Are All Black Americans Racist?

[loosecannon]

But.... MarcATL is obsessed with race.

IOW a racist.

 

[loosecannon]

the Jewish people have a long, long history of enslavement and persecution by just about everybody.

No they haven't. That is less than a myth, it is a bald faced lie.

 

[loosecannon]

To pretend that blacks were ever in any position of power in this country, collectively, at any point in this country's history, is to be so intellectually dishonest, its an outright lie and an offense.

And yet the president of the USA is a black man!

Talk about being as far removed from reality as is possible.

Marc, you aren't an outer planet, you are a comet. You only kareen within spitting distance of the real world every few centuries.

 

[loosecannon]

white americans, or black americans. you are all racists.

word!

 

[loosecannon]

The fact that many of you perceive "Black Liberation Theology" as racist indicates to me that you don't get it. You just. don't. get it.

No, YOU don't get it!

Assimilation is the antidote to racism. Black pride and black power are the problem.

There are countless examples in history in which ethnic groups maintained separate identities from the dominant culture and without fail genocide, holocaust and racism were the predictable results.

Whereas those who assimilate simply don't have that problem.

If YOU are half white and yet celebrate your African heritage then YOU are a racist and THE problem.

For example i have never even considered celebrating my european heritage ever in my life.

Because I am not a European, or an African. I am JUST an American. As are blacks in the USA.

"African American" is by definition a racist statement.

Which is why non racists prefer "blackrican American".

 

[loosecannon]

Same-Same for poor hispanic, white, red, yellow.....whatever the pigmentation: if you are not the same color as the neighborhood (however poor) that you are in, then you will quickly become a racist.

Unless you're blind.

You are clearly a simpleton.

First off neither Obama nor MLKj are/were racists. Mal X was but overcame it.

Second, everybody is a racist from birth, it's genetically ingrained.

Third the majority of Americans were once observably distinct minorities, most of them assimilated without many problems.

best case example: Latinos have illegally immigrated into the us by the millions for nearly 100 years and have attracted less, far less racist conflict than Blackrican Americans have after hundreds of years to assimilate.

The primary difference being that Latinos are not nearly as racist or racially identified as blackrican Americans.

The burden of assimilation falls on the minority, which is why King was absolutely opposed to racism, or the enhancement of racial identity. He was a unifier not a divider.

Racists are dividers. Assimilators are uniters.

Culture Assimilators are culture training programs first developed at the University of Illinois in the 1960s. A team from the psychology department of that university was asked by the Office of Naval Research to develop a training method that would “make every sailor an ambassador of the United States.” The team consistent of Fred Fiedler, whose major research was the study of leadership, Charles Osgood, whose major research was on interpersonal communication, Larry Stolurow, whose major research was on the use of computers for training, and Harry Triandis, whose major research was the study of the relationship between culture and social behavior.

Culture Assimilators

The team developed methods for the study of culture and social behavior (Triandis, 1972), and the information was formatted in such a way that computers could be used in the training.

The procedure started with interviews with people who had experience in two cultures, e.g., A and B. The questions asked for “episodes” or “critical incidents” that surprised and confused members of culture B when they interacted with people from culture A. Student samples from the two cultures were asked to explain why the problem or confusion occurs. When the explanations given by the students from culture A were different from the explanations given by members from culture B, there was something to teach. For example, teachers from the U.S. are annoyed that pupils from Latin America do not look at them when they talk. Why is that? The explanation is that in the U. S. people usually pay attention to the speaker by looking at the speaker, but in Latin America it is “insolent” to look at a high status person in the eyes. One is supposed to look down.

The format of assimilators is as follows. An episode is described (page 1) followed by 4 or 5 explanations of why there is a problem or difficulty. For example, why do people from culture A behave that way? The trainee selects the explanation that s/he thinks is best. The explanations are selected such that when people from culture B are learning about culture A most of the explanations are frequently given by people in culture B and one explanation comes from culture A. After the trainee selects an explanation s/he is asked to turn to a page (pages 2, 3, 4, 5) that gives feedback about each explanation. If the explanation selected by the trainee is incorrect, the trainee is told that this is not the best explanation, and to try another explanation. When the trainee picks the correct explanation, the feedback is extensive, describing cultural similarities and differences between cultures A and B. Assimilators that use feedback that includes culture theory, such as the differences between collectivist and individualist cultures, are especially effective. Gradually, the trainee from culture B starts thinking like the people from culture A. In a way, s/he learns to get “into the shoes” of the people from the other culture.

