Bill Shorten confronted by Anglican rector over gay marriage comments

[barryqwalsh]

Rector Ian Powell, from a Canberra Anglican church, took the opportunity to raise concerns about Labor's approach.

"You described people who weren't in favour of changing the definition of marriage as 'haters who come out from under rock'. Can I ask you not to speak like that?" he said.

Mr Shorten said he was not being quoted accurately and did not want to be hectored.

"People of faith can be opposed to marriage equality, but some people who object to marriage equality do have homophobic attitudes," he said.


Bill Shorten confronted by Anglican rector over gay marriage comments - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

 

[Andylusion]

Rector Ian Powell, from a Canberra Anglican church, took the opportunity to raise concerns about Labor's approach.

"You described people who weren't in favour of changing the definition of marriage as 'haters who come out from under rock'. Can I ask you not to speak like that?" he said.

Mr Shorten said he was not being quoted accurately and did not want to be hectored.

"People of faith can be opposed to marriage equality, but some people who object to marriage equality do have homophobic attitudes," he said.


Bill Shorten confronted by Anglican rector over gay marriage comments - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

I'm always confused by people like this, especially religious people, who confront others.

You know he hates you. He made it clear. Why do you want him to "not speak like that"? He hates you. You know that's his opinion, whether he "speaks like that" or not.

Just openly say "We do not support this anti-Christian idiot", and be done with it.

 

[Blackrook]

The same-sex marriage issue has been a wakeup call for many Christians. We can no longer ignore the reality that Western society is no longer a Christian society. This has been true for at least 50 years, but now it's so obvious that even the most oblivious Christian can't ignore it.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Rector Ian Powell, from a Canberra Anglican church, took the opportunity to raise concerns about Labor's approach.

"You described people who weren't in favour of changing the definition of marriage as 'haters who come out from under rock'. Can I ask you not to speak like that?" he said.

Mr Shorten said he was not being quoted accurately and did not want to be hectored.

"People of faith can be opposed to marriage equality, but some people who object to marriage equality do have homophobic attitudes," he said.


Bill Shorten confronted by Anglican rector over gay marriage comments - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

I'm always confused by people like this, especially religious people, who confront others.

You know he hates you. He made it clear. Why do you want him to "not speak like that"? He hates you. You know that's his opinion, whether he "speaks like that" or not.

Just openly say "We do not support this anti-Christian idiot", and be done with it.

Nothing wrong with a good Christian. The problem is that the bad ones, like Rectal Powell, are the most vocal.

 

[Steven_R]

God hates gays and so should we.

But God also hate people who eat shellfish and wear cotton-poly blends and work on the Sabbath. Where's the hatred for those sinners? Why just for fags and chicks who like to fuck and get knocked up? Who are we to pick and choose which people we can and can't legitimately hate because God said so?

 

[Blackrook]

Christians lost the war in 1930:

Few realize that up until 1930, all Protestant denominations agreed with the Catholic Church’s teaching condemning contraception as sinful. At its 1930 Lambeth Conference, the Anglican church, swayed by growing social pressure, announced that contraception would be allowed in some circumstances. Soon the Anglican church completely caved in, allowing contraception across the board. Since then, all other Protestant denominations have followed suit. Today, the Catholic Church alone proclaims the historic Christian position on contraception.

Birth Control | Catholic Answers

The string of defeats that followed were inevitable: a loosening/relaxing of rules against fornication, divorce, abortion, adultery, out-of-wedlock birth and finally, homosexuality and same-sex marriage.

But the war was lost in 1930 with the Lambeth decision.

 

[Andylusion]

Christians lost the war in 1930:

Few realize that up until 1930, all Protestant denominations agreed with the Catholic Church’s teaching condemning contraception as sinful. At its 1930 Lambeth Conference, the Anglican church, swayed by growing social pressure, announced that contraception would be allowed in some circumstances. Soon the Anglican church completely caved in, allowing contraception across the board. Since then, all other Protestant denominations have followed suit. Today, the Catholic Church alone proclaims the historic Christian position on contraception.

Birth Control | Catholic Answers

The string of defeats that followed were inevitable: a loosening/relaxing of rules against fornication, divorce, abortion, adultery, out-of-wedlock birth and finally, homosexuality and same-sex marriage.

But the war was lost in 1930 with the Lambeth decision.

I've always been amused by this. So you think that because such-and-such church changed position on something, that it matters in the long run?

When you say "defeat" who is defeated? Who 'won'?

Here's the problem with this.... Everyone, everywhere, is going to answer to G-d for their actions in this life. All people, everywhere. You are going to answer to the Lord, for your actions, whether some church says it's ok, or not.

So anytime some church somewhere, says something dumb, and everyone says "we won!".... no.... no you did nothing. Nothing. G-d didn't change. Only humans change. Passing vote, or changing some rule at some church, doesn't change G-d. Don't be silly.