Biden Orders Republican AZ Governor Doug Ducey To Open Border And Remove 60 Shipping Containers Filling 4000' Gap In Border Wall

Not to me it doesn't. The of illegals the wall will "prevent" is likely fairly minor compared to other methods. Just a reminder; just a bit over half of illegals in america today are here because they overstayed their visa.


I didn't. I just don't think either party wants to actually end illegal immigration or they would take the steps I have outlined.

I mean look at Repubs. Farmers typically support Republican because Repubs typically support bigger socialist handouts. Even with those handouts, I don't think farmers would take kindly to ICE raids happening in a farm field where they would certainly find several illegals making a paycheck during a Republican presidency.
"Cool-Hand Luke," a Hero to Early Hollywood Leftists, Was Nothing More Admirable Than a Lazy Drifter Who Was Afraid to Grow Up

The rich farmers do that because the race-traitors banned the chain gang. But if they deserved to be called American, they should have protested that instead of committing treason.
 
Of course you think that. That is right wing programming. Nobody could possibly disagree with what Trump wants you to think and not be an enemy. That's why nearly every engagement with a trump supporter ends in ad hominem.
I know it.

Ahhh...ad hominem.

Based on common sense.

Most illegals come here for work. Remove available jobs.

Why hasn't worked so far?

Their are more illegals here because of our failed visa program then those who actually illegally cross the border. Fix it.
Not true. There's no reason we can't do both, aside from Democrats, that is.

You don't think those things would be effective?
We already have a visa programs that tracks people who over stay. Why aren't they deported?

Answer: Democrats.

Straw man. I never proposed doing nothing. That is more right wing programming. If a person doesn't support the wall, they don't want to do anything. OPEN BORDERS!
Yes, effectively you did.

And Trump did nothing but bluster. He promised a wall that Mexico would pay for. Fail.
No one really cared if Mexico paid for it. However he did build some of the wall. That fact is a diversion.


Dems offered him 25 billion for his wall. Trump turned it down.

They voted for Trump cause they care about what he says, not what he does.
That's a lie. They retracted their offer.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrats said on Tuesday they had withdrawn an offer to fund U.S. President Donald Trump’s border wall, as tough negotiations over the future of young illegal immigrants known as “Dreamers” resumed in the Senate.

Repubs don't support oil subsidies? Big oil ain't gonna like that.


Yes. I do want the fed to crack down on employers of illegals. That has nothing to do with farm subsidies.

That's a claim you can't prove. The evidence shows that Democrats do not want anything done about illegals.
 
I don't even know what that means.

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Doesn't a closed border mean that people who are caught illegally crossing are turned away?

What's your definition? Apprehended, given a court date long in the future, and let to relocate anywhere in the country without being tracked?
Open borders. No gates, no guards, no checkpoints anywhere. Just people from outside the US coming and going as they please...like libertarians believe I guess.

Is that not what the term open borders implies?

What do you think open borders means? If I had to take a guess...if you don't support the wall then you support open borders?
 
Open borders. No gates, no guards, no checkpoints anywhere. Just people from outside the US coming and going as they please...like libertarians believe I guess.
Not only is the border porous, but this administrations policies are also for open borders, where immigration laws are not enforced, and anyone can illegally cross the border and stay.

Is that not what the term open borders implies?

What do you think open borders means? If I had to take a guess...if you don't support the wall then you support open borders?
A physical barrier (man made or natural) is only part of enforcing the border.

But thanks for answering. I think your answer is respectively, nonsense. You imply that some limited number of checkpoints and guards who are ordered not to accept and not repel invaders means the border is not open.

Regards,
Jim
 
I know it.

And that why people say "cult".

Why hasn't worked so far?

What has what not worked?

Not true. There's no reason we can't do both, aside from Democrats, that is.

So Repubs want to to do both? I don't remember them doing the things I suggested to any appreciable extent.

We already have a visa programs that tracks people who over stay. Why aren't they deported?

Answer: Democrats.

Lol. Democrats are not the sole proprietor of the visa program.

Your bias is showing.

Yes, effectively you did.

So you missed the several posts where I suggested fining the shit out of employers of illegals and overhauling the visa program and using available info to crack down on illegal payers of SS?

No one really cared if Mexico paid for it. However he did build some of the wall. That fact is a diversion.

LOL. yeah. He spent way more money then expected for 500 miles of wall, that has been shown to be easily crossed.

At least some of the elites made some cash selling materials. Probably big campaign doners too.

That's a lie. They retracted their offer.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrats said on Tuesday they had withdrawn an offer to fund U.S. President Donald Trump’s border wall, as tough negotiations over the future of young illegal immigrants known as “Dreamers” resumed in the Senate.

They retracted their offer because Trump would not compromise on DACA. Now we have 25 billion dollars less of a wall and DACA is still here. Trump the great negotiator strikes again!