The result is a training program that makes people more comfortable in working in the other culture. This was tested by assigning trainees randomly to two groups. One group gets the assimilator training, and the other gets geography training, such as what are the physical features of culture A. After the training the trainees go to the other culture and the effectiveness of their interactions in that culture and the comfort they experience while they live in the other culture is measured. The results show that the assimilator training is helpful. Training does not make the trainee an ambassador, that was too much to hope, but the trained individuals have a better experience in the other culture than those who did not receive the culture assimilator training.

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[gautama]

But.... MarcATL is obsessed with race.

IOW a racist.

How the **** can ANYONE come to a different conclusion.

I would first doubt if the Pope was Catholic before I'd have the opinion this abomination isn't a Black Racist.

 

[California Girl]

But.... MarcATL is obsessed with race.

IOW a racist.

Nope. I don't see Marc as 'racist'. I think it's a subject that interests him, therefore he talks about it a lot. I don't remember seeing any racist remarks from Marc and I think it's offensive that you make such stupid, crass statements like that. Just my opinion.

 

[MarcATL]

The fact that many of you perceive "Black Liberation Theology" as racist indicates to me that you don't get it. You just. don't. get it.

No, YOU don't get it!

Assimilation is the antidote to racism. Black pride and black power are the problem.

There are countless examples in history in which ethnic groups maintained separate identities from the dominant culture and without fail genocide, holocaust and racism were the predictable results.

Whereas those who assimilate simply don't have that problem.

If YOU are half white and yet celebrate your African heritage then YOU are a racist and THE problem.

For example i have never even considered celebrating my european heritage ever in my life.

Because I am not a European, or an African. I am JUST an American. As are blacks in the USA.

"African American" is by definition a racist statement.

Which is why non racists prefer "blackrican American".

"blackrican American"....WTF.com!?!?!?!

You are one SICK puppy!

 

[Granny]

So let me get this straight. You're trying to sell me the story that many others other than blacks have also been taken from their land of origin. Shackled to chains on ships, stacked up on each other, not even as livestock, but as stock. Beaten and whipped on the way, instead of fed. Attached to severly diseased, dying and dead bodies. Stripped of your culture, stripped of your wife, your children, your manhood. Survived the trip, come to a strange land where they were seen as not even as worthy as dogs, but not even human. Eventually upgraded to 3/5ths of a man (read white man). Told you're not anything and never will amount to anything, shuttered into ghettos, your rights held down, fought against, battered, abused, all because of your skin color, attacked...for generations. Mentally abused, discriminated against, and blamed for all of the above...your suggesting that this is a common experience to others other than African Americans?

You've started an interesting thread. I rarely even look at a thread that mentions "race," let alone respond to it. This one post you've made seems to have a bit of an edge to it, otherwise it's been interesting reading.

I think racism can only exist when it won't be put down and people move on - regardless of race. Unfortunately, I think there are people who don't want the issue to rest. And, too, "race" is a badly misused word. For example, Mexicans are not a race - they are a nationality. But any negative statement made about Mexicans is met with a "You're a racist!" response.

To respond more directly to this particular post, yes, there are others who have suffered some of the same injustices as Blacks. As previously mentioned, the Jewish people have a long, long history of enslavement and persecution by just about everybody. "Jew" is somewhat spoken with an air of contempt. Well, I'm sorry - when you say you've been "Jewed down," you're just pissed off at yourself for driving a bad bargain but you have to lay the blame on the Jews. Jews are contemptuously called "Christ killers." But, no one stops to think that with Jesus Christ being passed over for death in favor of Barabbas - who would be the savior? Barabbas? Those who follow the teachings of Christ should probably be grateful to the Jews - no?

Take a look at people living in China - are they not enslaved and living in unmerciful circumstances? Their minds, bodies, and souls owned by a government that considers them very expendable?

Look at the Poles. Throughout the history of Poland everybody has wanted a piece of Poland under their rule and control. It wasn't until after WWII that Poland finally had defined national boundaries. Poles are continuously considered as very stupid people. I am Polish - and I don't consider myself as totally stupid and it doesn't take five of my friends to change a light bulb.

