews cut their own throats in trying to stick a finger in the WASP establishment's eye over 'civil rights', and ended up getting tossed out of the NYC school system themselves by black racists, which of course is hilarious stuff. One reason they hate Jews:


In "Broken Cities: Liberalism's Urban Legacy" in the March-April 1998 issue of Policy Review: The Journal of American Citizenship, Steven Hayward quotes an infamous New York City welfare commissioner whom The New York Daily News dubs "Come and Get It Ginsburg." The city actually was advertising for people to come on to welfare. What was the logic? It was the logic of the Kerner Commission Report. It was the sense that African-Americans were so damaged that what they needed was not help making it into society, but a respite from society; in effect, they should be pensioned off.


people sometimes argue that this welfare explosion was the price of good intentions. Nonsense. The theorists behind this movement are two people named Piven and Cloward, who are still alive. It's difficult to imagine how they get through the day knowing what they did, but they seem to do it. One's at Columbia University, and other is at City University of New York. Their logic is that, if you expanded the welfare role sufficiently, you would bankrupt the city, force a political crisis, and set people at each other's throats. The idea was that New York was at a median point, so if New York exploded like this, then the rest of the country would have to respond. Well, they succeeded in part. people were at each other's throats, and the city did go bankrupt.


You simply can't add that many people to welfare. This is difficult to imagine, but in1965, New York was not a particularly high-tax place. I don't mean that we were ever low. We taxed all sorts of things that no one else would think of taxing, such as moving vans. But we weren't off the charts. Five years later, however, we were off the charts, and the city's economy was heading straight downhill. That's one disaster, a disaster for which we really haven't fully recovered even today. people talk about the drop in welfare rolls under Mayor Rudolph Giuliani. It's true, but we are back only to 1989 levels.


The second disaster was the creation of the Ocean Hill-Brownsville school district. What ties these two disasters together is the sense that Mayor Lindsay held strongly that rural immigrants with semi-literate pasts, without any skills in an urban economy, had nothing whatsoever in common with earlier immigrants. Now, the argument that blacks were just like immigrants of old was wrong. But the sense that they were completely different from immigrants of old is also wrong. people coming from rural backgrounds without the kinds of academic skills you needed to make it into the economy need to be acculturated.


New York's schools, like those in Washington, D.C., at the time, were integrationist in their ideology, and both were judged highly successful using a contemporary standard. That model was destroyed in the name of a kind of multiculturalism. And what happened at Ocean Hill-Brownsville was a conflict so intense, so vicious, so hostile, over black separatism in the schools that the people in the city were literally at each other's throats.


Let me tell you what happened, and I'll tell you how Jason Epstein, one of the resident geniuses at the New York Review of Books described it. There was broad support in New York for decentralization. Once Tammany Hall was gone, there was no way to access government horizontally. From the 1940s, Ed Costikyan, one of the city's wisemen, was able to build broad support for decentralization. Unfortunately, the first attempt at large-scale decentralization occurred around schooling, and it intersected with the rise of black nationalism. The New York teachers union turned into the kind of time-serving, self-interested bureaucracy people claim it is, but it had not reached that point yet in those days. The teachers union had been active in the civil rights movement and had supported even decentralization.


Despite this, Mayor Lindsay double-crossed the union. He brought in McGeorge Bundy, fresh from Vietnam, even though he knew very little about Vietnam or the Vietnamese. He also knew very little about New York City, eastern New York State, or black Americans. That didn't stop him. Nation-building had failed in Vietnam, but he was determined to make it succeed in eastern New York State. He also was going to impose an essentially black nationalist regime on the schools in New York City through a man named Rhody McCoy, now forgotten even to New Yorkers who follow these things. He ended up as a professor, fittingly enough in the education department of the University of Massachusetts.


Essentially, decentralization got hijacked and, without stretching, it was taken over by thugs. There was a lot of violence; teachers were threatened; blacks and Jews were at each other's throats. It was right after the Six Day War: Jews were feeling newly empowered, and these two groups clashed.


