Arizona will require Obama to provide birth cert if he wants to be on ballot

[JBeukema]

Isn't it already a Federal requirement to be a natural born citizen of the US in order to be prez?? why yes I think it is.. therefore it is not unreasonable to require proof.. ie a birth certificate.

It's unreasonable and unconstitutional for a specific state to be making these sort of requirements. How would you like it if 20 states banned Christians running for public office? I highly doubt you'd like that at all.

Is it a Federal Law you cannot be a Christian?

Some states still don't let atheists run for office...

 

[Madeline]

The US Constitution sets down requirements for eligibility for the US President and Vice President, as well as senators and representatives. No state can supercede the authority of the Federal Election Commission or the Federal Judiciary to apply these provisions to the facts. The Arizona law, if adopted, shows a lack of understanding of the way our government works by the legislators of that state and is not reflecting well on them, or on residents of Arizona.

There is a long and well-established body of law on this point, arising from efforts of Southern states to prevent black citizens from voting. The states do not have the power to determine who can vote in a federal election...nor who can run.

 

[geauxtohell]

And you never wonder why?

Why the lower standard? Aren't you the least bit curious?

And remember, Kerry didn't release his until July after the election.... And it showed his grades worse than Dubya's!

Could this be why? Grades maybe not all that good?

So much for "transparency" and you're perfectly okay with it!

No, I wonder. Here is my theory:

I think Obama knows once he starts giving into the demands of the fringe right, they will continue to become more and more bizarre until he will regret opening up that pandora's box.

The birthers are proof of this theory.

Also, the birthers have tried to use his college records as proof he is not a NBC, so that's hurting those of you who want to see his records for other reasons.

The same people who were going nutso over Booooosh not releasing his transcripts are okay with Obama not releasing his.

Case closed. Hypocrites.

You thought it was anything else but gotcha politics? You bring up another good reason not to release his transcript: no good will come of it. People will find the worst thing, ignore the good, and harp on the bad.

FWIW, I only wanted Bush's military records released. I don't think it's too much to ask that a president who fancies himself a warrior king (but with a questionable military record) offer some disclosure.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

No, I wonder. Here is my theory:

I think Obama knows once he starts giving into the demands of the fringe right, they will continue to become more and more bizarre until he will regret opening up that pandora's box.

The birthers are proof of this theory.

Also, the birthers have tried to use his college records as proof he is not a NBC, so that's hurting those of you who want to see his records for other reasons.

The same people who were going nutso over Booooosh not releasing his transcripts are okay with Obama not releasing his.

Case closed. Hypocrites.

You thought it was anything else but gotcha politics? You bring up another good reason not to release his transcript: no good will come of it. People will find the worst thing, ignore the good, and harp on the bad.

FWIW, I only wanted Bush's military records released. I don't think it's too much to ask that a president who fancies himself a warrior king (but with a questionable military record) offer some disclosure.

Obama preaches Transparency. Where is it?

 

[geauxtohell]

The same people who were going nutso over Booooosh not releasing his transcripts are okay with Obama not releasing his.

Case closed. Hypocrites.

You thought it was anything else but gotcha politics? You bring up another good reason not to release his transcript: no good will come of it. People will find the worst thing, ignore the good, and harp on the bad.

FWIW, I only wanted Bush's military records released. I don't think it's too much to ask that a president who fancies himself a warrior king (but with a questionable military record) offer some disclosure.

Obama preaches Transparency. Where is it?

I don't think he was referring to his personal life when he said that.

What's next? You guys want a camera in his bedroom?

 

[Againsheila]

Lol. Go Arizona!
2012 is only 2 years away. Thank goodness.

"The Arizona House on Monday voted for a provision that would require President Barack Obama to show his birth certificate if he hopes to be on the state's ballot when he runs for reelection."

Ariz House: Check Obama's Citizenship - Phoenix News Story - KPHO Phoenix

So you want Arizona to continue making unconstitutional laws?

What's unconstitutional about requiring candidates to prove the are eligible for the position they are running for?

