Archaeologists find 3,100-year-old pottery bearing the name of biblical judge

[surada]

The

As for the Exodus, try watching this movie called Patterns of Evidence

Patterns of Evidence - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

They have found dwellings of a Semitic people, only, they assume the time line is wrong so they discount it.

Jews emerged from North Coast Canaanites.

As for the Exodus, try watching this movie called Patterns of Evidence

Patterns of Evidence - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

They have found dwellings of a Semitic people, only, they assume the time line is wrong so they discount it.

Every body was semites.

 

[Votto]

The
Jews emerged from North Coast Canaanites.
Every body was semites.

What exactly is your point?

 

[surada]

What exactly is your point?

Evidence for semitic people is lame. Every one in the region spoke Arabic or Hebrew or Aramaic or Syriac.

 

[Votto]

Evidence for semitic people is lame. Every one in the region spoke Arabic or Hebrew or Aramaic or Syriac.

There is other evidence pointing to Biblical characters in Egypt as well it you bother to check out the movie or link.

Assuming you actually are after the truth as very few here seem to be.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Evidence for semitic people is lame. Every one in the region spoke Arabic or Hebrew or Aramaic or Syriac.

Your source being what? A Facebook post?

 

[Mushroom]

Most of history is lost to us. This is due to things such as illiteracy, the inability to record events if you were literate, and the loss of events that were lucky enough to get recorded.

Naturally. Modern humans have been around for over 100,000 years. But the written word only goes back around 5,000 years.

To make a rough estimate, if all of human history was to be compressed into a single year, writing would appear in late December. Now some of the "records" will reach beyond that, even into late November. But only as oral folklore that was later written down as legend.

 

[surada]

Your source being what? A Facebook post?

I have never done Facebook.

Your source being what? A Facebook post?

You will recognize the names of these Canaanite tribes. The Canaanites

 

[Mushroom]

Evidence for semitic people is lame. Every one in the region spoke Arabic or Hebrew or Aramaic or Syriac.

When are you talking about?

If you are talking about Ancient Israel and the surrounding areas, you are very wrong.

Even "Old Arabic" did not evolve until the first century CE. That is what arose to replace Aramaic after the region was broken up after multiple invasions, then solidified during the rise of Islam.

Aramaic evolved in around 1,000 BCE. It was the predominant commonly spoken language in the "Middle East" for over1,000 years, replacing Hebrew in the region. It is even older than Hebrew, but became dominant when the Arameans conquered the region.

Hebrew dates back to around 1,800 BCE, but largely fell out of use other than as a "Temple Language" by around 400 BCE. Replaced by Aramaic.

But all three languages are "Semitic", as all descended from the Canaanite Language.

 

[hjmick]

You want to expound on your drivel, or should we just guess?
It was found at an excavation site, so they kind of have an idea how old it was.

While I would not presume to speak for Moonglow, hell, I'm not even sure what language he is speaking sometimes, I think his point may have been along the lines of...

There is a lot of historical fiction written, that doesn't mean everything in those tomes is true.

 

[surada]

When are you talking about?

If you are talking about Ancient Israel and the surrounding areas, you are very wrong.

Even "Old Arabic" did not evolve until the first century CE. That is what arose to replace Aramaic after the region was broken up after multiple invasions, then solidified during the rise of Islam.

Aramaic evolved in around 1,000 BCE. It was the predominant commonly spoken language in the "Middle East" for over1,000 years, replacing Hebrew in the region. It is even older than Hebrew, but became dominant when the Arameans conquered the region.

Hebrew dates back to around 1,800 BCE, but largely fell out of use other than as a "Temple Language" by around 400 BCE. Replaced by Aramaic.

But all three languages are "Semitic", as all descended from the Canaanite Language.

What is Ugarit?

 

[surada]

Which Temple? First or second?

First temple.

 

[Mushroom]

There's no evidence for a global flood or the Tower of Babel or the Exodus or Joshua's battles.

