Are All Black Americans Racist?

[Ozmar]

How many of you feel that to be true?

Why/why not?

Expound....

Why is this thread in here?

 

[Barb]

I agree that the people you listed are all great people...however, I totally disagree with your opinion on Obama.

Its ridiculous.

It's a matter of perspective, Marc. I see Obama as having 'issues with race'.... I base that opinion on his own words.... You will see those words differently, and you have a right to. However, your opinion of Obama is no more than an opinion.... Just like mine.

Having grown up with a foot in BOTH worlds at a time when the conflicts between them raged, of COURSE he would have "issues." Those same conditions would also give him a clearer understanding than many of BOTH sides of the issues America has struggled with since Jefferson punked out in his compromise that left his rebuke to King George out of the preamble to our Declaration.
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[Barb]

It's a matter of perspective, Marc. I see Obama as having 'issues with race'.... I base that opinion on his own words.... You will see those words differently, and you have a right to. However, your opinion of Obama is no more than an opinion.... Just like mine.

What "issues with race" does he have?

What words he used indicated that to you?

Let me ask you this. Between the two of us, who you think would have a better, more accurate understanding of Obama...me or you?

Anyone who uses terms like "typical white people" and jumps into an issue (such as the incident with the Police Officer and the Professor), admitting he does not have all the facts (as stated by Obama in his response to it) but who then chooses a 'side' (despite acknowledging he didn't know all the facts), etc etc etc.... has issues with race.

Between us? Neither. He is too left wing, too wrapped up in special interest groups, etc for me and you agree with him politically so, in my opinion, neither of us are capable of an unbiased assessment of his character. You might think you understand him better but that's just your opinion.

In the case of his grandmother, her response (that she was fearful of black men) when he was a teenager WAS typical of the majority of white women of her age and generation. Jesus H. Christ on a Popsicle stick, if we aren't going to be REAL about a discussion, why even have it??

 

[Samson]

What "issues with race" does he have?

What words he used indicated that to you?

Let me ask you this. Between the two of us, who you think would have a better, more accurate understanding of Obama...me or you?

Anyone who uses terms like "typical white people" and jumps into an issue (such as the incident with the Police Officer and the Professor), admitting he does not have all the facts (as stated by Obama in his response to it) but who then chooses a 'side' (despite acknowledging he didn't know all the facts), etc etc etc.... has issues with race.

Between us? Neither. He is too left wing, too wrapped up in special interest groups, etc for me and you agree with him politically so, in my opinion, neither of us are capable of an unbiased assessment of his character. You might think you understand him better but that's just your opinion.

In the case of his grandmother, her response (that she was fearful of black men) when he was a teenager WAS typical of the majority of white women of her age and generation. Jesus H. Christ on a Popsicle stick, if we aren't going to be REAL about a discussion, why even have it??

Because historical context makes the discussion too complicated.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

I indeed take it that they have no basis for that position, and I believe that King and Mal X would agree.

Literally racism is an ordinary expression of tribalism common to nearly everybody.

Contextual racism is far too hard to define. it begs for relativistic definitions which aren't definitions at all, just subjectivity.

Realistically I define racism as that which creates division between races,and on the opposite end of that same spectrum is assimilation which dissolves division between races.

You're at luxury to hold such definitions of racism.

My friend, racism involves beliefs of superiority...this is the word and term many like yourself fail to recognize time and time again.

This is the reason why you may find that many blacks believe and truly aren't racist, because to be racist, one has to feel superior to another "race." I don't like the term race, but I'll use it in the common way its used for communication purposes.

Quick question: have blacks in this country ever been in a position of superiority?

Racism is based on, or stems from, the belief of superiority. In considering discrimination, racism, and prejudice, it is important to come to a clearly understood definition of terms. “Prejudiced people may or may not discriminate, and discrimination does not necessarily imply the existence of racism.” Discrimination can be passive or unconscious, and prejudice can remain un-acted upon but, when the two come together in a purposeful way, they produce active racism.

