Are All Black Americans Racist?

I indeed take it that they have no basis for that position, and I believe that King and Mal X would agree.

Literally racism is an ordinary expression of tribalism common to nearly everybody.

Contextual racism is far too hard to define. it begs for relativistic definitions which aren't definitions at all, just subjectivity.

Realistically I define racism as that which creates division between races,and on the opposite end of that same spectrum is assimilation which dissolves division between races.
You're at luxury to hold such definitions of racism.

My friend, racism involves beliefs of superiority...this is the word and term many like yourself fail to recognize time and time again.

This is the reason why you may find that many blacks believe and truly aren't racist, because to be racist, one has to feel superior to another "race." I don't like the term race, but I'll use it in the common way its used for communication purposes.

Quick question: have blacks in this country ever been in a position of superiority?

Racism is based on, or stems from, the belief of superiority. In considering discrimination, racism, and prejudice, it is important to come to a clearly understood definition of terms. “Prejudiced people may or may not discriminate, and discrimination does not necessarily imply the existence of racism.” Discrimination can be passive or unconscious, and prejudice can remain un-acted upon but, when the two come together in a purposeful way, they produce active racism.

The reason that the population that is not the most powerful in a society (in this case American black people as a demographic) cannot be considered "racist" is that they have never been powerful enough, socially, economically, or politically, to put any prejudicial feelings into active social, economic, or political policy.

Is it necessarily about 'superiority'? I tend to think not.... I think it's more about seeing someone as 'different' based solely on the color of that person's skin. It isn't necessary to see yourself as 'superior' to that person, which I why I see quite a lot of 'racism' in liberals. Personally, I find it offensive when people make comments such as 'blacks think xxx' or 'Hispanics believe xxx' because 'blacks' do not think alike, Hispanics don't all believe alike. People are individuals.

I guess group-think just seriously pisses me off.
 
What I've found is that (at least in some cases) the dishonesty is handed down, and the lies are learned.

I've had conversations with some of my own age group (I'm 47) or a little older who were raised down south, and their textbooks told a vastly different story from the ones I went to school with. I didn't understand until I found out about the texts that they weren't lying, per se, but that they really DID believe different things based on what they were taught, etc...

Then there is also a generational understanding...one that isn't aware of (the recent) past issues because they weren't alive near the time that they occurred, and didn't experience first hand, even on television, the events that shape the reality they live in.

It is hard to understand some beliefs, especially if they are harmful or hurtful ones. If the goal is instruction though, it is better to try to understand where they came from and how they developed in order to come from a better and more informed place ourselves.

Doesn't always work, especially on trolls, but reasonable people will respond favorably to a more understanding outlook, and they are the ones who are more likely to influence the communities THEY live in.

This reminds me of what's currently going on in Texas...how they're trying to stop certain FACTUAL events and tellings from going into the school books, while introducing and/or removing others.

So they are outright teaching lies huh? Interesting.

That's over simplifying the whole 'textbook' thing. Personally, I'd like to see textbooks written from a purely factual basis, without the current trend towards 'liberal' spin.
 
In the case of his grandmother, her response (that she was fearful of black men) when he was a teenager WAS typical of the majority of white women of her age and generation. Jesus H. Christ on a Popsicle stick, if we aren't going to be REAL about a discussion, why even have it??
This is what I can't STAND about the MFers.

They LIE and DISTORT everything! Then base their arguments on the lie.

They start off by stating that Obama has racist issues as a fact, which is just their opinion, and it only gets worse from there.

Who can deal with that? It's not honest.

What 's not honest is you saying that the government gave crack cocaine to the black panther party that caused their decline. You know as much about honesty as Truthmatters and Obama does.

What IS true is that the US Government aided and abetted, and PROFITED from, in order to fund illegal and unconstitutional activities, the FLOOD of cocaine into US streets at a time when rich white people discovered it limped their dicks.

