Attack On The Middle Class

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There is nothing "normal" about a nation having a middle class, even though it is vital to the survival of democracy.
As twenty-three years of conservative economic policies have now shown millions of Americans, what's "normal" in a "free and unfettered" economy is the rapid evolution of a small but fabulously wealthy ownership class, and a large but poor working class. If a nation wants a middle class, it must define it, desire it, and work to both create and keep it.
This is because a middle class is the creation of government participation (conservatives call it "interference") in the marketplace, by determining the rules of the game.
"Those seeking profits," Jefferson wrote, "were they given total freedom, would not be the ones to trust to keep government pure and our rights secure. Indeed, it has always been those seeking wealth who were the source of corruption in government.
As Jefferson realized, with no government "interference" by setting the rules of the game of business and fair taxation, there will be no middle class.
Conservatives believe what business does is business's business, and government should keep its nose out of it.
As the Wall Street Journal noted in 1997, Alan Greenspan sees one of his main jobs as being to maintain a high enough level of "worker insecurity" that employees won't demand pay raises and benefits increases, thus provoking "wage inflation." ("CEO inflation" is fine)
Thomas Jefferson -- if the government doesn't actively participate in regulating how the game of business is played, the middle class would vanish.
And to stimulate that domestic economy, we instituted progressive taxation, which gave workers more to spend, thus stimulating demand for more goods and services.
The elite cons who seem to truly believe that a CEO actually works 500 times harder than his employees (or is 500 times smarter).
But history shows that the third pillar of creating a middle class requires a modest control of how wealth is distributed. The richest, who benefit the most from our society, pay proportionately more, so the middle class can have home interest deductions, child tax credits, free public education, and health care. Progressive taxation has helped create every middle class in the First World, and without it the middle class will vanish (to Steve Forbes delight, apparently).
But as president Reagan cut the top tax rate for billionaires from 70 percent to 28 percent, while effectively raising taxes on working people via the payroll tax and using inflation against a non-indexed tax system. It was another hit to the already-beginning-to-shrink middle class, to be followed by more "tax cut" bludgeons during the first three years of the W. Bush administration.
Nonetheless, a never-ending parade of conservative economists and commentators march through our living rooms daily via radio and TV, assuring us that it is good for American workers to go along with the Wal-Martization of America, accept lower pay and few benefits, and fear for their health, so multinational corporations can "level the playing field" for labor.
Unless we repeal Taft-Hartley; start enforcing the Sherman act, provide free education for Americans (and not just Iraqis); abandon WTO/GATT and NAFTA; restore progressive taxation (including on dividend income); force corporations to pay their fair share; and go back to selective tariffs to protect domestic industries and stop offshoring to explicitly bring home the ability for us to make our own clothes, furniture, autos, and electronics, the conservatives will have won and the middle class -- and, thus, democracy -- will lose.
The middle class is not a "normal" thing: it's just the core that holds together democracy and an
ThomHartmann.com - Scrooge & Marley, Inc. - The True Conservative Agenda
 
