Biden just said he's planning to build trains that travel as fast as commercial jets

[BS Filter]

What is it with libs, trains, and european socialism. They're always romanticizing and fantasizing about this.

They hate America.

 

[jknowgood]

I think the senile old fuck missed a diaper change or something.

Whelp, first off your quote says "close to", not "as fast as". Second, the TGV (Train de Grand Vitesse) in France has been clocked at over 350 mph; and third, airports are always located well outside of cities, which adds all the time, assuming no schedule delays, of commuting to one airport and from the other, the security lines, check-in, waiting for baggage carousels, all of that, resulting in the fact that I could drive from here in the sticks of North Carolina to downtown Nashville in the same time the company's plane ticket would get me there, and that's simply easy car driving and not a TGV. Even a slow train would beat the plane there.

Trains, in contrast to airports, rarely ever fall out of the sky and therefore bring you right to the center of town.

Lol, gonna be a long 4 years for you. Better get a bigger excuse book!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I think the senile old fuck missed a diaper change or something.

Cutting out the two hours you have to wait at the airport gets you a nice head start

Gee, if you walked you'd save even more time!

 

[Pogo]

But what is defined is that "as fast as" is not the same thing as "close to"

I understand that

the headline was inaccurate

but instead of belaboring one tiny little Gotcha I think the larger problem with the goofy idea of « supersonic « trains is far more important

and yes, I know not even libs are promising trains that fast

« supersonic » is just a figure of speech

Actually it's a technical term, meaning "beyond sound".

Yes the headline is inaccurate but that's the starting point of any discussion. A starting point must stand on solid ground, else the discussion has no merit. You can't declare that "subject said X" and proceed to hash out the merits and demerits of X, when the reality is that subject DIDN'T say X. Not to mention the lack of any credible source for what subject actually did say. And finally, neither what the subject actually did say, NOR what the subject is alleged to have said, involved the "cost" of anything. That's a separate question.

 

[Pogo]

I think the senile old fuck missed a diaper change or something.

Whelp, first off your quote says "close to", not "as fast as". Second, the TGV (Train de Grand Vitesse) in France has been clocked at over 350 mph; and third, airports are always located well outside of cities, which adds all the time, assuming no schedule delays, of commuting to one airport and from the other, the security lines, check-in, all of that, resulting in the fact that I could drive from here in the sticks of North Carolina to downtown Nashville in the same time the company's plane ticket would get me there, and that's simply easy car driving and not a TGV.

Train stations, in contrast to airports, rarely ever fall out of the sky and therefore bring you right to the center of town.

So you agree with Biden's assessment that a train can get you "across the country" almost as fast as a commercial jet? Let's hear you say it...

Are YOU saying that a train will NEVER be able to travel as fast as current commercial aircraft? Let's hear you say that bit of stupid.

Nope. Top speeds of a train are 267mph. Commercial airliner is around 570mph. Aint gonna happen.

Top speeds [sic] of which train? I've already posted that the TGV has done over 350. That's not even counting the hyperloop others have posted about which would double that. That hyperloop doesn't exist yet, but the alleged quote, again DOES say "imagine a world where", it does not say "you can do this right now".

Besides which, as I pointed out at the beginning of all this, plane travel involves a fuck of a lot more than just the flying, which adds hours to the trip.

I swear ta god summa y'all seem to have never been on a plane trip at all. Which is fine, but don't sit here and pontificate on something y'all don't understand.

350 mph is a lie, no passenger trains do that with passengers on board. There is no demand for this in the USA except the NE coast, Boston/NYC/Philly/DC.

Funny. there didn't used to be any passenger jets capable of supersonic flight. But then, THERE WERE!

And now there aren’t. They were too expensive to keep flying and had a tendency to crash. If they had government subsidies they would still be here though.

And they're bringing them back

Concorde successor AS2 takes leap forward with vast new Florida HQ

Supersonic travel is one step closer as airplane manufacturer Aerion breaks ground on a new Florida HQ for its 1,000mph AS2 private jet

www.cnn.com

You keep digging up this off topic crap to avoid why you are just dead wrong.

Biden was speaking of the future.
You demand to believe that he was talking about now.

You're confused or just being dishonest.

He might be talking about. . . "the future," but what we have now, are real, practical applications for that NOW, as this is the infrastructure bill. Spending money on unproven tech is reckless. Especially if it is not in demand by the free market.

Joe Biden Says Trains Will Soon Be Almost as Fast as Planes. That's Ridiculous.
Advocates of high-speed rail have been overpromising and underdelivering for decades, but Biden just raised the bar.

Joe Biden Says Trains Will Soon Be Almost as Fast as Planes. That's Ridiculous.

When it comes to his favorite mode of transportation, President Joe Biden apparently has a very active imagination. "What we're…

reason.com

". . . For context, the fastest speed that a train has ever achieved—not while carrying passengers, mind you, but just as an experiment—is 357 mph. Over long distances, while carrying passengers and making stops at stations, the world's speediest train is China's Beijing to Nanjing line, which runs at slightly less than 200 mph.

Meanwhile, the average speed of a commercial jet in the United States is about 500 mph.

That's not even close to being an apples-to-apples comparison. After all, planes carrying passengers used to routinely break the sound barrier (roughly 760 mph, though it varies based on atmospheric conditions), and experimental aircraft have gone far faster. Still, the world's fastest train still finishes a distant second when matched up against an average, boring Boeing 737.

In other words, "close to as fast" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in Biden's prediction about the future of transportation in America.