The Contras and Cocaine
In 1979, a group of Nicaraguan exiles calling themselves the Contras began to fight a guerilla war against the Sandinista government of Nicaragua. The Reagan administration of the 1980s viewed these exiles as potentially useful in the Cold War, and President Reagan went so far as to associate them to the “founding fathers.” Because the United States Congress disagreed, it passed “Boland Amendments” restricting the types of support the administration could offer to the Contras. Specifically, these Amendments prohibited the use of CIA funds to depose the Sandinista government, and restricted U.S. Aide to the Contras to “humanitarian” relief. Michael Agar explained that the response to these restrictions by the Reagan administration included allowing, indeed protecting the entry of US relief planes loaded with powder cocaine into the United States.

The extent of U.S. involvement in cocaine trafficking in the 1980s remains in dispute. Based on past cases, it is unlikely that the CIA played an active role in developing U.S. markets. For present purposes, one thing is clear, in Central America with cocaine, just as with other cases in Southeast and Southwest Asia, political allies of the U.S., in wars against Communist regimes, used illicit drugs to raise revenue to support their efforts. When this did happen, the U.S. at least looked the other way. At the next level, U.S. logistical support was used to transport illicit drugs. One more level up, and the U.S. actively intervened to protect its allies against the efforts of other agencies, from the U.S. or other countries, to stop trafficking. All these levels were reached in the Contra case.

Robert Parry went into greater detail regarding the findings of John KerryÂ’s Congressional investigation into the funding of the Contras through the international cocaine trade, including the 1998 findings of CIA inspector Fredrick Hitz that the Reagan administration knew from the beginning that the CIA was working with drug traffickers in the Contra army, that these were internationally connected, that the CIA protected them from exposure and prosecution, and indicated direct connections between the flood of cocaine into the United states in the 1980s and direct orders from officials of the United States Government.

Reviewing evidence that existed in the 1980s, CIA inspector general Hitz found that some Contra-connected drug traffickers worked directly for Reagan's National Security Council staff and the CIA. In 1987, Cuban-American Bay of Pigs veteran Moises Nunez told CIA investigators that "it was difficult to answer questions relating to his involvement in narcotics trafficking because of the specific tasks he had performed at the direction of the NSC."

Crack Cocaine

The result of this trafficking was that powder cocaine available through the US drug market was purer in form, cheaper by half, and in greater supply than decreasing demand would support. The decrease in demand came when baby-boomers were coming to an age where the consequences of prolonged recreational drug use became problematic physically, psychologically, and professionally. The wealthy white would not sustain demand, and the market had to adjust down to “retail” the product to the poor.

Contrary to popular belief, Parry noted that the introduction of crack did not institute increased dug abuse. Heroine and powdered cocaine were already common, and often used in tandem in the form of “speedballing” by IV drug users. Neither did crack use predominantly begin as a problem in African-American neighborhoods, although it was most visibly depicted as such by the national news media.

However, the socially constructed image clearly shifts in the mid-eighties. In his history of dug policy, Baum notes that, by the end of 1985, media no longer show the cocaine user as white, rich, attractive and tragic. Now the user is black or Hispanic, and menacing as well.

When crack use did become more of a problem in the inner cities than suburbia, it came in tandem with the results of Reaganomics, the outsourcing of factory jobs, as well as white and black middle class flight from the cities. The only growth market in the inner city community was drug sales, and if one lived, one could make a comfortable living in the dismal1980s economy.

Without any critical thought, government acknowledgment of guilt, or media analysis regarding how the crack trade came about, the crack “epidemic” served the twin theories of flawed character and racial inferiority that white middle class communities find so comforting in dismissing urban poverty as just desserts for their own bad acts. As quiet as it is kept, while the distribution of crack and other forms of cocaine is conducted in the inner cities, use is still more far-reaching than many like to believe.