Actually, there is.

You have to for the first eliminate the concept of "Global Flood" covering "all of Earth", and narrow it down to the world-view of those that recorded it. In the mind of an Indian living on the banks of the Mississippi in Louisiana, a flood that covered everything south of the modern Arkansas-Tennessee would be "global". To an ancient person who predates even the Babylonian Empire, a floor that covered the entire area around the Tigris and Euphrates would equally be "global".

And most who do believe in the Bible and other religions are not "literalists", who take every single word as written by people thousands of years ago as the literal truth.

As for Babel, like the story of Moses, that was adopted by the Hebrews during the Exile. But the accounts predate the written word, and naturally morphed greatly in the eons before it was written.

As far as an Exodus, that did happen. But not the way it is told. Even Josephus and other Historians of the First Century CE realized that the ancient Israelites who left Egypt were who we now recognize as the Hyksos. Who were not slaves, but took over part of Egypt until they were expelled (roughly 1600-1500 BCE). And in that era, many Pharaohs and high ranking officials has "Mose" in their name. Ahmose, Kamose, Ramose, and more. But the comparison between the Hyksos and "Israelites" is striking, not only in where they came from and went to after the Egyptians threw them out, but even their dress and behaviors.

More now are recognizing that much of Exodus was slanted in the folktales passed for over a thousand years before they were finally written down. So instead of invaders who were thrown out, they morphed into slaves that were delivered by God. And at one point they were granted lands and rulership over Eastern Egypt, which is where the "Brother of the Pharaoh" came from. Even more so in that era, most Monarchs referred to each other as "Brothers".

But when looking at The Bible, you have to realize first and foremost it is the written record of their history. And was a spoken tradition for well over a thousand years prior to being written down. This is obvious in how often certain numbers are repeated, that is typical of any oral tradition. Without writing, an oral historian would not bother with the 13 years between the end of the French and Indian Wars and the American Revolution, it would be shortened to "a decade". And not "Four score and seven years", but "half a century". The numbers 40 and 7 in regards to years between events (or even days) repeats all the time in the Old Testament. A holdover from when it was oral history before being written down.

In the Hebrew Culture, "40" is seen s a significant amount of time, be it 40 days (duration of the flood), to 40 years (how long the Israelites wandered in the desert). That should never be taken literally, it was simply how those that remembered oral tradition remembered things. All oral traditions around the world use similar tricks.

But if you want a good idea of what may have happened in "The Real Exodus", here is a good documentary from 2005. Which tries to cut through the "Religious nonsense", and compare real world events in roughly the same time period and tie the folklore into what was likely real history of the era.

 

[Mushroom]

What is Ugarit?

Semitic. Specifically Northwest Semitic, related to the Amorite.

 

[surada]

Actually, there is.

You have to for the first eliminate the concept of "Global Flood" covering "all of Earth", and narrow it down to the world-view of those that recorded it. In the mind of an Indian living on the banks of the Mississippi in Louisiana, a flood that covered everything sough of the modern Arkansas-Tennessee would be "global". To an ancient person who predates even the Babylonian Empire, a floor that covered the entire area around the Tigris and Euphrates would equally be "global".

And most who do believe in the Bible and other religions are not "literalists", who take every single word as written by people thousands of years ago as the literal truth.

As for Babel, like the story of Moses, that was adopted by the Hebrews during the Exile. But the accounts predate the written word, and naturally morphed greatly in the eons before it was written.

As far as an Exodus, that did happen. But not the way it is told. Even Josephus and other Historians of the First Century CE realized that the ancient Israelites who left Egypt were who we now recognize as the Hyksos. Who were not slaves, but took over part of Egypt until they were expelled (roughly 1600-1500 BCE). And in that era, many Pharaohs and high ranking officials has "Mose" in their name. Ahmose, Kamose, Ramose, and more. But the comparison between the Hyksos and "Israelites" is striking, not only in where they came from and went to after the Egyptians threw them out, but even their dress and behaviors.