The reason that the population that is not the most powerful in a society (in this case American black people as a demographic) cannot be considered "racist" is that they have never been powerful enough, socially, economically, or politically, to put any prejudicial feelings into active social, economic, or political policy.

Racism can be as simple as:

rac·ism   /ˈreɪsɪzəm/ Show Spelled[rey-siz-uhm] Show IPA
–noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

 

[saveliberty]

I agree that the people you listed are all great people...however, I totally disagree with your opinion on Obama.

Its ridiculous.

It's a matter of perspective, Marc. I see Obama as having 'issues with race'.... I base that opinion on his own words.... You will see those words differently, and you have a right to. However, your opinion of Obama is no more than an opinion.... Just like mine.

What "issues with race" does he have?

What words he used indicated that to you?

Let me ask you this. Between the two of us, who you think would have a better, more accurate understanding of Obama...me or you?

Obama is mixed race. Your assumption that ONLY a black person has the capability of understanding his politics as laughable. It appears that his detractors have more accurately predicted his failures and success. He attended a Black Theocracy church for years and tripped over himself racing to judgement on race issues more than once. He has issues. That is not the end of the world. Most people have issues of some type.

 

[MarcATL]

Racism is based on, or stems from, the belief of superiority. In considering discrimination, racism, and prejudice, it is important to come to a clearly understood definition of terms. “Prejudiced people may or may not discriminate, and discrimination does not necessarily imply the existence of racism.” Discrimination can be passive or unconscious, and prejudice can remain un-acted upon but, when the two come together in a purposeful way, they produce active racism.

The reason that the population that is not the most powerful in a society (in this case American black people as a demographic) cannot be considered "racist" is that they have never been powerful enough, socially, economically, or politically, to put any prejudicial feelings into active social, economic, or political policy.

Thank you.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

It's a matter of perspective, Marc. I see Obama as having 'issues with race'.... I base that opinion on his own words.... You will see those words differently, and you have a right to. However, your opinion of Obama is no more than an opinion.... Just like mine.

What "issues with race" does he have?

What words he used indicated that to you?

Let me ask you this. Between the two of us, who you think would have a better, more accurate understanding of Obama...me or you?

Obama is mixed race. Your assumption that ONLY a black person has the capability of understanding his politics as laughable. It appears that his detractors have more accurately predicted his failures and success. He attended a Black Theocracy church for years and tripped over himself racing to judgement on race issues more than once. He has issues. That is not the end of the world. Most people have issues of some type.

Don't hold your breath waiting on the coward MarcAtl to respond. He runs away everytime I challenge him on an issue.

 

[MarcATL]

In the case of his grandmother, her response (that she was fearful of black men) when he was a teenager WAS typical of the majority of white women of her age and generation. Jesus H. Christ on a Popsicle stick, if we aren't going to be REAL about a discussion, why even have it??

This is what I can't STAND about the MFers.

They LIE and DISTORT everything! Then base their arguments on the lie.

They start off by stating that Obama has racist issues as a fact, which is just their opinion, and it only gets worse from there.

Who can deal with that? It's not honest.

 

[MarcATL]

Racism can be as simple as:

rac·ism   /ˈreɪsɪzəm/ Show Spelled[rey-siz-uhm] Show IPA
–noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

Racism can be as simple as:

rac·ism   /ˈreɪsɪzəm/ Show Spelled[rey-siz-uhm] Show IPA
–noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

In the case of his grandmother, her response (that she was fearful of black men) when he was a teenager WAS typical of the majority of white women of her age and generation. Jesus H. Christ on a Popsicle stick, if we aren't going to be REAL about a discussion, why even have it??

This is what I can't STAND about the MFers.

They LIE and DISTORT everything! Then base their arguments on the lie.

They start off by stating that Obama has racist issues as a fact, which is just their opinion, and it only gets worse from there.

Who can deal with that? It's not honest.

What 's not honest is you saying that the government gave crack cocaine to the black panther party that caused their decline. You know as much about honesty as Truthmatters and Obama does.

