Biden and Schumer call for more gun control measures.

[Woodznutz]

Mainly in the form of enhanced background checks and closer monitoring of dealers.
That begs the question. Do we really have a serious gun 'problem' in America? A look at actual cases indicates that we may not. Consider these scenarios, that comprise the overwhelming majority of shootings.

Cop shoots bad guy.
What's the fixable gun problem?

Bad guy shoots bad guy.
What's the fixable gun problem?

Good guy shoots bad guy.
What's the fixable gun problem?

Bad guy shoots good guy.
What's the fixable gun problem?

Person shoots themself deliberately.
What's the fixable gun problem?

Person shoots themself accidently.
What's the fixable gun problem?

Spouse or boy/girl friend shoots the other or third party.
What's the fixable gun problem?

*All above shootings committed with guns that were legally obtained at one time.

 

[TNHarley]

We have 330M people. Minus suicides, we have around, what, 10K murders by guns? And 8K of those are just thugs killing each other.
Thats not a problem.
We dont have a gun problem.

 

[Moonglow]

Mainly in the form of enhanced background checks and closer monitoring of dealers.
That begs the question. Do we really have a serious gun 'problem' in America? A look at actual cases indicates that we may not. Consider these scenarios, that comprise the overwhelming majority of shootings.

Cop shoots bad guy.
What's the fixable gun problem?

Bad guy shoots bad guy.
What's the fixable gun problem?

Good guy shoots bad guy.
What's the fixable gun problem?

Bad guy shoots good guy.
What's the fixable gun problem?

Person shoots themself deliberately.
What's the fixable gun problem?

Person shoots themself accidently.
What's the fixable gun problem?

Spouse or boy/girl friend shoots the other or third party.
What's the fixable gun problem?

*All above shootings committed with guns that were legally obtained at one time.

 

[1srelluc]

The real problem is convicted felon black on black shootings with illegally obtained weapons.

Sigh, we should have picked our own cotton.

 

[Woodznutz]

Not required for this discussion.

 

[Woodznutz]

The real problem is convicted felon black on black shootings with illegally obtained weapons.

That's a problem only because innocent people are often killed as well. Many of these black felons expect to be killed by a cop or another felon.

 

[Moonglow]

Not required for this discussion.

Then we can rely on your ability not to tell the truth with facts.

 

[Donald H]

Mainly in the form of enhanced background checks and closer monitoring of dealers.
That begs the question. Do we really have a serious gun 'problem' in America? A look at actual cases indicates that we may not. Consider these scenarios, that comprise the overwhelming majority of shootings.

Cop shoots bad guy.
What's the fixable gun problem?

Bad guy shoots bad guy.
What's the fixable gun problem?

Good guy shoots bad guy.
What's the fixable gun problem?

Bad guy shoots good guy.
What's the fixable gun problem?

Person shoots themself deliberately.
What's the fixable gun problem?

Person shoots themself accidently.
What's the fixable gun problem?

Spouse or boy/girl friend shoots the other or third party.
What's the fixable gun problem?

*All above shootings committed with guns that were legally obtained at one time.

It really does appear that the fix for all of the gun problems listed would be the elimination of a large portion of the guns.

Especially the kind of guns that are most useful in gun related crimes. (handguns, black assault weapons, etc?)

Let's begin with the first crime:

Cop shoots bad guy.

The large majority of police shootings will be the shooting of a person with a gun. Or at least the police suspecting a gun.

Maybe each of the listed example can be examined in the same way, in order to turn this thread into a useful discussion on America's gun problems.

 

[Moonglow]

The real problem is convicted felon black on black shootings with illegally obtained weapons.

Sigh, we should have picked our own cotton.

You had a chance not to be the one who killed to keep from working but, nooooooooooooooo.

 

[1srelluc]

You had a chance not to be the one who killed to keep from working but, nooooooooooooooo.

