Baltimore riots worked. City agrees to give TWO free meals a day to all students.

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

There are very few whites in baltimore and the ones there will continue to feed their own kids. This is another freebie for blacks.

This is another cherry-picked, ignorant, white trash thread.

 

[PredFan]

Let 'em! That city will be broke in no time, if it isn't already. Another democrat led shithole.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Let 'em! That city will be broke in no time, if it isn't already. Another democrat led shithole.

But they will continue to be subsidized by the rest of us. It will become a bottomless, endless drain.

 

[irosie91]

Let 'em! That city will be broke in no time, if it isn't already. Another democrat led shithole.

ya nevah know-----maybe they will gather up all the extra crab cakes in Maryland-----and the program will cost nothing

 

[Sonny Clark]

Maryland is overwhelmed by democrat politics which is why we have the worst government in the country. These democrat idiots still don't understand that nothing is free. It has to be created somehow. Morons!

They know that. They are transferring money from working white people to deadbeat blacks. And they love it.

What's more is that many Marylanders work for the federal gov in DC. So Maryland is essentially getting the money from the taxpayers across the country. You are subsidizing Maryland's 'free' lunches.

We're also subsidizing senseless deadly costly wars, the care and support of illegal immigrants, rich farmers, big oil, the perks and benefits given to members of Congress, campaigns, bailouts, Brazilian corn crops, the building of mosques on foreign soil, no-bid government contracts ( Halliburton ), GE, the worthless stupid fence along our southern border, weapons to drug lords and terrorists, lavish White House vacations and parties, unnecessary government travel, exploring the far reaches of the universe, and foreign governments.

So, the problem with giving students free meals is?

You'd be adding to the things you complain about. How does making things worse make them better?

Yep. It'd make a huge difference in all of the current debt on the books.

 

[PredFan]

Let 'em! That city will be broke in no time, if it isn't already. Another democrat led shithole.

But they will continue to be subsidized by the rest of us. It will become a bottomless, endless drain.

We who do not live in Baltimore or Maryland won't have to subsidize them unless they get government bailout money which under this regime, could happen.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Let 'em! That city will be broke in no time, if it isn't already. Another democrat led shithole.

But they will continue to be subsidized by the rest of us. It will become a bottomless, endless drain.

We who do not live in Baltimore or Maryland won't have to subsidize them unless they get government bailout money which under this regime, could happen.

You already do. Many Marylanders work for the fed in DC.

 

[Moonglow]

It is bad enough that one must pay taxes on food.....

 

[ShootSpeeders]

This problem wouldn't exist if we told women. You want that welfare check, you have to accept sterilization. Still waiting for some lib to explain why that is a bad idea.

Ending poverty is easy.

 

[EverCurious]

How do you figure it'll calm and loosen racial tensions and resentments? Don't most of those resenting already get food stamps, welfare, medical, and/or housing assistance?

no. you are not entirely clear on "welfare"-----it is not all that easy -------as you imagine-----THE GOOD LIFE. Being on welfare is very stressful-------it actually HOLDS PEOPLE BACK.
People on welfare are required by law to report any and all income and not have anything close to a substantial bank account-----they live on the edge of LOSING BENEFITS-----so they lie.
Lying is no fun. It actually causes physiological changes in people associated
with stress. My plan is to take the FOOD issue off the stress table-------I assure you-----people want more than basic food----it will not
cause people to lie on the beach all day----but knowing one's kids will not starve is a good thing

"Your" plan? That is an interesting phrasing, do you work for social services or government in Baltimore or something?

Anyway, according to your statement here, giving out free school lunch isn't going to stop all of what you listed there so it /doesn't/ "calm and loosen racial tensions and resentments" as you'd claimed. The city would have to give out free everything no questions asked to do that.

I did find reference to the bank account restriction you mention, to wit:
"In order to qualify for this benefit program, you must be a resident of the state of Maryland and fall into one of two groups: (1) those with a current bank balance (savings and checking combined) under $2,001, or (2) those with a current bank balance (savings and checking combined) under $3,001 who share their household with a person or persons age 60 and over, or with a person with a disability (a child, your spouse, a parent, or yourself)."

