Big Lie Two Is Here, and It’s Far More Insidious Than Big Lie One

[Lesh]

"Democrats are Marxists!"

"Democrats are Fascists!"

"Democrats are Communists!"

Republicans have become the Party of the Absurd

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Big Lie Two Is Here, and It’s Far More Insidious Than Big Lie One​

The New Republic

Founded in 1914, The New Republic is a media organization dedicated to addressing today’s most critical issues.

newrepublic.com

11 Sep 2023 ~~ By Michael Tomasky

The Big Lie, as it quickly became known, was that Donald Trump actually won the 2020 election. He’s still out there peddling this nonsense, and a lot of people still believe it, though thankfully, they constitute a clear minority of voters.
But now there’s a new lie being peddled. Call it Big Lie Two. Trump has been hawking this one for a while too, but it has been, to my mind, oddly little remarked-upon. That needs to change: Big Lie Two is more insidious and dangerous than Big Lie One, for two reasons. First, it has nothing to do with the settled past, but rather with the unsettled present and future. And second, unlike Big Lie One, a majority of Americans believe it.
The lie is that the indictments against Trump represent a collective effort to stop him from running for president. Trump talks of this all the time; “election interference” is the phrase he often uses. They can’t stop me legitimately, he says—they know I won in 2020, and they know I’ll win again, so this is how they’re trying to block me.
It’s not true. What’s true is this. Credible evidence has emerged on a number of fronts that Trump may have broken the law: that he absconded with boxes of sensitive, classified documents to Florida; that he approved a hush-money payment to a woman with whom he’d had sexual relations; that he tried to influence officials in Georgia to rig the 2020 election; and that he led or directed an insurrection against the government of the United States.
~snip~
We’ll see what we see. But for now, it’s tragic from a democratic perspective that so many people believe something that isn’t merely untrue but is the opposite of the truth. Trump is being prosecuted because of what he did, not because of what he is doing today or might do tomorrow.
The full Orwell quote, by the way, is: “To see what is in front of one’s nose needs a constant struggle.” It comes from a 1946 essay ruminating over the problem of “plain, unmistakable facts being shirked by people who in another part of their mind are aware to those facts.” If people can’t see this utterly lawless man for who he is, or if they allow their cynicism about the system to overpower their distrust of him, then we will wake up next November 6 counting our brittle democracy’s numbered days.


Commentary:
Big lie number 2 is that all these court cases are election interference. The author needs to read EO 13848. And maybe he’ll get an idea of what’s Happening here.
In the social media, there is still a very concerted effort to attack Trump and turn people against him. Yesterday, I found a question in the French language section of Quora which asked why do so many people still support Trump despite the many indictments against him? I answered that it’s because his supporters don’t think he is guilty of anything and that they view him as a victim of political persecution similar to what happens in Russia, China, Cuba, North Korea and Venezuela.
Just a note... this is coming from a Leftist and media source strongly biased toward Progressive Socialist causes through election and/or political affiliation.
According to the author Tomasky, Trump is guilty before trial, a good indication that he`s in favor of Marxist sham trials.
Which, as any Georgia resident knows, is an impossibility in Fulton County. If the venue is changed to any county with a fair minded and independent population, the case falls apart, due to its lack of merit.

The continuing saga of "The Old White Man Beat The Old White Lady Out of Her Turn."

 

[Chillicothe]

Those late night behind closed door ballot counts defy science, analytics, election day observations and historical norms...wait for it...ONLY in the handful of swing states needed to steal the election.

So, good poster BLegend, seeing that poor poster Mikeenormous couldn't or wouldn't answer serious inquiries about the serious charges he made......well, let's see if you have more the gravitas that MikeE. evidently does not.

Same queries to your charges in the pulled-quote above:

That sounds awful, Blue Legend.
How are you coming with your proof that those cases had illegal ballots in 'em? Or even ballots? Or that they were counted for effect to the total?

Was it reported? In whichever state it occurred in? What was the result of that reporting? What state or precinct did that happen in?