There is nothing "normal" about a nation having a middle class, even though it is vital to the survival of democracy.
As twenty-three years of conservative economic policies have now shown millions of Americans, what's "normal" in a "free and unfettered" economy is the rapid evolution of a small but fabulously wealthy ownership class, and a large but poor working class. If a nation wants a middle class, it must define it, desire it, and work to both create and keep it.
This is because a middle class is the creation of government participation (conservatives call it "interference") in the marketplace, by determining the rules of the game.
"Those seeking profits," Jefferson wrote, "were they given total freedom, would not be the ones to trust to keep government pure and our rights secure. Indeed, it has always been those seeking wealth who were the source of corruption in government.
As Jefferson realized, with no government "interference" by setting the rules of the game of business and fair taxation, there will be no middle class.
Conservatives believe what business does is business's business, and government should keep its nose out of it.
As the Wall Street Journal noted in 1997, Alan Greenspan sees one of his main jobs as being to maintain a high enough level of "worker insecurity" that employees won't demand pay raises and benefits increases, thus provoking "wage inflation." ("CEO inflation" is fine)
Thomas Jefferson -- if the government doesn't actively participate in regulating how the game of business is played, the middle class would vanish.
And to stimulate that domestic economy, we instituted progressive taxation, which gave workers more to spend, thus stimulating demand for more goods and services.
The elite cons who seem to truly believe that a CEO actually works 500 times harder than his employees (or is 500 times smarter).
But history shows that the third pillar of creating a middle class requires a modest control of how wealth is distributed. The richest, who benefit the most from our society, pay proportionately more, so the middle class can have home interest deductions, child tax credits, free public education, and health care. Progressive taxation has helped create every middle class in the First World, and without it the middle class will vanish (to Steve Forbes delight, apparently).
But as president Reagan cut the top tax rate for billionaires from 70 percent to 28 percent, while effectively raising taxes on working people via the payroll tax and using inflation against a non-indexed tax system. It was another hit to the already-beginning-to-shrink middle class, to be followed by more "tax cut" bludgeons during the first three years of the W. Bush administration.
Nonetheless, a never-ending parade of conservative economists and commentators march through our living rooms daily via radio and TV, assuring us that it is good for American workers to go along with the Wal-Martization of America, accept lower pay and few benefits, and fear for their health, so multinational corporations can "level the playing field" for labor.
Unless we repeal Taft-Hartley; start enforcing the Sherman act, provide free education for Americans (and not just Iraqis); abandon WTO/GATT and NAFTA; restore progressive taxation (including on dividend income); force corporations to pay their fair share; and go back to selective tariffs to protect domestic industries and stop offshoring to explicitly bring home the ability for us to make our own clothes, furniture, autos, and electronics, the conservatives will have won and the middle class -- and, thus, democracy -- will lose.
The middle class is not a "normal" thing: it's just the core that holds together democracy and an
ThomHartmann.com - Scrooge & Marley, Inc. - The True Conservative Agenda
Here it is you stupid Republican sonofabitches! Me and Tom hartmann telling you NAFTA was a problem back in 2008. What were you assholes saying back then?
 
The middle class is not a "normal" thing: it's just the core that holds together democracy

true, so why did liberals ship their jobs to china using liberal unions liberal deficits and the highest liberal taxes in the world???

and why did liberals attack and destroy the family schools and religion rendering many Americans unfit for middle class work?
 
The middle class is not a "normal" thing: it's just the core that holds together democracy

true, so why did liberals ship their jobs to china using liberal unions liberal deficits and the highest liberal taxes in the world???

and why did liberals attack and destroy the family schools and religion rendering many Americans unfit for middle class work?
If you like what you hear trump saying then you have agreed with me all this time but wouldn't fucking admit it. Not one of you cons have ever been anti NAFTA. This is an angle Republicans are going to flip flop on now or are they going to disagree with trump? If you vote for trump you admit liberals were right.

Yes bill Clinton signed the Republicans NAFTA and yes hillary voted for the GOP Iraq war but don't forget it was the GOP's NAFTA and the GOP's war
 
Actually Thom wrote that in 2004
Us liberals have been warning about unfair nafta sinc e bush 1 ceremoniously signed it in 1991. Every Republican voted for NAFTA.

NAFTA was a done deal. So Clinton put in protections for American workers. Bush remov Ed those protections.