Michael Agar, Addiction Research & Theory: The Story Of Crack: Towards A Theory Of Illicit Drug Trends. 27pFeb2003, Vol. 11 Issue 1, p3-29, retrieved May 15, 2010 from Empire State College - Login
Michelle Alexander, Mother Jones The New Jim Crow 8 March, 2010, This story first appeared on the Tom Dispatch website retrieved May 15, 2010 from The New Jim Crow | Mother Jones
Dan Baum, Criminal Justice Tunnel Vision, The War on Drugs, Twelve Years Later, ABA Journal, 1993, March retrieved May 15, 2010 from Empire State College - Login
Richard A Cloward and Francis Fox Priven "Keeping Labor Lean and Hungry." Nation, November 7, 1981: 466-467 accessed December 13, 2009 from Empire State College - Login, 466.
James D. Cockcroft, Latin America, History, Politics, and U.S. Policy Second Ed, Wadsworth USA 1996
Martin Gilens, Why Americans Hate Welfare: Race, Media, and the Politics of Antipoverty Policy The University of Chicago Press, 1999
Holly Karibo. NEOAMERICANIST, Constructing an Image; Pregnant Women, Crack Cocaine, and the Media in American History, Originally published in the Vol. 2 no. 1 (Spring/Summer 2006) issue, retrieved May 15, 2010 from Constructing an Image - Karibo | NeoAmericanist
Lash, Jonathan, Katherine Gillman, and David Sheridan. A Season of Spoils; The Reagan Administration's Attack on the Environment, xi, 6, 27-29, 84-96, 131-142, 159, 164-171, 195-210, and 272.
Andrea Victoria Martinez, Minorities, Mothers And Their Children – The True Victims Of The War On Drugs, retrieved May 15, 2010 from http://lawlib.wlu.edu/works/568-1.pdf
Robert Parry, Salon.com How John Kerry exposed the Contra-cocaine scandal, 25 October 2004, retrieved May 15, 2010 from How John Kerry exposed the Contra-cocaine scandal - Salon.com
Bradley R. Schiller, The Economics of Poverty and Discrimination Tenth Ed. Pearson Prentice Hall, NJ, US, 2008
Tony Whitehead, PhD, Marion Barry, the Incarceration Epidemic, and the Prison-to-Community Cultural Continuum in Washington, DC, CUSAG, The Cultural Systems Analysis Group, University of Maryland, retrieved May 15, 2010 from Powered by Google Docs
 
What I've found is that (at least in some cases) the dishonesty is handed down, and the lies are learned.

I've had conversations with some of my own age group (I'm 47) or a little older who were raised down south, and their textbooks told a vastly different story from the ones I went to school with. I didn't understand until I found out about the texts that they weren't lying, per se, but that they really DID believe different things based on what they were taught, etc...

Then there is also a generational understanding...one that isn't aware of (the recent) past issues because they weren't alive near the time that they occurred, and didn't experience first hand, even on television, the events that shape the reality they live in.

It is hard to understand some beliefs, especially if they are harmful or hurtful ones. If the goal is instruction though, it is better to try to understand where they came from and how they developed in order to come from a better and more informed place ourselves.

Doesn't always work, especially on trolls, but reasonable people will respond favorably to a more understanding outlook, and they are the ones who are more likely to influence the communities THEY live in.

This reminds me of what's currently going on in Texas...how they're trying to stop certain FACTUAL events and tellings from going into the school books, while introducing and/or removing others.

So they are outright teaching lies huh? Interesting.

That's over simplifying the whole 'textbook' thing. Personally, I'd like to see textbooks written from a purely factual basis, without the current trend towards 'liberal' spin.

Where factual = liberal, and I'm sorry, but the current mindset of those influential in Texas equates the two. what will you do then?
 
Yea so? Are you honestly saying that the only reason for black racism towards whites is based on that sole definition. Or is it the reason you feel that way about whites and you think that most blacks feels the same way?

Fact is racism has different meaning and you cannot possibly know what's in the hearts and minds of all blacks.

Surely you don't speak for Samir Shabazz.

"I hate white people. All of them. Every last iota of a cracker, I hate him. We didnÂ’t come out here to pray together. ItÂ’s too much serious business going on in the black community to be out here sliding through South Street with white dirty cracker whores on our arm And we call ourselves black men with African garb on. What the hell is wrong wid you, black men? You have a doom day with white girls on your damn arm! You want freedom? You gonna have to kill some crackers! You gonna have to kill some of their babies!"

I'm certain that many blacks feel the same way he does.

But whether blacks are racist because they hate white people or because they feel that white people see themselves as superior doesn't take away the fact that they are racist.

Starts off by saying "how can you possibly know whats in the mind of blacks", then runs into...."I'm certain that many blacks feel..." LOL!!!

Sounds like you have already made up your mind. What's the point of you and I even discussing the issue?

