Biden and Putin are open to talks and diplomacy on Ukraine

[peacefan]

Putin is open to talks and diplomacy on Ukraine, Kremlin says

Russian President Vladimir Putin is open to talks on a possible settlement to the conflict in Ukraine and believes in a diplomatic solution, the Kremlin said on Friday after U.S. President Joe Biden suggested he was prepared to speak to the Russian leader.

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i'd like to see some diplomatically pre-vetted actual peace proposals fielded in international media.
it's one thing to claim to be ready for peace negotiations, it's a few important steps more before you actually *can* hold a peace-summit with an expected favorable outcome for all sides.

 

[1srelluc]

So Tater prolongs the war and now wants to talk peace.....What, is his money laundering operation going to hit a snag come 1/3/23?

The world wonders.

 

[peacefan]

WASHINGTON — Standing beside the French leader who has championed the need for dialogue with Moscow, President Biden said on Thursday that he would talk to President Vladimir V. Putin,…

From The Insidexpress, Biden Says He Is Willing to Talk to Putin About Ukraine, With Conditions by The Insidexpress.

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i'd like to know more about what those conditions would be like..

 

[Synthaholic]

President Joseph Biden (God's choice) is not empowered to negotiate on Ukraine's behalf. This would be very preliminary and Putin would need to show or signal ahead of this what he was willing to do.

 

[peacefan]

Kremlin Says Putin Believes in Diplomacy and Is Open to Talks on Ukraine

Kremlin Says Putin Believes in Diplomacy , and Is Open to Talks on Ukraine. During a joint press conference with President Biden and French President Emmanuel Macron on Dec. 1, . Biden said he was prepared to speak with Vladimir Putin if the Russian president was ready to end the war in Ukraine. Biden said he was prepared to speak with Vladimir Putin if the Russian president was ready to end the war in Ukraine. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov commented on Biden's remarks. The president of the Russian Federation has always been, is and remains open to negotiations in order to ensure our interests, Dmitry Peskov, Kremlin spokesman, via statement. However, Peskov asserted that Russia would not leave Ukraine. He went on to say that America's refusal to recognize annexations as new Russian territories was impeding negotiations. . This significantly complicates the search for mutual ground for discussions, Dmitry Peskov, Kremlin spokesman, via statement. But at the same time - it is very important to give this in conjunction – President Putin has been, is and remains open for contacts, for negotiations. Of course, the most preferable way to achieve our interests is through peaceful, diplomatic means, Dmitry Peskov, Kremlin spokesman, via statement. Reuters reports that Russia has taken close to "a fifth of Ukraine's post-Soviet territory," but Ukraine has vowed to fight until every Russian soldier is expelled from its land. Reuters reports that Russia has taken close to "a fifth of Ukraine's post-Soviet territory," but Ukraine has vowed to fight until every Russian soldier is expelled from its land

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well, then it looks like the Russians are very keen to win the win they sought ever since the Minsk agreements.
i think The West, Russia and Ukraine owe the rest of the world an honest answer as to why they couldn't hammer out a peace agreement along the lines of the Minsk agreements, and what specific points are preventing a peace agreement right now.

regional wars without end should be outlawed!

 

[Kilroy2]

I believe Putin wants a way out without losing face but it is probably to late. Still this will not be a win for him and he probably will be replaced soon. Biden could use the positive PR if he can make a deal.

 

[B. Kidd]

Joey has been infinitely wrong on foreign policy his whole political career.

If nothing changes, then guess what?;
nothing changes.

 

[insolent imp]

Putin is open to talks and diplomacy on Ukraine, Kremlin says

Russian President Vladimir Putin is open to talks on a possible settlement to the conflict in Ukraine and believes in a diplomatic solution, the Kremlin said on Friday after U.S. President Joe Biden suggested he was prepared to speak to the Russian leader.

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i'd like to see some diplomatically pre-vetted actual peace proposals fielded in international media.
it's one thing to claim to be ready for peace negotiations, it's a few important steps more before you actually *can* hold a peace-summit with an expected favorable outcome for all sides.

peace is a damn fine thing.