If independents vote for trump because of NAFTA they better vote against all other Republicans because they love NAFTA including the apprentice Mike pence
 
There is nothing "normal" about a nation having a middle class, even though it is vital to the survival of democracy.
As twenty-three years of conservative economic policies have now shown millions of Americans, what's "normal" in a "free and unfettered" economy is the rapid evolution of a small but fabulously wealthy ownership class, and a large but poor working class. If a nation wants a middle class, it must define it, desire it, and work to both create and keep it.
This is because a middle class is the creation of government participation (conservatives call it "interference") in the marketplace, by determining the rules of the game.
"Those seeking profits," Jefferson wrote, "were they given total freedom, would not be the ones to trust to keep government pure and our rights secure. Indeed, it has always been those seeking wealth who were the source of corruption in government.
As Jefferson realized, with no government "interference" by setting the rules of the game of business and fair taxation, there will be no middle class.
Conservatives believe what business does is business's business, and government should keep its nose out of it.
As the Wall Street Journal noted in 1997, Alan Greenspan sees one of his main jobs as being to maintain a high enough level of "worker insecurity" that employees won't demand pay raises and benefits increases, thus provoking "wage inflation." ("CEO inflation" is fine)
Thomas Jefferson -- if the government doesn't actively participate in regulating how the game of business is played, the middle class would vanish.
And to stimulate that domestic economy, we instituted progressive taxation, which gave workers more to spend, thus stimulating demand for more goods and services.
The elite cons who seem to truly believe that a CEO actually works 500 times harder than his employees (or is 500 times smarter).
But history shows that the third pillar of creating a middle class requires a modest control of how wealth is distributed. The richest, who benefit the most from our society, pay proportionately more, so the middle class can have home interest deductions, child tax credits, free public education, and health care. Progressive taxation has helped create every middle class in the First World, and without it the middle class will vanish (to Steve Forbes delight, apparently).
But as president Reagan cut the top tax rate for billionaires from 70 percent to 28 percent, while effectively raising taxes on working people via the payroll tax and using inflation against a non-indexed tax system. It was another hit to the already-beginning-to-shrink middle class, to be followed by more "tax cut" bludgeons during the first three years of the W. Bush administration.
Nonetheless, a never-ending parade of conservative economists and commentators march through our living rooms daily via radio and TV, assuring us that it is good for American workers to go along with the Wal-Martization of America, accept lower pay and few benefits, and fear for their health, so multinational corporations can "level the playing field" for labor.
Unless we repeal Taft-Hartley; start enforcing the Sherman act, provide free education for Americans (and not just Iraqis); abandon WTO/GATT and NAFTA; restore progressive taxation (including on dividend income); force corporations to pay their fair share; and go back to selective tariffs to protect domestic industries and stop offshoring to explicitly bring home the ability for us to make our own clothes, furniture, autos, and electronics, the conservatives will have won and the middle class -- and, thus, democracy -- will lose.
The middle class is not a "normal" thing: it's just the core that holds together democracy and an
ThomHartmann.com - Scrooge & Marley, Inc. - The True Conservative Agenda


"The Middle class has been buried these past four years" -- Joe Biden Oct 2012
 
GHW Bush warned everyone back in 1999 that Reaganomics was Voodoo Economics.

But nobody believed him then or now.

GW Bush then added even more tax cuts for the rich than Reagan had.

So there was a economic disconnect between father and son.

Reaganomics and W's tax cuts are what have destroyed the middle class in America.

They have now all become working poor whether they know it or not.

Anyway that's what happened and why it happened.

As for the solution, that will take a long long time.

No more tax cuts for the rich is step #1.

Robber Baron Romney wanted more tax cuts for the rich.

When you hear this, you have to turn that fruitcake who is saying it out of office.
 
GHW Bush warned everyone back in 1999 that Reaganomics was Voodoo Economics.

But nobody believed him then or now.

GW Bush then added even more tax cuts for the rich than Reagan had.

So there was a economic disconnect between father and son.

Reaganomics and W's tax cuts are what have destroyed the middle class in America.

They have now all become working poor whether they know it or not.

Anyway that's what happened and why it happened.

As for the solution, that will take a long long time.

No more tax cuts for the rich is step #1.

Robber Baron Romney wanted more tax cuts for the rich.

When you hear this, you have to turn that fruitcake who is saying it out of office.

