Billions of Dollars still being wasted on Mars Probes and, back to the Moon missions.This is all insanity!

[daveman]

I think the “Man to the Moon” program was complete madness. “Splendid madness” some will say, but still madness based on a false purpose of recapturing and re-affirming our leadership against the Soviets. A giant P.R. campaign cooked up by Kennedy and serving our MIC in particular.

The proof it was economically absurd Is that all these decades after the final Apollo Mission we still have not returned a man to the moon — not even once. Why would we? After the 1492 “discovery” of America there were constant and repetitive return voyages — for gold, silver, furs, whale oil, for colonial expansion, new crops, and soon the sought after trade with the East. That all came at great risk and cost, but at least made economic sense. It changed the world dramatically, but in doing so of course brought problems like the commercial slavery so necessary for plantation economies.

All the useful offshoots of Apollo would have come anyway, from GPS to faster and smaller computers to cellphone technology. Space exploration today can be done with robots far more cheaply and safely than with men. Granted, some space research is important to humanity as a whole, and we are better able to put men and women into space today. But space programs should serve real economic purposes. Space resources and extraterrestrial objects should be defined as international and not just carved up into national or corporate property. Nor should space be weaponized to help wage war on earth.

How many people did the Soviets put on the Moon?

 

[daveman]

When are we as Americans going to wake up and stop wasting money on these Mars Probes and rovers, and now they are talking about going back to that skyless dead rock the Moon. When are we going to start spending money here on Earth to help humans with , homes, food for the unemployed. Let us stop wasting money on these pie in the sky Mars, and Moon missions.?! Your thoughts.

How many of these do you use in your daily life? According to you, they're a waste of money. Stop using them.

NASA spin-off technologies - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

More broken windows...Those things may well have been invented without man going to the moon.

Economic fallacies don't become factual because you approve of the gubmint program.

*shrug* Don't use them if you think they're a waste.

 

[LuckyDuck]

There are better uses for our space budget than going to Mars. The moon base? Well, there are some benefits to that but they are limited. Launching from the moon with very little gravity can be done for a fraction of what it costs on Earth. Now; Getting what you want to launch to the moon is going to be costly. However, if you use the correct strategy, you can send a few massive loads to the moon and have dozens and dozens of secondary launches from the lesser gravity.

A few things we can dispense with (or at least should):

• It should be a worldwide effort. The nationalistic "it must be an American enterprise" is crazy and costly.
• It should be part of a larger strategy with clearly defined goals. If you want to study comets and asteroids; great... If you want to go to Mars, great. But don't just hit the brakes when you get to the moon and say, "We're done"
• It should be done clearly to further man's presence in Space. Permanent occupation to study long term (I mean like a decade) affects of weightlessness. The lessons learned can be used when we go to Mars--something we don't need to do but unquestionably mankind's timeline is marked by exploration.

You still have to get the spacecrafts built in space, to launch from there and thus, numerous launches must be made from Earth to get what you need up there done.

 

[Oddball]

When are we as Americans going to wake up and stop wasting money on these Mars Probes and rovers, and now they are talking about going back to that skyless dead rock the Moon. When are we going to start spending money here on Earth to help humans with , homes, food for the unemployed. Let us stop wasting money on these pie in the sky Mars, and Moon missions.?! Your thoughts.

How many of these do you use in your daily life? According to you, they're a waste of money. Stop using them.

NASA spin-off technologies - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

More broken windows...Those things may well have been invented without man going to the moon.

Economic fallacies don't become factual because you approve of the gubmint program.

*shrug* Don't use them if you think they're a waste.

You're engaging in the strawman...I never said that they were a waste.

But you are still invoking a variation of the broken window fallacy, presuming that those advances and spin-offs wouldn't have otherwise happened through free enterprise activities unrelated to the moonshot.

 

[airplanemechanic]

When are we as Americans going to wake up and stop wasting money on these Mars Probes and rovers, and now they are talking about going back to that skyless dead rock the Moon. When are we going to start spending money here on Earth to help humans with , homes, food for the unemployed. Let us stop wasting money on these pie in the sky Mars, and Moon missions.?! Your thoughts.

Do you realize all the advances that have come from the space program?

I guess he's too stupid to realize the GPS he uses daily came from this "waste of money" known as the space program.