More now are recognizing that much of Exodus was slanted in the folktales passed for over a thousand years before they were finally written down. So instead of invaders who were thrown out, they morphed into slaves that were delivered by God. And at one point they were granted lands and rulership over Eastern Egypt, which is where the "Brother of the Pharaoh" came from. Even more so in that era, most Monarchs referred to each other as "Brothers".

But when looking at The Bible, you have to realize first and foremost it is the written record of their history. And was a spoken tradition for well over a thousand years prior to being written down. This is obvious in how often certain numbers are repeated, that is typical of any oral tradition. Without writing, an oral historian would not bother with the 13 years between the end of the French and Indian Wars and the American Revolution, it would be shortened to "a decade". And not "Four score and seven years", but "half a century". The numbers 40 and 7 in regards to years between events (or even days) repeats all the time in the Old Testament. A holdover from when it was oral history before being written down.

In the Hebrew Culture, "40" is seen s a significant amount of time, be it 40 days (duration of the flood), to 40 years (how long the Israelites wandered in the desert). That should never be taken literally, it was simply how those that remembered oral tradition remembered things. All oral traditions around the world use similar tricks.

But if you want a good idea of what may have happened in "The Real Exodus", here is a good documentary from 2005. Which tries to cut through the "Religious nonsense", and compare real world events in roughly the same time period and tie the folklore into what was likely real history of the era.

Yes. That's what I've been saying all along.

 

[surada]

Semitic. Specifically Northwest Semitic, related to the Amorite.

On this board they don't seem to think that there were many Canaanite tribes. The Canaanites

 

[Mushroom]

On this board they don't seem to think that there were many Canaanite tribes. The Canaanites

You have to realize, I tend to strip away the centuries-eons of what is laid on top of history, and try to reach the reality.

And in this area, it comes up against a long held fascination of mine, human migration.

All of the "Barbarians" that flooded into Rome were part of an event that lasted for over 5,000 years. Of one tribe pushing against another, causing them to move (in this case normally West). Rome faces wave after wave of "Barbarians", all from Central Asia, that we now know of as the French, Germans, Spanish, etc.

In North America, we can see it much more recently, when you look at what was happening at around the time that Columbus landed. That was at about the time of the final implosion of the Mississippian Culture, and as that happened tribes started fleeing in all directions. Even if it was the opposite direction of where they came when they first Joined that culture. That is why you find groups like the Lakota who originated in the Lower Mississippi region (Louisiana) way out in the Dakotas by the time the area was settled by "White Man" in the 19th century. When that culture imploded, what remained scattered all over the place, and even my distant ancestors (Potawatomie) moved South into some of the area, from their original area of the Michigan-Canada region.

I never accept what comes down from such ancient sources as "literal truth", but as what was remembered from oral tradition. Even the pre-history of the Potawatomi can be seen in the legends, as they are part of the Anishinaabe.

Three related tribes, all with a largely common language. The Ojibwe are commonly referred to as the "Older Brother", the Odawa as the "Middle Brother", the Potawatomi as the "Younger Brother". Ojibwe are "the keepers of the faith", Odawa are the "keepers of trade", Potawatomi are the "keepers of the hearth/fire". And I have long suspected that this is a literal truth, as the foundations were likely among a single tribe, that broke up for some reason (too large or internal conflict), and that is what was passed down to those that came afterwards.

If North America had remained isolated for another thousand years, that history would likely have morphed in a similar way. Unlike many, I often look for things that are common among many cultures. And am fascinated that in a great many spread over many continents and eons, there are so many similarities. Likely because they originated from even older legends and myths.

 

[Colin norris]

Israel is an archeologists playground. Ignored for thousands of years it’s filled with artifacts going back to the beginning of civilization. And every find ends up further validating the Bible.