But the more important point has nothing to do with racing trains against planes. Biden's comments on Wednesday are part of a grand tradition of overpromising the potential of high-speed rail—though he might have set a new record for the widest gap between imagination and reality.. . . "

Video can be seen at this link;

Biden touts trains as fast as planes, supersonic jets in infrastructure push

Biden touts trains as fast as planes, supersonic jets in infrastructure push

President Biden on Wednesday sought to sell his $2.3 trillion infrastructure plan by pulling out some decades-old promises of futuristic technologies like a transcontinental bullet train that&#8217…

nypost.com

In reality? The speech wasn't too bad when he didn't go off script. The right just tore it down, because when he did say dumb shit, like that train comment? It was, well, really out there. It short, it over promises, and under-delivers. It is a recipe for corruption, greed and graft. Just think of all those crumbling empty cities in China.


Like this one, pushing this infrastructure plan by saying, soon, someday, we would be able to fly around the world in an hour? wtf?

". . . I tell the kids — the young people who work for me and to all my kids — when I go on college campuses, they’re going to see more change in the next 10 years than we’ve seen in the last 50 years. We’re going to talk about commercial aircraft flying at subsonic speeds — supersonic speeds. Be able to, figuratively, if you may — if we decided to do it, traverse the world in about an hour, travel 21,000 miles an hour. So much is changing. We have got to lead it. . . ."

Remarks by President Biden on the American Jobs Plan | The White House

South Court Auditorium 2:05 P.M. EDT THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon, everyone. Last weekend, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, I announced my plan

www.whitehouse.gov

The world will note that the link in the post above is the first time --- in post 145 --- that the quote in the OP has been sourced at all. It speaks volumes about the legitimacy of this discussion that it went on for two days without a defined subject.

And I should add, it also speaks volumes about how there walk among us those who seem to believe that Twatter is an actual fact source, and that there are those among them who think that a purported unlinked image of Twatter is as well.

If I used Twatter I could post that I have 156 Lambourghinis idling in my driveway, then post the image of the twat here, and under this logic I should turn around and see 156 Lambourghinis.

Which is also interesting in that yesterday they were all Maseratis. Ain't Twatter great.

 

[MisterBeale]

I think the senile old fuck missed a diaper change or something.

Whelp, first off your quote says "close to", not "as fast as". Second, the TGV (Train de Grand Vitesse) in France has been clocked at over 350 mph; and third, airports are always located well outside of cities, which adds all the time, assuming no schedule delays, of commuting to one airport and from the other, the security lines, check-in, all of that, resulting in the fact that I could drive from here in the sticks of North Carolina to downtown Nashville in the same time the company's plane ticket would get me there, and that's simply easy car driving and not a TGV.

Train stations, in contrast to airports, rarely ever fall out of the sky and therefore bring you right to the center of town.

So you agree with Biden's assessment that a train can get you "across the country" almost as fast as a commercial jet? Let's hear you say it...

Are YOU saying that a train will NEVER be able to travel as fast as current commercial aircraft? Let's hear you say that bit of stupid.

Nope. Top speeds of a train are 267mph. Commercial airliner is around 570mph. Aint gonna happen.

Top speeds [sic] of which train? I've already posted that the TGV has done over 350. That's not even counting the hyperloop others have posted about which would double that. That hyperloop doesn't exist yet, but the alleged quote, again DOES say "imagine a world where", it does not say "you can do this right now".

Besides which, as I pointed out at the beginning of all this, plane travel involves a fuck of a lot more than just the flying, which adds hours to the trip.

I swear ta god summa y'all seem to have never been on a plane trip at all. Which is fine, but don't sit here and pontificate on something y'all don't understand.

350 mph is a lie, no passenger trains do that with passengers on board. There is no demand for this in the USA except the NE coast, Boston/NYC/Philly/DC.

Funny. there didn't used to be any passenger jets capable of supersonic flight. But then, THERE WERE!

And now there aren’t. They were too expensive to keep flying and had a tendency to crash. If they had government subsidies they would still be here though.

And they're bringing them back

Concorde successor AS2 takes leap forward with vast new Florida HQ

Supersonic travel is one step closer as airplane manufacturer Aerion breaks ground on a new Florida HQ for its 1,000mph AS2 private jet

www.cnn.com

You keep digging up this off topic crap to avoid why you are just dead wrong.

Biden was speaking of the future.
You demand to believe that he was talking about now.

You're confused or just being dishonest.

He might be talking about. . . "the future," but what we have now, are real, practical applications for that NOW, as this is the infrastructure bill. Spending money on unproven tech is reckless. Especially if it is not in demand by the free market.

Joe Biden Says Trains Will Soon Be Almost as Fast as Planes. That's Ridiculous.
Advocates of high-speed rail have been overpromising and underdelivering for decades, but Biden just raised the bar.

Joe Biden Says Trains Will Soon Be Almost as Fast as Planes. That's Ridiculous.

When it comes to his favorite mode of transportation, President Joe Biden apparently has a very active imagination. "What we're…

reason.com

". . . For context, the fastest speed that a train has ever achieved—not while carrying passengers, mind you, but just as an experiment—is 357 mph. Over long distances, while carrying passengers and making stops at stations, the world's speediest train is China's Beijing to Nanjing line, which runs at slightly less than 200 mph.

Meanwhile, the average speed of a commercial jet in the United States is about 500 mph.

That's not even close to being an apples-to-apples comparison. After all, planes carrying passengers used to routinely break the sound barrier (roughly 760 mph, though it varies based on atmospheric conditions), and experimental aircraft have gone far faster. Still, the world's fastest train still finishes a distant second when matched up against an average, boring Boeing 737.