Damn you're dense. Fact is I never assumed to know how all blacks think, but I am certain that a number of them feel just like Shabazz. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?

Why not answer my questions instead of deflecting?

Or you could just concede to the fact that you don't know as much as you think you do.
 
What I've found is that (at least in some cases) the dishonesty is handed down, and the lies are learned.

I've had conversations with some of my own age group (I'm 47) or a little older who were raised down south, and their textbooks told a vastly different story from the ones I went to school with. I didn't understand until I found out about the texts that they weren't lying, per se, but that they really DID believe different things based on what they were taught, etc...

Then there is also a generational understanding...one that isn't aware of (the recent) past issues because they weren't alive near the time that they occurred, and didn't experience first hand, even on television, the events that shape the reality they live in.

It is hard to understand some beliefs, especially if they are harmful or hurtful ones. If the goal is instruction though, it is better to try to understand where they came from and how they developed in order to come from a better and more informed place ourselves.

Doesn't always work, especially on trolls, but reasonable people will respond favorably to a more understanding outlook, and they are the ones who are more likely to influence the communities THEY live in.

This reminds me of what's currently going on in Texas...how they're trying to stop certain FACTUAL events and tellings from going into the school books, while introducing and/or removing others.

So they are outright teaching lies huh? Interesting.

They are, but where the power of Texas lies is in the sheer number of textbooks purchased, nothing more, nothing less. They dictate based on numbers, not actual AUTHORITY.
 
What I've found is that (at least in some cases) the dishonesty is handed down, and the lies are learned.

I've had conversations with some of my own age group (I'm 47) or a little older who were raised down south, and their textbooks told a vastly different story from the ones I went to school with. I didn't understand until I found out about the texts that they weren't lying, per se, but that they really DID believe different things based on what they were taught, etc...

Then there is also a generational understanding...one that isn't aware of (the recent) past issues because they weren't alive near the time that they occurred, and didn't experience first hand, even on television, the events that shape the reality they live in.

It is hard to understand some beliefs, especially if they are harmful or hurtful ones. If the goal is instruction though, it is better to try to understand where they came from and how they developed in order to come from a better and more informed place ourselves.

Doesn't always work, especially on trolls, but reasonable people will respond favorably to a more understanding outlook, and they are the ones who are more likely to influence the communities THEY live in.

This reminds me of what's currently going on in Texas...how they're trying to stop certain FACTUAL events and tellings from going into the school books, while introducing and/or removing others.

So they are outright teaching lies huh? Interesting.

Examples?
 
This is what I can't STAND about the MFers.

They LIE and DISTORT everything! Then base their arguments on the lie.

They start off by stating that Obama has racist issues as a fact, which is just their opinion, and it only gets worse from there.

Who can deal with that? It's not honest.

What 's not honest is you saying that the government gave crack cocaine to the black panther party that caused their decline. You know as much about honesty as Truthmatters and Obama does.

What IS true is that the US Government aided and abetted, and PROFITED from, in order to fund illegal and unconstitutional activities, the FLOOD of cocaine into US streets at a time when rich white people discovered it limped their dicks.

The Contras and Cocaine
In 1979, a group of Nicaraguan exiles calling themselves the Contras began to fight a guerilla war against the Sandinista government of Nicaragua. The Reagan administration of the 1980s viewed these exiles as potentially useful in the Cold War, and President Reagan went so far as to associate them to the “founding fathers.” Because the United States Congress disagreed, it passed “Boland Amendments” restricting the types of support the administration could offer to the Contras. Specifically, these Amendments prohibited the use of CIA funds to depose the Sandinista government, and restricted U.S. Aide to the Contras to “humanitarian” relief. Michael Agar explained that the response to these restrictions by the Reagan administration included allowing, indeed protecting the entry of US relief planes loaded with powder cocaine into the United States.

The extent of U.S. involvement in cocaine trafficking in the 1980s remains in dispute. Based on past cases, it is unlikely that the CIA played an active role in developing U.S. markets. For present purposes, one thing is clear, in Central America with cocaine, just as with other cases in Southeast and Southwest Asia, political allies of the U.S., in wars against Communist regimes, used illicit drugs to raise revenue to support their efforts. When this did happen, the U.S. at least looked the other way. At the next level, U.S. logistical support was used to transport illicit drugs. One more level up, and the U.S. actively intervened to protect its allies against the efforts of other agencies, from the U.S. or other countries, to stop trafficking. All these levels were reached in the Contra case.

