Are you a conservative?

[Wry Catcher]

I’ll start with this one.......

• I have empathy for the working poor, the drug an alcohol dependent, the mentally ill, physically ill and the aged, children and animals;

The working poor should get an education or learn a skill.
There are a lot of resources available for those with drug/alcohol dependency and mental illness.
I’m big on protecting the elderly, young, and animals. I’m also good with helping those with physical disabilities.

You've not walked in all of the shoes of the working poor. In fact, there are tens of thousands, maybe millions, of the working poor you've painted with a very broad brush.

And you have?

During my college years I worked as a recreation director and coached kids who lived in public housing in seasonal sports: baseball, softball, basketball, touch football and soccer.

The answer is yes.

 

[Wry Catcher]

In my mind I've categorized conservative into several sub-types. Help me, and others who are not conservatives which sub-type of conservative best defines you in terms of voting, domestic and foreign policies, and the wedge issues (guns, god, gays, taxes and abortion).

To be fair, I'll post why I'm a liberal Democrat:

• I have empathy for the working poor, the drug an alcohol dependent, the mentally ill, physically ill and the aged, children and animals;
• I abhor war and believe diplomacy can be an effective deterrent to war. Thus I oppose Brinkmanship, belligerence and bellicose rhetoric;
• I support the United Nations, NATO and joint missions into space with other nations, allies or otherwise;
• I support the Olympics, World Soccer and other competition wherein American's interact with others no matter their ethnicity, creed, sex or sexual orientation;
• I believe every American citizen should enjoy the same rights and opportunities as every other person;
• I support a Congress which supports Universal Suffrage for all citizens in every general election. [Those without a proper picture ID ought to be informed that their member of H. or Rep. will provide them at no cost a proper ID with evidence they were born in the US or are naturalized citizens];
• I support free public education, free preventative care for all citizens (age appropriate physical examinations, age appropriate inoculations and age appropriate curriculum in public schools on health and dental care, procreation and (age appropriate) means to prevent pregnancy and STD's.
• I support a US AG to remove Marijuana from schedule I, and add Tobacco to that schedule.

So, which type of conservative are you:

1. Callous Conservative
2. Fiscal Conservative
3. Social Conservative
4. Goldwater Conservative
5. Neoconservative
6. Single Issue voter:

• Guns
• Gays
• Taxes
• Abortion
• White Supremacist

The only conservatives I am aware of are the following;


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That is because you are seeing what you want to see.

Thank you.

 

[tycho1572]

In my mind I've categorized conservative into several sub-types. Help me, and others who are not conservatives which sub-type of conservative best defines you in terms of voting, domestic and foreign policies, and the wedge issues (guns, god, gays, taxes and abortion).

To be fair, I'll post why I'm a liberal Democrat:

• I have empathy for the working poor, the drug an alcohol dependent, the mentally ill, physically ill and the aged, children and animals;
• I abhor war and believe diplomacy can be an effective deterrent to war. Thus I oppose Brinkmanship, belligerence and bellicose rhetoric;
• I support the United Nations, NATO and joint missions into space with other nations, allies or otherwise;
• I support the Olympics, World Soccer and other competition wherein American's interact with others no matter their ethnicity, creed, sex or sexual orientation;
• I believe every American citizen should enjoy the same rights and opportunities as every other person;
• I support a Congress which supports Universal Suffrage for all citizens in every general election. [Those without a proper picture ID ought to be informed that their member of H. or Rep. will provide them at no cost a proper ID with evidence they were born in the US or are naturalized citizens];
• I support free public education, free preventative care for all citizens (age appropriate physical examinations, age appropriate inoculations and age appropriate curriculum in public schools on health and dental care, procreation and (age appropriate) means to prevent pregnancy and STD's.
• I support a US AG to remove Marijuana from schedule I, and add Tobacco to that schedule.

So, which type of conservative are you:

1. Callous Conservative
2. Fiscal Conservative
3. Social Conservative
4. Goldwater Conservative
5. Neoconservative
6. Single Issue voter:

• Guns
• Gays
• Taxes
• Abortion
• White Supremacist

You actually think anyone would admit being a cretin?

You do it all the time.