 

[multivita-man]

I believe Putin wants a way out without losing face but it is probably to late. Still this will not be a win for him and he probably will be replaced soon. Biden could use the positive PR if he can make a deal.

Neither Putin nor Zelensky can come out of this looking weak. If we cut a deal that offers Russia a way out with a large chunk of land and other concessions, Zelensky's grip on power will be tenuous and it could plunge Ukraine into political instability (which of course is what Putin wants).

The problem for Zelenksy is, Ukraine is weak without Western assistance. The Ukrainians are courageous bad-asses that have defended their turf admirably, but living without electricity and clean water in the dead of their winter over time is a paleolithic existence that's unsustainable. Moreover, we haven't given Ukraine the kinds of offensive capabilities needed to drive Russia out of Ukraine. So as it is, this is headed toward a stalemate unless Russia totally and unexpectedly folds (not likely) or we (and particularly Germany and France) really begins to step up their military and financial assistance (i.e., tanks, tanks, and more tanks).

Reading between the lines, Macron seemed to be the one pushing Biden to negotiate, which indicates to me that both Germany and France are growing weary of this conflict and want it to end, and are willing to make some hard concessions to Russia to do it. Sucks for Ukraine.

 

[B. Kidd]

Neither Putin nor Zelensky can come out of this looking weak. If we cut a deal that offers Russia a way out with a large chunk of land and other concessions, Zelensky's grip on power will be tenuous and it could plunge Ukraine into political instability (which of course is what Putin wants).

The problem for Zelenksy is, Ukraine is weak without Western assistance. The Ukrainians are courageous bad-asses that have defended their turf admirably, but living without electricity and clean water in the dead of their winter over time is a paleolithic existence that's unsustainable. Moreover, we haven't given Ukraine the kinds of offensive capabilities needed to drive Russia out of Ukraine. So as it is, this is headed toward a stalemate unless Russia totally and unexpectedly folds (not likely) or we (and particularly Germany and France) really begins to step up their military and financial assistance (i.e., tanks, tanks, and more tanks).

Reading between the lines, Macron seemed to be the one pushing Biden to negotiate, which indicates to me that both Germany and France are growing weary of this conflict and want it to end, and are willing to make some hard concessions to Russia to do it. Sucks for Ukraine.

Macron. wants it to end because we're gouging the shit out of him with the price of LNG (liquid natural gas).

At least he got a primo lobster and beef state dinner out of it and an uncomfortable elongated handshake from Sippy Cup!!

 

[B. Kidd]

Neither Putin nor Zelensky can come out of this looking weak. If we cut a deal that offers Russia a way out with a large chunk of land and other concessions, Zelensky's grip on power will be tenuous and it could plunge Ukraine into political instability (which of course is what Putin wants).

The problem for Zelenksy is, Ukraine is weak without Western assistance. The Ukrainians are courageous bad-asses that have defended their turf admirably, but living without electricity and clean water in the dead of their winter over time is a paleolithic existence that's unsustainable. Moreover, we haven't given Ukraine the kinds of offensive capabilities needed to drive Russia out of Ukraine. So as it is, this is headed toward a stalemate unless Russia totally and unexpectedly folds (not likely) or we (and particularly Germany and France) really begins to step up their military and financial assistance (i.e., tanks, tanks, and more tanks).

Reading between the lines, Macron seemed to be the one pushing Biden to negotiate, which indicates to me that both Germany and France are growing weary of this conflict and want it to end, and are willing to make some hard concessions to Russia to do it. Sucks for Ukraine.

Well, it's about da' gas, gas, gas!

 

[peacefan]

EU strikes deal on oil price cap to starve Russia's war machine

Kyiv (Ukraine) (AFP) - The EU on Friday joined the G7 in agreeing a cap on the price of Russian oil to starve the Kremlin of resources for its Ukraine war, as Vladimir Putin said strikes on Ukraine's infrastructure were "inevitable".