Look at some of the Arabic people. Living under tyrannical conditions, in poverty, uneducated, in some instances at the mercy of an unmerciful religion - being stoned to death "just because." It's not just blacks who have suffered and still suffer.

I tend to judge by character rather than race. At one point in my life I lived on a boundary line between blacks and whites - I never feared blacks. They worked, albeit at the lowlier jobs, but they had homes, they took care in raising their children, they went to church, they had a pride in themselves. I lived in an orphanage and I've experienced beatings from hell, I've experienced being put down and derided. I've experienced someone being in total control of my life, my thoughts. Today? Today, I'm in control of my own existence. Today I'm somewhat fearful of some blacks because I can see the hatred in their eyes. On the other end of the spectrum, I have black friends who are wonderful people. I like them because of who they are - their character. I was on a lunch break one day when a black woman came walking into the building with a little toddler coming along with her. I looked at that child's dull, lifeless eyes and thought, "My God! That child's life is already over and it hasn't even had a chance to begin." There was not one iota of sparkle in his eyes.

There are many things that factor into where so many blacks are today and in many ways it is only blacks who can save themselves. I don't know all the answers but I know all things are not working as they should.

Do I like Obama? Hell, no. Not because he's black but because he has shown me he has no character. He's just a bitter person who has not risen above his own perceived injustices. He's arrogant, self-centered, among other things and before it's all over with he's going to end up screwing "his own" even more to the walls than they already have been screwed.

ur last paragraph totally destroyed all credibility u had with this post.

I'm sorry you feel this way. Is my understanding of your comment that because I dislike the character of one black person I'm automatically a racist? I hope not.

I don't mean to be disrespectful toward you - I truly don't - I just don't know the right words to use to express myself so that you won't take offense. What I'm getting from some of your posts that refer to certain books, I'm getting the impression that perhaps you are looking for inspiration from people who "feed" and therefore reinforce some of your negative feelings and beliefs.

I can tell you that one of my favorite columnists/commentators is Thomas Sowell. I don't know - I'm inspired by his opinions and what I perceive as a goodness in character. I practically prayed that Colin Powell would run for office - I would have voted for him in less than a heartbeat. There's no question he worked hard to rise up in the ranks. Personally, I think he's a man of great integrity and good character.

Look at the great contributions to humanity made by Booker T. Washington and George Washington Carver. What about Maggie Walker? She was an educator, and founder and first Black female president of a bank. There's a school named for her in Richmond, VA (where I spent way too many years of my life). Maggie Walker High School was there way before desegregation or any civil rights movements.

Look at the contributions of people such as Count Basie, Billie Holiday, Scott Joplin, Ahmed Jamal, Nat King Cole - despite their fame they couldn't get a room or a meal in a "whites only" establishment - but they preservered and their music is going to live on forever. Josephine Baker left America because of racism - but she rose to great fame in France.

There are just too many truly inspirational people to look up to as opposed to hitching your star to someone who is going to reinforce negative feelings. Life is just too damned short.

 

[MarcATL]

I agree that the people you listed are all great people...however, I totally disagree with your opinion on Obama.

Its ridiculous.

 

[California Girl]

I agree that the people you listed are all great people...however, I totally disagree with your opinion on Obama.

Its ridiculous.

It's a matter of perspective, Marc. I see Obama as having 'issues with race'.... I base that opinion on his own words.... You will see those words differently, and you have a right to. However, your opinion of Obama is no more than an opinion.... Just like mine.

 

[Yukon.]

But.... MarcATL is obsessed with race.

IOW a racist.

How the **** can ANYONE come to a different conclusion.

I would first doubt if the Pope was Catholic before I'd have the opinion this abomination isn't a Black Racist.

Our Pope was a Nazi prior to becoming a Priest, Bishop, Cardinal, and POPE. Even Nazi's can be good.

 

[MarcATL]

I agree that the people you listed are all great people...however, I totally disagree with your opinion on Obama.

Its ridiculous.

It's a matter of perspective, Marc. I see Obama as having 'issues with race'.... I base that opinion on his own words.... You will see those words differently, and you have a right to. However, your opinion of Obama is no more than an opinion.... Just like mine.

What "issues with race" does he have?

What words he used indicated that to you?