That's about as wrong as Krugman, off in the ten trillions column
 
GHW Bush warned everyone back in 1999 that Reaganomics was Voodoo Economics.

But nobody believed him then or now.

GW Bush then added even more tax cuts for the rich than Reagan had.

So there was a economic disconnect between father and son.

Reaganomics and W's tax cuts are what have destroyed the middle class in America.

They have now all become working poor whether they know it or not.

Anyway that's what happened and why it happened.

As for the solution, that will take a long long time.

No more tax cuts for the rich is step #1.

Robber Baron Romney wanted more tax cuts for the rich.

When you hear this, you have to turn that fruitcake who is saying it out of office.

That's about as wrong as Krugman, off in the ten trillions column
All I know is whenever I've ever posted Thom hartmann stuff cons said Thom was a liberal wacko. But here Republicans are agreeing with trump. If you agree with trump you agree with me and thom. This is proof Republican voters are manipulatable sheep. This is proof!!! Back when I posted this and when Thom wrote the article Republicans were free traders. Now they aren't?

This is why I don't buy into trump. No way the GOP should control all three houses.

And trumps a liar. He's telling underpaid uneducated what they want to hear.

I love what trumps saying though. Love it! If he wins he better fix NAFTA. If he does that I'll vote for him in 2020.

No way I want trump appointing supremes or going along with Paul and mitch
 
GHW Bush warned everyone back in 1999 that Reaganomics was Voodoo Economics.

But nobody believed him then or now.

GW Bush then added even more tax cuts for the rich than Reagan had.

So there was a economic disconnect between father and son.

Reaganomics and W's tax cuts are what have destroyed the middle class in America.

They have now all become working poor whether they know it or not.

Anyway that's what happened and why it happened.

As for the solution, that will take a long long time.

No more tax cuts for the rich is step #1.

Robber Baron Romney wanted more tax cuts for the rich.

When you hear this, you have to turn that fruitcake who is saying it out of office.
What do you mean no one believed Reagan was practicing voodoo economics.

Fact is before and during Reagan's run corporations started breaking the social contract with Americans. Their only priority was profits for shareholders. So companies started slashing wages and workers to meet quarterly profits.

We need to fix NAFTA. No ones against fair trade. NAFTA was a done deal. But nafta's been altered many times since Clinton signed it.

Also remember bush 2 tried letting Mexican truckers into the US.

Republicans serve corporations and if corporations only care about profits letting Mexican truckers in makes good sense
 
There is nothing "normal" about a nation having a middle class, even though it is vital to the survival of democracy.
As twenty-three years of conservative economic policies have now shown millions of Americans, what's "normal" in a "free and unfettered" economy is the rapid evolution of a small but fabulously wealthy ownership class, and a large but poor working class. If a nation wants a middle class, it must define it, desire it, and work to both create and keep it.
This is because a middle class is the creation of government participation (conservatives call it "interference") in the marketplace, by determining the rules of the game.
"Those seeking profits," Jefferson wrote, "were they given total freedom, would not be the ones to trust to keep government pure and our rights secure. Indeed, it has always been those seeking wealth who were the source of corruption in government.
As Jefferson realized, with no government "interference" by setting the rules of the game of business and fair taxation, there will be no middle class.
Conservatives believe what business does is business's business, and government should keep its nose out of it.
As the Wall Street Journal noted in 1997, Alan Greenspan sees one of his main jobs as being to maintain a high enough level of "worker insecurity" that employees won't demand pay raises and benefits increases, thus provoking "wage inflation." ("CEO inflation" is fine)
Thomas Jefferson -- if the government doesn't actively participate in regulating how the game of business is played, the middle class would vanish.
And to stimulate that domestic economy, we instituted progressive taxation, which gave workers more to spend, thus stimulating demand for more goods and services.
The elite cons who seem to truly believe that a CEO actually works 500 times harder than his employees (or is 500 times smarter).
But history shows that the third pillar of creating a middle class requires a modest control of how wealth is distributed. The richest, who benefit the most from our society, pay proportionately more, so the middle class can have home interest deductions, child tax credits, free public education, and health care. Progressive taxation has helped create every middle class in the First World, and without it the middle class will vanish (to Steve Forbes delight, apparently).
But as president Reagan cut the top tax rate for billionaires from 70 percent to 28 percent, while effectively raising taxes on working people via the payroll tax and using inflation against a non-indexed tax system. It was another hit to the already-beginning-to-shrink middle class, to be followed by more "tax cut" bludgeons during the first three years of the W. Bush administration.
Nonetheless, a never-ending parade of conservative economists and commentators march through our living rooms daily via radio and TV, assuring us that it is good for American workers to go along with the Wal-Martization of America, accept lower pay and few benefits, and fear for their health, so multinational corporations can "level the playing field" for labor.
Unless we repeal Taft-Hartley; start enforcing the Sherman act, provide free education for Americans (and not just Iraqis); abandon WTO/GATT and NAFTA; restore progressive taxation (including on dividend income); force corporations to pay their fair share; and go back to selective tariffs to protect domestic industries and stop offshoring to explicitly bring home the ability for us to make our own clothes, furniture, autos, and electronics, the conservatives will have won and the middle class -- and, thus, democracy -- will lose.
The middle class is not a "normal" thing: it's just the core that holds together democracy and an
ThomHartmann.com - Scrooge & Marley, Inc. - The True Conservative Agenda


