Obama will be blackmailed (possibly many times)

[Gord]

AND AGAIN the 15% tax bracket did NOT GET A 2% REDUCTION for their entire income bracket.............please look it up!!!!!

care

Everybody got a tax break. Everybody benefited. The early recession of Bush's first term which was inhereted from the Clinton administration was cut short. The economy benefited. The markets benefited. Government revenues went up. Employment went up. Unemployment went down. Real wages went up. The early inflationary threat was overcome. Bush's tax cut was a win/win for everybody. Well everybody except Democrats who like to increase taxes and tell everybody that tax cuts are bad.

But really, even if there was a variation in the amount between different brackets, what would you think would be the most reasonable response? To eliminate Bush's tax cuts altogether as Democrats have been threatening to do? Or to reduce those taxes even more for the uneven brackets? Well obviously when looking at all of the benefits of Bush's tax cuts the proper response is to lower them more, especially with a weak economy. But what do the Democrats want to do? They want to tax the hell out an economy that is already staggering! Tell me how that makes sense...

 

[del]

You underestimate my ability to get under a moderator's skin even though I am almost always polite and virtually never break the rules. The last place I got banned it was for posting a couple of lists a couple times. The moderator (a liberal) insisted it was breaking the rules. So then I asked him why a few of the liberals on the board were allowed to post and repost the same doctored photos of Bush over and over again? He incredibly said he didn't know about them and demanded I provide links. I told him I wasn't going to do his job for him. And when I asked him to produce the rule against multiple identicle posts, he couldn't (there was no rule). So he said it was because it was "annoying" other posters. So I asked which posters, and of course there were no posters. In the end I was permanently banned for finally getting frustrated with this guy and telling him to screw off and leave me alone. But I knew I was going to be banned long before it actually happened...

you're awesome

 

[Gord]

you're awesome

 

[Angel Heart]

Link?

Barack Obama : Infanticide Bill

[youtube]VIdbYjmbFzo[/youtube]

 

[Gord]

Barack Obama : Infanticide Bill

[youtube]VIdbYjmbFzo[/youtube]

Thanks for the video Angel Heart.


(But your enabling Gunny's laziness... )

 

[Angel Heart]

Thanks for the video Angel Heart.


(But your enabling Gunny's laziness... )

I've known Gunny for MANY years... He wouldn't of looked it up.

 

[Gord]

I've known Gunny for MANY years... He wouldn't of looked it up.

I really don't know him at all - but he made clear to me that he is just a lazy loudmouth from the sidelines.

 

[KMAN]

Apparently America learned nothing from Bill Clinton as president. Despite placing the presidency in a position to be blackmailed Democrats rallied to president Clinton's defense instead of defending the security of the country and removing him from office. Now Obama has appointed many of the same enablers from the Clinton administration to key areas of his own administration that brought us the tech stock bubble bust, the Enron, Tyco, Worldcom, Global Crossing, etc. fiascoes, a recession, and the "Wall" which he erected between the FBI, the NSA and the CIA so they could not share information and dig into Clinton's Chinese money-laundering, and which led to the security intel failure of 9/11. Barack Obama comes to the office of the presidency carrying more baggage than a jumbo jet, and is so dishonest he makes Bill Clinton look like a saint. Not only is he unprepared to be president, but dangerous as well. Please closely examine the following three lists then ask yourself if you think America is safe in this man's hands:

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First is a list of negative and radical attributes of Barack Obama and potential problem areas in his history:

He has no executive experience of any kind

He has associated with radicals his whole life

He has no loyalty to those he has previously called friends and mentors

There are legitimate questions as to whether he actually wrote his two autobiography's as he claims

There are serious doubts as to his meeting the constitutional requirements to be POTUS

He attended and exposed his children to a church full of cheering racists and America haters

He is now appointing the same people who brought us the tech bubble bust, the Enron, Tyco, Worldcom, Global Crossing, etc. fiascoes and recession

He was willing to surrender Iraq to al Qaeda and certain civil war

He says one thing to one group of people and another thing to another group of people

He was the most liberal senator in a group of extreme liberals

He defended infanticide and then denied doing so

He is not upfront about what he plans to do with NAFTA, telling unions one thing, and Canadian officials another

He wants to bring foreign terrorists to America to be tried with constitutional guarantees

His "new tone" equals mocking a former first lady for something she never did in his very first press conference as president elect

He claimed the constitution is defective

He wants to institute censorship of conservatives through a program called localization

He wants to rescind union secret ballot voting and allow unions to intimidate those who do not support them

He is willing to talk with totalitarian leaders without requirements, giving them equal standing to allies