Excavations at a site in the Judean lowlands has turned up a 3000-year-old pottery shard with the name Jerrubaal - the name Judge Gideon was given by his father - which means literally, "contender with Baal."

Archaeologists find 3,100-year-old pottery bearing the name of biblical judge

A name from the Book of Judges has been discovered on ancient pottery for the first time, and it suggests authenticity of the scriptures.

aleteia.org

Couple of things here.
If you think that piece of pot has been doctored to include that perfectly preserved wording which identically matches some Biblical bullshit, you are an idiot.
It doesn't even look like some that would be written in plain English at the time. Possibly be by a crayon or similar. Get a grip on yourself.

Those artefacts do not go back to anything related or before civilisation moved from the rift Valley about 60000 years ago.

As for them being directly linked to the bible, stop it. My sides are aching with laughter. Check the dates you buffoon. 60000 years before the bible was written????
Youre desperate to gain relevance.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Couple of things here.
If you think that piece of pot has been doctored to include that perfectly preserved wording which identically matches some Biblical bullshit, you are an idiot.
It doesn't even look like some that would be written in plain English at the time. Possibly be by a crayon or similar. Get a grip on yourself.

Those artefacts do not go back to anything related or before civilisation moved from the rift Valley about 60000 years ago.

As for them being directly linked to the bible, stop it. My sides are aching with laughter. Check the dates you buffoon. 60000 years before the bible was written????
Youre desperate to gain relevance.

Oh look! Someone got his skirt in the breeze and feels threatened by facts!

 

[Mushroom]

Oh look! Someone got his skirt in the breeze and feels threatened by facts!

I find it hilarious he claims it was written in English, when it was not. Then screaming something about 60kya, when that was never said in the reference, or the post.

As typical, just another loony rant with no connection to anything.

 

[surada]

You have to realize, I tend to strip away the centuries-eons of what is laid on top of history, and try to reach the reality.

And in this area, it comes up against a long held fascination of mine, human migration.

All of the "Barbarians" that flooded into Rome were part of an event that lasted for over 5,000 years. Of one tribe pushing against another, causing them to move (in this case normally West). Rome faces wave after wave of "Barbarians", all from Central Asia, that we now know of as the French, Germans, Spanish, etc.

In North America, we can see it much more recently, when you look at what was happening at around the time that Columbus landed. That was at about the time of the final implosion of the Mississippian Culture, and as that happened tribes started fleeing in all directions. Even if it was the opposite direction of where they came when they first Joined that culture. That is why you find groups like the Lakota who originated in the Lower Mississippi region (Louisiana) way out in the Dakotas by the time the area was settled by "White Man" in the 19th century. When that culture imploded, what remained scattered all over the place, and even my distant ancestors (Potawatomie) moved South into some of the area, from their original area of the Michigan-Canada region.

I never accept what comes down from such ancient sources as "literal truth", but as what was remembered from oral tradition. Even the pre-history of the Potawatomi can be seen in the legends, as they are part of the Anishinaabe.

Three related tribes, all with a largely common language. The Ojibwe are commonly referred to as the "Older Brother", the Odawa as the "Middle Brother", the Potawatomi as the "Younger Brother". Ojibwe are "the keepers of the faith", Odawa are the "keepers of trade", Potawatomi are the "keepers of the hearth/fire". And I have long suspected that this is a literal truth, as the foundations were likely among a single tribe, that broke up for some reason (too large or internal conflict), and that is what was passed down to those that came afterwards.

If North America had remained isolated for another thousand years, that history would likely have morphed in a similar way. Unlike many, I often look for things that are common among many cultures. And am fascinated that in a great many spread over many continents and eons, there are so many similarities. Likely because they originated from even older legends and myths.

I never thought of French, Spaniards and Germans as being from Central Asia. Your claim is pretty weird. My link is about the various Canaanite tribes. We know they were still there because of the encounter Jesus had with the Canaanite woman in Matthew 15 : 21-28.