Trump Attacks Bush For Speaking Out On Sept. 11 Against Violent Extremists

[Meathead]

You kids and that childish "Brandon" crap.
Grow the fuck up already!

We only do it because you get so petulant.

Let's Go Brandon!

 

[NotfooledbyW]

nf.23.05.11 #8,818

No. Bush made the UN inspectors leave Iraq. Kerry Biden, Clinton and I supported giving them more time to avoid the necessity of invading to disarm. Bush listened to his white evangelical Christian warmongers. Did you read the Land Letter.


The Land letter was a letter sent to U.S. President George W. Bush by five evangelical Christian leaders on October 3, 2002, outlining their support for a just war pre-emptive invasion of Iraq. As its foundation for support, the letter refers to the "criteria of just war theory as developed by Christian theologians in the late fourth and early fifth centuries A.D."[1] The letter was written by Richard D. Land, president of the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention. It was co-signed by:

• Chuck Colson, founder of Prison Fellowship Ministries
• Bill Bright, chairman of the Christian organization Cru
• James Kennedy, president of Coral Ridge Ministries, and
• Carl D. Herbster, president of the American Association of Christian Schools[1]

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Richard D. Land

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Bill Bright

The letter asserted that a pre-emptive invasion of Iraq met the criteria of traditional 'just war' theory because:

• such an action would be defensive
• the intent is found to be just and noble. The United States does not intend to 'destroy, conquer, or exploit Iraq'
• it is a last resort because Saddam Hussein had a record of attacking his neighbors, of the 'headlong pursuit and development of biochemical and nuclear weapons of mass destruction' and their use against his own people, and harboring al-Qaeda terrorists
• it is authorized by a legitimate authority, namely the United States
• it has limited goals
• it has reasonable expectation of success
• non-combatant immunity would be observed
• it meets the criteria of proportionality—the human cost on both sides would be justified by the intended outcome

thvhwk.23.05.12
#8,819

Never heard of any of those pastors and could care less, that is not why we went to war. Dems just pretended they were against it. The proof is in their actions. They voted for it, then when Obama got in he didn’t pull out of Iraq like he promised. Then started more wars like bombing the Libyan government out of existence, another country that never attacked us and was not threat. I noticed you didn’t address any of that.

There was no “coup” or “revolution” on J6. It was a mostly peaceful protest, where only unarmed protesters were murdered by the government

White Christian Nationalist Irrationality was not created by Trump nor will it die or be imprisoned with Trump.

It’s being exploited by Putin as we speak on Ukraine as probably his best and most effective weapon in his ultimate war against the liberal ideology that created Western Democracy as we know it and value it..

Most White Evangelical Christian nationalists have no faith in it since RvW.

nf.23.10.01 #222

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Never heard of any of those pastors and could care less, that is not why we went to war. Dems just pretended they were against it. The proof is in their actions. They voted for it, then when Obama got in he didn’t pull out of Iraq like he promised. Then started more wars like bombing the Libyan government out of existence, another country that never attacked us and was not threat. I noticed you didn’t address any of that.

There was no “coup” or “revolution” on J6. It was a mostly peaceful protest, where only unarmed protesters were murdered by the government

strvth.23.10,01
#217

Um of course it did, read the Authorization for the Use of Force Xiden voted for giving Bush the authority to go in…it’s literally listed as one id the reasons

The 2002 AUMF Introduced full scale ground invasion. There was no contemplation of putting US boots on the ground ever before trrr.01.09.11

nf..23.10.01 #223

 

[struth]

strvth.23.10,01
#217


The 2002 AUMF Introduced full scale ground invasion. There was no contemplation of putting US boots on the ground ever before trrr.01.09.11

nf..23.10.01 #223

yes it did, and as I said the Clinton law, that made it our policy to remove Saddam was part of the reason Xiden voted to authorize Bush to use groud forces.

Certainly it was contemplate that ground forces might be needed at some point if that was our policy and other measures didn't work.

In fact the act authorized military personal to be in Iraq, in helping training, a providing equipment to those fighting against Saddam. See section 4(a)(2) of it.

 

[August West]

Was the authorization before or after 700 sites were searched and no WMDS were found? What anyone said or did in 1998 became meaningless.

