Are All Black Americans Racist?

I grew up in the deep south in the late 50s up and until segregation. Believe me, during that era there were NO OPENLY black racists around here. Seeing what I saw changes you. We were raised right, to treat everyone with respect and as equals.
Racism is believing that your race is superior to another and can be acted upon with discrimination. If you could have seen some of the clowns we had when I grew up and their horrible treatment of blacks it would not make you think it was racism. It was terror.
One has to distinguish between whether one practices racism or one believes in racism. There is a distinct difference. Everyone has the right to think and speak as a racist but no one has the right to practice racism.
Actions, not thoughts and speech, make the racist. All others are merey clowns like the red necks we had to deal with in the late 50s and 60s.
You are right...what those racist whites did for 100s of years to blacks without cease was straight up terrorism.

The burning crosses in the yard.
The shooting up of your house.
The random beatings...anywhere.
The lynchings.

It was terror...all under the word "******", then you have whites acting foolishly clueless wondering why they aren't "allowed" to use the word.

They live in a bubble. A fantasy world bubble.

"Remember The Titans" sums up what I went through. That movie is great and sports is what turned around a lot of those kids in the 1960s.
I saw it, lived it and we all sweat together working hard. Had some great teams also!
The only crieteria was "Can he play" and man, we loved that. That equalizer did away with the ****** this and the ****** that as well as the "he ain't playing me 'cause I am black" crap. I loved it when the black players got the respect they earned and deserved and when other blacks came and told the whiners to shut their mouths when the "I ain't playing" crap was being said. Football, the great equalizer!
I still see that today in youth ball where I coached for 20 years.
My perception has been that black racists are angrier than the past white racists of my time.
Racism is about insecurity be they black or white.
 
DiveCon, I hope that's not the only thing you took from my post.

"******."

Quite frankly, the way blacks use it today is not the same word at all.

But thats a whole other thread. You be on the safe side, and refrain from using it...its the wise thing to do.
i DONT use it
i find words like that repugnant
 
Good- now we're cooking with gas.:)

What's most frustrating is your use of words, you post as if its blacks that go around with a chip on their shoulder, moreover, a chip on their shoulder for no reason. Both of which are patently false. Even if blacks were to all walk around with a chip on their shoulder, there would be a reason for it...historically.

Okay. My use of words is expressed because of my own understanding and I am honest about my perceptions. History is important to understand and acknowledge, but it should be appreciated for it's use in determining the best course of action now and for the future. I don't know if all blacks walk around with a chip on their shoulder. I do know that they don't appear to feel like they are treated equally, and I don't know what else needs to be done to remedy the situation. My black friends don't seem to have a chip on their shoulder, but maybe they just don't feel comfortable enough with me to say anything.:confused:

"A people without the knowledge of their past history, origin and culture is like a tree without roots. "
- Marcus Garvey

I agree. I know my personal history well. It's documented and it's meaingful to me personally. What do you propose would help people in the black community, who don't have knowledge of their history, origin, and original culture cope with the inability to retrieve that information? Or are you referring to their culture and origin here after their ancestors were brought to America? Not sure what you are referring to.:confused:

01. Teach the full American history in schools. Most don't have a clue of the true race relations and slavery who've been through the American education system. Usually only people who major in "American History" and "Black American History" specifically know the facts about American history as far as this issue is concerned. That's a travesty...Why is this the case? There seems to be an institutionalized reason for it.

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For the bolded portion, based on what?

02. Acknowledge the past. Whites tend to want to ignore it. The ones who were the perps never did back then, and many act as if it should have been "gotten over" by now. None ever acknowledged the travesties anywhere in between. Many whites act as if racism doesn't exist any more so blacks have nothing to "complain" about. Simply because they are not relegated to the back of the buses anymore or are subjected to fire hoses and segregated bathrooms etc. Racism exists today, just in different forms...and its just as damaging if not worse. Acknowledge.

The past has been acknowledged ad nauseum, and in fact, we seem to dwell in it. Racism definitely exists, always did, and always will, in whites, blacks, yellows, reds, and every other member of the human color spectrum. If it is acknowledged, which it often is, what then?

See what caused the current situation. There are valid reasons why large swaths of blacks live in ghettos, come from broken homes, lack education, etc. It didn't just happen overnight.