Let me ask you this. Between the two of us, who you think would have a better, more accurate understanding of Obama...me or you?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

I agree that the people you listed are all great people...however, I totally disagree with your opinion on Obama.

Its ridiculous.

It's a matter of perspective, Marc. I see Obama as having 'issues with race'.... I base that opinion on his own words.... You will see those words differently, and you have a right to. However, your opinion of Obama is no more than an opinion.... Just like mine.

What "issues with race" does he have?

What words he used indicated that to you?

Let me ask you this. Between the two of us, who you think would have a better, more accurate understanding of Obama...me or you?

Seeing that he's half white and half black I would think that neither of you has a more accurate understanding of the man.

 

[California Girl]

I agree that the people you listed are all great people...however, I totally disagree with your opinion on Obama.

Its ridiculous.

It's a matter of perspective, Marc. I see Obama as having 'issues with race'.... I base that opinion on his own words.... You will see those words differently, and you have a right to. However, your opinion of Obama is no more than an opinion.... Just like mine.

What "issues with race" does he have?

What words he used indicated that to you?

Let me ask you this. Between the two of us, who you think would have a better, more accurate understanding of Obama...me or you?

Anyone who uses terms like "typical white people" and jumps into an issue (such as the incident with the Police Officer and the Professor), admitting he does not have all the facts (as stated by Obama in his response to it) but who then chooses a 'side' (despite acknowledging he didn't know all the facts), etc etc etc.... has issues with race.

Between us? Neither. He is too left wing, too wrapped up in special interest groups, etc for me and you agree with him politically so, in my opinion, neither of us are capable of an unbiased assessment of his character. You might think you understand him better but that's just your opinion.

 

[Samson]

It's a matter of perspective, Marc. I see Obama as having 'issues with race'.... I base that opinion on his own words.... You will see those words differently, and you have a right to. However, your opinion of Obama is no more than an opinion.... Just like mine.

What "issues with race" does he have?

What words he used indicated that to you?

Let me ask you this. Between the two of us, who you think would have a better, more accurate understanding of Obama...me or you?

Seeing that he's half white and half black I would think that neither of you has a more accurate understanding of the man.

Is this a Black Cat or a White Cat?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

What "issues with race" does he have?

What words he used indicated that to you?

Let me ask you this. Between the two of us, who you think would have a better, more accurate understanding of Obama...me or you?

Seeing that he's half white and half black I would think that neither of you has a more accurate understanding of the man.

Is this a Black Cat or a White Cat?

It's neither. It's a black and white cat.

 

[GHook93]

How many of you feel that to be true?

Why/why not?

Expound....

No, not even close to all of them, but a significant proportion of them are. I think when we elect a good African American President in Michael Cain, then African Americans will enter an age of enlightenment, as will all America!

 

[Barb]

Firstly, thank you for your response.

Interesting, I take it you find they have no basis for such a position?

What's your understanding of the term racist literally, contextually and/or realistically. (they may all be different, BTW)

I indeed take it that they have no basis for that position, and I believe that King and Mal X would agree.

Literally racism is an ordinary expression of tribalism common to nearly everybody.

Contextual racism is far too hard to define. it begs for relativistic definitions which aren't definitions at all, just subjectivity.

Realistically I define racism as that which creates division between races,and on the opposite end of that same spectrum is assimilation which dissolves division between races.

You're at luxury to hold such definitions of racism.

My friend, racism involves beliefs of superiority...this is the word and term many like yourself fail to recognize time and time again.

This is the reason why you may find that many blacks believe and truly aren't racist, because to be racist, one has to feel superior to another "race." I don't like the term race, but I'll use it in the common way its used for communication purposes.

Quick question: have blacks in this country ever been in a position of superiority?

Racism is based on, or stems from, the belief of superiority. In considering discrimination, racism, and prejudice, it is important to come to a clearly understood definition of terms. “Prejudiced people may or may not discriminate, and discrimination does not necessarily imply the existence of racism.” Discrimination can be passive or unconscious, and prejudice can remain un-acted upon but, when the two come together in a purposeful way, they produce active racism.

The reason that the population that is not the most powerful in a society (in this case American black people as a demographic) cannot be considered "racist" is that they have never been powerful enough, socially, economically, or politically, to put any prejudicial feelings into active social, economic, or political policy.