He wants to reduce military spending when it needs to be increased

He will not support energy independence

He believes in instituting a carbon cap and trade system and raising taxes that will hamper any likelihood of an economic recovery

He wants to institute a universal health care program that has proven to be a disaster wherever it has been tried

He has a number of issues where blackmail may be a problem

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This second list is of areas of Obama's history that have been kept secret that contain potential blackmail problems:

Can't see original vault certificate of live birth

Can't investigate Kenyan birth records

Can't interview Kenyan relatives

Can't inquire about his adoption by step father Lolo Soetoro

Can't inquire about his time in Indonesia

Can't see his student grades

Can't see his student writings

Can't inquire about his admitted attending of "socialist conferences"

Can't inquire about his mysterious trip to Pakistan when American passports were denied entry

Can't inquire about his time as a "community organizer"

Can't see his legal cases

Can't see his state legislative records

Can't see his small donors list

Can't see his medical records

Can't see his Annenberg Challenge records without them being sanitized first

Can't inquire about his connection to Raila Odinga, the Kenyan election and the hundreds of murders by Odinga's supporters

Can't ask about his associations

Can't see a supposedly innocent video of Obama at a dinner party

Can't inquire about his shadow "Obama/Biden Transition Project"

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And third is the Obama scoundrel list. It is an incredible list of all the nefarious characters that have been a part of Barack Obama's life and illustrates his complete lack of judgment. The potential that some of these people or others associated with these people may attempt to blackmail a president Obama is extremely high. For some it may just be looking for paybacks for favors provided Obama during his time in Chicago machine politics. For others it may be much more serious, right up to threats from radical Islamists. This list is absolutely scary:

Obama's grandparents and mother
Communist sympathizers

Frank Marshall Davis - teenage Obama's mentor and possible biological father
Communist and child molester

Michelle Obama - wife
Very bitter outlook on life and America, segregationist

Saul Alinsky - Obama learned community organizing under proselytes of Alinsky
Communist sympathizer, radical political disruption, wrote Rules for Radicals

Acorn - community organization Obama associated with in his organizing days
Known for widespread voter fraud and promoting the affirmative mortgage programs that have led to the worldwide financial meltdown

Tony Rezko - financial backer and personal friend
Felon, slumlord and part of the Chicago machine politics

William Ayers - friend, political mentor, probably wrote Obama's two books
Started Weather Underground, unrepentant domestic terrorist, hates America

Bernadine Dohrn - partner of William Ayers
Domestic terrorist, hates America

Jeremiah Wright - spiritual mentor of Barack for 20 years
Black liberation theology (communism), racist, hates America, anti-Semite

Jeremiah Wright's church - Obama's church
A congregation that cheers America bashing and racism and adheres to Black liberation theology (communism)

Khalid al-Mansour - patron, facilitated Obama's law schooling
Started Black Panthers, hates America, anti-Semite

Rashid Khalidi - friend, Obamas babysat his children
Pro-Palestinian anti-Semite, supports suicide bombing

Father Michael Pfleger - another spiritual mentor and friend
Hates America, anti-Semite

James Meeks - another spiritual mentor
Racist

Raila Odinga - Muslim, Kenyan presidential candidate in 2007 supported and advised by Obama
His supporters murdered 1,500 and displaced 600,000, also promised to institute sharia law

Franklin Raines/Jim Johnson - Former heads of Fannie Mae, advisors to Obama's campaign, raised money for Obama
Both have been singled out for impropriety and a leading cause of the current world financial meltdown

Louis Farrakhan - head of the Nation of Islam, friend of Wright and Pfleger, organized Million Man March that Obama attended
Hates America, racist, anti-Semite

Cynthia K Miller - Obama's senate campaign treasurer
Member of Nation of Islam, racist, anti-Semite

Jennefer Mason - Obama's Director of Constituent Services
Member of Nation of Islam, racist, anti-Semite

Shakir Muhammad - Obama senate campaign consultant
Member of Nation of Islam, racist, anti-Semite

Kenny Gamble (also known as Luqman Abdul-Haqq) - cut the ribbon to the Obama campaign headquarters housed in a South Philadelphia building he owns - self-styled "amir" of the United Muslim Movement, he has many links to Islamist organizations, including CAIR and the Muslim Alliance in North America. (MANA's "amir" is Siraj Wahhaj, an unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.)
Racist, anti-Semite

Mazen Asbahi - Obama campaign's first Muslim outreach coordinator, associated with Hamas funding
Racist, anti-Semite

Minha Husaini - Obama campaign's second Muslim outreach coordinator, has publicly supported Hamas and Hizbullah
Racist, anti-Semite