Robert Parry went into greater detail regarding the findings of John KerryÂ’s Congressional investigation into the funding of the Contras through the international cocaine trade, including the 1998 findings of CIA inspector Fredrick Hitz that the Reagan administration knew from the beginning that the CIA was working with drug traffickers in the Contra army, that these were internationally connected, that the CIA protected them from exposure and prosecution, and indicated direct connections between the flood of cocaine into the United states in the 1980s and direct orders from officials of the United States Government.

Reviewing evidence that existed in the 1980s, CIA inspector general Hitz found that some Contra-connected drug traffickers worked directly for Reagan's National Security Council staff and the CIA. In 1987, Cuban-American Bay of Pigs veteran Moises Nunez told CIA investigators that "it was difficult to answer questions relating to his involvement in narcotics trafficking because of the specific tasks he had performed at the direction of the NSC."

Crack Cocaine

The result of this trafficking was that powder cocaine available through the US drug market was purer in form, cheaper by half, and in greater supply than decreasing demand would support. The decrease in demand came when baby-boomers were coming to an age where the consequences of prolonged recreational drug use became problematic physically, psychologically, and professionally. The wealthy white would not sustain demand, and the market had to adjust down to “retail” the product to the poor.

Contrary to popular belief, Parry noted that the introduction of crack did not institute increased dug abuse. Heroine and powdered cocaine were already common, and often used in tandem in the form of “speedballing” by IV drug users. Neither did crack use predominantly begin as a problem in African-American neighborhoods, although it was most visibly depicted as such by the national news media.

However, the socially constructed image clearly shifts in the mid-eighties. In his history of dug policy, Baum notes that, by the end of 1985, media no longer show the cocaine user as white, rich, attractive and tragic. Now the user is black or Hispanic, and menacing as well.

When crack use did become more of a problem in the inner cities than suburbia, it came in tandem with the results of Reaganomics, the outsourcing of factory jobs, as well as white and black middle class flight from the cities. The only growth market in the inner city community was drug sales, and if one lived, one could make a comfortable living in the dismal1980s economy.

Without any critical thought, government acknowledgment of guilt, or media analysis regarding how the crack trade came about, the crack “epidemic” served the twin theories of flawed character and racial inferiority that white middle class communities find so comforting in dismissing urban poverty as just desserts for their own bad acts. As quiet as it is kept, while the distribution of crack and other forms of cocaine is conducted in the inner cities, use is still more far-reaching than many like to believe.

Michael Agar, Addiction Research & Theory: The Story Of Crack: Towards A Theory Of Illicit Drug Trends. 27pFeb2003, Vol. 11 Issue 1, p3-29, retrieved May 15, 2010 from Empire State College - Login
Michelle Alexander, Mother Jones The New Jim Crow 8 March, 2010, This story first appeared on the Tom Dispatch website retrieved May 15, 2010 from The New Jim Crow | Mother Jones
Dan Baum, Criminal Justice Tunnel Vision, The War on Drugs, Twelve Years Later, ABA Journal, 1993, March retrieved May 15, 2010 from Empire State College - Login
Richard A Cloward and Francis Fox Priven "Keeping Labor Lean and Hungry." Nation, November 7, 1981: 466-467 accessed December 13, 2009 from Empire State College - Login, 466.
James D. Cockcroft, Latin America, History, Politics, and U.S. Policy Second Ed, Wadsworth USA 1996
Martin Gilens, Why Americans Hate Welfare: Race, Media, and the Politics of Antipoverty Policy The University of Chicago Press, 1999
Holly Karibo. NEOAMERICANIST, Constructing an Image; Pregnant Women, Crack Cocaine, and the Media in American History, Originally published in the Vol. 2 no. 1 (Spring/Summer 2006) issue, retrieved May 15, 2010 from Constructing an Image - Karibo | NeoAmericanist
Lash, Jonathan, Katherine Gillman, and David Sheridan. A Season of Spoils; The Reagan Administration's Attack on the Environment, xi, 6, 27-29, 84-96, 131-142, 159, 164-171, 195-210, and 272.
Andrea Victoria Martinez, Minorities, Mothers And Their Children – The True Victims Of The War On Drugs, retrieved May 15, 2010 from http://lawlib.wlu.edu/works/568-1.pdf
Robert Parry, Salon.com How John Kerry exposed the Contra-cocaine scandal, 25 October 2004, retrieved May 15, 2010 from How John Kerry exposed the Contra-cocaine scandal - Salon.com
Bradley R. Schiller, The Economics of Poverty and Discrimination Tenth Ed. Pearson Prentice Hall, NJ, US, 2008
Tony Whitehead, PhD, Marion Barry, the Incarceration Epidemic, and the Prison-to-Community Cultural Continuum in Washington, DC, CUSAG, The Cultural Systems Analysis Group, University of Maryland, retrieved May 15, 2010 from Powered by Google Docs

