progressive hunter
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what gains are those?? you mean like the 12th grader with the .13 GPA???
thats not a gain, thats a loss of a human life,,,
Ban affirmative action. Support equality based on merit.
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thats not a gain, thats a loss of a human life,,,
progressive hunter
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theres that force again,,, seems like it didnt work with the kids that cant read or do math,,We have laws making it illegal to discriminate. AA enforces them in employment and education.who are you to force people to your will??I agree if everyone were that fair minded, that would be right. Everyone is not that fair minded.> I'm not one who hires or selects students to my university. But some of them [minorities] do, yeah.I'm not one who hires or selects students to my university. But some of them do, yeah.Racism involves believing other groups are inferior to yours. It's not a racist policy to break centuries of bigotry by encouraging minorities get a chance.> People fighting bigotry with programs that encourage minority hiring are not racist; they are trying to combat it, shortbus.
OldLady, you just said that hiring based upon race is not racist. Literally.
You don't fight racism by instituting racist policies.
Instead of an insult you deserve, I'll give you a compliment... Cute avatar.
you think minorities need your encouragement? I don’t know sounds awfully paternalistic
OldLady, that's just more racism from you. Some of every group of people requires encouragement to succeed.
You keep focusing on skin color, when you should be focused on character. Extra help should be based upon need, not DNA. Counting skin colors and lowering standards for people based upon ethnicity is inherently racist and has been illegal for over 55 years..
thats a fascist trait not one of free people,,
yeah AA worked good for them,,
OldLady
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Which kids are those?
Concerned American
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The EEOC (Equal Employment Opportunity Commission) is the enforcement arm. It enforces affirmative action. Affirmative Action is a preferential coddling of certain ethnic and gender groups. Affirmative Action is anathema to EQUAL.We have laws making it illegal to discriminate. AA enforces them in employment and education.who are you to force people to your will??I agree if everyone were that fair minded, that would be right. Everyone is not that fair minded.> I'm not one who hires or selects students to my university. But some of them [minorities] do, yeah.I'm not one who hires or selects students to my university. But some of them do, yeah.Racism involves believing other groups are inferior to yours. It's not a racist policy to break centuries of bigotry by encouraging minorities get a chance.> People fighting bigotry with programs that encourage minority hiring are not racist; they are trying to combat it, shortbus.
OldLady, you just said that hiring based upon race is not racist. Literally.
You don't fight racism by instituting racist policies.
Instead of an insult you deserve, I'll give you a compliment... Cute avatar.
you think minorities need your encouragement? I don’t know sounds awfully paternalistic
OldLady, that's just more racism from you. Some of every group of people requires encouragement to succeed.
You keep focusing on skin color, when you should be focused on character. Extra help should be based upon need, not DNA. Counting skin colors and lowering standards for people based upon ethnicity is inherently racist and has been illegal for over 55 years..
thats a fascist trait not one of free people,,
progressive hunter
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I posted the link dipshit,,,
Concerned American
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Sounds like we need some white affirmative action in the NBA.
gmeyers1944
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The gains that result from AA are gains only on paper. They look good. Black people being discriminated against in the past is no excuse for white people being discriminated against now. Two wrongs do not make a right.
NewsVine_Mariyam
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What's wrong with a merit standard? White racists do not believe or do not want to believe that there are black people who are just as capable, intelligent, skilled, and educated as they are. There are also some who exceed them in those areas as well, yet they would NEVER find them meritorious enough to receive things that they've worked for and are entitled to, whether it's a good paying good, a prestigious job promotion, acceptance into an ivy league school, etc.
A case in point, read the ridiculous comments that the resident white racists of USMB have made about black people and women, even when qualified, not being "the best" candidate and then employee to pilot a commercial aircraft, even after it was pointed out to them that they have been doing so, just not is substantially large numbers for the last close to 75 years.