 

[Wry Catcher]

• I abhor war and believe diplomacy can be an effective deterrent to war. Thus I oppose Brinkmanship, belligerence and bellicose rhetoric;

War is sometimes the only option when diplomacy fails.

Sometimes diplomacy is never attempted, TR said, "speak softly and carry a big stick". That seems to me to be left behind in recent times.

Then you should appreciate what Trump is doing with NK. Something democrats didn't want to do.

In my mind I've categorized conservative into several sub-types. Help me, and others who are not conservatives which sub-type of conservative best defines you in terms of voting, domestic and foreign policies, and the wedge issues (guns, god, gays, taxes and abortion).

To be fair, I'll post why I'm a liberal Democrat:

• I have empathy for the working poor, the drug an alcohol dependent, the mentally ill, physically ill and the aged, children and animals;
• I abhor war and believe diplomacy can be an effective deterrent to war. Thus I oppose Brinkmanship, belligerence and bellicose rhetoric;
• I support the United Nations, NATO and joint missions into space with other nations, allies or otherwise;
• I support the Olympics, World Soccer and other competition wherein American's interact with others no matter their ethnicity, creed, sex or sexual orientation;
• I believe every American citizen should enjoy the same rights and opportunities as every other person;
• I support a Congress which supports Universal Suffrage for all citizens in every general election. [Those without a proper picture ID ought to be informed that their member of H. or Rep. will provide them at no cost a proper ID with evidence they were born in the US or are naturalized citizens];
• I support free public education, free preventative care for all citizens (age appropriate physical examinations, age appropriate inoculations and age appropriate curriculum in public schools on health and dental care, procreation and (age appropriate) means to prevent pregnancy and STD's.
• I support a US AG to remove Marijuana from schedule I, and add Tobacco to that schedule.

So, which type of conservative are you:

1. Callous Conservative
2. Fiscal Conservative
3. Social Conservative
4. Goldwater Conservative
5. Neoconservative
6. Single Issue voter:

• Guns
• Gays
• Taxes
• Abortion
• White Supremacist

The only conservatives I am aware of are the following;


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See my bullet point #2 in the OP

 

[MarathonMike]

I think that nearly all global agreements and organizations are fatally flawed. I think most poor Americans should try harder to work themselves out of poverty. I think people should be able to have sex with whomever they want as long as they aren't kids. I think fetuses with heartbeats should be allowed to continue having a heartbeat. I think Donald Trump is America's last hope to avert the slide into politically correct, Socialistic, Euro Hell.

I guess that makes me some sort of Conservative.

 

[Correll]

I think that nearly all global agreements and organizations are fatally flawed. I think most poor Americans should try harder to work themselves out of poverty. I think people should be able to have sex with whomever they want as long as they aren't kids. I think fetuses with heartbeats should be allowed to continue having a heartbeat. I think Donald Trump is America's last hope to avert the slide into politically correct, Socialistic, Euro Hell.

I guess that makes me some sort of Conservative.

I think most poor Americans would like to work themselves our of poverty, but are handicapped by policies that are more about helping out the rich, our trading partners, and immigrants.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

• I support the Olympics, World Soccer and other competition wherein American's interact with others no matter their ethnicity, creed, sex or sexual orientation;

Who doesn’t?

Well, I've done quite a bit of research on the subject and think the Olympics Committee as well as FIFA are two of the most corrupt organizations on the planet. So me, I suppose.

 

[tycho1572]

• I support the Olympics, World Soccer and other competition wherein American's interact with others no matter their ethnicity, creed, sex or sexual orientation;

Who doesn’t?

Well, I've done quite a bit of research on the subject and think the Olympics Committee as well as FIFA are two of the most corrupt organizations on the planet. So me, I suppose.

I haven't done any research and support the Olympics.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

Doesn't seem like it if you are a white male or a Christian. Or wealthy. Or Jewish. Or hold different views from the Liberal Democrats.

Classic persecution complex tactic often used by the left. I'm a while male and just don't see this persecution certain other white males seem to reference here on the daily. The idea of a persecuted majority seems patently absurd. If anything, America could use more melding of race/religion/culture. I find the gripes of those opposed to be totally unfounded, but people are going to think what they think.

And you guys don't seem to care a whole lot about future generations either, you have no problem killing them 5 minutes before they are born. Or in some cases 5 minutes after birth.

