Trump, the "Draft Dodger"

I'm posting this for any of our correspondents who may be too young to know what actually went on w/r/t the military draft during the 60's.

First, you need to picture Woodstock. You know, those hundreds of thousands of revelers, celebrating their music, their culture, MJ, sexual freedom, and all that. Now look closer at just the males. They were virtually all draft dodgers. Almost every single one. I personally didn't go to Woodstock because I was in the Army, stationed in RVN. (I have no regrets on that front).

Now picture the anti-war demonstrations of the same era. Those demonstrations included a few "John Kerry types" who had served for a few years, then decided to hitch their boat to the anti-war movement, mainly to access the drugs and pussy that was so abundant therein. But all the rest of them were draft dodgers - college students who were availing themselves of the "2S" deferment (you couldn't be drafted as long as you were a college student in good standing).

The fact is that just about everyone whose family was "middle class" was able to avoid of the Armed Forces one way or another, except for the occasional outlier who actually WANTED to serve, and those kids came mainly from the South. Some managed to get into the National Guard or Reserves where there was very little chance of being required to go to Vietnam. There was a period when even though you went to college, you were still subject to the draft when you graduated (before the Draft Lottery), and most of those young men figured out a way to go in as officers, thus minimizing the chances that they would ever be shot at.

Some of "us" wonder why, when so many Americans of the Boomer generation were drafted or enlisted to avoid the draft, so few politicians seem to have served. And this is why: if their parents were reasonably well off, military service could be avoided one way or another - with a physical issue, joining a cushy reserve unit, or simply delaying draft eligibility until it was very unlikely that you would be drafted.

So now we come to Donald "Bone Spurs" Trump, who avoided the draft because of a physical defect. If he had not avoided the draft because of bone spurs, it would have been something else. People in his economic stratum DID NOT SERVE unless they chose to serve. If you want to think of him as a "draft dodger," go right ahead and do it, but remember that dodging the draft at that time was something that everyone at his economic level did. One of the reasons why so many working-class men resented the draft at the time was that there were so many deferments that anyone with means could simply avoid it, and that ain't fair. That is why when the subject comes up today, "we" all say something to the effect that if there is ever a draft again, there must be NO DEFERMENTS.

In a television interview yesterday, JDV was asked to justify their criticism of Governor Walz, given Donald Trump's record of avoiding the draft. What he came up with was that Trump never lied about his draft-related choices, and Walz has lied about several important particulars of his military service.

Vance could have said, "Essentially nobody in Trump's peer group served during Vietnam unless they wanted to. There was nothing shameful or exceptional about how Trump and his family dealt with it."

But one must assume that the audience is stupid and ill-informed, so you must speak in simple generalities.

The dude who attacked McCain for being a "loser" because he spent time in HELL in a Vietnamese POW camp, the dude who attacked Walz for.... serving 24 years in the National Guard.... literally LIED and got out of military service by bribing someone/people.
 
The dude who attacked McCain for being a "loser" because he spent time in HELL in a Vietnamese POW camp, the dude who attacked Walz for.... serving 24 years in the National Guard.... literally LIED and got out of military service by bribing someone/people.
At Wharton, his class was told that 90% of their grade would be based on attendance. His classmates said that he never missed a class...or opened a book.
 
At Wharton, his class was told that 90% of their grade would be based on attendance. His classmates said that he never missed a class...or opened a book.

Yeah, all he needed to do to stay alive was turn up to class.... and he has the gall to criticize Walz... And McCain... and Haley's husband....

What a turd.
 
Yeah .. "childhood asthma," after being a lifeguard and star football player in high school. :rolleyes: Probably his "childhood stutter" and PTSD from meeting with Corn Pop too.
Asthmatics have played professional baseball. Many disqualification aren't serious hindrances to life in general.
 
No you cant fake bone spurs they require an xray you fucking retard, asthma is easy to fake all you gotta do is claim you have it while playing college football.
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I've never heard nary a one of my slightly older peers say that they were glad that they were drafted.
Yeah okay, but had anyone ever said that, in the history of the world?
 
I'm posting this for any of our correspondents who may be too young to know what actually went on w/r/t the military draft during the 60's.

