Are All Black Americans Racist?

[Samson]

It seems to me that they need to focus more on doing, and not so much on saying.

Again...they are DOING.

You name a leader other than Al Sharpton that's willing to go to jail for others. And no, that's not what I'm considering he's doing, he's out there in the trenches... daily. Getting the awareness out, defending rights everywhere...encouraging people, building the community...etc. I'm not sure of much more people who can compare to him really.

Symbolism, not substance. Being willing to go to jail for others and getting the message out may be an honorable sentiment, but this is playing on the emotions of those who hold him in high regard.

Yeah, how many black children has Sharpton adopted?

 

[LibocalypseNow]

I have also talked to many people from foreign countries and they consistently say that most African Americans are very hostile and racist. This is in stark contrast to actual Africans in Africa. These are people who are not from the U.S. but have been to Africa and the U.S. They do say that most African Americans are pretty hateful & hostile. This is coming from a neutral party so i think it would be wise to listen.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

They are CONSTANTLY saying "We need to xyz..." to our own communities.

They're not gonna jump up on say...CNN and do that, they are going to consistently work towards working on the community...IN the community. This is why people like Al Sharpton is so beloved in the community. He's for the people. For real, for real.

It seems to me that they need to focus more on doing, and not so much on saying.

Again...they are DOING.

You name a leader other than Al Sharpton that's willing to go to jail for others. And no, that's not what I'm considering he's doing, he's out there in the trenches... daily. Getting the awareness out, defending rights everywhere...encouraging people, building the community...etc. I'm not sure of much more people who can compare to him really.

Sharpton is nothing but an ex FBI informant turned race baiter. Listening to him is the dumbest thing anyone could do. Did you listen to him during the Tawana Brawley case? Or the Duke Lacrosses scandal or how about the Jena 6 debacle? He was on the wrong side of every one of those issues. So why the **** would anyone in their right mind listen to Al Sharpton?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

It seems to me that they need to focus more on doing, and not so much on saying.

Well, Lizzie, why don't you go down to Houston's Forth Ward and hang out for the weekend?

Because I value my life.

Isn't that a sad testimony to any neighbirhood? The fact that you can't walk through a neighborhood without fearing for your life is fucked up. But I imagine it's ******'s fault.

 

[lizzie]

They are CONSTANTLY saying "We need to xyz..." to our own communities.

They're not gonna jump up on say...CNN and do that, they are going to consistently work towards working on the community...IN the community. This is why people like Al Sharpton is so beloved in the community. He's for the people. For real, for real.

The true statement is, YOU aren't aware of when people like him and other implore their fellow men to do better.

After thinking about this for a few minutes, it occured to me where some of the disconnect may be. If Sharpton and company are constantly saying "We need to........." and being huge proponents of rights, the problem may be that they don't indeed fully recognize those rights yet. If someone feels truly empowered, they act and they problem-solve. It's not enough to tell someone he has a right to *whatever*, he must accept that he has the right, and also take the responsibility to act on those rights. Iow, rather than having a rally to gin up support for rights to a good community and decent housing, get in the trenches and build a nice place to live. Teach the community to do the things that need to be done. This is empowerment: action, not words. If you want to make your community crime-free, you don't put up with violent gangs- you police your community and get involved actively, not wait for police to do it.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Again...they are DOING.

You name a leader other than Al Sharpton that's willing to go to jail for others. And no, that's not what I'm considering he's doing, he's out there in the trenches... daily. Getting the awareness out, defending rights everywhere...encouraging people, building the community...etc. I'm not sure of much more people who can compare to him really.

Symbolism, not substance. Being willing to go to jail for others and getting the message out may be an honorable sentiment, but this is playing on the emotions of those who hold him in high regard.

Yeah, how many black children has Sharpton adopted?

Or how many illegitimate kids has he fathered?

 

[Sheldon]

I said it was all downhill from there Einstein.

What you stated coincides with what I stated.

The government crushed the Panthers in the mid 70s, when the crack was introduced...and the communities suffered thereafter.

Think McFly...

I've heard that before, about crack. Generally, crack is in the inner city, and powder coke is in the suburbs. But crack in the eighties--and maybe still today--carried a mandatory sentence of something like 3 times that of powder coke. I think that's played a role in why the prison population is disproportionately black.

Maybe this has already been mentioned in the thread; i haven't read it since i last posted, but i've heard and read the argument before that welfare has destroyed the family structure of blacks in general, like crack has. Not sure what to think about that.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Racism is a taught & learned behavior. Most get taught and learn this from childhood. Personally i think most Black Americans are taught to hate "******" from childhood. Therefore i do believe that most but not all Black Americans are racists. Until things change as far as teaching their children such hateful racism,things will stay pretty f*cked up. It is what it is.

 

[lizzie]

Well, Lizzie, why don't you go down to Houston's Forth Ward and hang out for the weekend?

Because I value my life.

Isn't that a sad testimony to any neighbirhood? The fact that you can't walk through a neighborhood without fearing for your life is fucked up. But I imagine it's ******'s fault.