 

[struth]

Was the authorization before or after 700 sites were searched and no WMDS were found? What anyone said or did in 1998 became meaningless.

hahah of course it wasn't meaningless, it was still our policy. Did Xiden or any dems move to resend that law? No. Why? Because things with Saddam didn't get any better. In fact, in 2002, they by in large voted to give the President to use more military authority to overthrow Saddam

 

[NotfooledbyW]

nf.14.07.09 vrvq
#408

If you read the actual AUMF you would know why. Because Saddam Hussen was in violation of international law since 1998 when he did not allow inspectors into Iraq.

The trouble for Bush defenders is that from December 2002 on, SH did allow inspectors in and that meant SH was not in violation of his disarmament obligations and international law.

You cannot blame Democrats for Bush's lone decision to force peaceful inspections to end thereby choosing to disarm Iraq that was disarmed by war and death and destruction.

Bush was the Decider remember? That was not a Democrat decision.

strvth.23.10.01
#224

Certainly it was contemplate that ground forces might be needed at some point if that was our policy and other measures didn't work.

gayest.23.10.01
#225

Was the authorization before or after 700 sites were searched and no WMDS were found? What anyone said or did in 1998 became meaningless.

The only time US boots on the ground would have ever gone into Bagdad to remove SH from power was after the 9/11 attack which SH had absolutely nothing to do with.

September 2002 Cheney was pushing ground invasion and wanted nothing to do with the UN or needing an AUMF to launch the overthrow of SH.

The Brits and US were bombing Iraq all summer 2002.

Tony Blair could not go into Iraq without giving Saddam Hussein a last chance to disarm through you and inspections. That’s why Bush decided to get a new AUMF.

nf.23.10.01 #227

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Trump Attacks Bush For Speaking Out On Sept. 11 Against Violent Extremists

The 45th president says the 43rd president “shouldn’t be lecturing anybody.”

www.yahoo.com

W Bush walked away from him yesterday --

Trump Attacks Bush For Speaking Out On Sept. 11 Against Violent Extremists

David Moye
Mon, September 13, 2021, 5:52 PM

Donald Trump isn’t very happy about the speech George W. Bush made on Sept. 11 condemning violent extremism here and abroad.
In fact, he went ballistic against his fellow former president in a statement released Monday in which he said the 43rd president “shouldn’t be lecturing anybody.”

Although Bush did draw a parallel between foreign and domestic extremists in Saturday’s speech, he did not explicitly mention the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol by Trump supporters or Trump himself.

Still, Trump took it as a personal attack. So he hit back hard, pointing out that Bush is responsible “for getting us into the quicksand of the Middle East (and then not winning!)”
Trump then attacked Bush for lecturing that “terrorists on the ‘right’ are a bigger problem than those from foreign countries that hate America, and that are pouring into our Country right now.”

David Moye
Mon, September 13, 2021, 5:52 PM·2 min read
In this article:

Donald Trump
45th President of the United States

George W. Bush
43rd president of the United States

Donald Trump isn’t very happy about the speech George W. Bush made on Sept. 11 condemning violent extremism here and abroad.

In fact, he went ballistic against his fellow former president in a statement released Monday in which he said the 43rd president “shouldn’t be lecturing anybody.”

Although Bush did draw a parallel between foreign and domestic extremists in Saturday’s speech, he did not explicitly mention the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol by Trump supporters or Trump himself.

Still, Trump took it as a personal attack. So he hit back hard, pointing out that Bush is responsible “for getting us into the quicksand of the Middle East (and then not winning!)”

Trump then attacked Bush for lecturing that “terrorists on the ‘right’ are a bigger problem than those from foreign countries that hate America, and that are pouring into our Country right now.”

Trump loves his violent extremists. Like the terrorist proud boys.

 

[sartre play]

Wars that most Americans enthusiastically supported when they started.

But you leave that part out.

I remember, after 911 we went insane, those who did not want that war were called Unamerican & not Patriot. That's when the revenge gang started wearing AMERICAN flags in & on there bodies, You know calling them self's the real Americans.
& MANY BUCKLED, including our elected officials. And so we got war,
we got too many dead & wounded Americans,
a 20 year war, at a cost of billions with no good results.
And there using the same tactic again. in a new cause.

 

[surada]

That is the inconvenient truth that the left doesn't want to hear.

They love to talk about the Iraq war being Bush's nightmare, he lied about WMD, etc. But when confronted with a dozen quotes of liberals saying he had WMD's and would use them, and the fact that liberals signed off on that war, they start crawfishing back into their holes like the scum they are.

