Are College Students Really This Dumb?

If you want a degree, and you're not an idiot, it's a great choice.

On top of everything else, you can chose to live In Europe, I've spent a few months in Europe, and loved it.
Im there every year. The healthcare is terrible you pay more get less and wait for months even years. Taxes are higher. No free speech. Social spending renewable energy and immigration are destroying the economy an culture.
If you dont pass a test you cant get into the university and never will.
 
No, just like we used to fund higher education when the Boomers went to school.

Bite me, dipweed. Nobody funded my higher education, I worked my way through college.

And BTW, who do we have to thank for funding higher education in this country over the last 60 years or so? Democrats. And what good did it do? An exorbitant cost for high education and a buncha dumbass people, not all of whom are boomers.
 
Why "sadly"?

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My multiple degrees made my spelling worse....just saying.

However,
Costs vx benefit analyses show....
College degrees cost too much vx benefits anymore.

If you get a 4yr degree....most entry level positions requiring a degree will pay around $40-60k/yr. With a total student loan debt of roughly $100k....payments of around $800/month...for 30+ years.

Unlivable situation. You cant afford to live on the remaining salary. Pay rent, drive a car, eat food or have Medical expenses.....

However.....
Skilled trades....which we are in desperate need of.....plumbers, pipefitters, HVAC, Electricians of all types, elevator techs, various maintenance mechanics, and etc....HUGE demand we have no idea how to fill.

Nobody is taking these jobs. Instead of a classroom for 6 hrs a day you get a job that pays and 2 classes per week. These jobs are physically demanding....meaning you have to work. But it's not more difficult than any fast food job or retail store. In fact considering you dont have to put up with customers....a huge bonus.

There is no "work from home" bonus with these jobs. That's a huge downside. But theres no student debt either. There is also no discrimination....so long as you can clearly speak, read, and write in English.....nobody gives a crap where your grandparents or parents came from...especially if you are willing to work and do your job assignments.
Most skilled trades after graduating beyond the apprenticeship program are making between $100-$200k/yr currently. (More in some areas less in others) but all are making a living wage that is not replaceable by any AI or robotics.

PLUS....

If your employer decides to give you a layoff after your apprenticeship....that means you can become a contractor yourself....aka Competition. Meaning now your income can really increase as you hire apprentices and take on more contracts.

Just saying.....

Oh I agree. I don't think a 4 year degree is worth it. I've said it on here numerous times, I DO have a 4 year degree, and couldn't find a job post 9/11 and had to work at the airport pumping jet fuel for 7 bucks an hour. Only once I went to trade school, got my A&P, (and ironically a second college degree) and was offered a job almost 20 an hour to START, did I start to get ahead. The A&P school was 600 a semester for 4 semesters. My college, that was 14 years earlier, was 1000 a semester for 8 semesters.

Now that same school is about 5000 a semester for a full time schedule. Unfortunately, 2 months before I graduated with my A&P in June of 2010, the BP blowout happened in the gulf in April 2010, shutting down the oil and gas heli platform traffic that I had planned on working on. So I did work as an A&P briefly, it did get my foot in the door in aviation, which I then went on to manage a corporate jet hangar for a while, as well as do A&P work on the side for extra cash. I was then laid off by the owner of the airplane that smashed into the post office Dec 27th, 2019 before the LSU football game, killing the pilot and the guy I refused to work with because he had been doing illegal work to that airplane. They talked about that plane crash for the entire duration of the LSU game. I knew everyone on that plane sans for one person, the person who survived. 5 out of 6 died in the crash.

After quitting the hangar job, I got a job as a dispatcher, then another dispatching job for more money, then a truck driver where I'm at now. You could do this job with a high school diploma only, and make 5 times more than I was making with a college degree pumping jet fuel.

Like Charlie Kirk says and it's true, HALF of college students will graduate and get a job that doesn't even require a college degree. That's what happened to me. Even 25 years ago I was questioning the point of going to college if 6 dollars an hour is all I can make for 4 years of staying up until midnight studying for tests, midterms, doing home work, and finals.
 
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I joined the military first.

Mkay?

I joined the military again because the job market in CA sucked in the 70s and 80s.
It sucked for you maybe. Companies in CA were doing just fine. Lots of people made money in California then and now. You don't like it move to Texas. But you won't like it.

According to the 1970 U.S. Census, California's population was 19,953,134

40 million now. The population has doubled since then.

They complain in Florida too. Really, if you want to live in paradise it's going to cost you one way or the other.

“You could make the case that maybe we shouldn’t even be there at all, because we don’t need it. We have a lot of oil,” Trump said. “But we do it. It’s almost like we do it for habit.”

I can't imagine being a pawn for Trump to use.
 