 

[MarcATL]

Obama is mixed race. Your assumption that ONLY a black person has the capability of understanding his politics as laughable. It appears that his detractors have more accurately predicted his failures and success. He attended a Black Theocracy church for years and tripped over himself racing to judgement on race issues more than once. He has issues. That is not the end of the world. Most people have issues of some type.

Again, the RWNutJobs go off on tangents based on their own limited and WARPED understandings, or misunderstandings more accurately.

I'm not saying that ONLY a black person can understand him. I'm saying that someone with a similar experience, world view and political view can understand him.

But you and your ilk only see race, so of course that's how you will respond.

 

[MarcATL]

What 's not honest is you saying that the government gave crack cocaine to the black panther party that caused their decline. You know as much about honesty as Truthmatters and Obama does.

I didn't say the government GAVE it to the Black Panthers. I'm saying that the government ALLOWED it to enter into the Black communities without problems.

They did however frame some Black Panthers of drug deals, which none of them ever touched drugs, they were strict on that.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Racism can be as simple as:

rac·ism   /ˈreɪsɪzəm/ Show Spelled[rey-siz-uhm] Show IPA
–noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

Racism can be as simple as:

rac·ism   /ˈreɪsɪzəm/ Show Spelled[rey-siz-uhm] Show IPA
–noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

Yea so? Are you honestly saying that the only reason for black racism towards whites is based on that sole definition. Or is it the reason you feel that way about whites and you think that most blacks feels the same way?

Fact is racism has different meaning and you cannot possibly know what's in the hearts and minds of all blacks.

Surely you don't speak for Samir Shabazz.

"I hate white people. All of them. Every last iota of a cracker, I hate him. We didn’t come out here to pray together. It’s too much serious business going on in the black community to be out here sliding through South Street with white dirty cracker whores on our arm And we call ourselves black men with African garb on. What the hell is wrong wid you, black men? You have a doom day with white girls on your damn arm! You want freedom? You gonna have to kill some crackers! You gonna have to kill some of their babies!"

I'm certain that many blacks feel the same way he does.

But whether blacks are racist because they hate white people or because they feel that white people see themselves as superior doesn't take away the fact that they are racist.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

What 's not honest is you saying that the government gave crack cocaine to the black panther party that caused their decline. You know as much about honesty as Truthmatters and Obama does.

I didn't say the government GAVE it to the Black Panthers. I'm saying that the government ALLOWED it to enter into the Black communities without problems.

They did however frame some Black Panthers of drug deals, which none of them ever touched drugs, they were strict on that.

Yes the black panthers were angels

 

[lizzie]

I agree that the people you listed are all great people...however, I totally disagree with your opinion on Obama.

Its ridiculous.

It's a matter of perspective, Marc. I see Obama as having 'issues with race'.... I base that opinion on his own words.... You will see those words differently, and you have a right to. However, your opinion of Obama is no more than an opinion.... Just like mine.

What "issues with race" does he have?

What words he used indicated that to you?

Let me ask you this. Between the two of us, who you think would have a better, more accurate understanding of Obama...me or you?

Since he's half-white and half-black, I would think both of you can have an accurate understanding. If he has "issues" with race, it's likely it could be from his bi-racial make-up. This isn't uncommon by any means. It's a hurdle that a good number of bi-racial kids have to jump. Maybe it's not fair, and maybe it's not sensible, but it is a reality in many of their lives.

 

[Barb]

In the case of his grandmother, her response (that she was fearful of black men) when he was a teenager WAS typical of the majority of white women of her age and generation. Jesus H. Christ on a Popsicle stick, if we aren't going to be REAL about a discussion, why even have it??

This is what I can't STAND about the MFers.

They LIE and DISTORT everything! Then base their arguments on the lie.

They start off by stating that Obama has racist issues as a fact, which is just their opinion, and it only gets worse from there.

Who can deal with that? It's not honest.

What I've found is that (at least in some cases) the dishonesty is handed down, and the lies are learned.