Cheney was cherry picking the intelligence. The British started selling the war on Iraq in 1998 with Operation Mass Appeal.

 

[surada]

Was the authorization before or after 700 sites were searched and no WMDS were found? What anyone said or did in 1998 became meaningless.

They were trucking Saddam's wmds back and forth from Sudan to Syria. lol

 

[August West]

That is the inconvenient truth that the left doesn't want to hear.

They love to talk about the Iraq war being Bush's nightmare, he lied about WMD, etc. But when confronted with a dozen quotes of liberals saying he had WMD's and would use them, and the fact that liberals signed off on that war, they start crawfishing back into their holes like the scum they are.

What people said in 1998 became irrelevant when Hans Blix and his team of weapons inspectors searched 700 sites and came up empty. You may have forgotten that little detail. Yes, he lied about WMDs but in his defense, he didn`t know any better. Rumsfeld is burning in hell where they await Dick Cheney.

 

[August West]

They were trucking Saddam's wmds back and forth from Sudan to Syria. lol

There`s no evidence of that. If I was the EVIL Saddam and I knew my country was going to be searched and ransacked, I would have held onto those mythical weapons and used them to greet the invaders. Who wouldn`t? I don`t think we would`ve tolerated UN inspectors and we too had and still have WMDs.

 

[August West]

hahah of course it wasn't meaningless, it was still our policy. Did Xiden or any dems move to resend that law? No. Why? Because things with Saddam didn't get any better. In fact, in 2002, they by in large voted to give the President to use more military authority to overthrow Saddam

I don`t know who or what a xiden is.

 

[struth]

I don`t know who or what a xiden is.

well it's not my job to educate you.

 

[struth]

My German Shepherd is smarter than you and she only watches reruns of Rin-Tin-Tin.

Great show. Rin Tin Tin was of course a war hero, who fought against the tyrants....not funded them like Joey Xiden

 

[August West]

well it's not my job to educate you.

I would be surprised if you ever actually had a job doing anything.

 

[airplanemechanic]

What people said in 1998 became irrelevant when Hans Blix and his team of weapons inspectors searched 700 sites and came up empty. You may have forgotten that little detail. Yes, he lied about WMDs but in his defense, he didn`t know any better. Rumsfeld is burning in hell where they await Dick Cheney.

They weren't just from 1998. Nice try. Should these democrats burn in hell to?

Democrat Quotes on WMD

Just a small sample of Democrat WMD quotes post 9/11:

There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

"I mean, we have three different countries that, while they all present serious problems for the United States -- they're dictatorships, they're involved in the development and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction -- you know, the most imminent, clear and present threat to our country is not the same from those three countries. I think Iraq is the most serious and imminent threat to our country."
-- Sen. John Edwards (D, NC) Feb. 24, 2002

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power. We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." "
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed. We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Edward Kennedy (D, MA) Sep. 27, 2002
"Now let me be clear -- I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He's a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him."
-- State Senator Barack Obama (Democrat, Illinois) Oct. 2, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"My position is very clear: The time has come for decisive action to eliminate the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction."
-- Senator John Edwards (D, NC), Oct. 7, 2002

"We stopped the fighting [in 1991] on an agreement that Iraq would take steps to assure the world that it would not engage in further aggression and that it would destroy its weapons of mass destruction. It has refused to take those steps. That refusal constitutes a breach of the armistice which renders it void and justifies resumption of the armed conflict."
-- Sen. Harry Reid (D. NV) Oct. 9, 2002


"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"I come to this debate, Mr. Speaker, as one at the end of 10 years in office on the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, where stopping the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction was one of my top priorities. I applaud the President on focusing on this issue and on taking the lead to disarm Saddam Hussein. ... Others have talked about this threat that is posed by Saddam Hussein. Yes, he has chemical weapons, he has biological weapons, he is trying to get nuclear weapons."
-- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D. CA) Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

 

[NotfooledbyW]

-- Sen. John Edwards (D, NC) Feb. 24, 2002

Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

- State Senator Barack Obama (Democrat, Illinois) Oct. 2, 2002

All those quotes were prior to November 2002 and were based on accepted US Intelligence at that time

Bush lied five months later when he decided to disarm Iraq with US Troops on the ground instead of allowing the UN finish the peaceful way.

THIS IS THE MARCH 2003 W LIE no Democrat has reported seeing the intelligence W stated he had in this speech to the nation.

“Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.” DUBYA the DECIDER March 17 2003.

He was talking about Iraq concealing WMD from the UN INSPECTORS at that moment in time.

DEM Quotes were based in intelligence gathered up to September 2002.

And Bush rejected a December 2002 opportunity offered by SH to let US and UK military and WMD experts into Iraq to show UN inspectors where to look if WMD was being hidden.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AFTER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!​

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Saddam Extends Invite to CIA Sunday , December 22, 2002 WASHINGTON —​

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Saddam Hussein's adviser Amir al-Saadi on Sunday invited t in he CIA to send its agents to Iraq to point out to U.N. inspectors sites the Bush administration suspects of weapons development.​

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Al-Saadi also said during a news conference in Baghdad that Iraq was prepared to answer any questions raised by the United States and Britain.​

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"We are ready to deal with each of those questions if you ask us," he said.​

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Sunday, December 22, 2002 FOX NEWS WASHINGTON — Saddam Hussein's adviser Amir al-Saadi on Sunday invited the CIA to send its agents to Iraq to point out to U.N. inspectors sites the Bush administration suspects of weapons development.​

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Al-Saadi also said during a news conference in Baghdad that Iraq was prepared to answer any questions raised by the United States and Britain.​

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"We are ready to deal with each of those questions if you ask us," he said.​

Every dead and maimed human being and all the destroyed property and resources from March 2003 through the elimination if ISIS terrorists 15 years later is on white Evangelical Republican Christian Nationalism and George Bush for not taking Amir al Saadi up in his offer to disarm Iraq peacefully. In 2002.

Every Dem you quite would’ve sent CIA into Iraq and found nothing there. The decider and his white evangelical Christian base wanted Holy War. in 2003. Dems wanted inspections.

 

[airplanemechanic]

All those quotes were prior to November 2002 and were based on accepted US Intelligence at that time

Bush lied five months later when he decided to disarm Iraq with US Troops on the ground instead of allowing the UN finish the peaceful way.

THIS IS THE MARCH 2003 W LIE no Democrat has reported seeing the intelligence W stated he had in this speech to the nation.

“Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.” DUBYA the DECIDER March 17 2003.

He was talking about Iraq concealing WMD from the UN INSPECTORS at that moment in time.

DEM Quotes were based in intelligence gathered up to September 2002.

And Bush rejected a December 2002 opportunity offered by SH to let US and UK military and WMD experts into Iraq to show UN inspectors where to look if WMD was being hidden.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AFTER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!​

​

Saddam Extends Invite to CIA Sunday , December 22, 2002 WASHINGTON —​

​

Saddam Hussein's adviser Amir al-Saadi on Sunday invited t in he CIA to send its agents to Iraq to point out to U.N. inspectors sites the Bush administration suspects of weapons development.​

​

Al-Saadi also said during a news conference in Baghdad that Iraq was prepared to answer any questions raised by the United States and Britain.​

​

"We are ready to deal with each of those questions if you ask us," he said.​

​

Sunday, December 22, 2002 FOX NEWS WASHINGTON — Saddam Hussein's adviser Amir al-Saadi on Sunday invited the CIA to send its agents to Iraq to point out to U.N. inspectors sites the Bush administration suspects of weapons development.​

​

Al-Saadi also said during a news conference in Baghdad that Iraq was prepared to answer any questions raised by the United States and Britain.​

​

"We are ready to deal with each of those questions if you ask us," he said.​

Every dead and maimed human being and all the destroyed property and resources from March 2003 through the elimination if ISIS terrorists 15 years later is on white Evangelical Republican Christian Nationalism and George Bush for not taking Amir al Saadi up in his offer to disarm Iraq peacefully. In 2002.

Every Dem you quite would’ve sent CIA into Iraq and found nothing there. The decider and his white evangelical Christian base wanted Holy War. in 2003. Dems wanted inspections.

First it was only quotes before 1998 that mattered. Then after being shown that democrats between 2001 and 2002 said the same thing, we move it back to March 2003. Moving the goalposts that much is hilarious.

Anyone want to change it to December 2008?

The fact is that DOZENS OF DEMOCRATS said that Iraq was hiding WMD's and would use them given the chance. HUNDREDS OF DEMOCRATS signed off on the war. DEMZ DA DEM FACTS. DEM FACTS are facts that DEMs don't want to admit.