In your opinion, what are the reasons for this? What would be your solutions?
 
DiveCon, I hope that's not the only thing you took from my post.

"******."

Quite frankly, the way blacks use it today is not the same word at all.

But thats a whole other thread. You be on the safe side, and refrain from using it...its the wise thing to do.

Only an undisciplined man allows words to bother them.
Who said that?
 
I grew up in the deep south in the late 50s up and until segregation. Believe me, during that era there were NO OPENLY black racists around here. Seeing what I saw changes you. We were raised right, to treat everyone with respect and as equals.
Racism is believing that your race is superior to another and can be acted upon with discrimination. If you could have seen some of the clowns we had when I grew up and their horrible treatment of blacks it would not make you think it was racism. It was terror.
One has to distinguish between whether one practices racism or one believes in racism. There is a distinct difference. Everyone has the right to think and speak as a racist but no one has the right to practice racism.
Actions, not thoughts and speech, make the racist. All others are merey clowns like the red necks we had to deal with in the late 50s and 60s.
You are right...what those racist whites did for 100s of years to blacks without cease was straight up terrorism.

The burning crosses in the yard.
The shooting up of your house.
The random beatings...anywhere.
The lynchings.

It was terror...all under the word "******", then you have whites acting foolishly clueless wondering why they aren't "allowed" to use the word.

They live in a bubble. A fantasy world bubble.

"Remember The Titans" sums up what I went through. That movie is great and sports is what turned around a lot of those kids in the 1960s.
I saw it, lived it and we all sweat together working hard. Had some great teams also!
The only crieteria was "Can he play" and man, we loved that. That equalizer did away with the ****** this and the ****** that as well as the "he ain't playing me 'cause I am black" crap. I loved it when the black players got the respect they earned and deserved and when other blacks came and told the whiners to shut their mouths when the "I ain't playing" crap was being said. Football, the great equalizer!
I still see that today in youth ball where I coached for 20 years.
My perception has been that black racists are angrier than the past white racists of my time.
Racism is about insecurity be they black or white.
i agree, great movie

and you are right about black racism, one doesn't have to be in a position of power to be racist
 
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The fact that many of you perceive "Black Liberation Theology" as racist indicates to me that you don't get it. You just. don't. get it.

I don't perceive it as racist, but I do perceive it as angry, based on what little exposure I've had. By this point in this thread, I'm asssuming that you are black? Am I correct? If so, please tell those of us who don't have the advantage of black perspective, just what is it that will mend the racial divide from your own perspective? We can't erase the history of slavery in America, and we can't make everyone the same. All we can do is provide an environment of equal rights, but we can't make someone feel equal when they don't perceive it themselves.
Note- I'm not being sarcastic, and I'm not trying to stir the pot of shit. I really want to know.
I never perceived your response as being sarcastic.

I'm black yes, I've actually posted my pic before, in response to some NeoCON poster talking smack. Anyway, I digress.

What's most frustrating is your use of words, you post as if its blacks that go around with a chip on their shoulder, moreover, a chip on their shoulder for no reason. Both of which are patently false. Even if blacks were to all walk around with a chip on their shoulder, there would be a reason for it...historically.

Anyway, the bolded is where you can start....History.

"A people without the knowledge of their past history, origin and culture is like a tree without roots. "
- Marcus Garvey

01. Teach the full American history in schools. Most don't have a clue of the true race relations and slavery who've been through the American education system. Usually only people who major in "American History" and "Black American History" specifically know the facts about American history as far as this issue is concerned. That's a travesty...Why is this the case? There seems to be an institutionalized reason for it.

02. Acknowledge the past. Whites tend to want to ignore it. The ones who were the perps never did back then, and many act as if it should have been "gotten over" by now. None ever acknowledged the travesties anywhere in between. Many whites act as if racism doesn't exist any more so blacks have nothing to "complain" about. Simply because they are not relegated to the back of the buses anymore or are subjected to fire hoses and segregated bathrooms etc. Racism exists today, just in different forms...and its just as damaging if not worse. Acknowledge it.

03. Listen. Do not judge, listen and learn. See what caused the current situation. There are valid reasons why large swaths of blacks live in ghettos, come from broken homes, lack education, etc. It didn't just happen overnight. Hint: It's not because they, as a race (or whatever) feel inferior.

