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Geez another one with a reading comprehension deficit. Acknowledging that affirmative action has afforded opportunities to me and made things easier does not mean that I would not have succeeded anyway. Did you miss the part where I said "possibly excluded"?> You're the only person saying I need Affirmative Action to succeed,You're the only person saying I need Affirmative Action to succeed, in fact you've assumed that's the only way I've achieved anything in my life. Well the only person right here right now, God know that's a favorite theme amongst the white racists - affirmative action admission, affirmative action hire.No. My son is doing wonderfully well in college. I don't need to teach him about equality; he's an adult now and very smart.LOL is this what you're teaching your "getting ready for college age" son? That no matter how well the non-whites do, always know you're better than them?> Both of the fields I'm in presently are dominated by white malesYou had white male preference. It's the preference that has existed since the country started. There are no perpetual victims, just perpetual amnesia based delusions by whites, specifically right wing white males.Never had anything else--I entered the workforce in 1965. I have worked blue collar jobs, white collar jobs and military in my career. In EVERY one of those jobs I worked and fought side by side with every ethnic and gender group in the US. In not one of those jobs were the wages paid one cent different by job. What wasn't the same was the playing field. Every one of those people that I worked with enjoyed employment preferences that were not available to me. Sure that playing field. You seem to think that you can be a perpetual victim of ---- race, gender, whatever. What you really are is a racist bigot.Actually the agency created to enforce and monitor compliance of the work portion of the Civil Rights Act is the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. Emphasis on "Opportunity".Everyone is not that fair minded. I agree but you are defending the unfairness on one side while vilifying it on the other side. That is the same as Affirmative Action. Equality means equal treatment. Giving preferential treatment based on ethnicity is RACISM and "preferential" is contrary to "equal."I agree if everyone were that fair minded, that would be right. Everyone is not that fair minded.> I'm not one who hires or selects students to my university. But some of them [minorities] do, yeah.I'm not one who hires or selects students to my university. But some of them do, yeah.Racism involves believing other groups are inferior to yours. It's not a racist policy to break centuries of bigotry by encouraging minorities get a chance.> People fighting bigotry with programs that encourage minority hiring are not racist; they are trying to combat it, shortbus.
OldLady, you just said that hiring based upon race is not racist. Literally.
You don't fight racism by instituting racist policies.
Instead of an insult you deserve, I'll give you a compliment... Cute avatar.
you think minorities need your encouragement? I don’t know sounds awfully paternalistic
OldLady, that's just more racism from you. Some of every group of people requires encouragement to succeed.
You keep focusing on skin color, when you should be focused on character. Extra help should be based upon need, not DNA. Counting skin colors and lowering standards for people based upon ethnicity is inherently racist and has been illegal for over 55 years..
Some of you sound like you're afraid you can't compete on a level playing field.
Black bigots get actual preferences by law.
Blacks get privileges while whitesandasians get discrimination.
When asked, we get phantom "white privilege" bs and hate hoaxes as evidence of racism.
The black bigot hates whites and Asians, practices bigotry and discrimination against whites and Asians, and we are to conclude that the "problem" is not from the side practicing bigotry and discrimination, but the actual victims who are framed by the hate hoaxes.
Im2 has likely been involved in dozens of hate hoaxes, and likely sucked the dicks of both Jussie Smollett and Michelle Obama.Oh is that why you're laughing like a hyena? Because you think I'm a racist "victim" who cannot compete without affirmative action? Are you making a wager? What's the stakes and in what field(s) are we going to compete? According to when you entered the work force you'd have to be in your 70s, are you even still looking for work and don't feel you should have to compete with black people at all, is that what you're saying?'By your reckoning the NBA should be 87% white. You are a racist and cannot compete on a level playing field--if you could, you would not be adverse to repealing affirmative action, indeed I feel that all mention of gender and race should be removed from any official documentation. You become XYZ123 in anything official and let the chips fall where they may. I am open to that scenario--ARE YOU?I refer you back to the portion of one of my previous comment in which I mention subpar reading comprehension abilities. What they're saying is that the workforce should reflect the composition of the "relevent labor pool" "absent discrimination":Try reading everything next time--This section (in the link that I gave you) essentially dictates that the workforce of particular sized companies must have workforces that reflect to demographic of an area. Here is the pertinent ppg.> People fighting bigotry with programs that encourage minority hiring are not racist; they are trying to combat it, shortbus.
OldLady, you just said that hiring based upon race is not racist. Literally.
You don't fight racism by instituting racist policies.
Instead of an insult you deserve, I'll give you a compliment... Cute avatar.
Look how she worded it. Those supporting discrimination are not racist - but they are bigots, because in the sick mind of the bigoted leftwing hypocrite, there is a difference between racism and bigotry. Racism implies looking down, and hence blacks and all the other bogus "victim" classes of the left cannot be racist...
EVEN AS THEY PRACTICE BIGOTRY AND DISCRIMINATIONYeah, you pulled one segment out of the entire page and ignored all of the rest. The Department of Labor is also where I obtained the text of the affirmative action EO I quoted, it's the same government agency:
Executive Order 11246, As Amended | U.S. Department of Labor
So where does it give preference to "unqualified blacks" over "qualified" whites? Depending upon your interpretation of the law, the whole point of the program is to increase the pool of qualified candidates that employers can select from and making sure that they include minorities as well as others. Do you have the same hostilities towards veterans and persons with disabilities? They cover the whole spectrum of races.
And when the government gives you money (contracts) then they get to specify the way you conduct the business you do for them including insisting that you comply with any and all applicable anti-discrimination laws, which you should be doing anyway. If you want to insist upon your right to be a raging racist then fine you can work for someone else.