This does not sound like an unreasonable limitation to me; it is actually only slightly less than /we/ pay for our monthly bills (we run about $3.5-$4k) and we live /quite/ well. Our COL is far, far higher than there as well (index of 88 for Baltimore vs 143 where I live, in Anchorage ~ Comparison Cost of Living Anchorage AK - Baltimore MD I'm going to guessimate that $2k-$3k is roughly equivalent to at least 2months living expenses in Baltimore ~ given that I have 1g internet w/600k bandwidth (the highest package they have), great cellphones w/3g data (3 atm), full Tivo cable in 3 rooms (including HBO, Showtime, and a huge sports package), a larger than most electric bill (hubby has a fully stocked detached shop w/220amp compressors and built in vehicle jack), our average monthly food bill includes pretty much anything we want at any time, and our mortgage is $2k a month...

The lowest threshold for qualification I've found listed thus far is $24k a year for a family of 4 or $16k for a family of 2. Min wage in MD is $8/h, so this equates to one near fulltime job (37/h a week) w/a family of 2, and 56/h a week at $8/h if you have a family of 4 (or 37/h a week @ $12.24/h,) before one gets kicked out of assistance (and the majority of them are around $10k/y higher threshold.)


To support the above I'd done some quick digging (I happen to enjoy researching stuff) and I found;

This from the article itself:
"Eighty-four percent of Baltimore students qualified for free and reduced-priced meals this year based on family income under the National School Lunch Program, established in 1946. About 13,000 paid $3 for lunch this year; the district dropped its reduced-priced meals in 2013 and paid the subsidy for those students to eat for free."

and "In the past, the city has received federal funding based on the number of applications for free and reduced-price meals that were returned from families of low-income students.

Under the new structure, the system will be reimbursed based on the number of meals it serves."

~ So basically they are expecting to get money from the Fed's for every single meal now, rather than just the 84% of "qualified" students they were getting Fed funding for before. (AKA Baltimore and Maryland have zero cost associated with giving out free lunch to all students, so it's not at all surprising they decided to do it.)

As for other assistance or welfare I've found the following information:

This site reflects that 23.8% of Baltimore's 622,793 peoples are below the federal poverty line. ~ Baltimore city QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau

I also found this one which actually explains why you have a problem in Baltimore:

"A new study released by the Cato Institute looks at the state-by-state value of welfare.

[...]

In Maryland, a mother with two children participating in seven major welfare programs (Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, Medicaid, food stamps, WIC, housing assistance, utility assistance, and free commodities), could receive a package of benefits worth $35,672, the 10th highest in the nation. Only Hawaii, Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Jersey, Rhode Island, New York, Vermont, New Hampshire and the District of Columbia provided more generous benefits." ~ Maryland welfare benefits - tribunedigital-baltimoresun

The article there noted that there are additional programs some might qualify for and obviously that not all qualify for all of them; basically the gist of the article is that it would actually cost parents more to work when factoring in child care, taxes (which are not paid on welfare programs, but are on wages,) and various other "added" expenses.

So basically you have what amounts to a perpetual "assistance" system going there in Baltimore. Which leads me to believe that it has /nothing/ to do with having to lie to qualify, but rather it has to do with making it a "better life" to be on welfare than work. I am therefore, unfortunately, going to discount your entire premise that "lying to qualify for assistance" is the reason there is resentment and racial tensions.

It seems to me that you're more likely to turn down those factors by LOWERING the incomes allowed to be received for such assistance programs; simply because people who do work for a living get a bit irked when others are living better than they are /not/ working...

This site lists some of the various welfare programs for Maryland ~Md Welfare - Welfare Information Not all of the links worked on the above site, but I dug out the following assistance qualifications:

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The Food Supplement Program (FSP), as the Federal Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) is called in the state of Maryland, helps low-income households buy the food they need for healthy eating. Benefits are used like cash to buy food. FSP benefits are accessed through an Electronic Benefits Transfer System. Most households must meet a gross income test (130 percent of the poverty guideline). If the household includes an elderly person or a person receiving disability benefits, only the "net test" (instead of using the gross income, the net income is used) must be met. Possible deductions from gross income include: 20 percent of earned income, a standard deduction according to household size, a dependent-care deduction any medical expenses in excess of $35 for elderly or disabled members, and housing and legally owed/paid child support. The FSP benefit amount is based on income and certain deductions.

General Program Requirements
In order to qualify for this benefit program, you must be a resident of the state of Maryland and fall into one of two groups: (1) those with a current bank balance (savings and checking combined) under $2,001, or (2) those with a current bank balance (savings and checking combined) under $3,001 who share their household with a person or persons age 60 and over, or with a person with a disability (a child, your spouse, a parent, or yourself).

