Zone1 This is why merit should outrank “blackness” and “gayness” for new hire

[Hector12]

They invented
Toads, locusts, and bloody rivers
Parted seas and bread falling out of the sky
A box that destroyed all their enemies then mysteriously stopped working...

What makes you think ANY part of Exodus is true?

I already did. Another bit of evidence is that the oldest known mention of Yahweh is found in Egypt.

 

[Hector12]

Which Pharoah was this? Nobody knows. When did this happen? Nobody knows that, either!

Ramses II is usually considered to be the pharaoh who interacted with Moses. He reigned from 1279 to 1213.

 

[Invisibleflash]

First, I’m not saying that blacks and/or gays are never the best qualified, but statistics show they are not likely to be In the vast majority of cases.

But when you’ve hired someone for blackness or gayness, despite their obvious incompetence for the job, it becomes near impossible to get rid of them. They are a “protected” class, and thus you are stuck with complete failures.

Karime Jean Pierre is a prime example. She can’t answer questions or think on her feet - and continues to read answers from her book. But because she is a Democrat trifecta - blackness, gayness, and immigrantness - she can’t be fired.

We need to prioritize merit over all over factors.

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Why do you even have to have this debate?
There is only one gauge...merit.
End of discussion...

...unless the person is a filthy commie dem.

 

[Foxfyre]

NASA was 89% White Folks from 1961 -71 ( Truth over Facts : Joe Biden

Which doesn't get much more equitable than that as roughly 90% of Americans were white non Hispanic in 1970.

 

[Dadoalex]

I never said that.

(Why do leftists attribute remarks to their enemies that were never said?)

That was EXACTLY what you said.

What is it with MAGATS that they don't even understand the crap pushing between their lips.?

 

[Dadoalex]

The swing states are all polling for Trump.

same data, same flaw.

 

[Dadoalex]

I already did. Another bit of evidence is that the oldest known mention of Yahweh is found in Egypt.

Which means...Oh, THAT's RIGHT...NOTHING

 

[Lisa558]

To be fair, 'whiteness' had absolutely nothing to do with that. People with math, engineering, astrophysics and such degrees and competence in using the information put us on the moon and brought us back. And there were several black people who were brilliant in math and the relatively primitive computers of that time involved in the process.

Again the the black person who strives for education and excellence in what he/she does can compete with anybody. And just like everybody else they merit anything they get.

To IM2 who says white people don't merit anything, my husband and I started out pretty much with absolutely nothing. Everything we had was bought on credit. No savings. Almost no help from our parents. We lived paycheck to paycheck for some time, occasionally if we had unusual expenses we had to hock something to get to the end of the week. There was no government welfare and we didn't expect the government or anybody else to help us.

But we worked, gained references, experience, skills and despite occasional setback improved our situation considerably. We managed to make a pretty darn good life for ourselves and our kids, live a comfortable life, and managed to be able to give something to charity along the way. And you can be damn sure we worked for and earned it. Nobody gave it to us.

In 1964--60 YEARS AGO-The civil right act did away with the last of the stupid Jim Crow laws and legal/institutional racism and all people now have the same opportunity to start with nothing and work and MERIT a good life. Those willing to do that, despite skin color or ethnicity etc., can compete with anybody even with high standards in place.

The government short circuits appreciation for competence, capability, excellence however when it makes that skin color or gender or sexual/gender orientation the most important criteria in hiring and/or lowers standards/gives preference to the less capable, qualified, and/or motivated.

Then you have people like KJP in jobs they are in no way competent or qualified to do. And all that accomplishes other than diminished efficiency and competence is to make others wonder if other black people didn't get their jobs/positions due to their skin color rather than merit and to further negative impressions of black/female/gay people.

I really must tell you that you are an excellent contributor to this forum. I always enjoy your posts. Now, that said….

My parents‘ start was even harder than yours, and yet they ultimately joined the upper-middle class - and nothing was given to them because of “whiteness,” either. They were children of impoverished (legal) immigrants who fled Jewish persecution in Russia and Europe, living in walk-up cold-water tenements, with watered down chicken soup for supper.

Yet, they made the sacrifices, studied hard, did not take a CENT of “Relief” - and all (their siblings, too) got into tuition-free but very competitive colleges. Interestingly, they did this during the backdrop of Naziism, while antisemites killed their families.

They earned what they achieved. Also, which will be a shocker to IM2 who always likes to say that blacks got nothing, there were plenty of blacks in their colleges! (Also, tuition-free for them as well.) My dad was on the track team, and I see photos of his yearbook - most of the track team were black students.

Blacks who insist that poor whites who have achieved a life of affluence because everything was “given” to them not only discredit the wise choices, good values, discipline, and ability it took to get there, but also creates bitterness and resentment among blacks toward whites, or even a “what’s the use?” attitude - and that ultimately makes it harder for them to succeed in life, which they then blame whites for. A vicious cycle, but easily broken by:

1. Finishing high school
2. Taking a Pell-Grant paid vocational program, at a minimum
3. Refraining from having babies before marriage

 

[Foxfyre]

I really must tell you that you are an excellent contributor to this forum. I always enjoy your posts. Now, that said….

My parents‘ start was even harder than yours, and yet they ultimately joined the upper-middle class - and nothing was given to them because of “whiteness,” either. They were children of impoverished (legal) immigrants who fled Jewish persecution in Russia and Europe, living in walk-up cold-water tenements, with watered down chicken soup for supper.

Yet, they made the sacrifices, studied hard, did not take a CENT of “Relief” - and all (their siblings, too) got into tuition-free but very competitive colleges. Interestingly, they did this during the backdrop of Naziism, while antisemites killed their families.