I don't support aborting babies, but I do support the rule of law. Abortion is legal, so couples have that option for now.

As a conservative person myself, I can say that I don't like those who deny the same rights and opportunities to the LGBTs, minorities, and those whose views differ from my own. I can tell you that I really don't like running up huge debt/deficits every year, neither political party has the high road there. I can tell you that I do not support interminable wars, nor do I support tariffs and protectionism.

Works for me.

I think there is significant voter fraud in this country and I see no reason why we shouldn't ensure that those who are legally entitled to vote can and those who aren't don't.

Well, the facts plainly don't support this opinion, but you're free to think whatever. I've felt this is a Republican pet issue used by brainwashed yahoos with conspiracy fetishes. It's engineered to suppress the vote of minorities and those registered Democrat. Frankly, I find this behavior completely unAmerican.

I think that hundreds of billions spent on Climate Change so far has been money wasted, and I see no reason to throw good money after bad.

I feel the same way about a border wall. Humans are a virus that work best when we are destroying our planet's natural resources. We trash our air, water and foliage for the almighty dollar. It's no wonder the environment is trashed, because we trash it. The planet doesn't need 'saving'. It will shake us off like fleas when our time eventually comes. How quickly our demise comes is totally up to us, and a good portion of us are behaving like morons about it.

I see no reason why we shouldn't have an effective physical border on our southern border, and it is beyond hypocritical for the lib/dems to deny funding for that when they themselves were for it just a few years before.

We need better border security, but the real solution, the hard solution is for both countries to work together to create real immigration reform, not some silly monument wall for the Orange Virus. Our lazy, good for nothing politicians have continually offered stopgaps and/or band aids to the issue for as long as I've been alive and they all pretty much blow.

I think the ACA was a failure, UHC is a foolish idea that isn't fiscally feasible, and we damn well better reform our entitlement programs before they go bankrupt.

I agree on ACA. It screwed me personally pretty good. The idea is sound, but the implementation was horrific. We are the richest country in the world, yet illness tops the list for declaring bankruptcy. That makes no sense to me. Our medicine is too expensive, highly addictive and too dependent on opioid-based pharmaceuticals. The insurance industry seems totally in the pocket of the medical industry, rendering it a total hot mess. I think UHC can work in America if done right. By right, I mean both industries need a good scorched earth-style gutting and rebuilding before a concise plan is even started.

I think it's about time we were honest with the American people, if they want free stuff then they'll have to pay higher taxes for whatever it is. And not just the wealthy, but EVERYBODY.

I haven't been a recipient of any government entitlement programs, but I appreciate the necessity to take care of the disadvantaged as well as those with less. Raise taxes? You just lost me. I already pay enough damn taxes. I'm not going to let this inefficient government take more of my hard earned money to totally mismanage and waste it. Just no.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

• I support the Olympics, World Soccer and other competition wherein American's interact with others no matter their ethnicity, creed, sex or sexual orientation;

Who doesn’t?

Well, I've done quite a bit of research on the subject and think the Olympics Committee as well as FIFA are two of the most corrupt organizations on the planet. So me, I suppose.

I haven't done any research and support the Olympics.

I'm elated for you.

 

[harmonica]

[QUOTE="harmonica, post: 21774307, member: 66070" ]"EVERYBODY should abhor war!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..this doesn't make you con or lib
????

This is not true ("EVERYBODY should abhor war!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.") In boot camp we were given "dream sheets" to request our first orders. Filling out the form was a kid from Arkansas whose request was Vietnam, Vietnam and Vietnam; mine was Treasure Island in SF Bay, 32nd St. in San Diego and Bremerton, WA. I was lucky, I served on a tin can doing ASW (anti sub warfare) of the West Coast of CA.[/QUOTE]


that makes no sense at ALL
1. what are you trying to say? ALL conservatives want war because of what some kid put on a form??!!!
2. you do see the word SHOULD

Douglas MacArthur --R
'''The soldier above all others prays for peace, for it is the soldier who must suffer and bear the deepest wounds and scars of war.'''

 

[Darkwind]

In my mind I've categorized conservative into several sub-types. Help me, and others who are not conservatives which sub-type of conservative best defines you in terms of voting, domestic and foreign policies, and the wedge issues (guns, god, gays, taxes and abortion).