It is very sad. I used to do home visits in a black neighborhood, and it was heart-breaking to see all the windows with bars on them, designed to keep the creeps in the neighboorhood out. I've had people tell me to wait until afternoon to come and see them, so that all the neighborhood criminals would be sleeping and I wouldn't have to worry about my own safety. Alot of older people in neighborhoods like that are living like prisoners in their own homes.

 

[Samson]

I said it was all downhill from there Einstein.

What you stated coincides with what I stated.

The government crushed the Panthers in the mid 70s, when the crack was introduced...and the communities suffered thereafter.

Think McFly...

I've heard that before, about crack. Generally, crack is in the inner city, and powder coke is in the suburbs. But crack in the eighties--and maybe still today--carried a mandatory sentence of something like 3 times that of powder coke. I think that's played a role in why the prison population is disproportionately black.

Maybe this has already been mentioned in the thread; i haven't read it since i last posted, but i've heard and read the argument before that welfare has destroyed the family structure of blacks in general, like crack has. Not sure what to think about that.

Actually, I think the penalties for posession of crack-cocain and cocain are the same.

"Crack" however, or cocain that is cut, or dilluted with all sorts of cheap fillers, is a much cheaper product, and therefore the product of choice for poorer consumers. Economically disadvantaged include a disproportionate number of blacks, who are arrested then swell their proportion in prison.

To blacks, who are justifiably paranoid, this appears as if whites have contrived to offer a cheap drug to desperatly poor people who can then be imprisoned on felony charges. They are then as prisoners, unable to reproduce, and as felons, unable to vote.

 

[Samson]

Because I value my life.

Isn't that a sad testimony to any neighbirhood? The fact that you can't walk through a neighborhood without fearing for your life is fucked up. But I imagine it's ******'s fault.

It is very sad. I used to do home visits in a black neighborhood, and it was heart-breaking to see all the windows with bars on them, designed to keep the creeps in the neighboorhood out. I've had people tell me to wait until afternoon to come and see them, so that all the neighborhood criminals would be sleeping and I wouldn't have to worry about my own safety. Alot of older people in neighborhoods like that are living like prisoners in their own homes.

Same-Same for poor hispanic, white, red, yellow.....whatever the pigmentation: if you are not the same color as the neighborhood (however poor) that you are in, then you will quickly become a racist.

Unless you're blind.

 

[Sheldon]

I said it was all downhill from there Einstein.

What you stated coincides with what I stated.

The government crushed the Panthers in the mid 70s, when the crack was introduced...and the communities suffered thereafter.

Think McFly...

I've heard that before, about crack. Generally, crack is in the inner city, and powder coke is in the suburbs. But crack in the eighties--and maybe still today--carried a mandatory sentence of something like 3 times that of powder coke. I think that's played a role in why the prison population is disproportionately black.

Maybe this has already been mentioned in the thread; i haven't read it since i last posted, but i've heard and read the argument before that welfare has destroyed the family structure of blacks in general, like crack has. Not sure what to think about that.

Actually, I think the penalties for posession of crack-cocain and cocain are the same.

"Crack" however, or cocain that is cut, or dilluted with all sorts of cheap fillers, is a much cheaper product, and therefore the product of choice for poorer consumers. Economically disadvantaged include a disproportionate number of blacks, who are arrested then swell their proportion in prison.

To blacks, who are justifiably paranoid, this appears as if whites have contrived to offer a cheap drug to desperatly poor people who can then be imprisoned on felony charges. They are then as prisoners, unable to reproduce, and as felons, unable to vote.

i was just looking that up. It's at 18-1 ratio now.

New Drug Law Narrows Crack, Powder Cocaine Sentencing Gap | PBS NewsHour | Aug. 3, 2010 | PBS

President Obama signed a new law at the White House today that will close the long-disputed gap in federal sentencing for crack vs. powder cocaine. Since 1986, defendants caught with 500 grams of powder cocaine have gotten the same punishment, five years in prison, as defendants convicted of possessing only five grams of crack cocaine. That's a sentencing ratio of 100-1.

The new law reduces that dramatic disparity, cutting the ratio to about 18-1. And, for the first time in 40 years, Congress is rolling back a mandatory minimum sentence already on the books. The law won rare bipartisan support.
​

a reason for the original disparity:

JUDGE REGGIE WALTON, U.S. District Court, Washington, D.C.: Well, at the time it became law, clearly, crack cocaine was having a devastating impact on many parts of our country, especially many of our inner-city communities.
There was, in fact, a lot of violence associated with crack cocaine, because it was an effort on the part of various drug organizations and individuals to garner the market in those particular locations. And, as a result of that, there was a lot of violence.
Also, there was a misperception that crack cocaine was something different chemically than what powder cocaine was. And it was because primarily, I think, of those two factors that we ended up with the disparity that we have.
​

 

[lizzie]

Same-Same for poor hispanic, white, red, yellow.....whatever the pigmentation: if you are not the same color as the neighborhood (however poor) that you are in, then you will quickly become a racist.