Robert Malley - Obama campaign advisor and diplomatic adviser
Hamas sympathizer

Marilyn Katz - Obama fundraising bundler
Leader of SDS which spawned the Weather Underground, radical advocate of violent protest

Abongo (Roy) Obama - Barack's brother
Marxist, radical Muslim, anti-Semite

Zeituni Onyango - Obama's aunt
Illegal immigrant

Sonal Shah - transition team adviser
Connected with a Hindu organization believed to have been involved in the massacre of over 2,000 Muslims in Gujarat

Valerie Jarrett - longtime friend and advisor of Barack Obama
Connected to Tony Rezko, working with him as a board member overseeing Rezko housing projects that have been found to be substandard with squalid living conditions

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Anybody who can objectively look at these lists should be alarmed. If you are not, then you are a Kool Aid drinking fool...

(For those who rightly oppose Barack Obama's presidency I suggest you save a shortcut to this post and invite you to freely link to it when Obama supporters attempt to defend him as competent to be president. I also suggest you copy and paste these lists to any other message boards you post on and email it to your family and friends and suggest that they email it to theirs.)

Gord

Liberal Response: So what...

Liberal Response if this was about Bush: That Bush is a liar, Nazi War Monger etc... and should be impeached immediately...

 

[Modbert]

Conservative Response when it came to Bush: So what...

Conservative Response since this is about Obama: That Obama is a liar, Marxist, Terrorist, Illegal Immigrant, extremist, etc... and should be impeached immediately...

Fixed for you fool.

I took a glance at that massive copypasta list, most of it was bullshit, lies, mischaracterizations. If I wanted to waste my time, it'd be better spent hitting my hand with a hammer because even if Obama was proven right eventually; Republicans will just blame him for anything bad (along with Clinton) and give all the credit to Bush.

 

[Gord]

I took a glance at that massive copypasta list, most of it was bullshit, lies, mischaracterizations.

It is not a "copypasta list". I researched every entry - unlike you. There are no "bullshit, lies, mischaracterizations".

 

[Modbert]

Well, I changed my mind and feel like putting a partisan hack in his place so here I go: (Oh, and I love how ALL of this is unsourced)

Most of what you say about Clinton is bullshit (Enron is Bush's fault by the way) and the "wall" which of you speak of was because of Nixon. Meanwhile, Bush took so much inaction before 9/11.

1.) Executive experience was required since when? Last I checked, John McCain didn't have any. Besides, the last President with "Executive Experience" was Dubya. So lets face it, we don't need a president with any of that at the moment.

2.) Guilty by Association? Jesus, I guess that makes everybody in the entire world bad people.

3.) He has loyalty to his friends and mentors but he doesn't go lock and step with the others who have views he disagrees with.

4.) He wrote his books, it's claims like these that you get in the conspiracy forum.

5.) Again, he meets the Constitutional requirements to POTUS and you have not proven he was born outside the U.S.

6.) Rev. Wright wasn't all wrong. The only part you can really disagree with is the more extremist things like the god damn America and maybe the whole AIDS portion of what he said. He was right on many things though.

7. Again, no.

8.) He was never willing to surrender Iraq. Even Bush admits that Al Qaeda was not in Iraq until WE INVADED. So epic fail on that. Besides, whether we leave 1 or 100 years from now; Iraq will have a civil war even if there is a government in place unless you start killing off one side of people there.

9.) Again, no; but nice try. No double talk.

10.) Cause I suppose extreme Liberals vote for FISA? Besides, he was voted most Liberal perhaps because he disagreed with Bush's policies more then anyone? Which taken into context, is great.

11.) Again, wrong.

12.) The whole Canadian officals story was later proven false; again epic fail.

13.) He wants to bring respect to America by giving these terrorists a trial after 7+ years and by doing so will bring somewhat closure to these families affected.

14.) Take his first press conference out of what it was all you want, he already apologized. It took Bush about 6-8 years to do that for any of his misakes.

15.) News Flash: Constitution isn't perfect. And link?

16.) He's not taking away your precious Rush and Hannity; calm down.

17.) Again, wrong on the unions.

18.) Again, take his views out of context all you want; the truth is out there. Besides, mind naming what allies we have exactly? Saudi Arabia and Pakistan who have even worse human right records then Saddam? The Democratic Republic of Congo? Iceland? Canada and U.K; both countries who gave little troops to Iraq and are withdrawing.

19.) He wants to reduce irrational military spending. We spend too much when compared to the second highest military spender (China) and get less for our buck.

20.) One of his main goals is energy independence; epic fail is you.

21.) Again, he's not going to hamper economic recovery but thanks for playing.