Jason Epstein went to McCoy to tell him that, at that point, the city had two choices, that is, it could restore the teachers to that school district either by "exterminating every black in New York City or by capitulating entirely." Now, neither of those things happened, fortunately, but neither did the schools ever recover. One of the great economic mechanisms of New York, and one of the great civic mechanisms for integrating people into the larger society -- integrating them into the economy -- was destroyed, and it has never been repaired. It's constantly reexamining itself and reshaping itself. It's like Soviet-era agriculture: It's constantly reforming itself, but never succeeding.


So, I would suggest that in New York we actually see the Kerner Commission played out on the ground. In the one case, welfare replaced work for low-income people who were ready to move up the job ladder. In another case, race became the central factor of the curriculum (and the only factor of curriculum in Ocean Hill-Brownsville).


One final point on Mayor Lindsay: His authority to lead the Kerner Commission was due to the fact that his city was the one that had not burned. You will recall that New York City had only minor disturbances that didn't fit the official qualifications the Kerner Commission Report had laid out. Having been there, however, and having been in some of them, it was hard for me to tell the difference. As a personal note, I was in the Newark riots, the Pittsburgh riots, and the more recent Crown Heights and Washington Heights riots, and I was in some riots in New York City in those periods that did not qualify by the Kerner Commission standards but that didn't look very different to me.


I would suggest that part of this reputation is undeserved, but not exactly in that way. It was undeserved in the sense that the measures Mayor Lindsay took to keep the lid on were as destructive -- if not more destructive -- to the city than the riots themselves because they caused financial bankruptcy and the destruction of the school system. That is the legacy of the Kerner Commission in New York City.


-- Fred Siegel is Senior Fellow at the Progressive Policy Institute.

The Kerner Commission Report

This lecture was held at The Heritage Foundation on March 13, 1998. Welcome to our panel discussion on the 30th anniversary of the publication of the Kerner Commission Report.

www.heritage.org

Most 'minorities' are far more violently racist than WASPs are, a fact the latter often forget to their own damages.

History of Countries who have killed, expelled and persecuted Jews - Google Search

The Jewish People have persecuted and oppressed Christians? Christians have been persecuting and killing Jews for over 2000 years . They were responsible for slavery? They make up less then 2/10 0f 1 percent of the World Population. Another Moronic Claim
Blame the Killing of 6 Million Jews on the Jews themselves, part of your " Christian Values"

Anti-Semitism of the "Church Fathers"

Rubbish, followed by an assortment of blatantly false strawmen and fake history. Your own historians have been exploding a lot of those myths. And do cite where the Nazis were' Christians'; they weren't, that's just lies that Jewish racists like to peddle and scare their kids with. I've already posted some of that history in the History Forum, complete with sources, and have more I never got around to, so go ahead and damage your credibility by lying about what I said and keep trying to sell those strawmen about the holocaust being 'Christian Values'. You want to trash Catholics, well, fine, but even there you'll be full of shit over 60% of the time. We can find many more Jews than priests selling out to the Nazis and doing their dirty work for them. I'm happy that Patton was ignored, as I wouldn't have shed one drop of blood saving eastern Europe from the Reds, for the record, because of their cooperation with the Nazis. Jews never showed much 'mercy' to their enemies, either, so don't feel you're special enough to criticize others over their bigotry.

My links are lies? The Antisemitism that the Church has been spewing for over 2000 years isn’t true and we’re responsible for the Holocaust?
Tell us why Jews should have “ mercy” to their “ Christian “ Mankind. .

You still can't address what I said, can you? That's because you know you're being dishonest.

I have addressed it with my links. You’re the one who dishonestly denies them. .

lol you never addressed anything I said, your links don't either, they just support you onw strawmen argument, and by selective editing out of Jewish history, naturally; you Jewish racists just don't like for the unwashed goy to air your dirty laundry, is al. Too bad Jewish scholars aren't as committed to racist fictions as you are.