We really aren't concerned about your limp dick.
 
You're at luxury to hold such definitions of racism.

My friend, racism involves beliefs of superiority...this is the word and term many like yourself fail to recognize time and time again.

This is the reason why you may find that many blacks believe and truly aren't racist, because to be racist, one has to feel superior to another "race." I don't like the term race, but I'll use it in the common way its used for communication purposes.

Quick question: have blacks in this country ever been in a position of superiority?

Racism is based on, or stems from, the belief of superiority. In considering discrimination, racism, and prejudice, it is important to come to a clearly understood definition of terms. “Prejudiced people may or may not discriminate, and discrimination does not necessarily imply the existence of racism.” Discrimination can be passive or unconscious, and prejudice can remain un-acted upon but, when the two come together in a purposeful way, they produce active racism.

The reason that the population that is not the most powerful in a society (in this case American black people as a demographic) cannot be considered "racist" is that they have never been powerful enough, socially, economically, or politically, to put any prejudicial feelings into active social, economic, or political policy.

Is it necessarily about 'superiority'? I tend to think not.... I think it's more about seeing someone as 'different' based solely on the color of that person's skin. It isn't necessary to see yourself as 'superior' to that person, which I why I see quite a lot of 'racism' in liberals. Personally, I find it offensive when people make comments such as 'blacks think xxx' or 'Hispanics believe xxx' because 'blacks' do not think alike, Hispanics don't all believe alike. People are individuals.

I guess group-think just seriously pisses me off.

As to the bolded above, the bigotry or prejudice that is productive of racism is certainly based in theories of superiority.

How can I kick you in the teeth, rape your daughters, steal your water or land, or subjugate you in any way if I do not FIRST consider myself BETTER than you?

In order to have the majority of my citizens on board with doing that on a larger scale, would I not first have to convince them that THEY are better than the people of the country it is done to in their name?
 
We really aren't concerned about your limp dick.

You ass, I'm a girl.

How about you address the irrefutable information presented?
 
We really aren't concerned about your limp dick.

You ass, I'm a girl.

How about you address the irrefutable information presented?

I never denied the CIA engaged in drug activity. I addressed the lie that Marc told when he stated that the govt. gave drugs to the black panther party that wound up ending their little gang.
 
We really aren't concerned about your limp dick.

You ass, I'm a girl.

How about you address the irrefutable information presented?

I never denied the CIA engaged in drug activity. I addressed the lie that Marc told when he stated that the govt. gave drugs to the black panther party that wound up ending their little gang.

Could you, would you, if I asked ever so nicely with a please to link that post for me? :eusa_angel:

I couldn't stomach wading through umpteen pages of this thread to find it. Did he post a link or citation? Please include that as well, as I'd like to follow up on it to judge the veracity for myself.
 
What 's not honest is you saying that the government gave crack cocaine to the black panther party that caused their decline. You know as much about honesty as Truthmatters and Obama does.

I didn't say the government GAVE it to the Black Panthers. I'm saying that the government ALLOWED it to enter into the Black communities without problems.

They did however frame some Black Panthers of drug deals, which none of them ever touched drugs, they were strict on that.

This is what you said you lying ****!