In other words, "close to as fast" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in Biden's prediction about the future of transportation in America.

But the more important point has nothing to do with racing trains against planes. Biden's comments on Wednesday are part of a grand tradition of overpromising the potential of high-speed rail—though he might have set a new record for the widest gap between imagination and reality.. . . "

Video can be seen at this link;

Biden touts trains as fast as planes, supersonic jets in infrastructure push

Biden touts trains as fast as planes, supersonic jets in infrastructure push

President Biden on Wednesday sought to sell his $2.3 trillion infrastructure plan by pulling out some decades-old promises of futuristic technologies like a transcontinental bullet train that&#8217…

nypost.com

In reality? The speech wasn't too bad when he didn't go off script. The right just tore it down, because when he did say dumb shit, like that train comment? It was, well, really out there. It short, it over promises, and under-delivers. It is a recipe for corruption, greed and graft. Just think of all those crumbling empty cities in China.


Like this one, pushing this infrastructure plan by saying, soon, someday, we would be able to fly around the world in an hour? wtf?

". . . I tell the kids — the young people who work for me and to all my kids — when I go on college campuses, they’re going to see more change in the next 10 years than we’ve seen in the last 50 years. We’re going to talk about commercial aircraft flying at subsonic speeds — supersonic speeds. Be able to, figuratively, if you may — if we decided to do it, traverse the world in about an hour, travel 21,000 miles an hour. So much is changing. We have got to lead it. . . ."

Remarks by President Biden on the American Jobs Plan | The White House

South Court Auditorium 2:05 P.M. EDT THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon, everyone. Last weekend, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, I announced my plan

www.whitehouse.gov

The world will note that the link in the post above is the first time --- in post 145 --- that the quote in the OP has been sourced at all. It speaks volumes about the legitimacy of this discussion that it went on for two days without a defined subject.

I was, myself, curious about the source.

I have noted, during the Trump admin., what I thought, was your unreasonable hatred for everything Trump. But. . . I went and actually READ those Whitehouse statements, and policies that the press didn't cover, and much of them were pretty good. There was a reason that the MSM didn't cover them.

. . . so? I figured there is a reason that the bullshit is floating to the top here too. Did you read the Whitehouse link? Much of that speech, and those ideas aren't too bad. And multiple times, Biden states he wants to work across the aisle.

So why are we focused on the stupid inane shit?

Well. . . because hyper-partisanship is more fun I guess. . . Just like you could never, and would never, recognize any of the good that Trump did, the folks that are making fun of Biden for making this stupid comment? Will never acknowledge the any of the good in that speech.

Should the DOT have kept up our infrastructure over the past several decades? Sure. But is there a need for new investment? Probably. And that is a conversation we should probably be having.


But this bashing is just more fun, just like bashing Trump was more fun.

So, in that spirit, obfuscation is always the strategy of choice. You can't cherry pick without it.

 

[Mac-7]

Yes the headline is inaccurate but that's the starting point of any discussion.

i understand your complaint and its valid

but practically speaking we are talking about a 50 mph difference

Which means the stuff biden babbles is at least as big a problem if not more so

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Whelp, first off your quote says "close to", not "as fast as". Second, the TGV (Train de Grand Vitesse) in France has been clocked at over 350 mph

So, CLOSE TO 600 mph?

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Biden states he wants to work across the aisle

Democrats dont "compromise." Unless by "compromise" you mean agree with them 100% .

 

[Pogo]

I think the senile old fuck missed a diaper change or something.

Whelp, first off your quote says "close to", not "as fast as". Second, the TGV (Train de Grand Vitesse) in France has been clocked at over 350 mph; and third, airports are always located well outside of cities, which adds all the time, assuming no schedule delays, of commuting to one airport and from the other, the security lines, check-in, all of that, resulting in the fact that I could drive from here in the sticks of North Carolina to downtown Nashville in the same time the company's plane ticket would get me there, and that's simply easy car driving and not a TGV.

Train stations, in contrast to airports, rarely ever fall out of the sky and therefore bring you right to the center of town.

So you agree with Biden's assessment that a train can get you "across the country" almost as fast as a commercial jet? Let's hear you say it...

Are YOU saying that a train will NEVER be able to travel as fast as current commercial aircraft? Let's hear you say that bit of stupid.

Nope. Top speeds of a train are 267mph. Commercial airliner is around 570mph. Aint gonna happen.

Top speeds [sic] of which train? I've already posted that the TGV has done over 350. That's not even counting the hyperloop others have posted about which would double that. That hyperloop doesn't exist yet, but the alleged quote, again DOES say "imagine a world where", it does not say "you can do this right now".

Besides which, as I pointed out at the beginning of all this, plane travel involves a fuck of a lot more than just the flying, which adds hours to the trip.

I swear ta god summa y'all seem to have never been on a plane trip at all. Which is fine, but don't sit here and pontificate on something y'all don't understand.

350 mph is a lie, no passenger trains do that with passengers on board. There is no demand for this in the USA except the NE coast, Boston/NYC/Philly/DC.

Funny. there didn't used to be any passenger jets capable of supersonic flight. But then, THERE WERE!

And now there aren’t. They were too expensive to keep flying and had a tendency to crash. If they had government subsidies they would still be here though.

And they're bringing them back

Concorde successor AS2 takes leap forward with vast new Florida HQ

Supersonic travel is one step closer as airplane manufacturer Aerion breaks ground on a new Florida HQ for its 1,000mph AS2 private jet

www.cnn.com

You keep digging up this off topic crap to avoid why you are just dead wrong.