The Hatred that the Christian Community and the “ Church” has had for the Jewish people over 2000 years isn’t true? My links are false? Prove it
Only in your dreams. Glad you called yourself an Unwashed GOY.

If you say there is hatred, why?

 

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Well, it's a myth that Jews have always been 'horribly oppressed n stuff', that's just their own bullshit they scare their children with these days, about the 'horrors Of Da Evull Xians!!!' They were big supporters of Muslim invasions and regimes, persecuted Chrisiten with glee at every opportunity, which were plentiful given their special status with Muslim leaders as administrators and garrison soldiers, particularly in Spain.

The last two Jewish regimes in what is now Yemen bragged about their killings of some 40,000 Christians, before the Muslim imperialist butcher invasions began to conquer first the ME then India and North Africa. Jews sided with Muslims against Christians everywhere, which is why they were never trusted by anybody else, along with their self-isolation and racist bigotry against pretty much everybody else as well. They don't have much to legitimately snivel about, seeing as most of their problems are self-inflicted, which is usually the case for most everybody else as well. except to lesser extremes than Jewish Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox racism. Lots of tribes and peoples suffered a lot more than Jews ever did over thousands of years. Under Romans, Greeks, and Persians, for instance, Jews were substantially a privileged minority, same in Spain under the Muslims, which is why they had such extensive international trading privileges for so many centuries. They also enjoyed 'Temple State' privileges under Greek and Roman rule, and substantial freedoms under the Persians, and were exempt from forced military service in most cases as well. They only lost that under the Romans with their stupid revolt in A.D. 70 and a later one a couple decades later, a more minor one.

Their later history, after their own 'Enlightenment' type reforms in the late 18th century are a different story; many began devoting their education advantages to reason and the sciences, practically inventing entire new fields of study, like biochemistry. The later Nazi vilification of Jews was particularly bizarre, given it was the Jewish banking establishment that was supporting the Germans in WW I, due to their hatred of the Russians, for obvious reasons, and suffered a lot of consequences for going against Wilson and the British Morgan interests; so where Hitler and those idiots got the idea to babble 'Jewish Money' was out to destroy Germany is a curiosity, mostly due to their being lunatics who didn't really know squat, much like modern 'leftists' and 'revolutionaries' now doing the dirty work in the streets for Wall Street's BLM franchise and funded by some 300 major multi-national banks and corporations.

Blacks hate Jews for a number of reasons, their part in the slave trade, having their own ambulances in the case of NYC blacks, the standard NOI bullshit, and of course Jews and blacks clashed in NYC over the school system, wherein Jews cut their own throats in trying to stick a finger in the WASP establishment's eye over 'civil rights', and ended up getting tossed out of the NYC school system themselves by black racists, which of course is hilarious stuff. One reason they hate Jews:


In "Broken Cities: Liberalism's Urban Legacy" in the March-April 1998 issue of Policy Review: The Journal of American Citizenship, Steven Hayward quotes an infamous New York City welfare commissioner whom The New York Daily News dubs "Come and Get It Ginsburg." The city actually was advertising for people to come on to welfare. What was the logic? It was the logic of the Kerner Commission Report. It was the sense that African-Americans were so damaged that what they needed was not help making it into society, but a respite from society; in effect, they should be pensioned off.


people sometimes argue that this welfare explosion was the price of good intentions. Nonsense. The theorists behind this movement are two people named Piven and Cloward, who are still alive. It's difficult to imagine how they get through the day knowing what they did, but they seem to do it. One's at Columbia University, and other is at City University of New York. Their logic is that, if you expanded the welfare role sufficiently, you would bankrupt the city, force a political crisis, and set people at each other's throats. The idea was that New York was at a median point, so if New York exploded like this, then the rest of the country would have to respond. Well, they succeeded in part. people were at each other's throats, and the city did go bankrupt.