"Crack-Cocaine? Do you know how that came about? The war the government waged against The Black Panther Party, which was a community organization intended to further strengthen black families by educating themselves and strengthening their communities. The administration at the time considered them a threat and waged an open war against them. Infiltrating them and sabotaging them, etc. And in the end unleashed the deadly drug upon their communities in a final successful attempt to crush them out of existence."

Now show proof that black panthers were framed. And you say that none of them done drugs and that is another lie. Huey Newton was a coke addict and it's been well documented.


Your crediblity or what's left of it, is fading away.
 
You ass, I'm a girl.

How about you address the irrefutable information presented?

I never denied the CIA engaged in drug activity. I addressed the lie that Marc told when he stated that the govt. gave drugs to the black panther party that wound up ending their little gang.

Could you, would you, if I asked ever so nicely with a please to link that post for me? :eusa_angel:

I couldn't stomach wading through umpteen pages of this thread to find it. Did he post a link or citation? Please include that as well, as I'd like to follow up on it to judge the veracity for myself.

No he posted no link, no citation, just lies. It's on page 11.
 
15th post
Why doesn't a moderator either lock this thread or move it? It's troll-haven up in here!
 
What 's not honest is you saying that the government gave crack cocaine to the black panther party that caused their decline. You know as much about honesty as Truthmatters and Obama does.

I didn't say the government GAVE it to the Black Panthers. I'm saying that the government ALLOWED it to enter into the Black communities without problems.

They did however frame some Black Panthers of drug deals, which none of them ever touched drugs, they were strict on that.

This is what you said you lying ****!

"Crack-Cocaine? Do you know how that came about? The war the government waged against The Black Panther Party, which was a community organization intended to further strengthen black families by educating themselves and strengthening their communities. The administration at the time considered them a threat and waged an open war against them. Infiltrating them and sabotaging them, etc. And in the end unleashed the deadly drug upon their communities in a final successful attempt to crush them out of existence."

Now show proof that black panthers were framed. And you say that none of them done drugs and that is another lie. Huey Newton was a coke addict and it's been well documented.


Your crediblity or what's left of it, is fading away.

What you QUOTED from what Mark posted proves the truth of what he did say. I would still like a link to the part where he said the Black Panthers were framed for drugs. It is common knowledge that they were infiltrated and framed for other activities.

The prosecution of the drug trade, ironic to say the least given the SOURCE of its supply DID decimate the poorest and predominantly black AMERICAN communities:

From the same paper I quoted before, and the same bibliography:

However, the socially constructed image clearly shifts in the mid-eighties. In his history of dug policy, Baum notes that, by the end of 1985, media no longer show the cocaine user as white, rich, attractive and tragic. Now the user is black or Hispanic, and menacing as well.
When crack use did become more of a problem in the inner cities than suburbia, it came in tandem with the results of Reaganomics, the outsourcing of factory jobs, as well as white and black middle class flight from the cities. The only growth market in the inner city community was drug sales, and if one lived, one could make a comfortable living in the dismal1980s economy.

Without any critical thought, government acknowledgment of guilt, or media analysis regarding how the crack trade came about, the crack “epidemic” served the twin theories of flawed character and racial inferiority that white middle class communities find so comforting in dismissing urban poverty as just desserts for their own bad acts. As quiet as it is kept, while the distribution of crack and other forms of cocaine is conducted in the inner cities, use is still more far-reaching than many like to believe.

The War on Drugs and Racialized Incarceration

The war on drugs intensified in response to media portrayals of frightening black gang members and irresponsible welfare mothers smoking crack while pregnant. These were the public faces of the crack cocaine epidemic, and in response to the fear and disgust generated, the sentencing guidelines became stricter for the crack form of cocaine while sentencing for powdered cocaine remained at pre-crack levels. Budget allocations for the war on drugs were 50% more for incarceration and punishment than for treatment or prevention, and the war on the growth industry of the 1980s inner cities became a very profitable growth industry in itself.

Michelle Alexander explained the racial motivation of the Reagan Revolution regarding the administrations’ focus in the “War on Drugs:”

President Ronald Reagan officially declared the current drug war in 1982, when drug crime was declining, not rising. From the outset, the war had little to do with drug crime and nearly everything to do with racial politics. The drug war was part of a grand and highly successful Republican Party strategy of using racially coded political appeals on issues of crime and welfare to attract poor and working class white voters who were resentful of, and threatened by, desegregation, busing, and affirmative action.