But since white racists also suffer from inferiority complexes and financial & social envy of successful blacks (because they cannot reconcile mentally how a black person could ever do better than they have) they attribute this "anomaly" to blacks allegedly being given advantages denied to them, affirmative action being their favorite pinata that they like to whack .
I am of the opinion that perhaps the true reason for them lagging behind is lack of critical thinking skills and abysmal reading comprehension skills. Perhaps you can assist by pointing out where in the text below ANYONE is given preference over ANYONE else, let alone over WHITES?
While the concept of affirmative action has existed in America since the 19th century, it first appeared in its current form in President Kennedy's Executive Order 10925 (1961): "The contractor will take affirmative action to ensure that applicants are employed, and that employees are treated during employment, without regard to their race, creed, color, or national origin."
BS Filter
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What do you do for a living?No one is fighting racism with racism.You can't fight racism with racism. Wake up.Racism involves believing other groups are inferior to yours. It's not a racist policy to break centuries of bigotry by encouraging minorities get a chance.> People fighting bigotry with programs that encourage minority hiring are not racist; they are trying to combat it, shortbus.
OldLady, you just said that hiring based upon race is not racist. Literally.
You don't fight racism by instituting racist policies.
Instead of an insult you deserve, I'll give you a compliment... Cute avatar.
Wake up.
EMH
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> People fighting bigotry with programs that encourage minority hiring are not racist; they are trying to combat it, shortbus.
OldLady, you just said that hiring based upon race is not racist. Literally.
You don't fight racism by instituting racist policies.
Instead of an insult you deserve, I'll give you a compliment... Cute avatar.
Look how she worded it. Those supporting discrimination are not racist - but they are bigots, because in the sick mind of the bigoted leftwing hypocrite, there is a difference between racism and bigotry. Racism implies looking down, and hence blacks and all the other bogus "victim" classes of the left cannot be racist...
EVEN AS THEY PRACTICE BIGOTRY AND DISCRIMINATION
Concerned American
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For federal contractors and subcontractors, affirmative action must be taken by covered employers to recruit and advance qualified minorities, women, persons with disabilities, and covered veterans. Affirmative actions include training programs, outreach efforts, and other positive steps. These procedures should be incorporated into the company's written personnel policies. Employers with written affirmative action programs must implement them, keep them on file and update them annually. Affirmative Action | U.S. Department of Labor
COMMENT: According to the department of labor, you are WRONG. Racist.
Dragonlady
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Everyone is not that fair minded. I agree but you are defending the unfairness on one side while vilifying it on the other side. That is the same as Affirmative Action. Equality means equal treatment. Giving preferential treatment based on ethnicity is RACISM and "preferential" is contrary to "equal."I agree if everyone were that fair minded, that would be right. Everyone is not that fair minded.> I'm not one who hires or selects students to my university. But some of them [minorities] do, yeah.I'm not one who hires or selects students to my university. But some of them do, yeah.Racism involves believing other groups are inferior to yours. It's not a racist policy to break centuries of bigotry by encouraging minorities get a chance.> People fighting bigotry with programs that encourage minority hiring are not racist; they are trying to combat it, shortbus.
OldLady, you just said that hiring based upon race is not racist. Literally.
You don't fight racism by instituting racist policies.
Instead of an insult you deserve, I'll give you a compliment... Cute avatar.
you think minorities need your encouragement? I don’t know sounds awfully paternalistic
OldLady, that's just more racism from you. Some of every group of people requires encouragement to succeed.
You keep focusing on skin color, when you should be focused on character. Extra help should be based upon need, not DNA. Counting skin colors and lowering standards for people based upon ethnicity is inherently racist and has been illegal for over 55 years..
Why is it the only program you’re looking to eliminate affirmative-action? There are numerous things besides affirmative action which gives favour to white people and you’re not proposing eliminating any of those things.
Not one person here has talked about eliminating legacy admissions to Ivy League University. 30% of university admissions are to the children of alumni, For Ivy League schools the alumni are overwhelmingly white so legacy admissions favour overwhelmingly white students. No one is proposing illuminating this discrimination.