In order to qualify, you must have an annual household income (before taxes) that is below the following amounts:
Household Size* Maximum Income Level (Per Year)
1 $15,301
2 $20,709
3 $26,117
4 $31,525
5 $36,933
6 $42,341
7 $47,749
8 $53,157
*For households with more than eight people, add $5,408 per additional person. Always check with the appropriate managing agency to ensure the most accurate guidelines.

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Head Start is a Federal program that promotes the school readiness of children from birth to age five from low-income families by enhancing their cognitive, social, and emotional development. Head Start programs provide a learning environment that supports children's growth in many areas such as language, literacy, and social and emotional development. Head Start emphasizes the role of parents as their child's first and most important teacher. These programs help build relationships with families that support family well-being and many other important areas.

Many Head Start programs also provide Early Head Start , which serves infants, toddlers, and pregnant women and their families who have incomes below the Federal poverty level.
General Program Requirements
For this benefit program, you must be a resident of the state of Maryland.

Children from birth to age five from families with low income, according to the Poverty Guidelines published by the Federal government, are eligible for Head Start and Early Head Start services.

In order to qualify, you must have an annual household income (before taxes) that is below the following amounts:
Household Size* Maximum Income Level (Per Year)
1 $11,770
2 $15,930
3 $20,090
4 $24,250
5 $28,410
6 $32,570
7 $36,730
8 $40,890
*For households with more than eight people, add $4,160 per additional person. Always check with the appropriate managing agency to ensure the most accurate guidelines.

Children in foster care, homeless children, and children from families receiving public assistance (Temporary Assistance for Needy Families or Supplemental Security Income) are categorically eligible for Head Start and Early Head Start services regardless of income.

Head Start programs may enroll up to 10 percent of children from families that have incomes above the Poverty Guidelines. Programs may also serve up to an additional 35 percent of children from families whose incomes are above the Poverty Guidelines, but below 130 percent of the poverty line if the program can ensure that certain conditions have been met.

Pregnant women may also be eligible for Early Head Start.

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Medicaid, also called Medical Assistance, is a program that pays the medical bills of certain needy and low-income individuals. It is administered by the state and pays medical bills with Federal and state funds.

Medicaid coverage is automatically granted to individuals receiving other public assistance, including Supplemental Security Income (SSI), Temporary Cash Assistance (TCA), and Foster Care. Low-income families, children, pregnant women, and aged, blind, or disabled adults may also qualify for Medicaid. You can have private health insurance and be eligible for Medicaid. The rules are different for different groups and the kinds of medical care covered are different for different groups. If you need help paying for your own or your family's medical bills, you should find out for sure about your eligibility for Medical Assistance by filing an application at your Local Department of Social Services.

Benefits and eligibility requirements are standard across the state.
General Program Requirements
In order to qualify for this benefit program, you must be a resident of the state of Maryland, a U.S. national, citizen or permanent resident and in need of health care/insurance assistance, whose financial situation would be characterized as low income or very low income. You must also be either pregnant, have child(ren) with a disability, or be responsible for children under 21 years of age.

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The School Breakfast and Lunch Program provides funding that makes it possible for schools to offer a nutritious school breakfast and lunch. Schools receive Federal funds for each breakfast served, provided that the meal meets established nutrition standards. Additional funds are provided to schools for each meal served to children who qualify because of family income, for free or reduced-price meals. The program is open to all children up to the age of 21 who are enrolled in public and participating private nonprofit schools and residential child care institutions.
General Program Requirements
In order to qualify for this benefit program, you must be a resident of the state of Maryland and a parent or primary caregiver responsible for a child(ren) who attends school (high school or under).

In order to qualify, you must have an annual household income (before taxes) that is below the following amounts:
Household Size* Maximum Income Level (Per Year)
1 $21,590
2 $29,101
3 $36,612
4 $44,123
5 $51,634
6 $59,145
7 $66,656
8 $74,167
*For households with more than eight people, add $7,511 per additional person. Always check with the appropriate managing agency to ensure the most accurate guidelines. A person who participates or has family members who participate in certain other benefit programs, such as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), Medicaid or Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), automatically meets the income eligibility requirement.
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The Special Milk Program assists schools, child care centers, summer camps, and non-profit organizations by reducing the cost of milk served to enrolled children.
General Program Requirements
Any child in a school or institution that participates in the Special Milk Program can get milk. Schools may elect to offer free milk to low-income children. In order to qualify for this benefit program, you must be a resident of the state of Maryland.