You simply can't add that many people to welfare. This is difficult to imagine, but in1965, New York was not a particularly high-tax place. I don't mean that we were ever low. We taxed all sorts of things that no one else would think of taxing, such as moving vans. But we weren't off the charts. Five years later, however, we were off the charts, and the city's economy was heading straight downhill. That's one disaster, a disaster for which we really haven't fully recovered even today. people talk about the drop in welfare rolls under Mayor Rudolph Giuliani. It's true, but we are back only to 1989 levels.


The second disaster was the creation of the Ocean Hill-Brownsville school district. What ties these two disasters together is the sense that Mayor Lindsay held strongly that rural immigrants with semi-literate pasts, without any skills in an urban economy, had nothing whatsoever in common with earlier immigrants. Now, the argument that blacks were just like immigrants of old was wrong. But the sense that they were completely different from immigrants of old is also wrong. people coming from rural backgrounds without the kinds of academic skills you needed to make it into the economy need to be acculturated.


New York's schools, like those in Washington, D.C., at the time, were integrationist in their ideology, and both were judged highly successful using a contemporary standard. That model was destroyed in the name of a kind of multiculturalism. And what happened at Ocean Hill-Brownsville was a conflict so intense, so vicious, so hostile, over black separatism in the schools that the people in the city were literally at each other's throats.


Let me tell you what happened, and I'll tell you how Jason Epstein, one of the resident geniuses at the New York Review of Books described it. There was broad support in New York for decentralization. Once Tammany Hall was gone, there was no way to access government horizontally. From the 1940s, Ed Costikyan, one of the city's wisemen, was able to build broad support for decentralization. Unfortunately, the first attempt at large-scale decentralization occurred around schooling, and it intersected with the rise of black nationalism. The New York teachers union turned into the kind of time-serving, self-interested bureaucracy people claim it is, but it had not reached that point yet in those days. The teachers union had been active in the civil rights movement and had supported even decentralization.


Despite this, Mayor Lindsay double-crossed the union. He brought in McGeorge Bundy, fresh from Vietnam, even though he knew very little about Vietnam or the Vietnamese. He also knew very little about New York City, eastern New York State, or black Americans. That didn't stop him. Nation-building had failed in Vietnam, but he was determined to make it succeed in eastern New York State. He also was going to impose an essentially black nationalist regime on the schools in New York City through a man named Rhody McCoy, now forgotten even to New Yorkers who follow these things. He ended up as a professor, fittingly enough in the education department of the University of Massachusetts.


Essentially, decentralization got hijacked and, without stretching, it was taken over by thugs. There was a lot of violence; teachers were threatened; blacks and Jews were at each other's throats. It was right after the Six Day War: Jews were feeling newly empowered, and these two groups clashed.


Jason Epstein went to McCoy to tell him that, at that point, the city had two choices, that is, it could restore the teachers to that school district either by "exterminating every black in New York City or by capitulating entirely." Now, neither of those things happened, fortunately, but neither did the schools ever recover. One of the great economic mechanisms of New York, and one of the great civic mechanisms for integrating people into the larger society -- integrating them into the economy -- was destroyed, and it has never been repaired. It's constantly reexamining itself and reshaping itself. It's like Soviet-era agriculture: It's constantly reforming itself, but never succeeding.


So, I would suggest that in New York we actually see the Kerner Commission played out on the ground. In the one case, welfare replaced work for low-income people who were ready to move up the job ladder. In another case, race became the central factor of the curriculum (and the only factor of curriculum in Ocean Hill-Brownsville).


One final point on Mayor Lindsay: His authority to lead the Kerner Commission was due to the fact that his city was the one that had not burned. You will recall that New York City had only minor disturbances that didn't fit the official qualifications the Kerner Commission Report had laid out. Having been there, however, and having been in some of them, it was hard for me to tell the difference. As a personal note, I was in the Newark riots, the Pittsburgh riots, and the more recent Crown Heights and Washington Heights riots, and I was in some riots in New York City in those periods that did not qualify by the Kerner Commission standards but that didn't look very different to me.