No one‘s illuminating nepotism whereby you have to be a member of the family to get into a company. My son works for the same company that his father worked for for 30 years. His younger brother is also working there and well both of the boys are certainly well qualified for the job let’s be honest, when they were hired their father was their supervisor.
Over the course of my career I’ve been given a number of jobs that no one else were interviewed for because I happen to know the person who is looking. It’s called networking.
Every poster in this thread has gone on and on about the unfairness and racism of affirmative action and not one person has mentioned the unfairness or racism of networking, legacy admissions, the old boys’ network or any of the other things that are set to ensure white dominance and keep outsiders and minorities from accessing jobs and opportunities.
Concerned American
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I don't see anything in "racism" that indicates which way you are looking. It does suggest that one who practices racism promotes one race over another based solely on race. Definition of RACISM Bigotry just addresses the obstinate or intolerant devotion to one's own opinions and prejudices--not necessarily racist. Definition of BIGOTRY You can be a bigot without being a racist, but ALL racists are bigots.> People fighting bigotry with programs that encourage minority hiring are not racist; they are trying to combat it, shortbus.
OldLady, you just said that hiring based upon race is not racist. Literally.
You don't fight racism by instituting racist policies.
Instead of an insult you deserve, I'll give you a compliment... Cute avatar.
Look how she worded it. Those supporting discrimination are not racist - but they are bigots, because in the sick mind of the bigoted leftwing hypocrite, there is a difference between racism and bigotry. Racism implies looking down, and hence blacks and all the other bogus "victim" classes of the left cannot be racist...
EVEN AS THEY PRACTICE BIGOTRY AND DISCRIMINATION
EMH
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So, the left argues that their practice of bigotry and discrimination against whites and Asians is needed because of "racism"
Is anyone still confused as to why we get so many HATE HOAXES.
The left stages HATEHOAXES to justify their own practice of bigotry and discrimination while claiming victim hood.
Level of truth from the left on this issue - absolute zero
Is anyone still confused as to why we get so many HATE HOAXES.
The left stages HATEHOAXES to justify their own practice of bigotry and discrimination while claiming victim hood.
Level of truth from the left on this issue - absolute zero
AZrailwhale
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Getting rid of AA pulls the teeth of the bigots on both sides. AA has been in effect for over fifty years, if it was going to accomplish anything, by now the improvements would be obvious. It has failed despite billions of dollars being spent. It’s past time to try something else. Make equality the law, not preference.
NewsVine_Mariyam
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> People fighting bigotry with programs that encourage minority hiring are not racist; they are trying to combat it, shortbus.
OldLady, you just said that hiring based upon race is not racist. Literally.
You don't fight racism by instituting racist policies.
Instead of an insult you deserve, I'll give you a compliment... Cute avatar.
Look how she worded it. Those supporting discrimination are not racist - but they are bigots, because in the sick mind of the bigoted leftwing hypocrite, there is a difference between racism and bigotry. Racism implies looking down, and hence blacks and all the other bogus "victim" classes of the left cannot be racist...
EVEN AS THEY PRACTICE BIGOTRY AND DISCRIMINATION
Yeah, you pulled one segment out of the entire page and ignored all of the rest. The Department of Labor is also where I obtained the text of the affirmative action EO I quoted, it's the same government agency:
Executive Order 11246, As Amended | U.S. Department of Labor
So where does it give preference to "unqualified blacks" over "qualified" whites? Depending upon your interpretation of the law, the whole point of the program is to increase the pool of qualified candidates that employers can select from and making sure that they include minorities as well as others. Do you have the same hostilities towards veterans and persons with disabilities? They cover the whole spectrum of races.
And when the government gives you money (contracts) then they get to specify the way you conduct the business you do for them including insisting that you comply with any and all applicable anti-discrimination laws, which you should be doing anyway. If you want to insist upon your right to be a raging racist then fine you can work for someone else.
