Barack Obama: Putting faith out front

[midcan5]

How the Illinois senator came to embrace religion in his life. By Ariel Sabar

"It was at Trinity United Church of Christ here, in the late 1980s, that Senator Obama says he found religion. Raised in a secular household, with ancestral roots running from Islam to Baptist to atheist, Obama had grown up a skeptic. But Mr. Wright's blend of scripture and social action resonated with Obama, then a young community organizer in black neighborhoods ravaged by steel-mill closings.

And when Wright preached one Sunday about the sustaining power of hope in the face of poverty and despair, Obama says he found himself in tears."

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0716/p01s01-uspo.html

 

[Psychoblues]

Ain't it wonderful?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?

Read the speech here: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/18/politics/main3947908.shtml

Can we talk in context?

 

[midcan5]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7303987.stm

"I was reminded of the scene when Senator Barack Obama said in his speech in Philadelphia that "the most segregated hour in American life occurs on Sunday morning".

When it comes to race, religion and even class, America, the great melting pot, is still an archipelago of hundreds of tribes living largely separate lives in their own communities."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/19/o...1206072000&en=cf4c719ccbd9feb0&ei=5087%0A

"He rightly struck back at right-wing hysteria-mongers. “Talk-show hosts and conservative commentators built entire careers unmasking bogus claims of racism,” he said, “while dismissing legitimate discussions of racial injustice and inequality as mere political correctness or reverse racism.”"

Obama’s warning about race in America was redolent of Eugene O’Neill’s observation about Ireland: “There is no present or future,” O’Neill said, “only the past happening over and over again.”"

 

[Gunny]

How the Illinois senator came to embrace religion in his life. By Ariel Sabar

"It was at Trinity United Church of Christ here, in the late 1980s, that Senator Obama says he found religion. Raised in a secular household, with ancestral roots running from Islam to Baptist to atheist, Obama had grown up a skeptic. But Mr. Wright's blend of scripture and social action resonated with Obama, then a young community organizer in black neighborhoods ravaged by steel-mill closings.

And when Wright preached one Sunday about the sustaining power of hope in the face of poverty and despair, Obama says he found himself in tears."

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0716/p01s01-uspo.html

Sorry, but Obama's religious belief is irrelevant to being the President of the US. IF he is going to run on it, then he's in the same boat as Huckabee that you lefties were wailing and gnashing teeth about so how about applying the same standard to your own you do the opposition?

What's more important is his political record smacks of amateurism from top to bottom.

 

[M14 Shooter]

How the Illinois senator came to embrace religion in his life. By Ariel Sabar

Funny...
When a liberal talks about how he embraced God, the liberals fawn...
When a conservative/Republican does it, he is villified, belittled and mocked.

 

[Ravi]

Funny...
When a liberal talks about how he embraced God, the liberals fawn...
When a conservative/Republican does it, he is villified, belittled and mocked.

I have to agree with you here. It is very hypocritical.

 

[mattskramer]

Funny...
When a liberal talks about how he embraced God, the liberals fawn...
When a conservative/Republican does it, he is villified, belittled and mocked.

Now that is a gross over-generalization and absurd straw-man if I ever saw one.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Now that is a gross over-generalization and absurd straw-man if I ever saw one.

Sure it is. Democrats can politic from the pulpit and no one bats an eye, A republican even goes near a church while running and he is a fundamentalist bent on forcing us all to follow HIS faith.

A Democrat can openly discuss how and why he "got" religion and all is fine. A Republican even mention religion and he is again, a Fundamentalist bent on forcing all to his church.

A Democrat can invoke God and all is fine, A Republican even seen praying in silence is hounded about the "separation of Church and State".

Double standard every way there is.

 

[AllieBaba]

A Democrat can preach hatred of Americans and whites from an allegedly Christian pulpit..and that's A-OK. So long as he's not preaching the values of moral behavior, the evil of despotic behavior, or preaching against killing babies. THOSE things are signs of a rabid zealot.

 

[midcan5]

Funny...
When a liberal talks about how he embraced God, the liberals fawn...
When a conservative/Republican does it, he is villified, belittled and mocked.

That may be true but then again maybe we need to understand the source and the whys. Consider Billy Graham for instance, could it be that some things are different.

""I wanna attack another country! Call the Evangelist!" And Billy would come, and they'd pray together, and lo! There would be an attack! In Vietnam, Afghanistan, Kuwait and Iraq to name but a few, each one with the blessing of the Reverend Billy. Millions of innocent people have been slain with the permission of the Christian pastor.

'Thou Shalt not Kill'. That's one of the top ten commandments Moses brought down from the mountain after his chat with God. Jesus endorsed that commandment, and went further, making unwarranted anger and derision of others even more serious.

So, just because Mr. Graham is not the one to pull the trigger - if he merely condones the sending of his brethren to a far off country to kill or be killed does that remove him from the culpability? Or does it not make him the one called for valued advice because he is considered a 'holy' man, and who gave his approval for the slaughter an enemy of the Man of Peace he claims to represent?"

http://www.counterpunch.org/dickinson07062005.html

 

[midcan5]

A Democrat can preach hatred of Americans and whites from an allegedly Christian pulpit..and that's A-OK. So long as he's not preaching the values of moral behavior, the evil of despotic behavior, or preaching against killing babies. THOSE things are signs of a rabid zealot.

And who might that democrat be? Examples please, I need to understand what you mean by 'hate' as I'm sure it is something different than hate.

 

[mattskramer]

A Democrat can preach hatred of Americans and whites from an allegedly Christian pulpit..and that's A-OK. So long as he's not preaching the values of moral behavior, the evil of despotic behavior, or preaching against killing babies. THOSE things are signs of a rabid zealot.

No. It is not okay according to many people. Obama’s pastor is being severely criticized for it (as if you have not noticed).

 

[mattskramer]

Sure it is. Democrats can politic from the pulpit and no one bats an eye, A republican even goes near a church while running and he is a fundamentalist bent on forcing us all to follow HIS faith.

A Democrat can openly discuss how and why he "got" religion and all is fine. A Republican even mention religion and he is again, a Fundamentalist bent on forcing all to his church.

A Democrat can invoke God and all is fine, A Republican even seen praying in silence is hounded about the "separation of Church and State".

Double standard every way there is.

There is no double standard. There might be a slight difference but it only amounts to "bean counting”. Both sides have done it and both sides have been criticized for it.

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200801/POL20080103b.html

 

[M14 Shooter]

That may be true but then again maybe we need to understand the source...

Yes, I'm sure you can rationalize your partisan doube-standard in any number of ways.

 

[midcan5]

Yes, I'm sure you can rationalize your partisan doube-standard in any number of ways.

You must realize by now that your answers are always childish non answers. You always avoid the question which is part of the 'conservative personality' but it is still interesting to see it in action. Does he have the right? Sorry I couldn't resist.

 

[M14 Shooter]

You must realize by now that your answers are always childish non answers.

So, you agree -- paritsan hypocricy is childish.
Why then do you excuse it when your side practices it?