Alexander went on to assess how successful in re-segregating and disenfranchising the black population these policies were.

• More black people are in prison or parole today than were slaves in 1850.
• “Felon disenfranchisement laws” effectively and legally evade the Fifteenth Amendment.
• Coupled with the label of “felons for life,” these laws also permit discrimination in housing, employment, education, and deny participation in the political and justice systems that decide the fates of those so branded, and the fate of their children.
• Because of the enormously high rate of imprisonment of black fathers, and increasingly of mothers, a black child today is less likely to live with both parents than they would have during slavery.

Tony Whitehead wrote about the “incarceration epidemic” in Marion Barry, the Incarceration Epidemic, and the Prison-to-Community Cultural Continuum in Washington, DC, and noted that at 6% of the US population, black males make up 70% of the population in prison or on parole, and that this has occurred even as crime rates have “steadily declined since the late 1990s.” Whitehead also noted that while consequences for individuals are well documented, less has been written about the consequences to the communities they are taken from and recycled back into, their families, or particularly their children.

The Smallest Victims

Andrea Victoria Martinez argued that the federal sentencing guidelines adopted in 1984 anticipated the removal of much bigger fish in the drug trade than the application of those guidelines have achieved. Martinez went on to note that the “true victims” of the “War on Drugs” have been the very people the government ostensibly went to war to protect, and that to avoid compounding those errors, there must be a policy shift away from crime and punishment towards treatment and prevention.

Instead of “kingpins,” the largest demographic imprisoned by the federal government have been “street-level dealers and couriers,” or the “single impoverished mothers in relationships or working for the targeted kingpins that are filling the prisons for drug offenses. It is the children of these all too often imprisoned mothers that eventually enter the criminal system themselves” The smallest victims of the federal governments systemic failure to apply the drug laws without prejudice are abandoned to a punishing and impersonal child welfare system that too often separates siblings at a time when they just experienced severance from their parents. The trauma caused by the upheavals and dislocations in these children’s lives are causative of their future contact with the penal system.

Because the “Adoption and Safe Families Act of 1977” mandated the states to “initiate the termination of parental rights proceedings” in the cases of children in placement for 15 of 22 months, mandatory drug sentencing guidelines too often serve to permanently rip children from their families. As a result of the racialized nature of the targeted arrests and sentencing in poor communities, loving and perfectly stable family members can be disqualified from keeping a child within the family by offering their home as refuge. This disqualification can be based on any minor criminal offense, “such as resisting arrest, or drug related offenses as much as five to ten years old.”

While the motivation of erring on the side of caution can be appreciated, the best interests of the children are not served by separating them from their family, and too often an allowed consideration becomes a mandatory requirement to prevent the reunification of family ties. This has grave consequences for children ripped from their parents, from their siblings, and finally from any sense of family or community care. What must these children think of a society that treats them so carelessly? How should they feel about such a society?

Bradley Schiller, in The Economics of Poverty and Discrimination noted that there is less resentment in a society that believes the system is fair, but when society perceives that winners win by creating losers and preventing mobility and participation in the political process through predatory practices in a rigged system, the clash between economic classes becomes much more relevant. The ‘War on Drugs” and the problems caused by the racialized application of the laws created just such a rigged system. The biggest “kingpins” responsible for flooding America’s streets with cocaine worked in or closely with our own federal government. While investigated and found guilty, not one was ever convicted. That is a stunning miscarriage of justice in itself, but when we consider who has born the ultimate burdens of the results of that crime, and the casual malice of the “War on Drugs,” it becomes a national disgrace.
 
Why doesn't a moderator either lock this thread or move it? It's troll-haven up in here!

Because it's a subject worthy of discussion, trolls or not, and the mods here are pretty cool with letting things take their natural course.
 
Why doesn't a moderator either lock this thread or move it? It's troll-haven up in here!

Ozmar, you've been here WHAT, maybe five minutes? Maybe you'd like to hang out for a few minutes more before offering administrative advice to our mods, and maybe you'd be better off doing that in the proper forum.
 
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