As far as I know only one of my ancestors owned a slave. He worked side by side at the general store/grist mill. He was taught to read/write/do sums. His owner had to get permission from the county and Richmond to do so.

After the CW he went and found him a wife, came back, took up the same job with wages, and did stone work on the side.

He's buried with his wife in our family cemetery.....In fact the little stone house he built while still a slave still mostly stands and is slated to be restored as it's the only known "slave house" in that part of the county.

 

[Woodznutz]

Then we can rely on your ability not to tell the truth with facts.

I presented the facts. If you require statistics you can easily search them out.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Mainly in the form of enhanced background checks and closer monitoring of dealers.
That begs the question. Do we really have a serious gun 'problem' in America? A look at actual cases indicates that we may not. Consider these scenarios, that comprise the overwhelming majority of shootings.

Cop shoots bad guy.
What's the fixable gun problem?

Bad guy shoots bad guy.
What's the fixable gun problem?

Good guy shoots bad guy.
What's the fixable gun problem?

Bad guy shoots good guy.
What's the fixable gun problem?

Person shoots themself deliberately.
What's the fixable gun problem?

Person shoots themself accidently.
What's the fixable gun problem?

Spouse or boy/girl friend shoots the other or third party.
What's the fixable gun problem?

*All above shootings committed with guns that were legally obtained at one time.

Sounds like a people problem, not a gun problem. My guns never did any of that..

 

[Woodznutz]

It really does appear that the fix for all of the gun problems listed would be the elimination of a large portion of the guns.

Especially the kind of guns that are most useful in gun related crimes. (handguns, black assault weapons, etc?)

Let's begin with the first crime:

The large majority of police shootings will be the shooting of a person with a gun. Or at least the police suspecting a gun.

Maybe each of the listed example can be examined in the same way, in order to turn this thread into a useful discussion on America's gun problems.

Wait, are you saying that police shooting bad guys is a crime?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

It really does appear that the fix for all of the gun problems listed would be the elimination of a large portion of the guns.

Especially the kind of guns that are most useful in gun related crimes. (handguns, black assault weapons, etc?)

Let's begin with the first crime:

The large majority of police shootings will be the shooting of a person with a gun. Or at least the police suspecting a gun.

Maybe each of the listed example can be examined in the same way, in order to turn this thread into a useful discussion on America's gun problems.

Whats a black assault weapon? and does that mean a semi auto that isnt black is ok?

 

[Woodznutz]

Sounds like a people problem, not a gun problem. My guns never did any of that..

It's a leadership problem first. Then it becomes a problem with the people generally.

 

[Woodznutz]

Whats a black assault weapon? and does that mean a semi auto that isnt black is ok?

The murderous ladies prefer pink AR-15's.

 

[Donald H]

Wait, are you saying that police shooting bad guys is a crime?

Your topic is:

What's the fixable gun problem?

If you have an interest in the topic then maybe you could address the next point. Otherwise this becomes just more gun spam such as you are suggesting. Who cares?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Your topic is:

If you have an interest in the topic then maybe you could address the next point. Otherwise this becomes just more gun spam such as you are suggesting. Who cares?

I ask you a question. What got no answer to your ignorant statement?

 

[Woodznutz]

As far as I know only one of my ancestors owned a slave. He worked side by side at the general store/grist mill. He was taught to read/write/do sums. His owner had to get permission from the county and Richmond to do so.

After the CW he went and found him a wife, came back, took up the same job with wages, and did stone work on the side.

He's buried with his wife in our family cemetery.....In fact the little stone house he built while still a slave still mostly stands and is slated to be restored as it's the only known "slave house" in that part of the county.

Great story. The skills that slaves came out of slavery with formed the basis of a fledgling black economy after the Civil War.

 

[Woodznutz]

Your topic is:

If you have an interest in the topic then maybe you could address the next point. Otherwise this becomes just more gun spam such as you are suggesting. Who cares?

Then address the question. Which 'problem' is fixable, and how?