That's a claim you can't prove. The evidence shows that Democrats do not want anything done about illegals.
Dems offered 25 billion for the wall in exchange for DACA protection. He turned it down.
 
Open borders. No gates, no guards, no checkpoints anywhere. Just people from outside the US coming and going as they please...like libertarians believe I guess.

Is that not what the term open borders implies?

What do you think open borders means? If I had to take a guess...if you don't support the wall then you support open borders?

Over two million illegals don't cross a closed border; 35 of them known terrorists.
 
Over two million illegals don't cross a closed border; 35 of them known terrorists.
Obama had the border under control and after Trump arrived crossings started skyrocketing.

Obviously this disparity must mean that trump was violating the constitution.

"President Trump’s top policy priority was supposedly “border security.” But government data show that he failed to improve it. Border Patrol recorded 41 percent more successful illegal entries in fiscal year 2019 than in 2016 and was on pace for 47 percent more through four months of 2020. As he left office in January, reports indicate that the numbers have reached even greater heights."

 
Obama had the border under control and after Trump arrived crossings started skyrocketing.
Wrong.
Obviously this disparity must mean that trump was violating the constitution.
You mean Biden violated the Constitution, dumbass.

"President Trump’s top policy priority was supposedly “border security.” But government data show that he failed to improve it. Border Patrol recorded 41 percent more successful illegal entries in fiscal year 2019 than in 2016 and was on pace for 47 percent more through four months of 2020. As he left office in January, reports indicate that the numbers have reached even greater heights."

Bullshit.
 
Wrong.

You mean Biden violated the Constitution, dumbass.


Bullshit.
No. I mean trump did. Why did he let the border crossings increase after he took office?

Were you in a political forum in 2017 claiming Trump violated the constitution and had open borders after the huge increase in border crossings under Trump?

Bullshit? What's bullshit? The article? The prevailing logic by Trumpers in this thread is that since crossings went up under Biden then Biden violated the constitution. Why didn't this logic apply to Trump when he took over?
 
Yes I'm sure.

Look at the title of your graph then look at the title of mine.
Color me skeptical of unsourced Cato Institute (for open borders, like you) propaganda.

Got any credible links? Mine were straight from CBP, not activists.

They even admit that some of the data on their chart is widely speculative and based upon huge extrapolation. They don't provide the data in the alleged FOIA response the chart is based upon. It's all made up for all I know. Anyone can create a bogus chart.

I'm skeptical, but willing to be convinced based upon a reliable source.
 
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No. I mean trump did. Why did he let the border crossings increase after he took office?

He didn't, you lying asshole. Furthermore, scumbag leftwing judges were trying to defeat everything he did.

Were you in a political forum in 2017 claiming Trump violated the constitution and had open borders after the huge increase in border crossings under Trump?
That never happened, asshole.

Bullshit? What's bullshit? The article? The prevailing logic by Trumpers in this thread is that since crossings went up under Biden then Biden violated the constitution. Why didn't this logic apply to Trump when he took over?

No, he violated the Constitution by not enforcing our immigration laws. Increased crossings are the result of his failure to followed the Constitution.
 
Obama had the border under control and after Trump arrived crossings started skyrocketing.

Obviously this disparity must mean that trump was violating the constitution.

"President Trump’s top policy priority was supposedly “border security.” But government data show that he failed to improve it. Border Patrol recorded 41 percent more successful illegal entries in fiscal year 2019 than in 2016 and was on pace for 47 percent more through four months of 2020. As he left office in January, reports indicate that the numbers have reached even greater heights."


And I told you why too, even provided links. The Communists fought Trump every step of way and even took him to court on several occasions. But once Trump got through all that the border was never better with crossings dropping by 80 to 90%. You people are so dishonest, I really think you believe your own lies.
 
He didn't, you lying asshole. Furthermore, scumbag leftwing judges were trying to defeat everything he did.


That never happened, asshole.



No, he violated the Constitution by not enforcing our immigration laws. Increased crossings are the result of his failure to followed the Constitution.
Nothing says echo chamber like the rebuttal of "liar".

Don't address the links, just bellow liar and bleet something about the constitution. Typical.
 
And I told you why too, even provided links. The Communists fought Trump every step of way and even took him to court on several occasions.

The Russians?

But once Trump got through all that the border was never better with crossings dropping by 80 to 90%. You people are so dishonest, I really think you believe your own lies.
My link defies your claims. Obama had less "gotaways". Obviously Trump violated the constitution.
 
The Russians?

No, the Democrats. Same thing.

My link defies your claims. Obama had less "gotaways". Obviously Trump violated the constitution.

My links show great improvement in illegal immigration once Trump finally got all his policies in place. The current events in illegal immigration shows that Dementia deliberately reversed those policies to increase the flow of illegals.
 

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