In order to qualify, you must have an annual household income (before taxes) that is below the following amounts:
Household Size* Maximum Income Level (Per Year)
1 $21,590
2 $29,101
3 $36,612
4 $44,123
5 $51,634
6 $59,145
7 $66,656
8 $74,167
*For households with more than eight people, add $7,511 per additional person. Always check with the appropriate managing agency to ensure the most accurate guidelines.
A person who participates or has family members who participate in certain other benefit programs, such as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), Medicaid or Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), automatically meets the income eligibility requirement.

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The WIC Program provides supplemental foods, nutrition education and referrals to health care, at no cost, to low-income pregnant, breastfeeding and postpartum women, infants, and children up to age 5 who are determined to be at nutritional risk. To be fully eligible for the WIC Program, applicants must be determined by a health professional, at no cost, to be at nutritional risk (i.e., have certain medical-based or diet-based risk conditions).
General Program Requirements
In order to qualify for this benefit program, you must be a resident of the state of Maryland; a pregnant, breastfeeding and/or postpartum woman; an infant or child up to 5 years of age; and individually determined by a health professional to be at nutrition risk.

A person who participates or has family members who participate in certain other benefit programs, such as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), Medicaid or Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), automatically meets the income eligibility requirement.

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The Maryland Summer Food Service Program provides reimbursement to organizations for meals and snacks served to children in areas where at least 50 percent of the children qualify for free or reduced-price meals under the National School Lunch Program, or when 50 percent of the children enrolled in a program qualify for free or reduced-price meals. Most organizations may be reimbursed for up to two meals or snacks per child per day. Migrant programs and camps may be reimbursed for up to three meals per child per day.
General Program Requirements
In order to qualify for this benefit program, you must be a resident of the state of Maryland.

In order to qualify, you must have an annual household income (before taxes) that is below the following amounts:
Household Size* Maximum Income Level (Per Year)
1 $21,590
2 $29,101
3 $36,612
4 $44,123
5 $51,634
6 $59,145
7 $66,656
8 $74,167
*For households with more than eight people, add $7,511 per additional person. Always check with the appropriate managing agency to ensure the most accurate guidelines. A person who participates or has family members who participate in certain other benefit programs, such as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), Medicaid or Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), automatically meets the income eligibility requirement.

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One of the components of the Family Investment Program, Temporary Cash Assistance (TCA) is that provides cash assistance to needy families with dependent children when available resources do not fully address the family's needs and while preparing participants for independence through work. Some families, who need only short-term assistance, may receive a welfare avoidance grant (WAG). A WAG is provided as a one-time lump sum payment equal to three months of TCA. Adults with dependent children applying for or receiving TCA must meet financial and technical eligibility requirements. Conditions of eligibility include cooperation with child support, participation in work activities and compliance with substance abuse provisions. Earned and unearned income cannot exceed the benefit level paid for the family size and assets are limited to $2,000. Sanctions may be imposed for program noncompliance.
General Program Requirements
In order to qualify for this benefit program, you must be a resident of Maryland, either pregnant or responsible for a child under 19 years of age, a citizen, or meet immigrant status rules, and have low or no income.

 

[irosie91]

your rebuttal supports my statement------as the laws are written------it is better to be on welfare than to work for minimum wage------but you left out the important part------it is very hard to subsist on minimum wage-------you also left out the really important part-----not all people are CAPABLE of working. I have served a peripheral role------60 year old women with severe osteoarthritis placed on "workfare" cleaning up public parks -----in the dead of winter. ------denied a medical waiver

 

[ShootSpeeders]

your rebuttal supports my statement------as the laws are written------it is better to be on welfare than to work for minimum wage------but you left out the important part------it is very hard to subsist on minimum wage----

BS. A single person can easily live on minimum wage. But the key is to be single. Poor people shouldn't have kids.

Let's also remember that people on MW who have kids are getting public assistance too. So they're really getting a lot more than MW.

 

[irosie91]

your rebuttal supports my statement------as the laws are written------it is better to be on welfare than to work for minimum wage------but you left out the important part------it is very hard to subsist on minimum wage----

BS. A single person can easily live on minimum wage. But the key is to be single. Poor people shouldn't have kids.