First, you need to picture Woodstock. You know, those hundreds of thousands of revelers, celebrating their music, their culture, MJ, sexual freedom, and all that. Now look closer at just the males. They were virtually all draft dodgers. Almost every single one. I personally didn't go to Woodstock because I was in the Army, stationed in RVN. (I have no regrets on that front).

Now picture the anti-war demonstrations of the same era. Those demonstrations included a few "John Kerry types" who had served for a few years, then decided to hitch their boat to the anti-war movement, mainly to access the drugs and pussy that was so abundant therein. But all the rest of them were draft dodgers - college students who were availing themselves of the "2S" deferment (you couldn't be drafted as long as you were a college student in good standing).

The fact is that just about everyone whose family was "middle class" was able to avoid of the Armed Forces one way or another, except for the occasional outlier who actually WANTED to serve, and those kids came mainly from the South. Some managed to get into the National Guard or Reserves where there was very little chance of being required to go to Vietnam. There was a period when even though you went to college, you were still subject to the draft when you graduated (before the Draft Lottery), and most of those young men figured out a way to go in as officers, thus minimizing the chances that they would ever be shot at.

Some of "us" wonder why, when so many Americans of the Boomer generation were drafted or enlisted to avoid the draft, so few politicians seem to have served. And this is why: if their parents were reasonably well off, military service could be avoided one way or another - with a physical issue, joining a cushy reserve unit, or simply delaying draft eligibility until it was very unlikely that you would be drafted.

So now we come to Donald "Bone Spurs" Trump, who avoided the draft because of a physical defect. If he had not avoided the draft because of bone spurs, it would have been something else. People in his economic stratum DID NOT SERVE unless they chose to serve. If you want to think of him as a "draft dodger," go right ahead and do it, but remember that dodging the draft at that time was something that everyone at his economic level did. One of the reasons why so many working-class men resented the draft at the time was that there were so many deferments that anyone with means could simply avoid it, and that ain't fair. That is why when the subject comes up today, "we" all say something to the effect that if there is ever a draft again, there must be NO DEFERMENTS.

In a television interview yesterday, JDV was asked to justify their criticism of Governor Walz, given Donald Trump's record of avoiding the draft. What he came up with was that Trump never lied about his draft-related choices, and Walz has lied about several important particulars of his military service.

Vance could have said, "Essentially nobody in Trump's peer group served during Vietnam unless they wanted to. There was nothing shameful or exceptional about how Trump and his family dealt with it."

But one must assume that the audience is stupid and ill-informed, so you must speak in simple generalities.
The US has always allowed for exemptions for military service, even in times of the draft. The Amish, Quakers, et cetera, have always been allowed to not serve. The uber rich parents have always been able to "pay" for their kids not to serve or avoid service in the regular military. For those that couldn't use a religious exemption or buy their way out, the draft sent a lot of people into the military and having served during and after the draft, the voluntary military personnel were definitely a cut above the a good many of the dregs that were brought in.
As for those that don't want to serve, well....not everyone is cut out for that lifestyle or its inherent dangers. As for me, the strict regimented way of life, is what I needed when I was young and I embraced it, making a career out of it.
 
Pardon me for asking an inconvenient question, but if Trump really had bone spurs, why was he playing baseball for a NY Yankees AA team, after passing their physical exam, and being cleared to play at the same time he claimed to the draft board to have bone spurs? :oops:
Bone spurs can go away. My wife had them and could not walk normally for 6 months. She is fully recovered. My daughter is 30 and is now showing signs of having bone spurs in addition to her disability causing ankle issues.
 
Bone spurs often don't cause problems. I was diagnosed in 1977 and never suffered any major pain. The minor pain that resulted in the diagnosis went away after a month or so. That's why the military allowed me to complete my enlistment rather than give me an immediate medical discharge.

Is that your professional diagnosis, Doctor? My wife had a bone spur on her right foot and could not walk for about 6 months. They are NOT fun!
 
Yes, Clinton 1 deferment, Biden and Cheney 5 each. All dodgers.

Mitt Romney and Ted Nugent too. I believe being a homosexual was a get out card too, blokes going to health examinations wearing women's knickers.

Some 40,000 folk fled to Canada to avoid the draft.

Personally, I oppose military drafts.
It's a good thing since you are not an American.
 

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