Start with those 3 things and you will see a VAST difference in race relation in this country for the better.

What a crock of shit. You have the same amount of rights as any white man so get over that bullshit!

Speaking of history you need to brush up on the slave trade and it's history and while your at it research how many free blacks owned slaves.
 
I think a better post would be...Are All Black American Democrats Racist? Hmm?

I think it would be a far stupider post.

So what about black libertarians?

Black Socialists?

Black Greens?

Black Independents?

The idea that black democrats are more likely to be "racist" against whites than conservatives is a joke. One could argue if black conservatives aren't racist against white they could still be racist against... hispanics or asians.

Racism isn't a characteristic of any one party.

Amongst whites there are plenty of racist democrats and republicans. The same goes for all races within EACH party.

The fact that there are more black democrats then whites speaks more so to the fact that more blacks live in relatively urban areas, therefore the party which speaks to the urban demographic is more likely to recieve the most support from the black population.
 
I don't perceive it as racist, but I do perceive it as angry, based on what little exposure I've had. By this point in this thread, I'm asssuming that you are black? Am I correct? If so, please tell those of us who don't have the advantage of black perspective, just what is it that will mend the racial divide from your own perspective? We can't erase the history of slavery in America, and we can't make everyone the same. All we can do is provide an environment of equal rights, but we can't make someone feel equal when they don't perceive it themselves.
Note- I'm not being sarcastic, and I'm not trying to stir the pot of shit. I really want to know.
I never perceived your response as being sarcastic.

I'm black yes, I've actually posted my pic before, in response to some NeoCON poster talking smack. Anyway, I digress.

What's most frustrating is your use of words, you post as if its blacks that go around with a chip on their shoulder, moreover, a chip on their shoulder for no reason. Both of which are patently false. Even if blacks were to all walk around with a chip on their shoulder, there would be a reason for it...historically.

Anyway, the bolded is where you can start....History.

"A people without the knowledge of their past history, origin and culture is like a tree without roots. "
- Marcus Garvey

01. Teach the full American history in schools. Most don't have a clue of the true race relations and slavery who've been through the American education system. Usually only people who major in "American History" and "Black American History" specifically know the facts about American history as far as this issue is concerned. That's a travesty...Why is this the case? There seems to be an institutionalized reason for it.

02. Acknowledge the past. Whites tend to want to ignore it. The ones who were the perps never did back then, and many act as if it should have been "gotten over" by now. None ever acknowledged the travesties anywhere in between. Many whites act as if racism doesn't exist any more so blacks have nothing to "complain" about. Simply because they are not relegated to the back of the buses anymore or are subjected to fire hoses and segregated bathrooms etc. Racism exists today, just in different forms...and its just as damaging if not worse. Acknowledge it.

03. Listen. Do not judge, listen and learn. See what caused the current situation. There are valid reasons why large swaths of blacks live in ghettos, come from broken homes, lack education, etc. It didn't just happen overnight. Hint: It's not because they, as a race (or whatever) feel inferior.

Start with those 3 things and you will see a VAST difference in race relation in this country for the better.

What a crock of shit. You have the same amount of rights as any white man so get over that bullshit!

Speaking of history you need to brush up on the slave trade and it's history and while your at it research how many free blacks owned slaves.

That makes it A-otay.:cool:
 
Hey i'm just stating what many Americans believe. Personally most Black Democrats i've met have been pretty hostile & bigoted towards other races but especially towards whites. In contrast i've met some Conservative Black Republicans who were pretty cool and open-minded. Just going on personal experiences.
 
I never perceived your response as being sarcastic.

I'm black yes, I've actually posted my pic before, in response to some NeoCON poster talking smack. Anyway, I digress.

What's most frustrating is your use of words, you post as if its blacks that go around with a chip on their shoulder, moreover, a chip on their shoulder for no reason. Both of which are patently false. Even if blacks were to all walk around with a chip on their shoulder, there would be a reason for it...historically.

Anyway, the bolded is where you can start....History.

"A people without the knowledge of their past history, origin and culture is like a tree without roots. "
- Marcus Garvey

01. Teach the full American history in schools. Most don't have a clue of the true race relations and slavery who've been through the American education system. Usually only people who major in "American History" and "Black American History" specifically know the facts about American history as far as this issue is concerned. That's a travesty...Why is this the case? There seems to be an institutionalized reason for it.