The price cap of $60 per barrel, previously agreed on a political level with the United States and the G7 group of wealthy democracies, will come into effect with an EU embargo on Russian crude oil from Monday.

The embargo will prevent shipments of Russian crude by tanker vessel to the EU, which account for two thirds of imports, potentially depriving Russia's war chest of billions of euros.

Poland had refused to back the price cap plan over concerns the ceiling was too high, before its ambassador to the bloc confirmed Warsaw's agreement on Friday evening, allowing the measure to be made official this weekend.

The Czech presidency of the EU and diplomats from other member states said the deal had been confirmed and that the bureaucratic procedure to bring it into effect was underway.

The price cap is designed to make it harder to bypass the sanctions by selling beyond the EU.

Poland's ambassador to the bloc, Andrzej Sados, also said Brussels would take into account Polish and Baltic state suggestions for a "painful and expensive" ninth round of sanctions against Moscow.

Infrastructure strikes 'inevitable'​

After suffering humiliating defeats during what has become the largest armed conflict in Europe since World War II, Russia began targeting Ukrainian energy infrastructure in October, causing sweeping blackouts.

President Vladimir Putin said Russian strikes on Ukrainian infrastructure were "inevitable", in his first conversation with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz since mid-September.

"Such measures have become a forced and inevitable response to Kyiv's provocative attacks on Russia's civilian infrastructure," Putin told Scholz, according to a Kremlin readout of the telephone talks.

The Kremlin leader referred in particular to the October attack on a bridge linking Moscow-annexed Crimea to the Russian mainland.

During the hour-long call, Scholz "urged the Russian president to come as quickly as possible to a diplomatic solution including the withdrawal of Russian troops", according to the German leader's spokesman Steffen Hebestreit.

Putin urged Berlin to "reconsider its approaches" and accused the West of carrying out "destructive" policies in Ukraine, the Kremlin said, stressing that its political and financial aid meant Kyiv "completely rejects the idea of any negotiations".

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky had ruled out any talks with Russia while Putin is in power shortly after the Kremlin claimed to have annexed several Ukrainian regions.

• Talks off the table -

The Kremlin also indicated Moscow was in no mood for talks over Ukraine, after US President Joe Biden said he would be willing to sit down with Putin if the Russian leader truly wanted to end the fighting.

"What did President Biden say in fact? He said that negotiations are possible only after Putin leaves Ukraine," Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters, adding Moscow was "certainly" not ready to accept those conditions.

Russia's strikes have destroyed close to half of the Ukrainian energy system and left millions in the cold and dark at the onset of winter.

In the latest estimates from Kyiv, Mykhaylo Podolyak, an adviser to Zelensky, said as many as 13,000 Ukrainian troops have died in the fighting.

Both Moscow and Kyiv are suspected of minimising their losses to avoid damaging morale.

Top US general Mark Milley last month said more than 100,000 Russian military personnel have been killed or wounded in Ukraine, with Kyiv's forces likely suffering similar casualties.

'We are not defeated'​

The fighting in Ukraine has also claimed the lives of thousands of Ukrainian civilians and forced millions to flee their homes.

Those who remain in the country have had to cope with emergency blackouts as authorities sought to relieve the pressure on the energy infrastructure.

In an attempt to boost the mood in the capital Kyiv, musicians played a classical music concert on Thursday with hundreds of LED candles lighting up the stage.

"We thought it was a good idea to save energy," Irina Mikolaenko, one of the concert's organisers, told AFP.

She said they wanted to spread "inspiration, light and love" and "tell people that we are not defeated".

Ukrainian officials have said they are expecting a new wave of Russian attacks shortly.

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[peacefan]

Ukraine says chance of Russia negotiations are ‘slim to none’ despite Putin comments



Peace negotiations between Ukraine and Russia fell apart in March and have shown little signs of being resumed.

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Seems like Ukranian willingness to engage in peacetalks could use some work too.