Oh I agree. I don't think a 4 year degree is worth it. I've said it on here numerous times, I DO have a 4 year degree, and couldn't find a job post 9/11 and had to work at the airport pumping jet fuel for 7 bucks an hour. Only once I went to trade school, got my A&P, (and ironically a second college degree) and was offered a job almost 20 an hour to START, did I start to get ahead. The A&P school was 600 a semester for 4 semesters. My college, that was 14 years earlier, was 1000 a semester for 8 semesters.

Now that same school is about 5000 a semester for a full time schedule. Unfortunately, 2 months before I graduated with my A&P in June of 2010, the BP blowout happened in the gulf in April 2010, shutting down the oil and gas heli platform traffic that I had planned on working on. So I did work as an A&P briefly, it did get my foot in the door in aviation, which I then went on to manage a corporate jet hangar for a while, as well as do A&P work on the side for extra cash. I was then laid off by the owner of the airplane that smashed into the post office Dec 27th, 2019 before the LSU football game, killing the pilot and the guy I refused to work with because he had been doing illegal work to that airplane. They talked about that plane crash for the entire duration of the LSU game. I knew everyone on that plane sans for one person, the person who survived. 5 out of 6 died in the crash.
It's stupid to say a 4 year degree isn't worth it just because it wasn't worth it to you. Or you didn't do with it what you could. Others have done much more with much less. Sometimes it's your foot in the door. Sometimes it's what separates you from the goobers. So you got a worthless degree or a good degree and didn't do shit with it. Which is it? If you got a good degree perhaps because of what you learned you are saving enough for retirement. If it's a shitty degree, sometimes it's what you make of it. Like an art degree. I'm sure a lot of artist make a lot of money on the internet.

Look how much a paint brush can cost. $450. Maybe they learned that in art school.

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Or work at Windsor and Newton in London

I got a Communications Major with a Minor in Marketing. I'll be a millionaire before I'm 60. Or 62. They say us college grads make $1 million more over 30 years. It's true. About $33K a year more than our uneducated neighbors like you.

Oh yea. One more thing. Only 2% of people who are murdered are educated. Very low chance of getting murdered if you have a college degree. Look it up.
 
It's stupid to say a 4 year degree isn't worth it just because it wasn't worth it to you. Or you didn't do with it what you could. Others have done much more with much less. Sometimes it's your foot in the door. Sometimes it's what separates you from the goobers. So you got a worthless degree or a good degree and didn't do shit with it. Which is it? If you got a good degree perhaps because of what you learned you are saving enough for retirement. If it's a shitty degree, sometimes it's what you make of it. Like an art degree. I'm sure a lot of artist make a lot of money on the internet.

Look how much a paint brush can cost. $450. Maybe they learned that in art school.

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Or work at Windsor and Newton in London

I got a Communications Major with a Minor in Marketing. I'll be a millionaire before I'm 60. Or 62. They say us college grads make $1 million more over 30 years. It's true. About $33K a year more than our uneducated neighbors like you.

Oh yea. One more thing. Only 2% of people who are murdered are educated. Very low chance of getting murdered if you have a college degree. Look it up.

It's not JUST me, it's OVER HALF OF COLLEGE STUDENTS.


College is not worth it if you graduate with 6 digits of debt and a low paying job that doesn't even require a college degree. HALF of all college students will find themselves in this situation. Something that has a failure rate of 50% doesn't work.

My degree was in insurance and risk management. I couldn't find any jobs in risk management and the only insurance job I was offered was driving around in my PERSONAL VEHICLE collecting 1 dollar premiums for 1000 dollar life insurance policies from old people in a small town 30 miles from where I lived at the time.

Um no, thanks.

Unless you go into engineering or nursing, college is simply not worth the expense. Instead, go to a trade school, learn how to weld, how to do plumbing, etc, THEN you make major bucks AND have no debt. I make 30 dollars an hour driving a truck, WHEN I'M ROLLING. My neighbor owns his own HVAC company. He charges 125 an hour for his labor. He's never been to college. He's certified in HVAC, though. His little one-man company grosses well over $350,000 a year. 5 years ago he installed a new AC system in my house. Took him 2 days. He charged me 3000 dollars labor. He said today, that unit costs TWICE as much. $3000 in profit in TWO DAYS, 5 years ago.

If you don't want to get your hands dirty, you can drive a truck like me. Some companies, albeit the sucky ones, offer FREE CDL school in return for you working for them for 12 months. Not the best way to do it, but if you're living on a park bench, it is a way to get yourself into this industry. With some experience you can really go places. (no pun intended)
 
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No, they weren't.
You lose Skippy

Yes — many of the public universities in California, especially those in the University of California system, were tuition-free for in-state students for much of the 20th century.

Here’s the key context:
🏫 What “free” actually meant
  • Students did not pay tuition (called “tuition” or “instructional fees”).
  • However, they still paid small fees for things like campus services, housing, and books.