"The Middle class has been buried these past four years" -- Joe Biden Oct 2012
What a surprise. No link. So we can not see the context. Typical con move.
 
There is nothing "normal" about a nation having a middle class, even though it is vital to the survival of democracy.
As twenty-three years of conservative economic policies have now shown millions of Americans, what's "normal" in a "free and unfettered" economy is the rapid evolution of a small but fabulously wealthy ownership class, and a large but poor working class. If a nation wants a middle class, it must define it, desire it, and work to both create and keep it.
This is because a middle class is the creation of government participation (conservatives call it "interference") in the marketplace, by determining the rules of the game.
"Those seeking profits," Jefferson wrote, "were they given total freedom, would not be the ones to trust to keep government pure and our rights secure. Indeed, it has always been those seeking wealth who were the source of corruption in government.
As Jefferson realized, with no government "interference" by setting the rules of the game of business and fair taxation, there will be no middle class.
Conservatives believe what business does is business's business, and government should keep its nose out of it.
As the Wall Street Journal noted in 1997, Alan Greenspan sees one of his main jobs as being to maintain a high enough level of "worker insecurity" that employees won't demand pay raises and benefits increases, thus provoking "wage inflation." ("CEO inflation" is fine)
Thomas Jefferson -- if the government doesn't actively participate in regulating how the game of business is played, the middle class would vanish.
And to stimulate that domestic economy, we instituted progressive taxation, which gave workers more to spend, thus stimulating demand for more goods and services.
The elite cons who seem to truly believe that a CEO actually works 500 times harder than his employees (or is 500 times smarter).
But history shows that the third pillar of creating a middle class requires a modest control of how wealth is distributed. The richest, who benefit the most from our society, pay proportionately more, so the middle class can have home interest deductions, child tax credits, free public education, and health care. Progressive taxation has helped create every middle class in the First World, and without it the middle class will vanish (to Steve Forbes delight, apparently).
But as president Reagan cut the top tax rate for billionaires from 70 percent to 28 percent, while effectively raising taxes on working people via the payroll tax and using inflation against a non-indexed tax system. It was another hit to the already-beginning-to-shrink middle class, to be followed by more "tax cut" bludgeons during the first three years of the W. Bush administration.
Nonetheless, a never-ending parade of conservative economists and commentators march through our living rooms daily via radio and TV, assuring us that it is good for American workers to go along with the Wal-Martization of America, accept lower pay and few benefits, and fear for their health, so multinational corporations can "level the playing field" for labor.
Unless we repeal Taft-Hartley; start enforcing the Sherman act, provide free education for Americans (and not just Iraqis); abandon WTO/GATT and NAFTA; restore progressive taxation (including on dividend income); force corporations to pay their fair share; and go back to selective tariffs to protect domestic industries and stop offshoring to explicitly bring home the ability for us to make our own clothes, furniture, autos, and electronics, the conservatives will have won and the middle class -- and, thus, democracy -- will lose.
The middle class is not a "normal" thing: it's just the core that holds together democracy and an
ThomHartmann.com - Scrooge & Marley, Inc. - The True Conservative Agenda


