Are people seriously ignorant of the consequences of communism/socialism?

[Political Junky]

Yea Socialists/Progressives are way too fixated on the possible freebies they'll get with total Government control. They're just not focusing on what they'll have to give up to get those possible freebies. Socialism/Communism never ends well for the people. Once they take your freedom & Liberty away,you aint getting it back. So be very careful wishing for that Nanny State.

What country is our Communist threat? We freely trade with and borrow money from China.
The Goddamned Birchers/Tea Baggers have sold you on a lot.

 

[paulitician]

Yea Socialists/Progressives are way too fixated on the possible freebies they'll get with total Government control. They're just not focusing on what they'll have to give up to get those possible freebies. Socialism/Communism never ends well for the people. Once they take your freedom & Liberty away,you aint getting it back. So be very careful wishing for that Nanny State.

What country is our Communist threat? We freely trade with and borrow money from China.
The Goddamned Birchers/Tea Baggers have sold you on a lot.

Not sure i follow you. I'm not claiming there is a foreign Communist threat. Most countries gave up on Socialism/Communism a long time ago. If they were smart anyway. The threat from Socialism/Communism is right here in this country. The allure of possible Government freebies has sucked so many in. But what do you have to give up to get those possible freebies? Nothing is for free. The Government isn't just gonna hand those freebies over to you without strings attached. It will cost you your freedom & liberty in the end. So they can keep their freebies. I don't want any part of their Nanny State/Police State.

 

[Political Junky]

The Birchers had you convinced that Eisenhower was a Communist. Now it's the tea baggers delivering the same messages to you.

 

[paulitician]

The Birchers had you convinced that Eisenhower was a Communist. Now it's the tea baggers delivering the same messages to you.

Nah i just think you're being a bit too dramatic and presumptive.

 

[Lakhota]

By bongkey

I find it completely dumbfounding (and a little comical) that people use terms like socialism, communism, and fascism without knowing what they actually mean, and without knowing or realizing that they benefit directly from programs that could be labeled socialist (or communist, or fascist). The average right winger will tell you that, in practice, none of those governmental structures work, that the free market system and democracy are the only way to effectively govern, and that all socialism needs to be eradicated from the US. Unfortunately for most of them, they do not realize that they’re just as socialist as the next guy. As Bill Maher said “Its time to stop fighting it, and just come out of the closet….the love they’re denying is their love for Socialism”.

Don’t believe me? Well, according to the Future of Freedom Foundation (a Libertarian think-tank), any government owned, funded, or subsidized operation is considered to be a socialist program. That would mean that anyone who uses programs or services like Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, HUD, The Federal Reserve, The US Park System, The US Postal Service, The US Military, NPR, PBS, The VA, subsidies, bailouts, many television stations, prisons, public schools, interstate highways, libraries, police, firemen, farms, public utilities, airports, sports arenas, automobiles, etc. are supportive of socialism, and socialists by association. Isn’t that how McCarthyism worked?

(ranting tangent)Now, its worth pointing out that while all people use/rely on those services on a daily basis, the ones who have the most to gain/lose from them is the rich, and by that I mean, the decision makers (there aren’t many poor politicians on Capitol Hill), the business owners, the bankers… Not the people who are making less than $200k/year working a shit job for whatever scratch they can make. The rich are the ones who are benefiting the most from these socialist programs through corporate welfare, or being able to pocket the profits during the good times (speculation on the markets), and marking the bad times with a public loss (bailouts anyone?!?). It’s like the old saying goes:

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[paulitician]

Socialism/Communism has never promoted individual freedom & liberty. I just don't get why so many want to turn to this system. It's so misguided.

 

[Lakhota]

Socialism/Communism has never promoted individual freedom & liberty. I just don't get why so many want to turn to this system. It's so misguided.

You poor dumb shit. We live under that system...

 

[paulitician]

Socialism/Communism has never promoted individual freedom & liberty. I just don't get why so many want to turn to this system. It's so misguided.

You poor dumb shit. We live under that system...

Somewhat. But i still have faith we can reverse this Nanny State/Police State mess. Call me a dreamer. But don't call me a dumb shit. That's in poor taste and you're better than that. God bless and have a good night.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Hope for America grows as the Tea Party movement loses power, members, and popularity.

 

[JoeB131]

Stalin with absolute control, no civil war murdered about 20 million of his own people. Revisionist history to clean up and blame others for the deaths caused by Communism won't fly just yet. Wait till your commy professors brain wash a couple more generations of gullible fools.

Well, first, they'll have to clean up the years of Cold War Propaganda Bullshit...

First, the number was nowhere near 20 million. Probably closer to five if you throw in the Ukrainian Famine.

Second, you have to put that in the context of what preceeded Stalin. Russia had been in WWI, where she lost millions of people and had been brutalized first by the Central Powers, then by the Allies sending in troops to prop up the Whites. The Civil War didn't end until about 1922, by which time people weren't in the "let's sit down and talk out our differences kind of mode. they were in a "let's kill that SOB who pissed me off" kind of mode.

Same in China. Between the Civil War between the KMT and Communists and the war with Japan, about two decades of fighting.

Not to say that Stalin and Mao weren't evil, they were. But you have to put that evil in context.

the line between civilized and savage is a lot thinner than you think.

 

[JoeB131]

Hope for America grows as the Tea Party movement loses power, members, and popularity.

Oooooh, Jake, did you get sodomized at a Tea Party rally?