Biden was speaking of the future.
You demand to believe that he was talking about now.

You're confused or just being dishonest.

He might be talking about. . . "the future," but what we have now, are real, practical applications for that NOW, as this is the infrastructure bill. Spending money on unproven tech is reckless. Especially if it is not in demand by the free market.

Joe Biden Says Trains Will Soon Be Almost as Fast as Planes. That's Ridiculous.
Advocates of high-speed rail have been overpromising and underdelivering for decades, but Biden just raised the bar.

Joe Biden Says Trains Will Soon Be Almost as Fast as Planes. That's Ridiculous.

When it comes to his favorite mode of transportation, President Joe Biden apparently has a very active imagination. "What we're…

reason.com

". . . For context, the fastest speed that a train has ever achieved—not while carrying passengers, mind you, but just as an experiment—is 357 mph. Over long distances, while carrying passengers and making stops at stations, the world's speediest train is China's Beijing to Nanjing line, which runs at slightly less than 200 mph.

Meanwhile, the average speed of a commercial jet in the United States is about 500 mph.

That's not even close to being an apples-to-apples comparison. After all, planes carrying passengers used to routinely break the sound barrier (roughly 760 mph, though it varies based on atmospheric conditions), and experimental aircraft have gone far faster. Still, the world's fastest train still finishes a distant second when matched up against an average, boring Boeing 737.

In other words, "close to as fast" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in Biden's prediction about the future of transportation in America.

But the more important point has nothing to do with racing trains against planes. Biden's comments on Wednesday are part of a grand tradition of overpromising the potential of high-speed rail—though he might have set a new record for the widest gap between imagination and reality.. . . "

Video can be seen at this link;

Biden touts trains as fast as planes, supersonic jets in infrastructure push

Biden touts trains as fast as planes, supersonic jets in infrastructure push

President Biden on Wednesday sought to sell his $2.3 trillion infrastructure plan by pulling out some decades-old promises of futuristic technologies like a transcontinental bullet train that&#8217…

nypost.com

In reality? The speech wasn't too bad when he didn't go off script. The right just tore it down, because when he did say dumb shit, like that train comment? It was, well, really out there. It short, it over promises, and under-delivers. It is a recipe for corruption, greed and graft. Just think of all those crumbling empty cities in China.


Like this one, pushing this infrastructure plan by saying, soon, someday, we would be able to fly around the world in an hour? wtf?

". . . I tell the kids — the young people who work for me and to all my kids — when I go on college campuses, they’re going to see more change in the next 10 years than we’ve seen in the last 50 years. We’re going to talk about commercial aircraft flying at subsonic speeds — supersonic speeds. Be able to, figuratively, if you may — if we decided to do it, traverse the world in about an hour, travel 21,000 miles an hour. So much is changing. We have got to lead it. . . ."

Remarks by President Biden on the American Jobs Plan | The White House

South Court Auditorium 2:05 P.M. EDT THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon, everyone. Last weekend, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, I announced my plan

www.whitehouse.gov

The world will note that the link in the post above is the first time --- in post 145 --- that the quote in the OP has been sourced at all. It speaks volumes about the legitimacy of this discussion that it went on for two days without a defined subject.

I was, myself, curious about the source.

I have noted, during the Trump admin., what I thought, was your unreasonable hatred for everything Trump. But. . . I went and actually READ those Whitehouse statements, and policies that the press didn't cover, and much of them were pretty good. There was a reason that the MSM didn't cover them.

. . . so? I figured there is a reason that the bullshit is floating to the top here too. Did you read the Whitehouse link? Much of that speech, and those ideas aren't too bad. And multiple times, Biden states he wants to work across the aisle.

So why are we focused on the stupid inane shit?

Well. . . because hyper-partisanship is more fun I guess. . . Just like you could never, and would never, recognize any of the good that Trump did, the folks that are making fun of Biden for making this stupid comment? Will never acknowledge the any of the good in that speech.

Should the DOT have kept up our infrastructure over the past several decades? Sure. But is there a need for new investment? Probably. And that is a conversation we should probably be having.


But this bashing is just more fun, just like bashing Trump was more fun.

So, in that spirit, obfuscation is always the strategy of choice. You can't cherry pick without it.

In fact I did not read any of the links. All I did was verify that the first one was an actual source to the Biden quote, which was my whole focus. Beyond that I really don't care. My thrust here, as it has always been, is "is this discussion legitimate?".

As for Rump bashing, as I've also been pointing out for the last six years, that is entirely about personality, not politics. Politics aren't even present. It's entirely personal. You might say, politics pales in comParison to personal putridity.

 

[MisterBeale]

Biden states he wants to work across the aisle

Democrats dont "compromise." Unless by "compromise" you mean agree with them 100% .

Wow? Seriously?

I know you are from Michigan. . . and this just shows your colossal ignorance of politics. Michigan is one of the greatest purple states in the union, precisely because we are the best at compromise.

We have the best school funding in the nation, which Devos tried to bring to the nation. . .

If it had not been for conservatives desiring government funding going to school choice, and liberals wanting an equalization of funding between rich districts and poor districts, we would never have gotten Proposal A. This was a monumental compromise between our now Senator Stabenow, who was then a State Senator, and Engler. . . you don't remember?