I've had conversations with some of my own age group (I'm 47) or a little older who were raised down south, and their textbooks told a vastly different story from the ones I went to school with. I didn't understand until I found out about the texts that they weren't lying, per se, but that they really DID believe different things based on what they were taught, etc...

Then there is also a generational understanding...one that isn't aware of (the recent) past issues because they weren't alive near the time that they occurred, and didn't experience first hand, even on television, the events that shape the reality they live in.

It is hard to understand some beliefs, especially if they are harmful or hurtful ones. If the goal is instruction though, it is better to try to understand where they came from and how they developed in order to come from a better and more informed place ourselves.

Doesn't always work, especially on trolls, but reasonable people will respond favorably to a more understanding outlook, and they are the ones who are more likely to influence the communities THEY live in.

 

[MarcATL]

Yea so? Are you honestly saying that the only reason for black racism towards whites is based on that sole definition. Or is it the reason you feel that way about whites and you think that most blacks feels the same way?

Fact is racism has different meaning and you cannot possibly know what's in the hearts and minds of all blacks.

Surely you don't speak for Samir Shabazz.

"I hate white people. All of them. Every last iota of a cracker, I hate him. We didn’t come out here to pray together. It’s too much serious business going on in the black community to be out here sliding through South Street with white dirty cracker whores on our arm And we call ourselves black men with African garb on. What the hell is wrong wid you, black men? You have a doom day with white girls on your damn arm! You want freedom? You gonna have to kill some crackers! You gonna have to kill some of their babies!"

I'm certain that many blacks feel the same way he does.

But whether blacks are racist because they hate white people or because they feel that white people see themselves as superior doesn't take away the fact that they are racist.

Starts off by saying "how can you possibly know whats in the mind of blacks", then runs into...."I'm certain that many blacks feel..." LOL!!!

Sounds like you have already made up your mind. What's the point of you and I even discussing the issue?

 

[del]

Yea so? Are you honestly saying that the only reason for black racism towards whites is based on that sole definition. Or is it the reason you feel that way about whites and you think that most blacks feels the same way?

Fact is racism has different meaning and you cannot possibly know what's in the hearts and minds of all blacks.

Surely you don't speak for Samir Shabazz.

"I hate white people. All of them. Every last iota of a cracker, I hate him. We didn’t come out here to pray together. It’s too much serious business going on in the black community to be out here sliding through South Street with white dirty cracker whores on our arm And we call ourselves black men with African garb on. What the hell is wrong wid you, black men? You have a doom day with white girls on your damn arm! You want freedom? You gonna have to kill some crackers! You gonna have to kill some of their babies!"

I'm certain that many blacks feel the same way he does.

But whether blacks are racist because they hate white people or because they feel that white people see themselves as superior doesn't take away the fact that they are racist.

Starts off by saying "how can you possibly know whats in the mind of blacks", then runs into...."I'm certain that many blacks feel..." LOL!!!

Sounds like you have already made up your mind. What's the point of you and I even discussing the issue?

comic relief

 

[MarcATL]

What I've found is that (at least in some cases) the dishonesty is handed down, and the lies are learned.

I've had conversations with some of my own age group (I'm 47) or a little older who were raised down south, and their textbooks told a vastly different story from the ones I went to school with. I didn't understand until I found out about the texts that they weren't lying, per se, but that they really DID believe different things based on what they were taught, etc...

Then there is also a generational understanding...one that isn't aware of (the recent) past issues because they weren't alive near the time that they occurred, and didn't experience first hand, even on television, the events that shape the reality they live in.

It is hard to understand some beliefs, especially if they are harmful or hurtful ones. If the goal is instruction though, it is better to try to understand where they came from and how they developed in order to come from a better and more informed place ourselves.

Doesn't always work, especially on trolls, but reasonable people will respond favorably to a more understanding outlook, and they are the ones who are more likely to influence the communities THEY live in.

This reminds me of what's currently going on in Texas...how they're trying to stop certain FACTUAL events and tellings from going into the school books, while introducing and/or removing others.

So they are outright teaching lies huh? Interesting.