I would suggest that part of this reputation is undeserved, but not exactly in that way. It was undeserved in the sense that the measures Mayor Lindsay took to keep the lid on were as destructive -- if not more destructive -- to the city than the riots themselves because they caused financial bankruptcy and the destruction of the school system. That is the legacy of the Kerner Commission in New York City.


-- Fred Siegel is Senior Fellow at the Progressive Policy Institute.

The Kerner Commission Report

This lecture was held at The Heritage Foundation on March 13, 1998. Welcome to our panel discussion on the 30th anniversary of the publication of the Kerner Commission Report.

www.heritage.org

Most 'minorities' are far more violently racist than WASPs are, a fact the latter often forget to their own damages.

History of Countries who have killed, expelled and persecuted Jews - Google Search

The Jewish People have persecuted and oppressed Christians? Christians have been persecuting and killing Jews for over 2000 years . They were responsible for slavery? They make up less then 2/10 0f 1 percent of the World Population. Another Moronic Claim
Blame the Killing of 6 Million Jews on the Jews themselves, part of your " Christian Values"

Anti-Semitism of the "Church Fathers"

Rubbish, followed by an assortment of blatantly false strawmen and fake history. Your own historians have been exploding a lot of those myths. And do cite where the Nazis were' Christians'; they weren't, that's just lies that Jewish racists like to peddle and scare their kids with. I've already posted some of that history in the History Forum, complete with sources, and have more I never got around to, so go ahead and damage your credibility by lying about what I said and keep trying to sell those strawmen about the holocaust being 'Christian Values'. You want to trash Catholics, well, fine, but even there you'll be full of shit over 60% of the time. We can find many more Jews than priests selling out to the Nazis and doing their dirty work for them. I'm happy that Patton was ignored, as I wouldn't have shed one drop of blood saving eastern Europe from the Reds, for the record, because of their cooperation with the Nazis. Jews never showed much 'mercy' to their enemies, either, so don't feel you're special enough to criticize others over their bigotry.

My links are lies? The Antisemitism that the Church has been spewing for over 2000 years isn’t true and we’re responsible for the Holocaust?
Tell us why Jews should have “ mercy” to their “ Christian “ Mankind. .

You still can't address what I said, can you? That's because you know you're being dishonest.

I have addressed it with my links. You’re the one who dishonestly denies them. .

lol you never addressed anything I said, your links don't either, they just support you onw strawmen argument, and by selective editing out of Jewish history, naturally; you Jewish racists just don't like for the unwashed goy to air your dirty laundry, is al. Too bad Jewish scholars aren't as committed to racist fictions as you are.

The Hatred that the Christian Community and the “ Church” has had for the Jewish people over 2000 years isn’t true? My links are false? Prove it
Only in your dreams. Glad you called yourself an Unwashed GOY.

Still can't address what I said, I see. Typical for those who just do not want Jewish history discussed, and why it is they're so unpopular for the most part for so many centuries. They began fomenting riots and murders against Da Evul Xians in Rome as early as 41 A.D. under Claudius. They began expelling Da Evul Xians from synagogues earlier than that around the ME, even though at the time the vast majority of Christians were Jews. Then they complain about 'being oppresssed n stuff', when in fact they lived pretty well on the whole. This is just for starters.

Jewish soldiers and Jewish administrators were Muslim allies in the invasions of Spain and Europe, with local Jews opening the gates of the cities to the invaders; Jews administered many of the cities for hundreds of years, living high and crushing the natives to the point that when they finally revolted they wanted to exterminate their Jewish rulers to the last man, woman, and child; Jews had to be rescued by the Christian leadership, not that Jews would ever be grateful for any generosity shown them, as was the case with the Reconquests and the option of leaving in peace or converting, the same deal Muslims got, which was more than generous given the options Muslims and their allies ever offered Christians. Some chose to lie and stay, but it was obvious they weren't serious so they were later expelled as a safety measure, since everybody knew they had supported the Muslim invasions and acted as a fifth column for them. The Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox just don't like their history getting out, is all; they're hard core racists and bigots.