And I'm sure you know this but just in case you or anyone else didn't, white women have benefited from affirmative action more than any other demographic according to the U.S. Department of Labor (same agency once again)
Findings
- The study found that compliance reviews initiated against an establishment in the 1970s significantly increased the share of women and African Americans it employed as managers, not only in the 1970s but also through the 1980s and 1990s. A first compliance review in the 1970s increased the odds of white women in management by an estimated 34 percent, of African American women by 18 percent, and of African American men by 28 percent.
- Compliance reviews initiated in the 1970s led to significantly greater increases in female and African American employment shares than did reviews conducted in the 1980s.
- Larger numbers of lawsuits significantly increased employment shares for women and African Americans.
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NewsVine_Mariyam
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That wouldn't be the Civil Rights Act of 1964 would it?They made laws to address discrimination and you morons, like today, refuse to enforce existing laws and turn to racism to answer racism--don't you see a problem with that. Silly me--No you don't.Nope. I'm saying minorities deserve an equal chance. We tried just telling people to do it; they didn't. So we went to policies.youre implying minorities are inferior and should be hired or selected because of that for equality,,Racism involves believing other groups are inferior to yours. It's not a racist policy to break centuries of bigotry by encouraging minorities get a chance.> People fighting bigotry with programs that encourage minority hiring are not racist; they are trying to combat it, shortbus.
OldLady, you just said that hiring based upon race is not racist. Literally.
You don't fight racism by instituting racist policies.
Instead of an insult you deserve, I'll give you a compliment... Cute avatar.
so youre a racist to support AA
NewsVine_Mariyam
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You're not required to answer them, truthfully or otherwise.> It's not in any applications.
It's not in any applications. They tried a study where they mixed up the names on resumes. The "black names" got picked WAY less than the white sounding names. When they swapped the names around and put the white names on the black people's resumes, the white names got picked. It wasn't their skills or their "merit's". The HR staff were picking the applicants they thought were white.
Harvard Study Says Minority Job Candidates Are 'Whitening' Their Resumes When Looking for Jobs
Ever changed your name on a resume to get more job interviews?www.inc.com
Do job-seekers with 'white' names get more callbacks than 'black' names?
The Sunday shows capped a turbulent week for race relations around the country, from the shooting of two officers in a nwww.politifact.com
It was on my son's college applications.
It was also on the US Census we filled out. We checked "other" and wrote in "US citizen." Unlike Senator Warner, we have not had DNA tests to determine if we are Native Americans or not.
You must see these check boxes occasionally as well.
NewsVine_Mariyam
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Actually the agency created to enforce and monitor compliance of the work portion of the Civil Rights Act is the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. Emphasis on "Opportunity".Everyone is not that fair minded. I agree but you are defending the unfairness on one side while vilifying it on the other side. That is the same as Affirmative Action. Equality means equal treatment. Giving preferential treatment based on ethnicity is RACISM and "preferential" is contrary to "equal."I agree if everyone were that fair minded, that would be right. Everyone is not that fair minded.> I'm not one who hires or selects students to my university. But some of them [minorities] do, yeah.I'm not one who hires or selects students to my university. But some of them do, yeah.Racism involves believing other groups are inferior to yours. It's not a racist policy to break centuries of bigotry by encouraging minorities get a chance.> People fighting bigotry with programs that encourage minority hiring are not racist; they are trying to combat it, shortbus.
OldLady, you just said that hiring based upon race is not racist. Literally.
You don't fight racism by instituting racist policies.
Instead of an insult you deserve, I'll give you a compliment... Cute avatar.
you think minorities need your encouragement? I don’t know sounds awfully paternalistic
OldLady, that's just more racism from you. Some of every group of people requires encouragement to succeed.
You keep focusing on skin color, when you should be focused on character. Extra help should be based upon need, not DNA. Counting skin colors and lowering standards for people based upon ethnicity is inherently racist and has been illegal for over 55 years..
Some of you sound like you're afraid you can't compete on a level playing field.
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