02. Acknowledge the past. Whites tend to want to ignore it. The ones who were the perps never did back then, and many act as if it should have been "gotten over" by now. None ever acknowledged the travesties anywhere in between. Many whites act as if racism doesn't exist any more so blacks have nothing to "complain" about. Simply because they are not relegated to the back of the buses anymore or are subjected to fire hoses and segregated bathrooms etc. Racism exists today, just in different forms...and its just as damaging if not worse. Acknowledge it.

03. Listen. Do not judge, listen and learn. See what caused the current situation. There are valid reasons why large swaths of blacks live in ghettos, come from broken homes, lack education, etc. It didn't just happen overnight. Hint: It's not because they, as a race (or whatever) feel inferior.

Start with those 3 things and you will see a VAST difference in race relation in this country for the better.

What a crock of shit. You have the same amount of rights as any white man so get over that bullshit!

Speaking of history you need to brush up on the slave trade and it's history and while your at it research how many free blacks owned slaves.

That makes it A-otay.:cool:

Did I say it did? No. But if one truly wants to understand slavery they must go pretty far back in history.
 
find a single post of mine where i support Obama or that i voted for him
i'm just not a racist like you are

Depends on how you define a racist. One who acknowledges the existence of hundreds even maybe a thousand GREAT AMERICAN NEGROES.....and is willing to instantaneously vote in Prof Thomas Sowell as POTUS ...may not be a racist, to some.

However, to an Obamarrhoidal LIEberrhoid (who, disengenously, claims he isn't one) like you.....it's obvious he is.
so, everything in your world must be binary
if i dont support the racist crap you spew
i must support Obama:cuckoo:

First, I am not "spewing racist crap".

Second, your vehemence in attacking what is patently not racist categorizes you as being either an Obamarrhoidal LIEberrhoid, a Black Racist....or, both.

Third, ALL the posts I have seen from you.....are ONE SIDEDLY pro Obamarrhoidal LIEberrhoid.

Conclusion: You are a ******* Obamarrhoidal LIEberrhoid and you are an OBVIOUS ******* Phoney.

Further discussion on this topic will be ignored.
 
Personally most Black Democrats i've met have been pretty hostile & bigoted towards other races but especially towards whites. In contrast i've met some Conservative Black Republicans who were pretty cool and open-minded. Just going on personal experiences.

I've seen both to be the case. What's interesting to me personally is that many of my black friends are African 1st-generation immigrants, and they have no hatred for whites when they come here, nor after they have been here for years. They are perfectly comfortable in their own skin.
 
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Good- now we're cooking with gas.:)
I'll say.

What's most frustrating is your use of words, you post as if its blacks that go around with a chip on their shoulder, moreover, a chip on their shoulder for no reason. Both of which are patently false. Even if blacks were to all walk around with a chip on their shoulder, there would be a reason for it...historically.

Okay. My use of words is expressed because of my own understanding and I am honest about my perceptions. History is important to understand and acknowledge, but it should be appreciated for it's use in determining the best course of action now and for the future. I don't know if all blacks walk around with a chip on their shoulder. I do know that they don't appear to feel like they are treated equally, and I don't know what else needs to be done to remedy the situation. My black friends don't seem to have a chip on their shoulder, but maybe they just don't feel comfortable enough with me to say anything.:confused:
Could very well be they don't feel comfortable with you when it comes to such subjects. There's a third rail between "races" that most almost NEVER touch when together.

"A people without the knowledge of their past history, origin and culture is like a tree without roots. "
- Marcus Garvey

I agree. I know my personal history well. It's documented and it's meaingful to me personally. What do you propose would help people in the black community, who don't have knowledge of their history, origin, and original culture cope with the inability to retrieve that information? Or are you referring to their culture and origin here after their ancestors were brought to America? Not sure what you are referring to.:confused:
You said some key things there. You know your history well. Its a great source of pride, I'm sure, for you as well. Black Americans don't have this. Do you see why "Black History Month" needs to be in existence? Its not because we feel we need to have a special month or we're above anyone else...its because there's absolutely NO EDUCATION on such topics in any level of American education. So how are blacks (children) supposed to find out the MANY and VAST contributions their ancestors have given to this country and the world?