 

[GWV5903]

Isn't it already a Federal requirement to be a natural born citizen of the US in order to be prez?? why yes I think it is.. therefore it is not unreasonable to require proof.. ie a birth certificate.

It's unreasonable and unconstitutional for a specific state to be making these sort of requirements. How would you like it if 20 states banned Christians running for public office? I highly doubt you'd like that at all.

How is it unconstitutional if the constitution requires a natural born citizen? If 20 states banned Christians, that would be unconstitutional, why do you're type always use Christians? Why do Christians scare you?

They are not requiring anything that is not already required, his live birth certificate long form is the real question, if it exist show it and put this issue in the rear view mirror.....

 

[goldcatt]

He has already done so, as according to the law, twice. A federal law is a big difference than a state law. A state law sets precedent for certain other kind of tests in order to be eligible to be President. It's unconstitutional.

Supremacy Clause!

Goldcatt can correct me if I am incorrect about that notion.

States determine how one is eligible to be on their ballot.

Yes...and no. There are statutory limits beyond the obvious Constitutional requirements when it comes to Federal elections. But I don't know enough details off the top of my head to automatically assume a properly drafted law would be unconstitutional, so I'm going to assume for now it will pass muster (although I can see at minimum a close argument on each side).

 

[Dr Grump]

What's unconstitutional about requiring candidates to prove the are eligible for the position they are running for?

He's already done that. How do you think he got to run in the first place?

 

[Modbert]

How is it unconstitutional if the constitution requires a natural born citizen? If 20 states banned Christians, that would be unconstitutional, why do you're type always use Christians? Why do Christians scare you?

They are not requiring anything that is not already required, his live birth certificate long form is the real question, if it exist show it and put this issue in the rear view mirror.....

Pure ignorance. Fact is, Obama has proven time and time again he is a citizen according to the law. Birthers such as yourself are trying to skirt the law and ram a unconstitutional law in. I use christians because the people spewing this ignorant bullshit are white, middle aged to old christian people. I happen to be a young christian person, so no, I'm not scared of Christians.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

You thought it was anything else but gotcha politics? You bring up another good reason not to release his transcript: no good will come of it. People will find the worst thing, ignore the good, and harp on the bad.

FWIW, I only wanted Bush's military records released. I don't think it's too much to ask that a president who fancies himself a warrior king (but with a questionable military record) offer some disclosure.

Obama preaches Transparency. Where is it?

I don't think he was referring to his personal life when he said that.

What's next? You guys want a camera in his bedroom?

I don't know who you think "you guys" are. I detest the birthers and was among the earliest burners of such. I voted FOR Obama and am not a repug or a conservative.

The problem is, he is breaking a precedent on transcripts going all the way back to Billy at least. Why? It's not to be seen as not appeasing the "right wing fringe" because it's not just them who want to see the transcripts.

It almost seems racist to me, that he's being given a pass on this, almost like it's some sort of fucked up affirmative action thing going on. "We know you're dumb because you're black and disadvantaged, so we don't need to see the transcripts."

It was the MEDIA and the PRESS calling for Bush's transcripts. They are MUM on Obama's.

Why?

 

[Avatar4321]

States determine how one is eligible to be on their ballot.

So what happens if a state decides that you have to be straight to be on their ballot? Or Christian?

This is why it's unconstitutional for these certain kind of tests to be made up and made law by the states.

You dont at all see the difference between an unconstitutional request and a request to prove that you are constitutionally eligible? Seriously?

 

[Modbert]

You dont at all see the difference between an unconstitutional request and a request to prove that you are constitutionally eligible? Seriously?

Except this is an unconstitutional request by the state, and sets a horrible precedent. There is already a system in place to make someone is constitutionally eligible. It has worked for how many years now? Unless you think it failed, and are a birther, there is no reason to think it's going to fail anytime soon.

 

[Avatar4321]

Arizona Republicans are afraid Obama is going to win their State. Heck, he almost took it from McCain. Bush stole Tennessee from Gore just like he stole Florida and Ohio. Little known fact.

See, this is where you guys make no sense.

