Average teachers pay vs average pay.

[SweetSue92]

52 weeks x 5 days =260 days
Take off 3 weeks vacation and 10 holidays and the average workers work 235 days compared to 180 for a teacher

Teachers work 3/4 of the time as other professionals
They don’t deserve the same pay.

What do you think is a fair hourly rate for a beginning teacher, say?

A mid career teacher?

An experienced veteran teacher?

 

[Lisa558]

1/2 ending salary is not bad. Same as military that goes into combat.

One of my sisters had to stay in teaching specifically because of insurance. My Nephew had Cerabal Palsy. Has to have it and her insurance via teaching has covered him all his life.

I still say other than govt or military your insurance is better than most of us out here's insurance.

Most jobs don’t have pensions at all.

Around here, I know teachers complaining that they only get $60,000 a year in pension. That would sound great to the vast majority of retirees.

 

[SweetSue92]

Plus they get the entire summer off.

Wow, so many are still stuck in the 80s.

Our last day is June 6th this year. I report to my school OFFICIALLY on August 18th, and will put hours in before that, both at home and at school. That's ten weeks, not "three months" that it used to be, from Memorial Day to Labor Day.

 

[SweetSue92]

"I don't know another profession where this is the norm, do you?"

Yes, every 10 month and 11 month position in our system.

• Food Service
• Instructional Assistants
• Bus Drivers
• Custodians
• Secretaries
• etc.

WW

Okay, so when your custodians call in sick, they have to write sub plans for three hours?

 

[eagle1462010]

What section of the country do you live in?

Are you paying for an individual plan or are you on an employer plan?

Employee Only, Employe + Spouse, Employee + Chidren, or Employee + Family?

Are you paying the whole premium or is the employer cost sharing? If cost sharing what is the percentage split and what is the employer portion?

I'd be happy to provide our approximate rates but need more data before I can do an apples-to-apples comparsison.

WW

I pay me and wife. Alabama.

This is employer plan with cost share.

 

[Lisa558]

What do you think is a fair hourly rate for a beginning teacher, say?

Depends on the area of course, but in the DC area I’d say around $40,000?

A mid career teacher?

$70,000.

An experienced veteran teacher?

$90,000.

And these salaries don’t factor in two months off every summer.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Plus they get the entire summer off.

Unpaid time off. 10 Month teachers are paid typically on a 200 day contract.

WW

 

[rightwinger]

What do you think is a fair hourly rate for a beginning teacher, say?

A mid career teacher?

An experienced veteran teacher?

I live in NJ where experienced teachers make six figures

Many states pay their teachers shit and get what they pay for.

I think a teacher making 3/4 of what other similar professionals make is fair

 

[SweetSue92]

1/2 ending salary is not bad. Same as military that goes into combat.

One of my sisters had to stay in teaching specifically because of insurance. My Nephew had Cerabal Palsy. Has to have it and her insurance via teaching has covered him all his life.

I still say other than govt or military your insurance is better than most of us out here's insurance.

Well you can say that. But you're wrong.

 

[SweetSue92]

I live in NJ where experienced teachers make six figures

Many states pay their teachers shit and get what they pay for.

I think a teacher making 3/4 of what other similar professionals make is fair

Can't answer or won't answer? I broke down the dollar amount, and that's just for CONTRACTED hours.

So you tell me what you consider a fair hourly rate for teachers.

 

[Lisa558]

Okay, so when your custodians call in sick, they have to write sub plans for three hours?

No, but I had to work plenty of weekends and evenings until 8 pm when the work demand required it.

How many times did you have to cancel out-of-town guests because the Division VP had a last-minute project due Monday, and you had to work through the weekend?

 

[SweetSue92]

Depends on the area of course, but in the DC area I’d say around $40,000?


$70,000.

$90,000.

And these salaries don’t factor in two months off every summer.

The market says no. No young people are going into this for 40K just for the Millennial parents to tell them everything they're doing wrong for Ava and Jaxon.

 

[eagle1462010]

Wow, so many are still stuck in the 80s.

Our last day is June 6th this year. I report to my school OFFICIALLY on August 18th, and will put hours in before that, both at home and at school. That's ten weeks, not "three months" that it used to be, from Memorial Day to Labor Day.

I get on average 2 weeks vacation a year. No holiday pay. No sick days. My deductables are higher than Alabama teachers. My cost is MASSIVELY HIGHER THAN TEACHERS.

I just posted Alabama data. My sisters loved and still love their insurance. They are both retired with VERY GOOD PENSIONS

 

[WorldWatcher]

Okay, so when your custodians call in sick, they have to write sub plans for three hours?

Nope, but they are hourly employees not licensed professional.

As exempt EEs that why we make the big bucks. ( That was humor.)

WW

 

[sparky]

The focus on the worker ant in public ed is unfair here.

The real cost/benefit skew is all the supervisory administration

why do you think the DOE is being shown the door?

~S~

 

[yeh]

Abolish public education.

 

[Lisa558]

Unpaid time off. 10 Month teachers are paid typically on a 200 day contract.

WW

Whatever. The numbers are still an annual salary.

On of my childhood friends earned more than $100,000 as a 10th grade teacher, and traveled to Europe for a month every summer.

 

[WorldWatcher]

I pay me and wife. Alabama.

This is employer plan with cost share.

What’s the employer percentage?

Medical only or include dental and vision?

WW

 

[SweetSue92]

No, but I had to work plenty of weekends and evenings until 8 pm when the work demand required it.

How many times did you have to cancel out-of-town guests because the Division VP had a last-minute project due Monday, and you had to work through the weekend?

Hahaha. How many times have evaluations been held over our heads when we don't show up, free of charge, to the school carnival, concerts, etc?

We don't get "do it for the kids" pay, but man oh man, are we expected to do it for the kids.

Bluntly, as another poster here said, it used to be worth it, because parents and society appreciated you.

Now the pay is not great and no one appreciates us at all.

And now no one is going into it.

And sadly, very sadly, I tell people not to go into it.

If you think the A and B team of teachers was bad, wait til you get the D team. They are coming. Trust that

 

[Lisa558]

The market says no. No young people are going into this for 40K just for the Millennial parents to tell them everything they're doing wrong for Ava and Jaxon.

Plenty of professions start at $40k.

My first post-college job paid $10,600 in 1979. In today’s dollars, that’s $46,000. And of course I had to work the full year.