 

[daveman]

When are we as Americans going to wake up and stop wasting money on these Mars Probes and rovers, and now they are talking about going back to that skyless dead rock the Moon. When are we going to start spending money here on Earth to help humans with , homes, food for the unemployed. Let us stop wasting money on these pie in the sky Mars, and Moon missions.?! Your thoughts.

How many of these do you use in your daily life? According to you, they're a waste of money. Stop using them.

NASA spin-off technologies - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

More broken windows...Those things may well have been invented without man going to the moon.

Economic fallacies don't become factual because you approve of the gubmint program.

*shrug* Don't use them if you think they're a waste.

You're engaging in the strawman...I never said that they were a waste.

But you are still invoking a variation of the broken window fallacy, presuming that those advances and spin-offs wouldn't have otherwise happened through free enterprise activities unrelated to the moonshot.

They may have. But the space program happened, so the spinoffs spun off from it.

And new technologies will come from the continued exploration of space. Guaranteed.

 

[Crepitus]

When are we as Americans going to wake up and stop wasting money on these Mars Probes and rovers, and now they are talking about going back to that skyless dead rock the Moon. When are we going to start spending money here on Earth to help humans with , homes, food for the unemployed. Let us stop wasting money on these pie in the sky Mars, and Moon missions.?! Your thoughts.

Do you realize all the advances that have come from the space program?

I guess he's too stupid to realize the GPS he uses daily came from this "waste of money" known as the space program.

Not to mention whatever device he's posting on.

 

[Oddball]

When are we as Americans going to wake up and stop wasting money on these Mars Probes and rovers, and now they are talking about going back to that skyless dead rock the Moon. When are we going to start spending money here on Earth to help humans with , homes, food for the unemployed. Let us stop wasting money on these pie in the sky Mars, and Moon missions.?! Your thoughts.

How many of these do you use in your daily life? According to you, they're a waste of money. Stop using them.

NASA spin-off technologies - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

More broken windows...Those things may well have been invented without man going to the moon.

Economic fallacies don't become factual because you approve of the gubmint program.

*shrug* Don't use them if you think they're a waste.

You're engaging in the strawman...I never said that they were a waste.

But you are still invoking a variation of the broken window fallacy, presuming that those advances and spin-offs wouldn't have otherwise happened through free enterprise activities unrelated to the moonshot.

They may have. But the space program happened, so the spinoffs spun off from it.

And new technologies will come from the continued exploration of space. Guaranteed.

All that doesn't debunk the broken window fallacy...And you should know that.

 

[daveman]

When are we as Americans going to wake up and stop wasting money on these Mars Probes and rovers, and now they are talking about going back to that skyless dead rock the Moon. When are we going to start spending money here on Earth to help humans with , homes, food for the unemployed. Let us stop wasting money on these pie in the sky Mars, and Moon missions.?! Your thoughts.

How many of these do you use in your daily life? According to you, they're a waste of money. Stop using them.

NASA spin-off technologies - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

More broken windows...Those things may well have been invented without man going to the moon.

Economic fallacies don't become factual because you approve of the gubmint program.

*shrug* Don't use them if you think they're a waste.

You're engaging in the strawman...I never said that they were a waste.

But you are still invoking a variation of the broken window fallacy, presuming that those advances and spin-offs wouldn't have otherwise happened through free enterprise activities unrelated to the moonshot.

They may have. But the space program happened, so the spinoffs spun off from it.

And new technologies will come from the continued exploration of space. Guaranteed.

All that doesn't debunk the broken window fallacy...And you should know that.

It doesn't debunk it because it doesn't apply. The Broken Window fallacy is about inherently destructive acts. Space exploration is not inherently destructive.

 

[james bond]

When are we as Americans going to wake up and stop wasting money on these Mars Probes and rovers, and now they are talking about going back to that skyless dead rock the Moon. When are we going to start spending money here on Earth to help humans with , homes, food for the unemployed. Let us stop wasting money on these pie in the sky Mars, and Moon missions.?! Your thoughts.

It's the science of atheism. Their evolution has to have life pop up somewhere else besides Earth, but God didn't make life outside Earth and Jesus did not die for space aliens. Thus, there are no space aliens in space or on Earth. That's all science fiction.