Engler's Angle
How tax relief became school reform in Michigan

Engler's Angle

How tax relief became school reform in Michigan

reason.com

". . . After a series of dead-end talks between the governor and Senate majority and minority leaders, the Democrats made a surprising offer: They wouldn't support the 20-percent tax cut proposed by Republicans, but they might consider going along with an amendment that abolished all property taxes. Debbie Stabenow, a Democratic state senator who is challenging Engler in Michigan's gubernatorial race this fall, proposed the new amendment on July 19.

Why would a Democratic senator introduce such a Republican-sounding proposal? Stabenow says she did it because someone had to "break the issue loose. We had incredible inequities in schools and we had the knowledge of how to fix the problem—but we didn't have the political will."

Stabenow believes it was "the lesser of two evils" to abolish all property taxes rather than to go along with the 20-percent cut proposed by Republicans, even though neither plan made provisions for replacing lost revenue. If the legislature completely dissolved the tax base, says Stabenow, they would have to admit the need for a complete overhaul of Michigan's out-of-control finance and education situation. To force the issue, the Democrats' plan set a deadline of the 1994-95 school year for implementing a new way of funding schools.

Others question Stabenow's motives and suggest that pre-election year posturing and political one-upmanship might have played their own large roles. "Maybe in her heart of hearts [Stabenow] thought abolishing property taxes, even given the risk of anarchy, was worth it to get the legislature moving," says the Mackinac Center's Wittmann with a smile. "In a sense, you can commend her. But is that what she was really doing?"

Most folks think every one in the DNC is all gung-ho on the abortion issue. Yet? The original Hyde Amendment passed, 312–93.

The polarization in the nation? That is on your TEE VEE.

Many folks really do want to try to solve problems. . . others? They don't give a shit about party, they are beholden to their stake holders.

 

[MisterBeale]

I think the senile old fuck missed a diaper change or something.

Whelp, first off your quote says "close to", not "as fast as". Second, the TGV (Train de Grand Vitesse) in France has been clocked at over 350 mph; and third, airports are always located well outside of cities, which adds all the time, assuming no schedule delays, of commuting to one airport and from the other, the security lines, check-in, all of that, resulting in the fact that I could drive from here in the sticks of North Carolina to downtown Nashville in the same time the company's plane ticket would get me there, and that's simply easy car driving and not a TGV.

Train stations, in contrast to airports, rarely ever fall out of the sky and therefore bring you right to the center of town.

So you agree with Biden's assessment that a train can get you "across the country" almost as fast as a commercial jet? Let's hear you say it...

Are YOU saying that a train will NEVER be able to travel as fast as current commercial aircraft? Let's hear you say that bit of stupid.

Nope. Top speeds of a train are 267mph. Commercial airliner is around 570mph. Aint gonna happen.

Top speeds [sic] of which train? I've already posted that the TGV has done over 350. That's not even counting the hyperloop others have posted about which would double that. That hyperloop doesn't exist yet, but the alleged quote, again DOES say "imagine a world where", it does not say "you can do this right now".

Besides which, as I pointed out at the beginning of all this, plane travel involves a fuck of a lot more than just the flying, which adds hours to the trip.

I swear ta god summa y'all seem to have never been on a plane trip at all. Which is fine, but don't sit here and pontificate on something y'all don't understand.

350 mph is a lie, no passenger trains do that with passengers on board. There is no demand for this in the USA except the NE coast, Boston/NYC/Philly/DC.

Funny. there didn't used to be any passenger jets capable of supersonic flight. But then, THERE WERE!

And now there aren’t. They were too expensive to keep flying and had a tendency to crash. If they had government subsidies they would still be here though.

And they're bringing them back

Concorde successor AS2 takes leap forward with vast new Florida HQ

Supersonic travel is one step closer as airplane manufacturer Aerion breaks ground on a new Florida HQ for its 1,000mph AS2 private jet

www.cnn.com

You keep digging up this off topic crap to avoid why you are just dead wrong.

Biden was speaking of the future.
You demand to believe that he was talking about now.

You're confused or just being dishonest.

He might be talking about. . . "the future," but what we have now, are real, practical applications for that NOW, as this is the infrastructure bill. Spending money on unproven tech is reckless. Especially if it is not in demand by the free market.

Joe Biden Says Trains Will Soon Be Almost as Fast as Planes. That's Ridiculous.
Advocates of high-speed rail have been overpromising and underdelivering for decades, but Biden just raised the bar.

Joe Biden Says Trains Will Soon Be Almost as Fast as Planes. That's Ridiculous.

When it comes to his favorite mode of transportation, President Joe Biden apparently has a very active imagination. "What we're…

reason.com

". . . For context, the fastest speed that a train has ever achieved—not while carrying passengers, mind you, but just as an experiment—is 357 mph. Over long distances, while carrying passengers and making stops at stations, the world's speediest train is China's Beijing to Nanjing line, which runs at slightly less than 200 mph.

Meanwhile, the average speed of a commercial jet in the United States is about 500 mph.

That's not even close to being an apples-to-apples comparison. After all, planes carrying passengers used to routinely break the sound barrier (roughly 760 mph, though it varies based on atmospheric conditions), and experimental aircraft have gone far faster. Still, the world's fastest train still finishes a distant second when matched up against an average, boring Boeing 737.

In other words, "close to as fast" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in Biden's prediction about the future of transportation in America.