For the bolded portion, based on what?
American history. See "Eyes On The Prize" and/or "Roots: The Saga of An American Family" for reference.

02. Acknowledge the past. Whites tend to want to ignore it. The ones who were the perps never did back then, and many act as if it should have been "gotten over" by now. None ever acknowledged the travesties anywhere in between. Many whites act as if racism doesn't exist any more so blacks have nothing to "complain" about. Simply because they are not relegated to the back of the buses anymore or are subjected to fire hoses and segregated bathrooms etc. Racism exists today, just in different forms...and its just as damaging if not worse. Acknowledge.

The past has been acknowledged ad nauseum, and in fact, we seem to dwell in it. Racism definitely exists, always did, and always will, in whites, blacks, yellows, reds, and every other member of the human color spectrum. If it is acknowledged, which it often is, what then?
Interesting choice of phrase "ad nausuem", sounds like you've had it up to here with it. Quite telling. Meanwhile from our perspective its not enough. I'd like you to list how you find it to be acknowledged to death thus far.

See what caused the current situation. There are valid reasons why large swaths of blacks live in ghettos, come from broken homes, lack education, etc. It didn't just happen overnight.

In your opinion, what are the reasons for this? What would be your solutions?
What happened after the Civil Rights Movement to blacks when they were all united, all believed in the family and all were "on the same page?" Crack-Cocaine? Do you know how that came about? The war the government waged against The Black Panther Party, which was a community organization intended to further strengthen black families by educating themselves and strengthening their communities. The administration at the time considered them a threat and waged an open war against them. Infiltrating them and sabotaging them, etc. And in the end unleashed the deadly drug upon their communities in a final successful attempt to crush them out of existence. It was all downhill from there. You can Google all this.

Only an undisciplined man allows words to bother them.
Who said that?
I dunno...who?
 
No, it won't, because it requires no change from blacks.
Another blanket statement.

What change?

Expound...

If I may:

He is alluding to the missing exortation for blacks to change the status quo you described; "large swaths of blacks live in ghettos, come from broken homes, lack education, etc."


While I agree "It didn't just happen overnight. It's not because they, as a race (or whatever) feel inferior," I also don't believe they cannot improve their lot, themselves.

Frankly, I believe the change that is needed is for Black Civil Rights Leaders to turn inward to their own communities and foster an appreciation for education, personal responsibility, and respect. Instead, we see them all-to-often lobbing for additional funding for projects that don't have any effect.

Now that I write this, I'm struck with the similarities between this thread and conversations with Kalam about Islamist: If Islamists would demonstrate a concentrated, sustained effort to police themselves, then others would be much more sympathetic.
 
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Depends on how you define a racist. One who acknowledges the existence of hundreds even maybe a thousand GREAT AMERICAN NEGROES.....and is willing to instantaneously vote in Prof Thomas Sowell as POTUS ...may not be a racist, to some.

However, to an Obamarrhoidal LIEberrhoid (who, disengenously, claims he isn't one) like you.....it's obvious he is.
so, everything in your world must be binary
if i dont support the racist crap you spew
i must support Obama:cuckoo:

First, I am not "spewing racist crap".

Second, your vehemence in attacking what is patently not racist categorizes you as being either an Obamarrhoidal LIEberrhoid, a Black Racist....or, both.

Third, ALL the posts I have seen from you.....are ONE SIDEDLY pro Obamarrhoidal LIEberrhoid.

Conclusion: You are a ******* Obamarrhoidal LIEberrhoid and you are an OBVIOUS ******* Phoney.

Further discussion on this topic will be ignored.
WOW

now i'm black

LOL

you post claims of things yet you offer ZERO proof or sources to back up those supposed facts
 
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Personally most Black Democrats i've met have been pretty hostile & bigoted towards other races but especially towards whites. In contrast i've met some Conservative Black Republicans who were pretty cool and open-minded. Just going on personal experiences.

I've seen both to be the case. What's interesting to me personally is that many of my black friends are African 1st-generation immigrants, and they have no hatred for whites when they come here, nor after they have been here for years.
I'll tell you why.

Its a different experience.

That's why.

I can speak quite knowledgeably about this, because I'm not African American. I'm black, but from the Caribbean, but have been here for years now.