What is one of the keys for finding planets or moons that we can colonize then? There has to be a magnetic field in order to protect us from solar radiation. I just saved NASA billions, but will those atheist science idiots listen? Nope. Atheists and their scientists are usually wrong.

 

[protectionist]

You're naive if you think space won't eventually become just another battle ground between the different human tribes on Earth. ...

"Become' ? It's never been anything but that, including right here in America, between the blues and the reds.

 

[protectionist]

An asteroid, super nova, gamma ray burst, pandemic, nuclear holocaust, and many other things that could wipe out the human race. Being a one planet species is dangerous and monumentally stupid.

With the earth's 4.54 Billion years of age, and figuring I might live another 40 years, I think we'll be OK..

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

You're naive if you think space won't eventually become just another battle ground between the different human tribes on Earth. ...

"Become' ? It's never been anything but that, including right here in America, between the blues and the reds.

Sure. Space is already weaponized. Everything, from the depths under the sea to the internet to our economies are weaponized.

But the expectation that we can continue to go on as humanity has for millennia slaughtering each other in wars — this is what is hopelessly “naive.”

If humanity survives until we colonize the stars, there will no longer be red and blue states, and probably not even a U.S.A — just a United States of Earth.

Keeping our present partisan and tribalist and nationalist obsessions means ... we probably won’t even make it out of this century.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

An asteroid, super nova, gamma ray burst, pandemic, nuclear holocaust, and many other things that could wipe out the human race. Being a one planet species is dangerous and monumentally stupid.

With the earth's 4.54 Billion years of age, and figuring I might live another 40 years, I think we'll be OK..

And many times during that 4.54 Billion years there have been several mass extinctions.

 

[james bond]

With the earth's 4.54 Billion years of age,

Earth cannot last that long. I don't know what you think Earth is made of, but it's hardly indestructible. People believe it if it has science in it even though it could be way wrong. It is fake science. They just believe the so called atheist scientists experts. What a crock! The only reason why it is supposed to be that old is because evolution takes such a long time to happen in order so no one can even demonstrate it. Long time and age of Earth also can't be best theory when the opposition to it has already been eliminated from peer review.

Just use your common sense people and nothing can last that long in this universe. Many celestial bodies, big and small, get destroyed in one's lifetime. That we can observe.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Earth cannot last that long. I don't know what you think Earth is made of, but it's hardly indestructible.

LOL!

 

[james bond]

Earth cannot last that long. I don't know what you think Earth is made of, but it's hardly indestructible.

LOL!

Earth should be easily able to withstand some CO2 in ppm then. That's some humongous crock there haha.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Earth cannot last that long. I don't know what you think Earth is made of, but it's hardly indestructible.

LOL!

Earth should be easily able to withstand some CO2 in ppm then. That's some humongous crock there haha.

CO2, bring it on!!!

 

[protectionist]

Sure. Space is already weaponized. Everything, from the depths under the sea to the internet to our economies are weaponized.

But the expectation that we can continue to go on as humanity has for millennia slaughtering each other in wars — this is what is hopelessly “naive.”

If humanity survives until we colonize the stars, there will no longer be red and blue states, and probably not even a U.S.A — just a United States of Earth.

Keeping our present partisan and tribalist and nationalist obsessions means ... we probably won’t even make it out of this century.

Oh so you think it behooves us to abolish our nationalism, and embrace the INTERnationatist globalism of the left ? And how does that work ? The first element of nationalism ie a NATION >> ( a stable, historically developed community of people, with a territory, economic life, distinctive culture, and language in common.), is LANGUAGE. So we shouldn't keep our language ? Or our Constitution and laws ? How about our AMERICAN musical forms (Blues, jazz, bluegrass, country, rock) We shouldn't be "Keeping" them either ?

A multicultural community is NOT A NATION. It has no distinctive language or culture. It's a disorganized, non-functional mish-mash. Just try getting in a taxi in New York City, where the cab driver can't speak English. Have fun when you wind up in Connecticutt.

And there is nothing to say that is we earthlings colonized another planet, that things would be any different there than they are here.

 

[protectionist]

And many times during that 4.54 Billion years there have been several mass extinctions.

But there never has been a mass extinction of "the human race" (your words, not mine).