Let's also remember that people on MW who have kids are getting public assistance too. So they're really getting a lot more than MW.

really? if two parents work MW jobs they still get public assistance? the whole system
confuses me

 

[EverCurious]

I don't think I explained well enough for some to grasp so I'm going to try again.

The people who are making min wage are /not/ getting kicked off assistance even if they're working 40/h a week at min wage they're making about $17k a year; this does /not/ even come close to disqualifying a family size of 3 from receiving SNAP or SFP in Baltimore (threshold $26k), Medicaid (auto qualified if one gets other assistance), the School Breakfast and Lunch Program, Special Milk Program, and Maryland Summer Food Service Program (all threshold at $36.6k), and likely not even the Temporary Cash Assistance (TCA) which only notes "no or low income" as its threshold.

~ Add $5,408/y (or $450/m) per family member for SNAP/SFP threshold and $7,511/y (or $626/m) per family member for all the other program thresholds.


Basically what this means is that in order for a family of 3 to get thrown off assistance they have to make $27k a year, that's 40 hours a week. @ $14/h. Until they hit that threshold they are getting some $36k/y in assistance (according to the study I listed) that would be ON TOP OF their earned income; which equates to $63k/y or $5,250/m.

For the student meal assistance programs the figures get even more ridiculous... It takes 40 hours a week @ $17.50/h to get thrown off those assistance programs. Until that point they end up getting like $73k a year or just over $6k a month.


The COL where I live is nearly double that of Baltimore's. I raised a family of 5 (3 teenage boys,) 3 big dogs (120#, 90#, and 50#), 2 fat cats (25# and 20#), and we had pretty much everything we ever wanted [including 1g internet w/600k bandwidth (the highest package they have), great cellphones w/3g data, full Tivo cable in 5 rooms (including HBO, Showtime, and a huge sports package), a larger than most electric bill (hubby has a fully stocked detached shop w/220amp compressors and built in vehicle jack), our average monthly food bill included pretty much anything we wanted at any time,] and our mortgage is $2k a month. We also regularly put gas in 4 vehicles (Mine, my husbands, and one for each of the 2 older boys), 5 snow machines, 5 four-wheelers, 3 boats (a huge 20’ onboard jet yacht, a 450 horse jet river boat, and a couple off board props for trolling on a row boat,) and 3 jet skis. PLUS we also paid the monthly electric/natural gas/satellite bill for our $2million dollar, 3 story, 4k sq ft, cabin with some 60’ of lake frontage...

~ We averaged $6k a month in expenses, or about $72k/year...


Let that sink in for a minute and perhaps you too will figure out why people might be lying in order to continue to qualify for assistance programs.

 

[irosie91]

I am getting jealous

 

[EverCurious]

Sorry, it seemed like the best way to make it clear how abusive the current assistance program thresholds are...

My husband and I juggled up to 5 simultaneous jobs at times to make all that happen for ourselves and our kids - we reaped what we sowed.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

really? if two parents work MW jobs they still get public assistance? the whole system
confuses me

Yup - one or both of them has a cash job. It's a great deal. Momma and poppa each get 30K a year from their jobs and they claim they don't work and get another 30k in welfare. And now they're demanding the state feed their kids.

 

[irosie91]

really? if two parents work MW jobs they still get public assistance? the whole system
confuses me

Yup - one or both of them has a cash job. It's a great deal. Momma and poppa each get 30K a year from their jobs and they claim they don't work and get another 30k in welfare. And now they're demanding the state feed their kids.

a "cash" job? what is that ? can I get one?-----for the record------I do not screw for a living

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Well, I'd rather see all kids get a free meal than to see a select few. I really don't see anything wrong with it.

What's wrong with it is that it enables neglectful parenting.

How so? Please explain. Thanks.

It really needs explaining? If the government is going to your job as a parent for you then what motivation do you have to do it yourself?

 

[irosie91]

Well, I'd rather see all kids get a free meal than to see a select few. I really don't see anything wrong with it.

What's wrong with it is that it enables neglectful parenting.

How so? Please explain. Thanks.

It really needs explaining? If the government is going to your job as a parent for you then what motivation do you have to do it yourself?

you have no idea what happens when the life of a human being breaks down and there is no one to help-------such a situation exists for millions in the USA today