Unless you're blind.

I guess I'm blind.

Kidding aside though, my parents live in a old neighborhood that used to be predominantly white, which is now mostly hispanic, and there are no bars on the windows- yet.

 

[Samson]

I've heard that before, about crack. Generally, crack is in the inner city, and powder coke is in the suburbs. But crack in the eighties--and maybe still today--carried a mandatory sentence of something like 3 times that of powder coke. I think that's played a role in why the prison population is disproportionately black.

Maybe this has already been mentioned in the thread; i haven't read it since i last posted, but i've heard and read the argument before that welfare has destroyed the family structure of blacks in general, like crack has. Not sure what to think about that.

Actually, I think the penalties for posession of crack-cocain and cocain are the same.

"Crack" however, or cocain that is cut, or diluted with all sorts of cheap fillers, is a much cheaper product, and therefore the product of choice for poorer consumers. Economically disadvantaged include a disproportionate number of blacks, who are arrested then swell their proportion in prison.

To blacks, who are justifiably paranoid, this appears as if whites have contrived to offer a cheap drug to desperatly poor people who can then be imprisoned on felony charges. They are then as prisoners, unable to reproduce, and as felons, unable to vote.

i was just looking that up. It's at 18-1 ratio now.

New Drug Law Narrows Crack, Powder Cocaine Sentencing Gap | PBS NewsHour | Aug. 3, 2010 | PBS

President Obama signed a new law at the White House today that will close the long-disputed gap in federal sentencing for crack vs. powder cocaine. Since 1986, defendants caught with 500 grams of powder cocaine have gotten the same punishment, five years in prison, as defendants convicted of possessing only five grams of crack cocaine. That's a sentencing ratio of 100-1.

The new law reduces that dramatic disparity, cutting the ratio to about 18-1. And, for the first time in 40 years, Congress is rolling back a mandatory minimum sentence already on the books. The law won rare bipartisan support.
​

a reason for the original disparity:

JUDGE REGGIE WALTON, U.S. District Court, Washington, D.C.: Well, at the time it became law, clearly, crack cocaine was having a devastating impact on many parts of our country, especially many of our inner-city communities.
There was, in fact, a lot of violence associated with crack cocaine, because it was an effort on the part of various drug organizations and individuals to garner the market in those particular locations. And, as a result of that, there was a lot of violence.
Also, there was a misperception that crack cocaine was something different chemically than what powder cocaine was. And it was because primarily, I think, of those two factors that we ended up with the disparity that we have.
​

I wonder how they've reduced the crack-to-coke sentencing ratio from 100:1 to 18:1?

I also wonder how an 18:1 sentencing ratio is acheived? Are we convicting more coke users? While its not as bad as 100:1, it still seems to be way out of proportion.

 

[skookerasbil]

You gotta say..........its pretty fcukked up when you realize how many whites voted for Obama by %.........and now to see that black support for this president is still around 90%!! Talk about the blind leading the blind!!!

I think it is clear that at least in the inner cities, many blacks are raised not to trust whites, thus, there is a level of ambivilence towards whites by many blacks. Racist? Hmmmm.................

I will point out that many of the lefty k00ks on this board have no clue about the dynamic because they come across black people about as often as a Chinese guy see's a Scandanavian woman walking the Great Wall!!! They only know as much about it as they read in books and see on TV..........oh, but are experts on race relations!!!!!!

 

[Samson]

Same-Same for poor hispanic, white, red, yellow.....whatever the pigmentation: if you are not the same color as the neighborhood (however poor) that you are in, then you will quickly become a racist.

Unless you're blind.

I guess I'm blind.

Kidding aside though, my parents live in a old neighborhood that used to be predominantly white, which is now mostly hispanic, and there are no bars on the windows- yet.

Once they see you walkin' 'round, they'll probably get the message and begin welding bars to the windows.

 

[skookerasbil]

What is simply amazing is how people on the left think that the American black leadership and the Democrat party in general have the interets of the black community first and foremost. HOLY MOTHER OF GOD...........you cant get anny more naive than that!!!


That blacks blindly follow the lead of the Democratic party in general is about the saddest fcukking thing Ive ever seen in my whole life. They'd follow them right over a cliff and never give it a second thought!!! But give the Democrats credit............they've effectively duped a whole race!!


EDIT>> ps....compare the socioeconomic advances of black families in the late 1950's compared to the late 1970's and collapse of an entire race into a snake pit.........thanks, of course, to liberal public policy<<EDIT

 

[RadiomanATL]

******* cracker honky mutha fuckas.

 

[lizzie]

Once they see you walkin' 'round, they'll probably get the message and begin welding bars to the windows.

Nah- I'm harmless unless you try to harm me first.

 

[loosecannon]

There is no such thing as race (skin color is as benign as hair color).

and yet if you ask the entire world what race Obama is, almost all of them will readily identify him as a black man, even tho he is half white.

It makes no difference whatsoever whether there is a scientifically definable and precise definition of races, everybody recognizes them anyway.

Which is reality vs your silly rationalization.

Grow up.