"Biden's documents are different from Trump's documents"

[Faun]

Did he have the right to them? He wasn't POTUS so he couldn't declassify them, so what justification is there for him to have them after he leaves office?

There is none. But it seems when this happens, if the party involved cooperates and turns over all related documents, the government doesn't pursue criminal charges.

 

[Marener]

You offer what if
Deflection defeated.
We are dealing with the what IS of Biden having the documents and not the what if of your feelings Trump was Obligated to handle the subpoenas differently.

Fact remains that the circumstances are drastically different. Therefore, no comparison is possible by your own assertion.

 

[Faun]

You don't know that.

That's what is being reported. Same way you know what you know about this.

 

[Faun]

Did he have the right to have them in his possession after he left office? That's the question you need to answer, one way or the other. Then you need to revisit TRUMP!. If it was wrong for him to have such documents, it's wrong for Quid Pro to have them, and you should condemn him for having them. If it is right for Quid Pro to have them, then it's right for TRUMP! to have them as well. That's the way this works.

What legal trouble was Trump in on January 21st, 2022?

 

[hadit]

Had Trump given back the classified documents as soon as it was discovered, no one would have cared. Biden did. Trump didn't.

That's not providing cover. That's just an obvious fact.

The fact that classified documents were taken out of secured storage and went home with a politician doesn't even bother you? Sounds awfully convenient, like you placed the bar where you think you can condemn TRUMP! while letting Quid Pro off the hook.

I'll let you in on a little secret. Only in your fantasy world would no one have cared if TRUMP! had just said, "Oopsie, I grabbed the wrong box of papers. Here, you can have them back". No, the rabid usual suspects would still have been screaming for blood, demanding that the FBI raid his home anyway so they could go through Melania's panty drawer and that TRUMP! should be hanged at dawn for even having them.

Question: What legitimate purpose was served by Quid Pro having those documents?

 

[hadit]

What legal trouble was Trump in on January 21st, 2022?

Did either TRUMP! or Quid Pro have the right to take classified documents from secure storage after they no longer were in office? All the other nonsense is a smoke screen.

 

[hadit]

What evidence exists to support that Biden had intentionally taken anything? None.

If that is true, then someone is very, very lax in protecting classified documents. Think of it, they're gone for years and no one knows where they are? And we're supposed to just go, "Meh"? And how out of it is Quid Pro that he literally takes such documents and doesn't know it? Isn't he in charge of what he takes from his office?

 

[BS Filter]

You do!

Trump never challenged the grand jury subpoena.

Be specific.

 

[marvin martian]

What evidence exists to support that Biden had intentionally taken anything? None.

Now you're just being embarrassing. If he didn't know about this, we have an even bigger problem that absolutely needs an immediate investigation because there's a spy in the administration.

 

[hadit]

There is none. But it seems when this happens, if the party involved cooperates and turns over all related documents, the government doesn't pursue criminal charges.

And therein lies a problem. Would an army grunt be so treated if a highly classified document got accidentally stuck in his bag without his knowledge when he was discharged, only to discover it years later?

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Bye bye we gotem’ now #273 Mar a lago edition.
Let’s see if the leftists can figure out why.

 

[marvin martian]

That's what is being reported. Same way you know what you know about this.

Link?

 

[Marener]

The fact that classified documents were taken out of secured storage and went home with a politician doesn't even bother you? Sounds awfully convenient, like you placed the bar where you think you can condemn TRUMP! while letting Quid Pro off the hook.

I'll let you in on a little secret. Only in your fantasy world would no one have cared if TRUMP! had just said, "Oopsie, I grabbed the wrong box of papers. Here, you can have them back". No, the rabid usual suspects would still have been screaming for blood, demanding that the FBI raid his home anyway so they could go through Melania's panty drawer and that TRUMP! should be hanged at dawn for even having them.

Question: What legitimate purpose was served by Quid Pro having those documents?

When you describe it in more complete realistic terms, it's much less "convenient" and far more common sense.

We both know that presidents and vice presidents work with loads of classified information throughout their tenure. 10 documents winding up in the wrong place isn't surprising. In fact, it's such a small slight that no one noticed. That's far different than Trump's situation where the quantity of documents was so substantial, that NARA definitely noticed right away and that started the entire process.

And we knew about this long ago. There were stories published revealing this issue back in early 2022, but it barely made a ripple. When the search warranted was executed in August, people were genuinely surprised when they discovered that it related to the classified documents because they thought so little of the issue. This goes to show that it's not a "convenient" standard, but one that history confirms.

 

[hadit]

Now you're just being embarrassing. If he didn't know about this, we have an even bigger problem that absolutely needs an immediate investigation because there's a spy in the administration.

That's my point. They seem to think everything's fine as long as they can absolve Quid Pro of direct responsibility, but they do not take into account what that really means. Quid Pro not knowing he took them is almost as big a problem as if he did know, and the fact that they could be missing for years with no one noticing or doing anything about it strains credulity and casts serious doubt on the way we protect classified information.

 

[Marener]

Be specific.

Be specific about what? Trump had the right to challenge the grand jury subpoena. He never did. There is no court case. No legal argument. No attempt to fight it.

Instead, his lawyers claimed on his behalf that they complied with it totally.

They lied.

 

[hadit]

When you describe it in more complete realistic terms, it's much less "convenient" and far more common sense.

We both know that presidents and vice presidents work with loads of classified information throughout their tenure. 10 documents winding up in the wrong place isn't surprising. In fact, it's such a small slight that no one noticed. That's far different than Trump's situation where the quantity of documents was so substantial, that NARA definitely noticed right away and that started the entire process.

And we knew about this long ago. There were stories published revealing this issue back in early 2022, but it barely made a ripple. When the search warranted was executed in August, people were genuinely surprised when they discovered that it related to the classified documents because they thought so little of the issue. This goes to show that it's not a "convenient" standard, but one that history confirms.

And you don't see a problem with the reality that highly classified documents can go missing for years with no one noticing or caring? That's a problem.

 

[Marener]

Now you're just being embarrassing. If he didn't know about this, we have an even bigger problem that absolutely needs an immediate investigation because there's a spy in the administration.

No one could accuse of you of exercising any common sense.

 

[marvin martian]

No one could accuse of you of exercising any common sense.

That's a pathetic dodge.

 

[Marener]

And you don't see a problem with the reality that highly classified documents can go missing for years with no one noticing or caring? That's a problem.

Given the large quantity of classified information the government goes through, it's hardly surprising. We aren't dealing with nuclear warheads here. These are pieces of paper.

The main crux of the issue with Trump comes from his refusal to comply with the government trying to get the documents back. That issue just doesn't exist with Biden.

 

[Faun]

They are. By people like you. Purposefully. Politically. Hypocritically.

Hypocrite?

Moi?

Post a link to me saying anything differently about Trump when he first turned over 15 boxes to the NARA in January, 2022.

Sadly for you, you just can't stop lying. That's evidence of just how weak & fragile your position is.