📜 Why it was free
💸 When that changed
  • Starting in the 1970s, California began introducing and gradually increasing fees due to:
    • Budget pressures
    • Economic downturns
    • Reduced state funding per student

  • Over time, these fees evolved into what we now recognize as full tuition.
 
It's not JUST me, it's OVER HALF OF COLLEGE STUDENTS.


College is not worth it if you graduate with 6 digits of debt and a low paying job that doesn't even require a college degree. HALF of all college students will find themselves in this situation. Something that has a failure rate of 50% doesn't work.

My degree was in insurance and risk management. I couldn't find any jobs in risk management and the only insurance job I was offered was driving around in my PERSONAL VEHICLE collecting 1 dollar premiums for 1000 dollar life insurance policies from old people in a small town 30 miles from where I lived at the time.

Um no, thanks.

Unless you go into engineering or nursing, college is simply not worth the expense. Instead, go to a trade school, learn how to weld, how to do plumbing, etc, THEN you make major bucks AND have no debt. I make 30 dollars an hour driving a truck, WHEN I'M ROLLING. My neighbor owns his own HVAC company. He charges 125 an hour for his labor. He's never been to college. He's certified in HVAC, though. His little one-man company grosses well over $350,000 a year. 5 years ago he installed a new AC system in my house. Took him 2 days. He charged me 3000 dollars labor. He said today, that unit costs TWICE as much. $3000 in profit in TWO DAYS, 5 years ago.

If you don't want to get your hands dirty, you can drive a truck like me. Some companies, albeit the sucky ones, offer FREE CDL school in return for you working for them for 12 months. Not the best way to do it, but if you're living on a park bench, it is a way to get yourself into this industry. With some experience you can really go places. (no pun intended)

Not true. I am an example. I took the job I have now from a temp. They had a TEMP doing what I do now. Only she sold $50,000 a month and I have sold as much as $500,000 in a month. So it was after the Bush Great Recession I couldn't find a corporate job either. So I took a job at a music school for a couple years. I needed to show some stability on my resume. Too much job hopping during the Bush years. They were horrible. In the Clinton years I used my college degree. Did I work with some guys who didn't have a college degree? Sure. But most of us had college degrees. Those guys who don't have degrees can't interview at every place I can interview because a degree is required.

So no a degree isn't "required" even in the job I have now. But after highschool I wanted to be a corporate salesperson. Or a stock broker. But who would hire a 18 year old kid with no college degree? So I went to college. YOU might have went to work at Art Van selling furniture or used cars. My bosses may have hired you if you had that experience. Or telemarketer. Are you good on the phones? Shit. I'll hire you without a degree.

Anyways, my company had a temp with no degree doing my job and she probably made $30 or $40K a year. I took the job for $40K TO START but quickly got up to close to 6 figures. I've never made $100K but come pretty close.

So did I "need" a college degree? That's a tough question. What else should I have done when I was 18?
 
It's not JUST me, it's OVER HALF OF COLLEGE STUDENTS.


College is not worth it if you graduate with 6 digits of debt and a low paying job that doesn't even require a college degree. HALF of all college students will find themselves in this situation. Something that has a failure rate of 50% doesn't work.

My degree was in insurance and risk management. I couldn't find any jobs in risk management and the only insurance job I was offered was driving around in my PERSONAL VEHICLE collecting 1 dollar premiums for 1000 dollar life insurance policies from old people in a small town 30 miles from where I lived at the time.

Um no, thanks.

Unless you go into engineering or nursing, college is simply not worth the expense. Instead, go to a trade school, learn how to weld, how to do plumbing, etc, THEN you make major bucks AND have no debt. I make 30 dollars an hour driving a truck, WHEN I'M ROLLING. My neighbor owns his own HVAC company. He charges 125 an hour for his labor. He's never been to college. He's certified in HVAC, though. His little one-man company grosses well over $350,000 a year. 5 years ago he installed a new AC system in my house. Took him 2 days. He charged me 3000 dollars labor. He said today, that unit costs TWICE as much. $3000 in profit in TWO DAYS, 5 years ago.

If you don't want to get your hands dirty, you can drive a truck like me. Some companies, albeit the sucky ones, offer FREE CDL school in return for you working for them for 12 months. Not the best way to do it, but if you're living on a park bench, it is a way to get yourself into this industry. With some experience you can really go places. (no pun intended)

I find your article very interesting and I've just scratched the surface. It said

It emphasizes the importance of a graduate’s first job and the significant role internships play in securing college-level employment.

That's for sure. When I graduated from Eastern Michigan University with a shitty degree, I was on my own. My nephews go to Michigan State University and get very specific degrees. One is in Construction Management. People in that program get jobs in the field that start at $85,000. He will make about as much as I do right out of college.

Anyways, I assume the way you are talking you are a Republican. This is another reason the gap between the rich and poor keep widening. All their kids are going to college and will be your kids bosses some day. Your kid will make a nice living being my kids plumber.
 
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