But the more important point has nothing to do with racing trains against planes. Biden's comments on Wednesday are part of a grand tradition of overpromising the potential of high-speed rail—though he might have set a new record for the widest gap between imagination and reality.. . . "

Video can be seen at this link;

Biden touts trains as fast as planes, supersonic jets in infrastructure push

Biden touts trains as fast as planes, supersonic jets in infrastructure push

President Biden on Wednesday sought to sell his $2.3 trillion infrastructure plan by pulling out some decades-old promises of futuristic technologies like a transcontinental bullet train that&#8217…

nypost.com

In reality? The speech wasn't too bad when he didn't go off script. The right just tore it down, because when he did say dumb shit, like that train comment? It was, well, really out there. It short, it over promises, and under-delivers. It is a recipe for corruption, greed and graft. Just think of all those crumbling empty cities in China.


Like this one, pushing this infrastructure plan by saying, soon, someday, we would be able to fly around the world in an hour? wtf?

". . . I tell the kids — the young people who work for me and to all my kids — when I go on college campuses, they’re going to see more change in the next 10 years than we’ve seen in the last 50 years. We’re going to talk about commercial aircraft flying at subsonic speeds — supersonic speeds. Be able to, figuratively, if you may — if we decided to do it, traverse the world in about an hour, travel 21,000 miles an hour. So much is changing. We have got to lead it. . . ."

Remarks by President Biden on the American Jobs Plan | The White House

South Court Auditorium 2:05 P.M. EDT THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon, everyone. Last weekend, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, I announced my plan

www.whitehouse.gov

The world will note that the link in the post above is the first time --- in post 145 --- that the quote in the OP has been sourced at all. It speaks volumes about the legitimacy of this discussion that it went on for two days without a defined subject.

I was, myself, curious about the source.

I have noted, during the Trump admin., what I thought, was your unreasonable hatred for everything Trump. But. . . I went and actually READ those Whitehouse statements, and policies that the press didn't cover, and much of them were pretty good. There was a reason that the MSM didn't cover them.

. . . so? I figured there is a reason that the bullshit is floating to the top here too. Did you read the Whitehouse link? Much of that speech, and those ideas aren't too bad. And multiple times, Biden states he wants to work across the aisle.

So why are we focused on the stupid inane shit?

Well. . . because hyper-partisanship is more fun I guess. . . Just like you could never, and would never, recognize any of the good that Trump did, the folks that are making fun of Biden for making this stupid comment? Will never acknowledge the any of the good in that speech.

Should the DOT have kept up our infrastructure over the past several decades? Sure. But is there a need for new investment? Probably. And that is a conversation we should probably be having.


But this bashing is just more fun, just like bashing Trump was more fun.

So, in that spirit, obfuscation is always the strategy of choice. You can't cherry pick without it.

In fact I did not read any of the links. All I did was verify that the first one was an actual source to the Biden quote, which was my whole focus. Beyond that I really don't care. My thrust here, as it has always been, is "is this discussion legitimate?".

As for Rump bashing, as I've also been pointing out for the last six years, that is entirely about personality, not politics. Politics aren't even present. It's entirely personal. You might say, politics pales in comParison to personal putridity.

. . I did not know you knew Trump.

Interesting.

 

[harmonica]

I think the senile old fuck missed a diaper change or something.

Whelp, first off your quote says "close to", not "as fast as". Second, the TGV (Train de Grand Vitesse) in France has been clocked at over 350 mph; and third, airports are always located well outside of cities, which adds all the time, assuming no schedule delays, of commuting to one airport and from the other, the security lines, check-in, waiting for baggage carousels, all of that, resulting in the fact that I could drive from here in the sticks of North Carolina to downtown Nashville in the same time the company's plane ticket would get me there, and that's simply easy car driving and not a TGV.

Trains, in contrast to airports, rarely ever fall out of the sky and therefore bring you right to the center of town.

We average better than 5K train/motor vehicle collisions a year. I suspect the number of plane/car collisions is lower.

Who knows, but the OP wasn't about collisions, it was about speed.

It was also about not knowing what a real link is.

HUGE difference between France and the US
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Huger difference between how fast something goes and "how big France is".

..you people always bring up idiotic analogies

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Joe has found a great newjobfor Hunter...


The test dummy for the train's first trial run.

Why are you insulting crash test dummies?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I’ve never been on a train for a long trip but I can’t imagine you don’t check your bags. I don’t see everyone going to their seats with two rolling suit cases. No way.

Yeah you do. I've crossed the country by train.

Second, there’s no chance these trains won’t have a two hour check in time with TSA and all the same shit they have at airports. We used to run into an airport 15 minutes before take off, not now. Trains would be the same.

Speculation fallacy.

Third, and this is the technical part. You can’t just have a train going LA to NY like a direct flight. It’s not feasable, cost wise or use wise. The train would have to stop. A lot. So what stops? Let’s say LA, SLC, Denver, KC, STL, Chicago, Philly, NYC? Something like that. You aren’t smoking through those cities at 350 mph, sudden stop, 15 minute unload reload time and back to 350 mph. It’s an hour per stop minimum after slowing down well before getting there and leaving.

None of it makes sense as a tax payer investment. If a private railroad thinks they can do it I’m all for it. Not all of us paying for this mess.

The OP wasn't about "taxpayer investment", nor was it about security lines. -- it was about speed. It was about reading comprehension and it was about not knowing what a real link is. But speaking of security checks, it's a fuck of a lot more dangerous to blow up a plane than a train, something about the relative altitude of each.

First, yeah I figured.
Second, it not fallacy. You aren’t getting on a trillion dollar train without being molested by the TSA and getting everything checked for two hours. You’re insane if you think that’s not happening.
Third, fuck yeah a train wreck is worse. Not just the deaths but the destruction of the track means everything is fucked. A plane can go down and the next one flys over the wreck. A train gets blown up and the entire system is shut down for months.