You say it's obvious that President Obama is was born in Hawaii and you have shown the certificate to prove it. So what's the issue? He and every other candidate provides the info and they are on the ballot. How does this keep him off the ballot unless he can't provide it?

I think the birther movement is completely stupid and a waste of time. Yet, you guys are scared of candidates providing proof of eligibility when if what you say is correct, Obama has done so many times. Why are you upset then? It makes absolutely no sense.

The issue is: you guys are still making it an issue.

No we arent. As far as Im concerned Obama proved he is a citizen long ago. But the fact that you don't have to provide evidence your eligibility to get on the ballot is disturbing. Why shouldnt all candidates provide evidence that they are Constitutionally eligible before they can get on the ballot? Why is it unreasonable to do so?

 

[Avatar4321]

You dont at all see the difference between an unconstitutional request and a request to prove that you are constitutionally eligible? Seriously?

Except this is an unconstitutional request by the state, and sets a horrible precedent. There is already a system in place to make someone is constitutionally eligible. It has worked for how many years now? Unless you think it failed, and are a birther, there is no reason to think it's going to fail anytime soon.

It's not unconstitutional because states decide how candidates get on ballots and requesting that the candidate prove their Constitutional eligibility is not possibly unconstitutional.

Are you seriously telling me that you think that if an illegal allien gets enough signatures to be on the ballot as a Presidential candidate, they should be allowed to be placed on the ballot without proving that they are a Natural Born Citizen?

 

[Avatar4321]

The US Constitution sets down requirements for eligibility for the US President and Vice President, as well as senators and representatives. No state can supercede the authority of the Federal Election Commission or the Federal Judiciary to apply these provisions to the facts. The Arizona law, if adopted, shows a lack of understanding of the way our government works by the legislators of that state and is not reflecting well on them, or on residents of Arizona.

There is a long and well-established body of law on this point, arising from efforts of Southern states to prevent black citizens from voting. The states do not have the power to determine who can vote in a federal election...nor who can run.

The state isnt determining who can run. The Constitution is.

Why is this is difficult to grasp?

 

[Modbert]

It's not unconstitutional because states decide how candidates get on ballots and requesting that the candidate prove their Constitutional eligibility is not possibly unconstitutional.

Are you seriously telling me that you think that if an illegal allien gets enough signatures to be on the ballot as a Presidential candidate, they should be allowed to be placed on the ballot without proving that they are a Natural Born Citizen?

An illegal alien getting enough signatures to be on the ballot would have to prove they are a Natural Born Citizen. Obama already has, as have previous Presidents. What do you think? They just allow anyone to run for President? There is a necessary amount of paperwork. Never mind the fact if you lie on a federal document, that's a crime.

Seriously, just come out and say you're a birther, be proud of it. This is whole "well they have to prove their Constitutional eligibility" bullshit is a good excuse but it doesn't work. Especially when there is a system already in place.

You seem to ignore the fact this would set a horrible precedent, why is that?

 

[KidNatural]

Remember folks..........this is the same state that is going to allow law enforcement to check people out if they have "reasonable suspicion" that they aren't here legally.

The cop can decide what is reasonable suspicion, and if the person questioned can't show proof of being a citizen, they are locked up.

In other words............a police state.............."show us your papers or go to jail".

If they're gonna do stupid shit like the above, requiring a birth certificate is ALMOST sane.

You're talking about a state that continues to re-elect Joe Arpaio over and over again. Muammar Gaddafi doesn't have the job security Sheriff Joe does. Sanity isn't relevant in Arizona.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Arizona Republicans are afraid Obama is going to win their State. Heck, he almost took it from McCain. Bush stole Tennessee from Gore just like he stole Florida and Ohio. Little known fact.

holy shit......i thought i saw a Bobo......

 

[Rambunctious]

Lol. Go Arizona!
2012 is only 2 years away. Thank goodness.

"The Arizona House on Monday voted for a provision that would require President Barack Obama to show his birth certificate if he hopes to be on the state's ballot when he runs for reelection."

Ariz House: Check Obama's Citizenship - Phoenix News Story - KPHO Phoenix

Way to go! Valley of the sun!