 

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Well, it's a myth that Jews have always been 'horribly oppressed n stuff', that's just their own bullshit they scare their children with these days, about the 'horrors Of Da Evull Xians!!!' They were big supporters of Muslim invasions and regimes, persecuted Chrisiten with glee at every opportunity, which were plentiful given their special status with Muslim leaders as administrators and garrison soldiers, particularly in Spain.

The last two Jewish regimes in what is now Yemen bragged about their killings of some 40,000 Christians, before the Muslim imperialist butcher invasions began to conquer first the ME then India and North Africa. Jews sided with Muslims against Christians everywhere, which is why they were never trusted by anybody else, along with their self-isolation and racist bigotry against pretty much everybody else as well. They don't have much to legitimately snivel about, seeing as most of their problems are self-inflicted, which is usually the case for most everybody else as well. except to lesser extremes than Jewish Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox racism. Lots of tribes and peoples suffered a lot more than Jews ever did over thousands of years. Under Romans, Greeks, and Persians, for instance, Jews were substantially a privileged minority, same in Spain under the Muslims, which is why they had such extensive international trading privileges for so many centuries. They also enjoyed 'Temple State' privileges under Greek and Roman rule, and substantial freedoms under the Persians, and were exempt from forced military service in most cases as well. They only lost that under the Romans with their stupid revolt in A.D. 70 and a later one a couple decades later, a more minor one.

Their later history, after their own 'Enlightenment' type reforms in the late 18th century are a different story; many began devoting their education advantages to reason and the sciences, practically inventing entire new fields of study, like biochemistry. The later Nazi vilification of Jews was particularly bizarre, given it was the Jewish banking establishment that was supporting the Germans in WW I, due to their hatred of the Russians, for obvious reasons, and suffered a lot of consequences for going against Wilson and the British Morgan interests; so where Hitler and those idiots got the idea to babble 'Jewish Money' was out to destroy Germany is a curiosity, mostly due to their being lunatics who didn't really know squat, much like modern 'leftists' and 'revolutionaries' now doing the dirty work in the streets for Wall Street's BLM franchise and funded by some 300 major multi-national banks and corporations.

Blacks hate Jews for a number of reasons, their part in the slave trade, having their own ambulances in the case of NYC blacks, the standard NOI bullshit, and of course Jews and blacks clashed in NYC over the school system, wherein Jews cut their own throats in trying to stick a finger in the WASP establishment's eye over 'civil rights', and ended up getting tossed out of the NYC school system themselves by black racists, which of course is hilarious stuff. One reason they hate Jews:


In "Broken Cities: Liberalism's Urban Legacy" in the March-April 1998 issue of Policy Review: The Journal of American Citizenship, Steven Hayward quotes an infamous New York City welfare commissioner whom The New York Daily News dubs "Come and Get It Ginsburg." The city actually was advertising for people to come on to welfare. What was the logic? It was the logic of the Kerner Commission Report. It was the sense that African-Americans were so damaged that what they needed was not help making it into society, but a respite from society; in effect, they should be pensioned off.


people sometimes argue that this welfare explosion was the price of good intentions. Nonsense. The theorists behind this movement are two people named Piven and Cloward, who are still alive. It's difficult to imagine how they get through the day knowing what they did, but they seem to do it. One's at Columbia University, and other is at City University of New York. Their logic is that, if you expanded the welfare role sufficiently, you would bankrupt the city, force a political crisis, and set people at each other's throats. The idea was that New York was at a median point, so if New York exploded like this, then the rest of the country would have to respond. Well, they succeeded in part. people were at each other's throats, and the city did go bankrupt.


You simply can't add that many people to welfare. This is difficult to imagine, but in1965, New York was not a particularly high-tax place. I don't mean that we were ever low. We taxed all sorts of things that no one else would think of taxing, such as moving vans. But we weren't off the charts. Five years later, however, we were off the charts, and the city's economy was heading straight downhill. That's one disaster, a disaster for which we really haven't fully recovered even today. people talk about the drop in welfare rolls under Mayor Rudolph Giuliani. It's true, but we are back only to 1989 levels.