If the plane has multiple runways in that heading, the airport may NEVER shut down except for a few hours to put out the fires,

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I think the senile old fuck missed a diaper change or something.

Whelp, first off your quote says "close to", not "as fast as". Second, the TGV (Train de Grand Vitesse) in France has been clocked at over 350 mph; and third, airports are always located well outside of cities, which adds all the time, assuming no schedule delays, of commuting to one airport and from the other, the security lines, check-in, waiting for baggage carousels, all of that, resulting in the fact that I could drive from here in the sticks of North Carolina to downtown Nashville in the same time the company's plane ticket would get me there, and that's simply easy car driving and not a TGV. Even a slow train would beat the plane there.

Trains, in contrast to airports, rarely ever fall out of the sky and therefore bring you right to the center of town.

Have you thought about the cost of maintaining and securing thousands of miles of track? Guess not.

I want to know where these libtards are getting the power to run these trains? They cannot carry enough fuel and the electricity is probably produced by burning coal!

 

[krichton]

I’ve never been on a train for a long trip but I can’t imagine you don’t check your bags. I don’t see everyone going to their seats with two rolling suit cases. No way.

Second, there’s no chance these trains won’t have a two hour check in time with TSA and all the same shit they have at airports. We used to run into an airport 15 minutes before take off, not now. Trains would be the same.

Third, and this is the technical part. You can’t just have a train going LA to NY like a direct flight. It’s not feasable, cost wise or use wise. The train would have to stop. A lot. So what stops? Let’s say LA, SLC, Denver, KC, STL, Chicago, Philly, NYC? Something like that. You aren’t smoking through those cities at 350 mph, sudden stop, 15 minute unload reload time and back to 350 mph. It’s an hour per stop minimum after slowing down well before getting there and leaving.

None of it makes sense as a tax payer investment. If a private railroad thinks they can do it I’m all for it. Not all of us paying for this mess.

Do you have to go through tsa to board a train right now? Also what on earth are you talking about? Since when did ppl have to wait an hour per stop on a bullet train? LOL

 

[marvin martian]

I think the senile old fuck missed a diaper change or something.

Whelp, first off your quote says "close to", not "as fast as". Second, the TGV (Train de Grand Vitesse) in France has been clocked at over 350 mph; and third, airports are always located well outside of cities, which adds all the time, assuming no schedule delays, of commuting to one airport and from the other, the security lines, check-in, waiting for baggage carousels, all of that, resulting in the fact that I could drive from here in the sticks of North Carolina to downtown Nashville in the same time the company's plane ticket would get me there, and that's simply easy car driving and not a TGV. Even a slow train would beat the plane there.

Trains, in contrast to airports, rarely ever fall out of the sky and therefore bring you right to the center of town.

Have you thought about the cost of maintaining and securing thousands of miles of track? Guess not.

Not to mention the ENORMOUS carbon footprint of building that much rail. Funny how the leftnuts never seem to mention that part...

 

[Dadoalex]

I think the senile old fuck missed a diaper change or something.

Whelp, first off your quote says "close to", not "as fast as". Second, the TGV (Train de Grand Vitesse) in France has been clocked at over 350 mph; and third, airports are always located well outside of cities, which adds all the time, assuming no schedule delays, of commuting to one airport and from the other, the security lines, check-in, all of that, resulting in the fact that I could drive from here in the sticks of North Carolina to downtown Nashville in the same time the company's plane ticket would get me there, and that's simply easy car driving and not a TGV.

Train stations, in contrast to airports, rarely ever fall out of the sky and therefore bring you right to the center of town.

So you agree with Biden's assessment that a train can get you "across the country" almost as fast as a commercial jet? Let's hear you say it...

Are YOU saying that a train will NEVER be able to travel as fast as current commercial aircraft? Let's hear you say that bit of stupid.

Nope. Top speeds of a train are 267mph. Commercial airliner is around 570mph. Aint gonna happen.

Top speeds [sic] of which train? I've already posted that the TGV has done over 350. That's not even counting the hyperloop others have posted about which would double that. That hyperloop doesn't exist yet, but the alleged quote, again DOES say "imagine a world where", it does not say "you can do this right now".

Besides which, as I pointed out at the beginning of all this, plane travel involves a fuck of a lot more than just the flying, which adds hours to the trip.

I swear ta god summa y'all seem to have never been on a plane trip at all. Which is fine, but don't sit here and pontificate on something y'all don't understand.

350 mph is a lie, no passenger trains do that with passengers on board. There is no demand for this in the USA except the NE coast, Boston/NYC/Philly/DC.

Funny. there didn't used to be any passenger jets capable of supersonic flight. But then, THERE WERE!

And now there aren’t. They were too expensive to keep flying and had a tendency to crash. If they had government subsidies they would still be here though.

And they're bringing them back

Concorde successor AS2 takes leap forward with vast new Florida HQ

Supersonic travel is one step closer as airplane manufacturer Aerion breaks ground on a new Florida HQ for its 1,000mph AS2 private jet

www.cnn.com

You keep digging up this off topic crap to avoid why you are just dead wrong.

Biden was speaking of the future.
You demand to believe that he was talking about now.

You're confused or just being dishonest.

I’m just stating facts. If you and bidumb are on a drunken dementia filled fantasy about the future that’s fine. It’s not impossible but I’m not sure we all want to donate a huge part of our paychecks in taxes to fake it. All of your dreams have to come true when two things merge. Consumer demand and a private sector solution. Until that happens we may as well pass the Jack bottle around again and dream about teleportation.

No, you're not.
You're ignoring facts.