And I'm sure you know this but just in case you or anyone else didn't, white women have benefited from affirmative action more than any other demographic according to the U.S. Department of Labor (same agency once again)
Findings
- The study found that compliance reviews initiated against an establishment in the 1970s significantly increased the share of women and African Americans it employed as managers, not only in the 1970s but also through the 1980s and 1990s. A first compliance review in the 1970s increased the odds of white women in management by an estimated 34 percent, of African American women by 18 percent, and of African American men by 28 percent.
- Compliance reviews initiated in the 1970s led to significantly greater increases in female and African American employment shares than did reviews conducted in the 1980s.
- Larger numbers of lawsuits significantly increased employment shares for women and African Americans.
Subpart B—Purpose and Contents of Affirmative Action Programs
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§60-2.10 General purpose and contents of affirmative action programs.
(a) Purpose. (1) An affirmative action program is a management tool designed to ensure equal employment opportunity. A central premise underlying affirmative action is that, absent discrimination, over time a contractor's workforce, generally, will reflect the gender, racial and ethnic profile of the labor pools from which the contractor recruits and selects. Affirmative action programs contain a diagnostic component which includes a number of quantitative analyses designed to evaluate the composition of the workforce of the contractor and compare it to the composition of the relevant labor pools. Affirmative action programs also include action-oriented programs. If women and minorities are not being employed at a rate to be expected given their availability in the relevant labor pool, the contractor's affirmative action program includes specific practical steps designed to address this underutilization. Effective affirmative action programs also include internal auditing and reporting systems as a means of measuring the contractor's progress toward achieving the workforce that would be expected in the absence of discrimination.
Subpart B—Purpose and Contents of Affirmative Action Programs
§60-2.10 General purpose and contents of affirmative action programs.
(a) Purpose. (1) An affirmative action program is a management tool designed to ensure equal employment opportunity. A central premise underlying affirmative action is that, ****absent discrimination****, over time a contractor's workforce, generally, will reflect the gender, racial and ethnic profile of the labor pools from which the contractor recruits and selects. Affirmative action programs contain a diagnostic component which includes a number of quantitative analyses designed to evaluate the composition of the workforce of the contractor and compare it to the composition of the relevant labor pools. Affirmative action programs also include action-oriented programs. If women and minorities are not being employed at a rate to be expected given their availability in the relevant labor pool, the contractor's affirmative action program includes specific practical steps designed to address this underutilization. Effective affirmative action programs also include internal auditing and reporting systems as a means of measuring the contractor's progress toward achieving the workforce that would be expected ****in the absence of discrimination****.
Because that's what affirmative action has done for me, it's provided me with an opportunity to compete in fields in which I would otherwise be possibly excluded, not because I was unable to compete but due to my race and/or gender. Both of the fields I'm in presently are dominated by white males, some of whom are not so subtle about their dislike of my presence in their world.
So, what's your story? Who's depriving you of opportunities, how and in what fields? Inquiring minds want to know.
Congratulations! When it comes time for layoffs, there is no way they will cut you, even if your performance is sub-par, for fear of a discrimination lawsuit. Enjoy your privilege!
I have no issues at all with other races. I work with a whole bunch of exceptionally-talented people who just so happen to be very diverse in terms of race, gender, sexual preference, and politics. Many are not US citizens, but they are all here legally, and they are incredibly smart. I have deep friendships with a lot of my colleagues, and like and respect everyone I work with. I'd say that my work is probably much more diverse than the local population.
We have people who immigrated from Western Europe, Eastern Europe, Nigeria, Thailand, China, India, Nepal, Kenya, Egypt, etc. One of our senior VPs is from Palestine. Race never comes up, and everyone is always treated with respect.
None of my colleagues complain about racism or other forms of oppression. They all work hard, and as a result, they are compensated handsomely and have really enjoyable, if challenging, jobs.
They didn't need Affirmative Action to succeed, and they weren't even born here, and most had less than you as children. Why do you need Affirmative Action to succeed? It happens naturally, if you have some skills to offer and are willing to work hard.
As for your work environment you've described, that's wonderful and race shouldn't come up. Yet you still can't keep from taking digs at me like I have no knowledge of such a world. Why is that?
Are you delusional? You said it yourself in this thread, right here...
> Because that's what affirmative action has done for me, it's provided me with an opportunity to compete in fields in which I would otherwise be possibly excluded, not because I was unable to compete but due to my race and/or gender. Both of the fields I'm in presently are dominated by white males, some of whom are not so subtle about their dislike of my presence in their world.
Ban affirmative action. Support equality based on merit.
For every single Hate Hoax that gets busted, there are ten that do not. Affirmative action is the cause of the hate hoaxers. It is an industry. It is what affirmative action students are taught.www.usmessageboard.com
Poor little victim. You have to work with White males, and you pay attention to their skin color. I bet they are nice to you, and you just threw them under the bus, because you are a bigot, no?
I've ALWAYS worked with white males, the makeup of corporate America is predominantly white males but you, like ConcernedAmerican keep insisting that I'm referring to white people in the negative when I've been very specific about referring to "white racists". You all are the ones mixing up the two.
My career field that I chose is not the field I ended up in, but it is documented fact and American history that blacks were not wanted in the field of aviation in spite of the Tuskegee Airmen having proven their competence during WWII. The doubts were not about my ability to succeed but whether or not I would be allowed "into the club" when they had only begun allowing black pilots to fly for the airlines in the previous decade. My grandfather was a decorated Tuskegee Airman, no one had any doubts about my abilities to succeed because of the family I come from, on both sides.
I think you're just disappointed that your poor pitiful discriminated against white male act doesn't work with me and that I'm not as disadvantaged as a black person as you may have imagined.
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