Have you personally done anything to bring this observation of yours to the attention of authorities? ....the DOJ, the FBI, your local state elections officials, even your county's or precinct authorities?

How did your conversations with authorities go?

 

[Chillicothe]

And as a emoji-comment on the above queries to Mikeenormous and just above to Blues Legend.....the poster Doc7505 tags both enquiries as "Fake News". As if my avatar is lying with his queries. Or being insincere.

Poster Doc7505 is wrong.
My queries are not 'fake'.
They real.
They are sincere.

If posters allege ----as Blues Legend and Mikeenourmous have-----that improprieties, illegalities, have occurred then it is right and proper to ask for more details, to expect more details to back up such allegations so that observers can judge the merit of the charges, and the veracity of the one making such charges.

To date, neither Mikenourmous or Blues Legend has responded to the queries.
And poster Doc7505 is seemingly offering them a way to sidestep their responsibility.

 

[BluesLegend]

So, good poster BLegend, seeing that poor poster Mikeenormous couldn't or wouldn't answer serious inquiries about the serious charges he made......well, let's see if you have more the gravitas that MikeE. evidently does not.

Same queries to your charges in the pulled-quote above:

That sounds awful, Blue Legend.
How are you coming with your proof that those cases had illegal ballots in 'em? Or even ballots? Or that they were counted for effect to the total?

Was it reported? In whichever state it occurred in? What was the result of that reporting? What state or precinct did that happen in?

Have you personally done anything to bring this observation of yours to the attention of authorities? ....the DOJ, the FBI, your local state elections officials, even your county's or precinct authorities?

How did your conversations with authorities go?

Your premise assumes Democrats made it easy to gather the direct evidence and prove it in court. What we know is that actual election day observations and weird anomalies in swing districts that bucked the historical norms are strong proof of Dem shenanigans. Strong enough to prove it in court, that's a bigger challenge. Dems didn't make that easy, obviously.

The Federal Government's own expert on election fraud weighed in. This guy is paid to monitor elections in other countries for evidence of fraud. He stated that there are 7 indicators of election fraud. Only 3 are required to strongly suggest fraud took place. He observed all 7 during the 2020 election. Feel free to refute government's own expert.

 

[Chillicothe]

What we know is that actual election day observations and weird anomalies in swing districts that bucked the historical norms are strong proof of Dem shenanigans."

Anomalies?
There could be anomalies?
Who knew?

With over 155,000,000 citizens voting in 177,000 precincts, individually controlled by each of the 50 states, 5 major territories, a federal district, with overseas military, uniform and civilian, across a minimum of 6 times zones (13 states have 2 time zones), being assisted at the polls by approximately 1,000,000 part-time poll workers........and you hissyfit because there might be 'anomalies'?

HINT: There are ALWAYS gonna be anomalies when you have such a huge national endeavor with so many people and moving parts occurring in a short time-sensitive window of opportunity.

Because there are so-called anomalies means nothing unless one can vet the claim with proofs. You haven't. Rudy Giuliani didn't. Don Trump didn't.

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"The Federal Government's own expert on election fraud weighed in. This guy is paid to monitor elections in other countries for evidence of fraud. He stated that there are 7 indicators of election fraud. Only 3 are required to strongly suggest fraud took place. He observed all 7 during the 2020 election."

Ummm, who is this "Federal Government" expert? And where can the forum read his work? Let's compare his work to others who have gone public with their findings.
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Like Don Trump's own Department of Homeland Security, led by his own handpicked leader, stated:

• "The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history. Right now, across the country, election officials are reviewing and double-checking the entire election process prior to finalizing the result,” the coordinating bodies on election infrastructure and security said in a joint statement issued by the Department of Homeland Security’s Cybersecurity & Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA).
  The statement directly contradicts President Donald Trump"
• Like Don Trumps own handpicked Attorney General who stated..."Disputing President Donald Trump’s persistent, baseless claims, Attorney General William Barr declared Tuesday the U.S. Justice Department has uncovered no evidence of widespread voter fraud that could change the outcome of the 2020 election."
• The much vaunted Cyber Ninja's spent $9,000,000 looking for fraud in Arizona......they only found MORE votes for Joe Biden.
• Or go to the findings of a Republican Senate commission in Michigan found that it was a good election: "Michigan Republicans Debunk Voter Fraud Claims in Unsparing Report The report, produced by a G.O.P.-led committee in the State Senate, exposes false claims made about the 2020 election by Trump allies in Michigan and other states."