That's called lying.

 

[Dadoalex]

I think the senile old fuck missed a diaper change or something.

Whelp, first off your quote says "close to", not "as fast as". Second, the TGV (Train de Grand Vitesse) in France has been clocked at over 350 mph; and third, airports are always located well outside of cities, which adds all the time, assuming no schedule delays, of commuting to one airport and from the other, the security lines, check-in, all of that, resulting in the fact that I could drive from here in the sticks of North Carolina to downtown Nashville in the same time the company's plane ticket would get me there, and that's simply easy car driving and not a TGV.

Train stations, in contrast to airports, rarely ever fall out of the sky and therefore bring you right to the center of town.

So you agree with Biden's assessment that a train can get you "across the country" almost as fast as a commercial jet? Let's hear you say it...

Are YOU saying that a train will NEVER be able to travel as fast as current commercial aircraft? Let's hear you say that bit of stupid.

Nope. Top speeds of a train are 267mph. Commercial airliner is around 570mph. Aint gonna happen.

Top speeds [sic] of which train? I've already posted that the TGV has done over 350. That's not even counting the hyperloop others have posted about which would double that. That hyperloop doesn't exist yet, but the alleged quote, again DOES say "imagine a world where", it does not say "you can do this right now".

Besides which, as I pointed out at the beginning of all this, plane travel involves a fuck of a lot more than just the flying, which adds hours to the trip.

I swear ta god summa y'all seem to have never been on a plane trip at all. Which is fine, but don't sit here and pontificate on something y'all don't understand.

350 mph is a lie, no passenger trains do that with passengers on board. There is no demand for this in the USA except the NE coast, Boston/NYC/Philly/DC.

Funny. there didn't used to be any passenger jets capable of supersonic flight. But then, THERE WERE!

And now there aren’t. They were too expensive to keep flying and had a tendency to crash. If they had government subsidies they would still be here though.

And they're bringing them back

Concorde successor AS2 takes leap forward with vast new Florida HQ

Supersonic travel is one step closer as airplane manufacturer Aerion breaks ground on a new Florida HQ for its 1,000mph AS2 private jet

www.cnn.com

You keep digging up this off topic crap to avoid why you are just dead wrong.

Biden was speaking of the future.
You demand to believe that he was talking about now.

You're confused or just being dishonest.

He might be talking about. . . "the future," but what we have now, are real, practical applications for that NOW, as this is the infrastructure bill. Spending money on unproven tech is reckless. Especially if it is not in demand by the free market.

Joe Biden Says Trains Will Soon Be Almost as Fast as Planes. That's Ridiculous.
Advocates of high-speed rail have been overpromising and underdelivering for decades, but Biden just raised the bar.

Joe Biden Says Trains Will Soon Be Almost as Fast as Planes. That's Ridiculous.

When it comes to his favorite mode of transportation, President Joe Biden apparently has a very active imagination. "What we're…

reason.com

". . . For context, the fastest speed that a train has ever achieved—not while carrying passengers, mind you, but just as an experiment—is 357 mph. Over long distances, while carrying passengers and making stops at stations, the world's speediest train is China's Beijing to Nanjing line, which runs at slightly less than 200 mph.

Meanwhile, the average speed of a commercial jet in the United States is about 500 mph.

That's not even close to being an apples-to-apples comparison. After all, planes carrying passengers used to routinely break the sound barrier (roughly 760 mph, though it varies based on atmospheric conditions), and experimental aircraft have gone far faster. Still, the world's fastest train still finishes a distant second when matched up against an average, boring Boeing 737.

In other words, "close to as fast" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in Biden's prediction about the future of transportation in America.

But the more important point has nothing to do with racing trains against planes. Biden's comments on Wednesday are part of a grand tradition of overpromising the potential of high-speed rail—though he might have set a new record for the widest gap between imagination and reality.. . . "

Video can be seen at this link;

Biden touts trains as fast as planes, supersonic jets in infrastructure push

Biden touts trains as fast as planes, supersonic jets in infrastructure push

President Biden on Wednesday sought to sell his $2.3 trillion infrastructure plan by pulling out some decades-old promises of futuristic technologies like a transcontinental bullet train that&#8217…

nypost.com

In reality? The speech wasn't too bad when he didn't go off script. The right just tore it down, because when he did say dumb shit, like that train comment? It was, well, really out there. It short, it over promises, and under-delivers. It is a recipe for corruption, greed and graft. Just think of all those crumbling empty cities in China.


Like this one, pushing this infrastructure plan by saying, soon, someday, we would be able to fly around the world in an hour? wtf?

". . . I tell the kids — the young people who work for me and to all my kids — when I go on college campuses, they’re going to see more change in the next 10 years than we’ve seen in the last 50 years. We’re going to talk about commercial aircraft flying at subsonic speeds — supersonic speeds. Be able to, figuratively, if you may — if we decided to do it, traverse the world in about an hour, travel 21,000 miles an hour. So much is changing. We have got to lead it. . . ."

Remarks by President Biden on the American Jobs Plan | The White House

South Court Auditorium 2:05 P.M. EDT THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon, everyone. Last weekend, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, I announced my plan

www.whitehouse.gov

The space shuttle hit 17,500 mph. For five people and some freight. It cost right at 2 billion per launch to do that. It doesn’t take much math to figure out this pipe dream. You need power and a fuel source, yet we are trying to go backward with windmills and shit for our homes. You can’t windmill your ass to 21,000 miles per hour. Holy shit.

Looks like you lost the topic. Windmills are two aisles over.