"The Middle class has been buried these past four years" -- Joe Biden Oct 2012
What a surprise. No link. So we can not see the context. Typical con move.

How can you tell a Progressive is spinning?

Context

Biden tells audience middle class has been 'buried' last four years
 
but don't forget it was the GOP's NAFTA and the GOP's war
as a typically slow liberal you totally misunderstand!!!

1) since Smoot Hawley Great Depression both sides have been increasingly for Republican capitalist free trade.

2) free trade has also been far far better than our nukes at civilizing China and at preserving peace on earth

3) Republicans are for free trade, and NAFTA to the extent NAFTA represents free trade capitalism

4) In an effort to convert China to Republican free trade capitalism we perhaps gave them too much which Trump now wants to get back at least in part.

Too subtle for a liberal??
 
but don't forget it was the GOP's NAFTA and the GOP's war
as a typically slow liberal you totally misunderstand!!!

1) since Smoot Hawley Great Depression both sides have been increasingly for Republican capitalist free trade.

2) free trade has also been far far better than our nukes at civilizing China and at preserving peace on earth

3) Republicans are for free trade, and NAFTA to the extent NAFTA represents free trade capitalism

4) In an effort to convert China to Republican free trade capitalism we perhaps gave them too much which Trump now wants to get back at least in part.

Too subtle for a liberal??
Nice spin. Just know trumps rhetoric on nafta and you voting for him based on that rhetoric confirms I was right and you need to start listening to Thom hartmann. He was right long before trump. Trump also sounds a lot like Michael Moore.
 
Nice spin.

where is spin exactly????
Sorry, I'm also watching movie I didn't read your reply carefully. I agree we should bring up the rest of the world too.

What about one year when bush tried to let Mexican truckers into America. The truckers stopped that at the border. You don't see what american corporations are doing? Of course you don't because you are a con tool. Yes spin. I love how Republican always falls back on how both sides are for free trade or to blame. You can never admit being wrong. No sir, unions were never for free trade. And I'm not buying trumps tariffs. Even Mike pence disagrees with tariffs.

Tariffs aren't good for corporations. How's a con like you feel about trumps tariffs?
 
Nice spin.

where is spin exactly????
Sorry, I'm also watching movie I didn't read your reply carefully. I agree we should bring up the rest of the world too.

What about one year when bush tried to let Mexican truckers into America. The truckers stopped that at the border. You don't see what american corporations are doing? Of course you don't because you are a con tool. Yes spin. I love how Republican always falls back on how both sides are for free trade or to blame. You can never admit being wrong. No sir, unions were never for free trade. And I'm not buying trumps tariffs. Even Mike pence disagrees with tariffs.

Tariffs aren't good for corporations. How's a con like you feel about trumps tariffs?

Silly boo boo watching a movie
beavisandbutthead.jpg
 
You can never admit being wrong.
what have conservatives been wrong about??
Let's start with creating NAFTA? You made it and Clinton signed it but Clinton put in protections for labor and the environment. Bush removed those protections.

If you are rich the Republicans haven't done anything wrong. Mission accomplished if you are rich.

But if they want even more tax breaks they got to get a Republican elected.

Republicans will never go along with trumps tariffs. You said tariffs are no good. But you're going to vote for trump the tariffer?
 

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