They earned what they achieved. Also, which will be a shocker to IM2 who always likes to say that blacks got nothing, there were plenty of blacks in their colleges! (Also, tuition-free for them as well.) My dad was on the track team, and I see photos of his yearbook - most of the track team were black students.

Blacks who insist that poor whites who have achieved a life of affluence because everything was “given” to them not only discredit the wise choices, good values, discipline, and ability it took to get there, but also creates bitterness and resentment among blacks toward whites, or even a “what’s the use?” attitude - and that ultimately makes it harder for them to succeed in life, which they then blame whites for. A vicious cycle, but easily broken by:

1. Finishing high school
2. Taking a Pell-Grant paid vocational program, at a minimum
3. Refraining from having babies before marriage

Thank you Lisa. I am honored and humbled. And you offered a great lesson in how a great America offers everybody, even the poorest of the poor and those dealt the worst of hands, opportunity to better their circumstances if they are sufficiently motivated to put in the time, effort, discipline, work to do that.

Telling them they are oppressed, disadvantaged, persecuted, mistreated, victims with no chance for much of anything unless the government gives them special advantage and/or restitution is a great recipe to keep people ignorant and at the bottom.

 

[Lisa558]

Thank you Lisa. I am honored and humbled. And you offered a great lesson in how a great America offers everybody, even the poorest of the poor and those dealt the worst of hands, opportunity to better their circumstances if they are sufficiently motivated to put in the time, effort, discipline, work to do that.

Telling them they are oppressed, disadvantaged, persecuted, mistreated, victims with no chance for much of anything unless the government gives them special advantage and/or restitution is a great recipe to keep people ignorant and at the bottom.

Absolutely. What good does it do, for example, to “graduate” students from the Baltimore high schools, NONE of whom scored proficient on math and a minuscule number proficient in English, when they are functionally illiterate, cannot do basic arithmetic, have no marketable skills - but come out with an angry chip on their shoulder and the FALSE notion that they had the misfortune to be born in America?

They should instead be grateful for the opportunities available here that would enable anyone who has the drive, ability, and attitude to, at the minimum, move from poverty to the lower-middle class. I grew up with stories from my dad (RIP, Dad) about how blessed he felt to have been born here - DESPITE some pretty awful antisemitism he experienced.

Did he cry and wail because they weren’t hiring bright Jewish boys who just graduated from college In his antisemitic city? Nope. He uprooted himself and moved from home at age 22 to DC, because he learned that the U.S. Government was willing to hire Jews, and rented a room in the basement of someone’s rowhouse.

It’s all about appreciation for what this country offers, rather than on how evil it is - now being taught by liberals.

 

[Failzero]

Which doesn't get much more equitable than that as roughly 90% of Americans were white non Hispanic in 1970.

If you leave out Asian & Pacific Islander and Native Americans you get that 90%

 

[Foxfyre]

If you leave out Asian & Pacific Islander and Native Americans you get that 90%

You actually leave out everybody who is not white non Hispanic to get that 90%.

American demographics were very different in 1970. And there were 130+ million fewer people in the USA in 1970 than there are now.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Alexander got his ass whipped by African Hannibal whose military maneuvers are studied today in places like West Point and Annapolis.

You are showing your abysmal ignorance. Alexander the Great died in 323 bce. Hannibal Barca wasn’t even born until 247 bce SEVENTY SIX YEARS LATER. And Hannibal wasn’t African, he was Tunisian. Grow up; imaginary history isn’t history as much as you want it to be.

 

[Failzero]

You actually leave out everybody who is not white non Hispanic to get that 90%.

No just African American and Non White Hispanic / Mestizo

 

[IM2]

But what is your point ?

Is it that as a group you are so near to bottom of IQ by ethnicity? And you are bleating ?

Perhaps like the Jews you must accept that you are not the Chosen Ones . Just a team in the race helping to make up numbers .

So do your best but stop whining .

My point is that everything you say is BS. IQ tests don't prove intelligence, so you can stop trying that one. Whites have nothing based on merit. They have whatthey do because they excluded others from opportunities theygave only to themselves. If you have to compete, you lose. Whites are 5 percent of the world population, so if anybody is helping to make up the numbers, it's you.

 

[Foxfyre]

No just African American and Non White Hispanic / Mestizo

I have no idea what you mean. I looked at the 1970 census.

 

[Failzero]

My point is that everything you say is BS. IQ tests don't prove intelligence, so you can stop trying that one. Whites have nothing based on merit. They have whatthey do because they excluded others from opportunities theygave only to themselves. If you have to compete, you lose. Whites are 5 percent of the world population, so if anybody is helping to make up the numbers, it's you.

Numbers like 80% of American Combat Deaths in WW2 were White Males , 90% in WW1

 

[AZrailwhale]

Oh, are you saying words are bad now?

I think I'd rather have someone call me a bad name than someone bomb a school my kids were going to and bury them in rubble.




I signed up for the US military in 1981 without being drafted. That's what you do when you love your country.

So why did all those WOMEN protest the Vietnam War? They weren't going to be drafted. Neither were most of the kids who were going to college.

If you were only protesting Vietnam because you were too much of a coward to serve your country, that's on you. (Not that I think you are actually that old.)

Yeah peacetime enlistment to get GI benefits. Recruiters loved people like you.

 

[IM2]

Numbers like 80% of American Combat Deaths in WW2 were White Males , 90% in WW1

Again, do not brag about things when whites excluded others.

 

[Failzero]

Again, do not brag about things when whites excluded others.

Do not brag about saving the World from Communism Socialism Fascism and Imperialism