The second disaster was the creation of the Ocean Hill-Brownsville school district. What ties these two disasters together is the sense that Mayor Lindsay held strongly that rural immigrants with semi-literate pasts, without any skills in an urban economy, had nothing whatsoever in common with earlier immigrants. Now, the argument that blacks were just like immigrants of old was wrong. But the sense that they were completely different from immigrants of old is also wrong. people coming from rural backgrounds without the kinds of academic skills you needed to make it into the economy need to be acculturated.


New York's schools, like those in Washington, D.C., at the time, were integrationist in their ideology, and both were judged highly successful using a contemporary standard. That model was destroyed in the name of a kind of multiculturalism. And what happened at Ocean Hill-Brownsville was a conflict so intense, so vicious, so hostile, over black separatism in the schools that the people in the city were literally at each other's throats.


Let me tell you what happened, and I'll tell you how Jason Epstein, one of the resident geniuses at the New York Review of Books described it. There was broad support in New York for decentralization. Once Tammany Hall was gone, there was no way to access government horizontally. From the 1940s, Ed Costikyan, one of the city's wisemen, was able to build broad support for decentralization. Unfortunately, the first attempt at large-scale decentralization occurred around schooling, and it intersected with the rise of black nationalism. The New York teachers union turned into the kind of time-serving, self-interested bureaucracy people claim it is, but it had not reached that point yet in those days. The teachers union had been active in the civil rights movement and had supported even decentralization.


Despite this, Mayor Lindsay double-crossed the union. He brought in McGeorge Bundy, fresh from Vietnam, even though he knew very little about Vietnam or the Vietnamese. He also knew very little about New York City, eastern New York State, or black Americans. That didn't stop him. Nation-building had failed in Vietnam, but he was determined to make it succeed in eastern New York State. He also was going to impose an essentially black nationalist regime on the schools in New York City through a man named Rhody McCoy, now forgotten even to New Yorkers who follow these things. He ended up as a professor, fittingly enough in the education department of the University of Massachusetts.


Essentially, decentralization got hijacked and, without stretching, it was taken over by thugs. There was a lot of violence; teachers were threatened; blacks and Jews were at each other's throats. It was right after the Six Day War: Jews were feeling newly empowered, and these two groups clashed.


Jason Epstein went to McCoy to tell him that, at that point, the city had two choices, that is, it could restore the teachers to that school district either by "exterminating every black in New York City or by capitulating entirely." Now, neither of those things happened, fortunately, but neither did the schools ever recover. One of the great economic mechanisms of New York, and one of the great civic mechanisms for integrating people into the larger society -- integrating them into the economy -- was destroyed, and it has never been repaired. It's constantly reexamining itself and reshaping itself. It's like Soviet-era agriculture: It's constantly reforming itself, but never succeeding.


So, I would suggest that in New York we actually see the Kerner Commission played out on the ground. In the one case, welfare replaced work for low-income people who were ready to move up the job ladder. In another case, race became the central factor of the curriculum (and the only factor of curriculum in Ocean Hill-Brownsville).


One final point on Mayor Lindsay: His authority to lead the Kerner Commission was due to the fact that his city was the one that had not burned. You will recall that New York City had only minor disturbances that didn't fit the official qualifications the Kerner Commission Report had laid out. Having been there, however, and having been in some of them, it was hard for me to tell the difference. As a personal note, I was in the Newark riots, the Pittsburgh riots, and the more recent Crown Heights and Washington Heights riots, and I was in some riots in New York City in those periods that did not qualify by the Kerner Commission standards but that didn't look very different to me.


I would suggest that part of this reputation is undeserved, but not exactly in that way. It was undeserved in the sense that the measures Mayor Lindsay took to keep the lid on were as destructive -- if not more destructive -- to the city than the riots themselves because they caused financial bankruptcy and the destruction of the school system. That is the legacy of the Kerner Commission in New York City.