I USED to NOT be able to see why or how African Americans felt the way they did. However, the more I learned and the more I lived and the more I observed, the more I understood why.

There were things that happened to me when I first came here that I didn't understand or recognize to be racist, that I took with a smile in my young 15-year old mind, that in hindsight I recognize as straight up racism. However, the other blacks with more knowledge and/or experience, and all the African Americans...DID recognize it to be racist. True story.

Did you know that there are tensions between African Americans, Africans, Caribbeans, other blacks? Its usually African Americans vs. Caribbeans, or African Americans vs. Africans. In places where there are large population of Caribbeans and/or Africans you see this to be true. Namely New York City, where I lived for about a good decade. However, that whole thing is another thread.

The American Experience is no joke.

Shows like "Roots" and "Eyes On The Prize" will get you up to speed on the matter.
 
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I think a better post would be...Are All Black American Democrats Racist? Hmm?

Probably a better post.

But the "ALL" in any categorization of human beings is ridiculous.

A helluva lot more accurate way is to use "most", etc....then try to get their OPINION on a % estimate, or some survey's conclusion.
 
No, it won't, because it requires no change from blacks.
Another blanket statement.

What change?

Expound...

If I may:

He is alluding to the missing exortation for blacks to change the status quo you described; "large swaths of blacks live in ghettos, come from broken homes, lack education, etc."


While I agree "It didn't just happen overnight. It's not because they, as a race (or whatever) feel inferior," I also don't believe they cannot improve their lot, themselves.

Frankly, I believe the change that is needed is for Black Civil Rights Leaders to turn inward to their own communities and foster an appreciation for education, personal responsibility, and respect. Instead, we see them all-to-often lobbing for additional funding for projects that don't have any effect.

Now that I write this, I'm struck with the similarities between this thread and conversations with Kalam about Islamist: If Islamists would demonstrate a concentrated, sustained effort to police themselves, then others would be much more sympathetic.
I agree. At no time do you see me state or suggest that blacks either feel inferior, are inferior or cannot overcome their circumstances. However, I believe most whites perceive that's whats being said or suggested.

Isn't that interesting?
 
Good- now we're cooking with gas.:)
I'll say.

What's most frustrating is your use of words, you post as if its blacks that go around with a chip on their shoulder, moreover, a chip on their shoulder for no reason. Both of which are patently false. Even if blacks were to all walk around with a chip on their shoulder, there would be a reason for it...historically.

Could very well be they don't feel comfortable with you when it comes to such subjects. There's a third rail between "races" that most almost NEVER touch when together.



You said some key things there. You know your history well. Its a great source of pride, I'm sure, for you as well. Black Americans don't have this. Do you see why "Black History Month" needs to be in existence? Its not because we feel we need to have a special month or we're above anyone else...its because there's absolutely NO EDUCATION on such topics in any level of American education. So how are blacks (children) supposed to find out the MANY and VAST contributions their ancestors have given to this country and the world?



American history. See "Eyes On The Prize" and/or "Roots: The Saga of An American Family" for reference.



Interesting choice of phrase "ad nausuem", sounds like you've had it up to here with it. Quite telling. Meanwhile from our perspective its not enough. I'd like you to list how you find it to be acknowledged to death thus far.



In your opinion, what are the reasons for this? What would be your solutions?
What happened after the Civil Rights Movement to blacks when they were all united, all believed in the family and all were "on the same page?" Crack-Cocaine? Do you know how that came about? The war the government waged against The Black Panther Party, which was a community organization intended to further strengthen black families by educating themselves and strengthening their communities. The administration at the time considered them a threat and waged an open war against them. Infiltrating them and sabotaging them, etc. And in the end unleashed the deadly drug upon their communities in a final successful attempt to crush them out of existence. It was all downhill from there. You can Google all this.

Only an undisciplined man allows words to bother them.
Who said that?
I dunno...who?

Where do you get your fucked up information at? Crack cocaine didn't hit the inner-city hoods until the mid 80's. The black panther party reign was late 60's to mid 70's. Poor blacks couldn't afford the real shit.
 
Accusations are now about to fly. This thread will now deteriorate rapidly. So i will just give my own personal opinion and experience and then i'm bailing. I do think many if not most Black American Democrats are racist. However I think most Black American Conservatives/Republicans are not racist. That's just how i see it. Have a nice day.
 
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