Beto O'Rourke says he still supports denying Texans their civil rights

[2aguy]

First, I plainly said I didn't support a ban on guns. I guess you don't speak American. What you also miss is how often each gets used. I drive just about every day, how often does the average gun owner use his gun?

As concealed carry becomes more popular here I wonder if the number of gun deaths will go up or down? We'll see I guess.

We already know.....for 27 years the number of people carrying guns in public for self defense went up by the millions....

gun murder went down 49%.

Gun crime went down 75%....

So...we already know....

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[daveman]

Thanks, I feel safer already.

Your feelings are absolutely unimportant. Nobody's going to give up their rights because you're afraid. The sooner you accept this the better.

 

[daveman]

Ahh, the slippery slope. We can't do something reasonable today because it might lead to something unreasonable at some time in the future. Got it.

Banning .223s and limiting magazine capacity are not reasonable.

 

[JusticeHammer]

O'Rourke is a commie idiot, anyone who supports him is stupid as hell.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Of course owning a nuclear weapon doesn't have a victim. Until it does.

How many people have the knowledge and money to maintain a nuke ?

 

[tyroneweaver]

The drunk Irish burglar's campaign is DOA. But a ton of out of state Dimtards will send him a bunch of money.

That’s how dems play pyramid

 

[FA_Q2]

Why do anti-gun nuts always default to nuclear weapons, as if anyone outside of governments could afford them? You know that's not going to convince normal people to give up their firearms, right?

When you cannot ground your argument in facts, you need to ground them in sensational emotional bullshit.

Ohhhh, scary nuclear weapons. You don't want your neighbor to have a nuke do you? Therefore we should regulate spoons.

 

[alang1216]

Why do anti-gun nuts always default to nuclear weapons, as if anyone outside of governments could afford them? You know that's not going to convince normal people to give up their firearms, right?

Why do gun nuts always default to "They're trying to take our guns!". The purpose of gun control, at least in my mind, is ensure guns are used safely and people who shouldn't be trusted (minors, criminals, the mentally ill, etc.) don't have access to them.

 

[alang1216]

We already know.....for 27 years the number of people carrying guns in public for self defense went up by the millions....

gun murder went down 49%.

Gun crime went down 75%....

So...we already know....

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Cause or correlation? You know the numbers better than I do but I seem to recall the crime numbers being unconnected to the gun numbers.

 

[alang1216]

Your feelings are absolutely unimportant. Nobody's going to give up their rights because you're afraid. The sooner you accept this the better.

As unimportant as yours. As I recall, the majority of people in this country support gun control. The sooner you accept this the better.

 

[alang1216]

Banning .223s and limiting magazine capacity are not reasonable.

So what is?

 

[2aguy]

As unimportant as yours. As I recall, the majority of people in this country support gun control. The sooner you accept this the better.

Because they are lied to all the time about guns and gun control.............

 

[2aguy]

Cause or correlation? You know the numbers better than I do but I seem to recall the crime numbers being unconnected to the gun numbers.

You misunderstand the point........

As more people over that 27 years bought millions of guns, and millions of Americans carried those guns in public places for self defense.......gun crime did not go up......so normal people owning guns does not increase gun crime. 27 years of experience.

What actually causes gun crime?

1) the democrat party making it a goal to attack and undermine the police...to the point the police do not want to risk their lives, their families, their pensions and their jobs....so they back off doing their jobs...we see this in the democrat party controlled cities.

2). Democrat party prosecutors, many of the big city prosecutors funded in their elections by George Soros, judges and politicians releasing known, violent gun criminals over and over again......for example.....Kim Foxx, the Soros funded Chicago prosecutor had 5 gang members on video shooting at each other on a public street....two of them left on the ground wounded and captured by police....she refused to charge any of them.....

Those two points are what have caused the increase in crime since 2015...when the democrat war on police started, and the democrat policy of releasing violent criminals went into over drive.

 

[2aguy]

So what is?

Locking up actual criminals caught with illegal guns....locking up criminals who commit crimes with guns......that is reasonable and actually works...

This is my reasonable plan....it has the benefit of actually working....

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.

This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a gun in a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....

Mass shooters


1) end gun free zones

2) get the media to stop covering mass shootings like it is the Oscars.....

3) We are already seeing this...get people who know these nuts to report these nuts....

4) Make sure the police who know these nuts arrest these nuts when they have the chance so they will pop on background checks....

What does each do to stop mass shooters....

1) keeps shooters from targeting people, since they target gun free zones.

2) The media not covering it like they are the criminal oscars deters copycats...just like they stopped covering teen suicides to stop the copycat effect

3) The only way to stop mass shooters, since they commit no other crime, is for family, coworkers and neighbors to report their violent behavior....the Odessa shooter should have felonies for the crimes he was committing but they didn't report his shooting his weapon from his front porch....

4) The Parkland shooter had 33 contacts with police and numerous contacts with police at his school.....due to Obama's "Promise Program" the police never arrested him for the felonies he committed....so he didn't pop on the background check..

 

[2aguy]

Why do gun nuts always default to "They're trying to take our guns!". The purpose of gun control, at least in my mind, is ensure guns are used safely and people who shouldn't be trusted (minors, criminals, the mentally ill, etc.) don't have access to them.

Because you are wrong.......if the goal was to ensure guns are used safely and kept out of the hands of criminals, the democrat party, the party that keeps telling us they want to ban guns, wouldn't keep releasing repeat gun offenders......criminals caught with illegal guns, criminals who are caught using illegal guns for crime.....and the same party calling for "common sense" gun control, releases these actual gun criminals over and over again, no matter how often they are captured with illegal guns...

If the goal was simply to stop criminals, they wouldn't keep releasing criminals .......

The goal is to ban and confiscate guns....one type, one category of gun at a time if necessary, but the goal is to ban gun ownership........

 

[alang1216]

Because they are lied to all the time about guns and gun control.............

By only one side of course.

 

[2aguy]

By only one side of course.

Yep........the anti-gunners lie about guns at every turn......then release violent criminals over and over again, and those criminals commit almost all of the gun crime.

 

[alang1216]

1) the democrat party making it a goal to attack and undermine the police...to the point the police do not want to risk their lives, their families, their pensions and their jobs....so they back off doing their jobs...we see this in the democrat party controlled cities.

If this was true why have there been so many police shootings when the cops often had the chance to back off?

 

[alang1216]

Because you are wrong.......if the goal was to ensure guns are used safely and kept out of the hands of criminals, the democrat party, the party that keeps telling us they want to ban guns, wouldn't keep releasing repeat gun offenders......criminals caught with illegal guns, criminals who are caught using illegal guns for crime.....and the same party calling for "common sense" gun control, releases these actual gun criminals over and over again, no matter how often they are captured with illegal guns...

If the goal was simply to stop criminals, they wouldn't keep releasing criminals .......

The goal is to ban and confiscate guns....one type, one category of gun at a time if necessary, but the goal is to ban gun ownership........

A simple solution to a complex problem is NEVER the answer.

 

[alang1216]

Yep........the anti-gunners lie about guns at every turn......then release violent criminals over and over again, and those criminals commit almost all of the gun crime.

Then they're not alone:

The bogus claims of the NRA's favorite social scientist, debunked​