We could go on an on.

But to save time I would refer the good poster, Blues Legend to google up Georgia's Gabriel Sterling's comments on alleged voter fraud in that state. Google up Benjamin Ginsberg's testimony on the 3rd day of the January 6th Commission.

In my humble opinion, and with no desire to be disrespectful towards any poster, faction, or partisan member.......but it is my belief that those who traffic in this 'stolen election' claim, are.......are, well are fools, naifs, deluded nincompoop blinded by their cultism for Don Trump, and just plain silly people one cannot take seriously as competent adults.

Other than that, I am sure some of them are fine people.

 

[Dagosa]

Big Lie Two Is Here, and It’s Far More Insidious Than Big Lie One​

The New Republic

Founded in 1914, The New Republic is a media organization dedicated to addressing today’s most critical issues.

newrepublic.com

11 Sep 2023 ~~ By Michael Tomasky

The Big Lie, as it quickly became known, was that Donald Trump actually won the 2020 election. He’s still out there peddling this nonsense, and a lot of people still believe it, though thankfully, they constitute a clear minority of voters.
But now there’s a new lie being peddled. Call it Big Lie Two. Trump has been hawking this one for a while too, but it has been, to my mind, oddly little remarked-upon. That needs to change: Big Lie Two is more insidious and dangerous than Big Lie One, for two reasons. First, it has nothing to do with the settled past, but rather with the unsettled present and future. And second, unlike Big Lie One, a majority of Americans believe it.
The lie is that the indictments against Trump represent a collective effort to stop him from running for president. Trump talks of this all the time; “election interference” is the phrase he often uses. They can’t stop me legitimately, he says—they know I won in 2020, and they know I’ll win again, so this is how they’re trying to block me.
It’s not true. What’s true is this. Credible evidence has emerged on a number of fronts that Trump may have broken the law: that he absconded with boxes of sensitive, classified documents to Florida; that he approved a hush-money payment to a woman with whom he’d had sexual relations; that he tried to influence officials in Georgia to rig the 2020 election; and that he led or directed an insurrection against the government of the United States.
~snip~
We’ll see what we see. But for now, it’s tragic from a democratic perspective that so many people believe something that isn’t merely untrue but is the opposite of the truth. Trump is being prosecuted because of what he did, not because of what he is doing today or might do tomorrow.
The full Orwell quote, by the way, is: “To see what is in front of one’s nose needs a constant struggle.” It comes from a 1946 essay ruminating over the problem of “plain, unmistakable facts being shirked by people who in another part of their mind are aware to those facts.” If people can’t see this utterly lawless man for who he is, or if they allow their cynicism about the system to overpower their distrust of him, then we will wake up next November 6 counting our brittle democracy’s numbered days.


Commentary:
Big lie number 2 is that all these court cases are election interference. The author needs to read EO 13848. And maybe he’ll get an idea of what’s Happening here.
In the social media, there is still a very concerted effort to attack Trump and turn people against him. Yesterday, I found a question in the French language section of Quora which asked why do so many people still support Trump despite the many indictments against him? I answered that it’s because his supporters don’t think he is guilty of anything and that they view him as a victim of political persecution similar to what happens in Russia, China, Cuba, North Korea and Venezuela.
Just a note... this is coming from a Leftist and media source strongly biased toward Progressive Socialist causes through election and/or political affiliation.
According to the author Tomasky, Trump is guilty before trial, a good indication that he`s in favor of Marxist sham trials.
Which, as any Georgia resident knows, is an impossibility in Fulton County. If the venue is changed to any county with a fair minded and independent population, the case falls apart, due to its lack of merit.

Yup. Trump is a cornered animal who’s only hope to stay out of jail, is to be president.