22.) America is one of the few countries that are better then 3rd world to NOT USE Universal Health Care. Obviously it works, and it's a injustice to have 40 million Americans uninsured in the "richest nation on earth".

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Part 2:

1.) You can thank Hawaii for that, they have it; not him.

2.) No such thing.

3.) You can, how about George Obama? Oh wait, he's already said that the right wing smear machine has told lies about his life by saying he lives on $1 a day,etc.

4.) Private matter, you want something out of him you'd ask from no other President.

5.) Private matter, you want something out of him you'd ask from no other President.

6.) Private matter, you want something out of him you'd ask from no other President.

7.) Private matter, you want something out of him you'd ask from no other President.

8.) I can read Mein Kampf, doesn't make me a nazi. It's calling seeing what the other side has to say; what makes them tick in order to understand them better.

9.) Private matter, you want something out of him you'd ask from no other President.

10.) Private matter, you want something out of him you'd ask from no other President.

11.) Private matter, you want something out of him you'd ask from no other President.

12.) Sure you can see his voting record.

13.) One of the most valuable things in America (his small donors list). The Republican Party would drink it's own pee to get it's hands on such a list.

14.) Private matter, you want something out of him you'd ask from no other President. Besides, he has already had a medical health evaluation of him released. His only problem really is smoking which won't affect him for the next 8 years; most likely 28 years from now.

15.) Inside the Obama Ayers Chicago Annenberg Challenge Records : NO QUARTER

Epic fail

16.) Links to such things about the Kenyan Prime Minister? Furthermore, you're going to blame Obama for RAILA'S SUPPORTERS?

17.) Sure you can, Obama has answered many questions on such associations.

18.) Link?

19.) Private matter, you want something out of him you'd ask from no other President. I don't see you asking for the minutes from Cheney and Bush's meeting with companies like Hailburton; the first people they met in the White House after he took office.

20.) Again, no shadow but try again.

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Part Three:

1.) How do you define Communist Sympathizer? People who don't want them dead? Communism and Socialism are two different things. Milwaukee voted in three socialist mayors past 1910 by the way which helped make Milwaukee the successful city it is today.

2.) He was a influence on helping Obama find his present identity as a African American. He was not a political influence. Furthermore, stop playing petty Jerry Springer games. This is why your bullshit is in the conspiracy forum. I'm also pretty sure Frank wasn't a child molestor.

3.) You can't prove such things about Michelle wanting to seperate whites/blacks and has shown no evidence of such. Is there something wrong with people supposedly having bitter outlooks on life and America? She has neither by the way.

4.) Several great people used Saul's methods in community organzing. That is not to say that Obama didn't have other influences.

5.) Again, trying to link Acorn and Obama is bullshit.

6.) Tony Rezko and the Obama connection already has been well refuted.

7.) William Ayers? Really? You're going to dig that deep into the barrel? Try again.

8.) See #7

9.) See earlier comments on Wright. Jeremiah Wright controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is the full context that you harp on:

The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, not God Bless America. God damn America — that's in the Bible — for killing innocent people. God damn America, for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America, as long as she tries to act like she is God, and she is supreme. The United States government has failed the vast majority of her citizens of African descent

For all the things I bolded, the sad thing is he's mostly right.

10.) See #9.

11.) Newsmax.com – Who is Khalid al-Mansour?

12.) Care to comment on the fact McCain gave money to Rashid Khalidi?

13.) Michael Pfleger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

14.) James Meeks is not racist but try again. He also just won reelection in 2006 for the Ill senate.

15.) We already been over this.

16.) And where are you commenting on McCain's lobbyest filled campaign? Furthermore, I didn't know having money raised for you and taking advice made you a criminal.

17.) Really? REALLY? You're going after the Million Man March? How fucking desperate.

18,19,20.) People can be part of whatever religion they like. Any proof they are racist/anti-semites?

21,22,23,24) Just wondering, if someone is a member of Islam do you automatically put the words Anti-Semite and Race to their names? Also, links.

25.) I'm not even going to address Weather Underground for the 4th time in this thread.

26.) Any evidence that he has major connections other then the fact they have the same father?

27.) Really, going after his Aunt who is currently in court trying to stay in America? Desperate.

28.) Innocent before Proven Guilty as with many people on this list. Connections do not mean guilty but try again.

29.) See #28.

For those of you who want to use these mischaracterizations, bullshit, and lies as talking points; be my guest. However, expect to be shown as a fool for doing so. It's a sad fact that people like Gord have to attack Obama because they can't attack him personally. He's not a idiot like Bush; he's not a womanizer, he has no criminal record, he has admitted upfront to what drugs he has used, he went to college on his own merits,etc.