To be fair, I'll post why I'm a liberal Democrat:

• I have empathy for the working poor, the drug an alcohol dependent, the mentally ill, physically ill and the aged, children and animals;
• I abhor war and believe diplomacy can be an effective deterrent to war. Thus I oppose Brinkmanship, belligerence and bellicose rhetoric;
• I support the United Nations, NATO and joint missions into space with other nations, allies or otherwise;
• I support the Olympics, World Soccer and other competition wherein American's interact with others no matter their ethnicity, creed, sex or sexual orientation;
• I believe every American citizen should enjoy the same rights and opportunities as every other person;
• I support a Congress which supports Universal Suffrage for all citizens in every general election. [Those without a proper picture ID ought to be informed that their member of H. or Rep. will provide them at no cost a proper ID with evidence they were born in the US or are naturalized citizens];
• I support free public education, free preventative care for all citizens (age appropriate physical examinations, age appropriate inoculations and age appropriate curriculum in public schools on health and dental care, procreation and (age appropriate) means to prevent pregnancy and STD's.
• I support a US AG to remove Marijuana from schedule I, and add Tobacco to that schedule.

So, which type of conservative are you:

1. Callous Conservative
2. Fiscal Conservative
3. Social Conservative
4. Goldwater Conservative
5. Neoconservative
6. Single Issue voter:

• Guns
• Gays
• Taxes
• Abortion
• White Supremacist

You don't get to label which type of conservative anyone is. You are NOT a liberal Democrat. You are a "Progressive", which means you have been radicalized from what liberal Democrats used to be.

 

[sparky]

well thought/written Wry

but what of us that once had great empathy, and came full circle?

~S~

I can't speak to them. If you're one, please detail what you mean by going "full circle".

Perhaps Winston Churchill's old addage explains it best ,in that one's views evolve w/time , and may be applicable to a national gestalt as well.

Conservative used to mean the preservation of 'we the people'

Obviously some level of empathy applies , the extreme end of which could well be coined liberalism.

However there came a time when the extreemists moved the goal posts, the best example are the Neo-Conservatives

Empathy for anything or anybody vanished , the moral high ground became infested , 'we the people' assumed the voice of the decadent , the parochial , the tyrannical , the nationalist, the empirical

~S~

 

[P@triot]

To be fair, I'll post why I'm a liberal Democrat

I’ll post why I am a constitutional conservative (and everyone else should be):

• I believe liberty is exponentially more important than anything else

The left doesn’t believe in liberty - as illustrated by your belief that the government should outlaw tobacco. Liberals want control over others.

 

[P@triot]

Empathy for anything or anybody vanished , the moral high ground became infested , 'we the people' assumed the voice of the decadent , the parochial , the tyrannical , the nationalist, the empirical ~S~

If you actually believed in “empathy”, you wouldn’t demand the right to control others and steal from others.

 

[P@triot]

I abhor war and believe diplomacy can be an effective deterrent to war.

I “abhor” war exponentially more than you do - thus I believe in having the most powerful military in the world. History has proven that weakness invites aggression.

 

[sparky]

If you actually believed in “empathy”, you wouldn’t demand the right to control others and steal from others.

do tell ......

We've a Gub'Mit that steals from not only us, our childrens children

We've Corporatists pulling the strings on congressional puppets , for control to steal what they can

We've a Fed Reserve that steals at the whim of Wall street Banksters

So tell us how you cry yourself to sleep every night over it all Patriot...

~S~

 

[P@triot]

I support free public education, free preventative care for all citizens

A few thoughts on that bullet point of yours...

• Nothing is free. Someone is paying for it.

• That illustrates the desire to mooch off of others

• That ideology results in catastrophic collapse (just ask Venezuela)

It is for those 3 reasons that I support each individual deciding for themselves how to prioritize their own personal needs and wants and then committing their own resources to those priorities.

 

[P@triot]

If you actually believed in “empathy”, you wouldn’t demand the right to control others and steal from others.

We've a Gub'Mit that steals from not only us, our childrens children

Exactly! So why do you support that?!?

 

[P@triot]

Tragically, the Supreme Court is now infected with a majority made up of authoritarian reactionary ideologues hostile to the rights and protected liberties of the people

Such as people who fight to eliminate 2nd Amendment rights like you do?