-- Fred Siegel is Senior Fellow at the Progressive Policy Institute.

The Kerner Commission Report

This lecture was held at The Heritage Foundation on March 13, 1998. Welcome to our panel discussion on the 30th anniversary of the publication of the Kerner Commission Report.

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Most 'minorities' are far more violently racist than WASPs are, a fact the latter often forget to their own damages.

History of Countries who have killed, expelled and persecuted Jews - Google Search

The Jewish People have persecuted and oppressed Christians? Christians have been persecuting and killing Jews for over 2000 years . They were responsible for slavery? They make up less then 2/10 0f 1 percent of the World Population. Another Moronic Claim
Blame the Killing of 6 Million Jews on the Jews themselves, part of your " Christian Values"

Anti-Semitism of the "Church Fathers"

Rubbish, followed by an assortment of blatantly false strawmen and fake history. Your own historians have been exploding a lot of those myths. And do cite where the Nazis were' Christians'; they weren't, that's just lies that Jewish racists like to peddle and scare their kids with. I've already posted some of that history in the History Forum, complete with sources, and have more I never got around to, so go ahead and damage your credibility by lying about what I said and keep trying to sell those strawmen about the holocaust being 'Christian Values'. You want to trash Catholics, well, fine, but even there you'll be full of shit over 60% of the time. We can find many more Jews than priests selling out to the Nazis and doing their dirty work for them. I'm happy that Patton was ignored, as I wouldn't have shed one drop of blood saving eastern Europe from the Reds, for the record, because of their cooperation with the Nazis. Jews never showed much 'mercy' to their enemies, either, so don't feel you're special enough to criticize others over their bigotry.

My links are lies? The Antisemitism that the Church has been spewing for over 2000 years isn’t true and we’re responsible for the Holocaust?
Tell us why Jews should have “ mercy” to their “ Christian “ Mankind. .

You still can't address what I said, can you? That's because you know you're being dishonest.

I have addressed it with my links. You’re the one who dishonestly denies them. .

lol you never addressed anything I said, your links don't either, they just support you onw strawmen argument, and by selective editing out of Jewish history, naturally; you Jewish racists just don't like for the unwashed goy to air your dirty laundry, is al. Too bad Jewish scholars aren't as committed to racist fictions as you are.

The Hatred that the Christian Community and the “ Church” has had for the Jewish people over 2000 years isn’t true? My links are false? Prove it
Only in your dreams. Glad you called yourself an Unwashed GOY.

Still can't address what I said, I see. Typical for those who just do not want Jewish history discussed, and why it is they're so unpopular for the most part for so many centuries. They began fomenting riots and murders against Da Evul Xians in Rome as early as 41 A.D. under Claudius. They began expelling Da Evul Xians from synagogues earlier than that around the ME, even though at the time the vast majority of Christians were Jews. Then they complain about 'being oppresssed n stuff', when in fact they lived pretty well on the whole. This is just for starters.

Jewish soldiers and Jewish administrators were Muslim allies in the invasions of Spain and Europe, with local Jews opening the gates of the cities to the invaders; Jews administered many of the cities for hundreds of years, living high and crushing the natives to the point that when they finally revolted they wanted to exterminate their Jewish rulers to the last man, woman, and child; Jews had to be rescued by the Christian leadership, not that Jews would ever be grateful for any generosity shown them, as was the case with the Reconquests and the option of leaving in peace or converting, the same deal Muslims got, which was more than generous given the options Muslims and their allies ever offered Christians. Some chose to lie and stay, but it was obvious they weren't serious so they were later expelled as a safety measure, since everybody knew they had supported the Muslim invasions and acted as a fifth column for them. The Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox just don't like their history getting out, is all; they're hard core racists and bigots.

YAWN.,,,, Nothing to back anything up; just empty words. Want to know what bigots are? Look at your Christian History