So when one cannot attack the merits of one's character; they go after people they either are family, friends/former friends, or associated with.

All in all, nice and try for this giant copypasta post of yours; but to sum it up:

 

[Modbert]

I took a glance at that massive copypasta list, most of it was bullshit, lies, mischaracterizations.

It is not a "copypasta list". I researched every entry - unlike you. There are no "bullshit, lies, mischaracterizations".

Researched but no links; why not include links?

There are plenty of bullshit, lies, and mischaracterizations.

 

[Gord]

I took a glance at that massive copypasta list, most of it was bullshit, lies, mischaracterizations.

It is not a "copypasta list". I researched every entry - unlike you. There are no "bullshit, lies, mischaracterizations".

Researched but no links; why not include links?

There are plenty of bullshit, lies, and mischaracterizations.

You think you can write out a response to months of work in half an hour and have any credibility?

 

[Modbert]

It is not a "copypasta list". I researched every entry - unlike you. There are no "bullshit, lies, mischaracterizations".

Researched but no links; why not include links?

There are plenty of bullshit, lies, and mischaracterizations.

You think you can write out a response to months of work in half an hour and have any credibility?

The fact that you wasted months of your time only to be taken down in a half an hour of work on my part is a testament that you suck at research.

 

[Gord]

Researched but no links; why not include links?

There are plenty of bullshit, lies, and mischaracterizations.

You think you can write out a response to months of work in half an hour and have any credibility?

The fact that you wasted months of your time only to be taken down in a half an hour of work on my part is a testament that you suck at research.

The fact that you think you took down anything without bothering to research any of it tells me you are a liberal...

 

[Modbert]

You think you can write out a response to months of work in half an hour and have any credibility?

The fact that you wasted months of your time only to be taken down in a half an hour of work on my part is a testament that you suck at research.

The fact that you think you took down anything without bothering to research any of it tells me you are a liberal...

Who says I didn't research this? If you haven't noticed nub, I've been here for several months and already have debated too many times to count on 2/3 of this bullshit.

I know most of these bullshit attacks by the Right by heart now.

Go back to your corner and cry.

 

[Gord]

The fact that you wasted months of your time only to be taken down in a half an hour of work on my part is a testament that you suck at research.

The fact that you think you took down anything without bothering to research any of it tells me you are a liberal...

Who says I didn't research this? If you haven't noticed nub, I've been here for several months and already have debated too many times to count on 2/3 of this bullshit.

I know most of these bullshit attacks by the Right by heart now.

Go back to your corner and cry.

You already explained your debate technique:

You "took a glance" at the lists and dismissed them.

You are a typical liberal. You spout Democrat talking points and never think to actually check them out for yourself.

Come back when you grow up...

 

[Modbert]

You already explained your debate technique:

You "took a glance" at the lists and dismissed them.

You are a typical liberal. You spout Democrat talking points and never think to actually check them out for yourself.

Come back when you grow up...

I dismissed them as bullshit, but then realized that I might as well go ahead and refute them. Did you miss my massive post? I assume you can see.

You are a typical idiot. You sprout Republican Hate Machine talking points, and never think for yourself. You need Fox News to tell you how to think and what to say.

Come back when you grow a brain.

I criticize the Democratic Party just as easily as the Republican party when they screw up. It's why, unlike you I am a member of no political party. Get with the program and get your facts right.

 

[Gord]

You already explained your debate technique:

You "took a glance" at the lists and dismissed them.

You are a typical liberal. You spout Democrat talking points and never think to actually check them out for yourself.

Come back when you grow up...

I dismissed them as bullshit, but then realized that I might as well go ahead and refute them. Did you miss my massive post? I assume you can see.

You are a typical idiot. You sprout Republican Hate Machine talking points, and never think for yourself. You need Fox News to tell you how to think and what to say.

Come back when you grow a brain.

I criticize the Democratic Party just as easily as the Republican party when they screw up. It's why, unlike you I am a member of no political party. Get with the program and get your facts right.

The only thing you refuted was that you think for yourself.

 

[DiveCon]

Well, I changed my mind and feel like putting a partisan hack in his place so here I go: (Oh, and I love how ALL of this is unsourced)

Most of what you say about Clinton is bullshit (Enron is Bush's fault by the way) and the "wall" which of you speak of was because of Nixon. Meanwhile, Bush took so much inaction before 9/11.

<snipped nonsense>

how in the FUCK was Enron Bush's fault?
you prove once again how much of a partisan fucking asshole you are
enron happened under Clinton and was PROSECUTED under Bush
you are a fucking IDIOT