 

[LoneLaugher]

Paulitician.....

You have repeatedly said that progressives are fixated on freebies. That is a statemnet that you have not substantiated.

 

[Douger]

No more than the 300 plus million of you that can not understand fascism.
It's right in front of you........well....... Oprah's head may be blocking your view.

SYMBOLOGY OF FASCISM - PHOTOS OF THEM IN EVERYDAY U.S. ITEMS

 

[pete]

Yes many are. Not all but many. Many love the idea of their Nanny State but in the end they're only creating an oppressive Police State. We're already moving in that direction. It's sad.

As someone who spent a career in law enforcement, recruited, hired, trained and disciplined LEO's I must say you're full of shit.

Are you saying you don't see that we're becoming an oppressive Police State? I find that pretty hard to fathom. Just look around. The TSA is now on our highways setting up checkpoints. Man,don't we have enough law enforcement on our highways already? My God,how many agencies are out there policing? Yet now we suddenly need TSA checkpoints too? I'm sorry,but the Police State grows stronger by the day. You don't want to see it,that's fine with me. But it is happening.

Its typical of them ... guard and harass the law abiding while at the same time allowing the illegals to continue their illegal ways.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Hope for America grows as the Tea Party movement loses power, members, and popularity.

Oooooh, Jake, did you get sodomized at a Tea Party rally?

Is that the best you got after getting spanked?

 

[Oldstyle]

consequences of socialism?

police force
fire fighters
shared cleaned streets
school systems
cheaper groceries
street parades
national defense

OK I give up. What are the consequences of these things? Safer neighborhoods and smarter people? What am I missing?

This is one of the dumber quotes I've seen lately. Street parades? Really? Look, the United States flourished as a capitalistic society. We became who we are because of the competitive drive that a free market economy encouraged. We were able to afford the best police, fire, and national defense in the world because of the monies that free market economy provided. We had clean streets...we had the best colleges on the planet and we had grocery stores that were the envy of the rest of the world. NONE of that was due to socialism.

 

[paulitician]

As someone who spent a career in law enforcement, recruited, hired, trained and disciplined LEO's I must say you're full of shit.

Are you saying you don't see that we're becoming an oppressive Police State? I find that pretty hard to fathom. Just look around. The TSA is now on our highways setting up checkpoints. Man,don't we have enough law enforcement on our highways already? My God,how many agencies are out there policing? Yet now we suddenly need TSA checkpoints too? I'm sorry,but the Police State grows stronger by the day. You don't want to see it,that's fine with me. But it is happening.

Its typical of them ... guard and harass the law abiding while at the same time allowing the illegals to continue their illegal ways.

Harassment is the key word in your comment. To Hell with these checkpoints.

 

[SmarterThanHick]

consequences of socialism?

police force
fire fighters
shared cleaned streets
school systems
cheaper groceries
street parades
national defense

OK I give up. What are the consequences of these things? Safer neighborhoods and smarter people? What am I missing?

This is one of the dumber quotes I've seen lately. Street parades? Really? Look, the United States flourished as a capitalistic society. We became who we are because of the competitive drive that a free market economy encouraged. We were able to afford the best police, fire, and national defense in the world because of the monies that free market economy provided. We had clean streets...we had the best colleges on the planet and we had grocery stores that were the envy of the rest of the world. NONE of that was due to socialism.

Street parades was a joke. Calm down. Deep breathes.

Despite you pointing to good capitalistic aspects of this country, that in no way affects any of the socialist aspects. Because let's face it, you nor anyone else is actually going to pony up the money to the electrical company to power all the street lights on your block. You know when you pass by someone's driveway that is just falling apart? That could also be the road in front of his house as well.

So let's get to the heart of your problem: black and white reasoning. You think everything needs to be capitalistic because that's what you think works well for this country. And it does. But not alone.

The solution is having the best of both worlds. Sharing AND competing. The latter drives our system, and the former stabilizes it.

 

[CentristFiasco]

How much death has to be caused by these systems before people understand they dont work?

China and Russia have always refused to post their death statistics and even when they did, it was skewed.

 

[kiwiman127]

consequences of socialism?

police force
fire fighters
shared cleaned streets
school systems
cheaper groceries
street parades
national defense

OK I give up. What are the consequences of these things? Safer neighborhoods and smarter people? What am I missing?

This is one of the dumber quotes I've seen lately. Street parades? Really? Look, the United States flourished as a capitalistic society. We became who we are because of the competitive drive that a free market economy encouraged. We were able to afford the best police, fire, and national defense in the world because of the monies that free market economy provided. We had clean streets...we had the best colleges on the planet and we had grocery stores that were the envy of the rest of the world. NONE of that was due to socialism.

Actually if one looks at historical facts, the US flourished as a capitalistic society when our financial industry was more regulated and we had a booming Middle Class whose income grew at a faster rate than inflation. The wealthy paid much, much higher taxes than they do today and business and the wealthy still flourished and at the same time, so did everyone else. And during those times, the US didn't have an over-whelming National Debt.
Since the deregulation of the financial sector, since the Middle Class started seeing flat wages, since the wealthy have seen their taxes drop like a rock, we have seen the US economy stagger and our National Debt has sky-rocketed.


Oh and by the way, you folks screaming about communism, socialism and Marxism have been sucked in by the extreme fear mongers. If you're this afraid of these ideologies as defined by your masters, I'd hate to see your reactions if you ever ran into a real communist, socialist or Marxist.